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SaorAlba
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.18 15:23:00 -
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Guys get over it. We have. Learn you lessons. We do. Our moral has risen over this. Join in. lets all beat the crap out this bunch of cheaters. How can anybody be proud of being in Bod? How can you be proud supporting them in anyway? Together we can end this. Fly your corp up and roam around in there space. Hunt them and there minions down like the dogs they are. Don't stand aside.
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USN CVN72
Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.02.18 15:30:00 -
[152]
Originally by: SaorAlba Guys get over it. We have. Learn you lessons. We do. Our moral has risen over this. Join in. lets all beat the crap out this bunch of cheaters. How can anybody be proud of being in Bod? How can you be proud supporting them in anyway? Together we can end this. Fly your corp up and roam around in there space. Hunt them and there minions down like the dogs they are. Don't stand aside.
I AGREE 100% lets get back to fighting in-game and let ccp handle the other issues...
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Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.02.18 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Avernus
Me personally, no, but that is simply a personal choice, and I tend to hold FIX to my personal choices for better or worse. I also don't expect others to play Eve the way I play it.
Before you ask why we would align ourselves to someone that would use mechanics to their advantage, I'll give you the answer (because I imagine that is actually what is on your mind and where this is leading); simply put, mechanics and playstyle are not the only thing by which I judge other people/alliances. The reasons why FIX is friends and allies with BoB are many and well documented.
Thankyou for the honest answer. Actually I wanted to know your take on the matter from a personal point of view and there was no ulterior motive to my question, other than to find out whether it would be something you would authorise.
For the record; and I have given this substantial thought whilst I waited for you to respond, had I been in a position to authorise such an operation I would have had to weigh up very heavily how badly that Titan needed to die.
I would have been very tempted to give the operation the green light if the future of my alliance depended on it and I mean absolutely depended on it.
However, in doing so I would realise that taking such a step would be helping to take the game towards a pretty dark place, where fun is no longer the objective.
... and then probably after much deliberation.. would have decided that if thats what it takes to win... I wouldn't want to.
Ofc this is all highly subjective....and as far as I can tell no exploits were involved... and thats what matters right? ......
Personally I have to admit that before BoB did this, I wouldn't have authorized this type pf move.
However, now, today, I wouldn't hesitate. Fight fire with fire.
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Scius
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.02.18 16:59:00 -
[154]
legit kill, i spose we could get ccp to put a window up as you log out ' you are about to log off with agression are you stupid' press 'Yes'
To many ' i have morals' bs, they never exploited they never twisted the games mechanics, if your agressed and log you stay in space, simple.
Standard practice to scan out logged of pilots.
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Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2007.02.18 22:33:00 -
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1) I dont know how far you can cyno in a titan, but it should be clear to jump out to an empty system before logging.
2) Stop ripping on BoB ffs, they are good pilots and they actually have to organize and execute plans. I don't understand all this. BoB worked HARD. Just because the titan pilot wasnt online doesnt mean it was easy. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=465618 |
Jason Marshall
Emerald Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.18 22:39:00 -
[156]
Ill praise bob when they manage to take down a titan that has an aware pilot who isnt loged off.
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Jason Marshall
Emerald Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.18 22:39:00 -
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Ill praise bob when they manage to take down a titan that has an aware pilot who isnt loged off.
Tacky lens flares in sigs 4tw! |
Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.18 22:50:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Nalia Telandar
Goonsquad? People bring up the goon guys a lot. They say that the goons are intentionally bringing 1000's of guys to each node to force crash it. I am not a member of this alliance, but I have some doubts about this happening. My impression of the alliance is that they are the zerg of the game; used for softening up heavies and purging a system of all support ships so their capship using allies can take it. Zergs in most games I play don't have any sort of co-ordinated planning going on, they just all glom on target after target (here it would be systems). If what I have been reading is true, their average ship cost is less than 1 million ISK, which leads to the second factor. If the enemy has like 50 Tier 2 battleships, 10 Carriers, and 3 MS's, the goons have to bring like 600 guys minimum without the fight being a suicide strike. It is a vicious circle really.
I agree to this, but the game can't really handle zerg armees. Disorder/chaos e.g. because of node crashes is the enemy of any advanced fleet, tactics, expensive ship.
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Saul Reaver
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Posted - 2007.02.18 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nobues Edited by: Nobues on 17/02/2007 16:44:40 Edited by: Nobues on 17/02/2007 16:44:15 So here my thinking of it.
You shouldn't have to think about how you can lose something when you log out, you shouldn'thave to think about how low a alliance like BOB will go to do something. BOB are low scrum right right now, there lower then that peace of gum on the bottom of your shoe.
BOB HAS YET TO KILL A TITAN! They exploited 2 deaths of a titan but they have yet to kill them.
To kill something that counts they have to be loged in the game fighting anything else does not matter.
and before you say "but your do the same thing", no I will not if I see the titan person log out, he logs out. I want my kills to be face to face honorable kills.
So what you are saying is that if you had the chance to kill an Enemies Titan you would not attack it. RUBBISH, You know very well what you would do. If i were an Alliance leader and found out that ANY of my pilots passed on a chance to kill an Enemy Titan i would show them the door without hesitation.
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Serathu
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.02.19 00:16:00 -
[160]
May I remind you that you are not permitted to post in this forum if you are not showing your corporation and alliance identifiers or if you are in an NPC corp.
Posts that break this rule will be removed and warnings issued where necessary.
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papaPadla
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.19 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra Would it be so difficult to make a visible time that lets you know when its safe to log off. With so many weird and wonderful things that can agress you, often without you knowing (passive targeters or friendly ship failing an ecm on you maybe?), i can't see it being that difficult to make a timer like that.
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trk4
Amarr Freeform Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.19 00:54:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Bryg Philomena 2) Stop ripping on BoB ffs, they are good pilots and they actually have to organize and execute plans. I don't understand all this. BoB worked HARD. Just because the titan pilot wasnt online doesnt mean it was easy.
I agree, deal with the fact that you all got outwitted. Legal or not the Titan was lost, and whining about it wont change anything here on the forums. |
Wicke
Gallente Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.19 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Arlenna Molatov Edited by: Arlenna Molatov on 18/02/2007 05:35:15
Originally by: USN CVN72
Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 18/02/2007 03:46:18
After reading your posts Avernus... I would like to ask you a question.
You don't have to answer it if you don't want to.
Would you have authorised an operation such as the one undertaken by BoB to kill D2's Titan?
Would you have let FIX pilots go deep undercover to explicitly take advantage of game mechanics to trigger that aggro timer?
Me personally, no, but that is simply a personal choice, and I tend to hold FIX to my personal choices for better or worse. I also don't expect others to play Eve the way I play it.
Before you ask why we would align ourselves to someone that would use mechanics to their advantage, I'll give you the answer (because I imagine that is actually what is on your mind and where this is leading); simply put, mechanics and playstyle are not the only thing by which I judge other people/alliances. The reasons why FIX is friends and allies with BoB are many and well documented.
you talk to much Avernus... hope your boyz r doing well down south because soon your dead meat
And here folks is a PRIME example of people who take events that happen in a game and can't let go of them once they walk away from the PC. This is what more and more peolpe are seeing. ACTUAL INTENDED HATRED of people ove an internet line...in a MAKE BELIEVE GAME!
That why Eve and this very community is going down the wretched toilet. This used to be such a great community..and game. Now all you see are threats, whines, crying...call-outs, people looking in dictonaries to find a different way of putting down others. And no, not all of it is ....RP. Most of it in this whole forum is real. And that is totally pathetic.
This is what is also wrong with the politics around the world today. Blind hatred = not thinking for youself and the lack of ability to rise above the conflict and objectively weigh the situation.
At a time in our existence where the highest number of literate people exist, this blind hatred is remarkably ironic.
And its sad.
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Dire Lonestar
Caldari Global Isk Network Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.19 17:11:00 -
[164]
The voice of moral any bob? :D -- Another one bites the dust! |
Kampfgoessn
The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.19 17:25:00 -
[165]
an Blob, Shm BoD, Shm BoC, Shm BoB pet Post again ...
me /move BloB, Shm BoD, Shm BoC, BoB to singularity server
-------------------------------------- - = Trust = - X-Trading Company [XT]
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Harisdrop
Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.19 17:26:00 -
[166]
In pvp you loose ships and make your enemy loose ships. The best part in Eve is that loosing ships or POS dont mean you loose. It means you get to loose some more. It means it does not matter.
You have carebears or other income to get more ships. It means that PVP is about loosing ships. I like loosing ships. Its the reward of making someone else that does not want to loose their ship that makes me all warm inside.
Note to all. I like PVP. I might not kill you today or next week but I will be trying for months and years and decades. As long as I live the evil Bob will go boom and all that believe evil play is right. You wish you dont know truth cause boom is fun and your my target.
*snip* you signature may not exceed 24000 - Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) |
SPQRMocton
Minmatar Hand Of Bethke
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Posted - 2007.02.19 17:50:00 -
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Without reading the pages in between I would just like to point out that what the OP said is (and this is my opinion) is exactly true, those that claim the timer wasn't intended for that ,the devs did't want it to happen that way ,and all the other blah blah blah just need to realize that bob is serious about wiping out all holders of zero space, plain and simple they make no apologies for their actions ,they don't feel bad about it ,they love to kill you assets and even more when you whine that they cheated it makes them happy !
Now was the action underhanded and sneaky HELL YA ! but it did it's job to remove a dangerous asset to them , now I have always made it a habit to check my logs when I log out in a ss and also use my covert alt to make sure that I am off scanner , and I don't even have a cap ship , that being said it is to no avail to say this or that should be changed , I don't see anyone crying that gravity makes water go to it's lowest point anywhere because they accept the reality of it and it is just dealt with as a constant.
So stop saying it's not fair ,accept the reality of log out kills and use the proper methods to avoid them ,the one thing that is a constant in all of this is bob does have spy's placed in high positions of most if not all of the forces facing them they have planned this very thing for a loooooong time and have contingency plans for most things it seems I respect their planning and organization skills , they really play to win and that is why eve has such a large fan base , you can play anyway that makes you happy.
Now It certainly is a big bummer that the titan was lost and how but it's is a far greater victory in terms of planning and morale then an actual straight up fight that it was lost in.
So the best thing to do is learn from it and never let it happen again , It's not paranoid to trust only yourself when dealing with multi billion isk ships and keeping some responseability only to your self.
Plan on someone being trecherous to you and deal accordingly , that doesn't mean trusting no one at any time ,it just means trusting what you can afford to lose only.
Nice to see a well thought out post and also nice propaganda piece meant to get the allaince to start distruting one another.
The key for the alliance is not to just blindly trust but to look at the higher goal and trust that you all want the same thing, play your hand but keep your cards hidden
If You work to insure Loyalty points With a Corp be sure you can spend them someday |
SPQRMocton
Minmatar Hand Of Bethke
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Posted - 2007.02.19 17:50:00 -
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Without reading the pages in between I would just like to point out that what the OP said is (and this is my opinion) is exactly true, those that claim the timer wasn't intended for that ,the devs did't want it to happen that way ,and all the other blah blah blah just need to realize that bob is serious about wiping out all holders of zero space, plain and simple they make no apologies for their actions ,they don't feel bad about it ,they love to kill you assets and even more when you whine that they cheated it makes them happy !
Now was the action underhanded and sneaky HELL YA ! but it did it's job to remove a dangerous asset to them , now I have always made it a habit to check my logs when I log out in a ss and also use my covert alt to make sure that I am off scanner , and I don't even have a cap ship , that being said it is to no avail to say this or that should be changed , I don't see anyone crying that gravity makes water go to it's lowest point anywhere because they accept the reality of it and it is just dealt with as a constant.
So stop saying it's not fair ,accept the reality of log out kills and use the proper methods to avoid them ,the one thing that is a constant in all of this is bob does have spy's placed in high positions of most if not all of the forces facing them they have planned this very thing for a loooooong time and have contingency plans for most things it seems I respect their planning and organization skills , they really play to win and that is why eve has such a large fan base , you can play anyway that makes you happy.
Now It certainly is a big bummer that the titan was lost and how but it's is a far greater victory in terms of planning and morale then an actual straight up fight that it was lost in.
So the best thing to do is learn from it and never let it happen again , It's not paranoid to trust only yourself when dealing with multi billion isk ships and keeping some responseability only to your self.
Plan on someone being trecherous to you and deal accordingly , that doesn't mean trusting no one at any time ,it just means trusting what you can afford to lose only.
Nice to see a well thought out post and also nice propaganda piece meant to get the allaince to start distruting one another.
The key for the alliance is not to just blindly trust but to look at the higher goal and trust that you all want the same thing, play your hand but keep your cards hidden
If You work to insure Loyalty points With a Corp be sure you can spend them someday |
SPQRMocton
Minmatar Hand Of Bethke
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Posted - 2007.02.19 17:50:00 -
[169]
Edited by: SPQRMocton on 19/02/2007 18:07:58 Without reading the pages in between I would just like to point out that what the OP said is (and this is my opinion) is exactly true, those that claim the timer wasn't intended for that ,the devs did't want it to happen that way ,and all the other blah blah blah just need to realize that bob is serious about wiping out all holders of zero space, plain and simple they make no apologies for their actions ,they don't feel bad about it ,they love to kill you assets and even more when you whine that they cheated it makes them happy !
Now was the action underhanded and sneaky HELL YA ! but it did it's job to remove a dangerous asset to them , now I have always made it a habit to check my logs when I log out in a ss and also use my covert alt to make sure that I am off scanner , and I don't even have a cap ship , that being said it is to no avail to say this or that should be changed , I don't see anyone crying that gravity makes water go to it's lowest point anywhere because they accept the reality of it and it is just dealt with as a constant.
So stop saying it's not fair ,accept the reality of log out kills and use the proper methods to avoid them ,the one thing that is a constant in all of this is bob does have spy's placed in high positions of most if not all of the forces facing them ,they have planned this very thing for a loooooong time and have contingency plans for most things it seems ,I respect their planning and organization skills , they really play to win and that is why eve has such a large fan base , you can play anyway that makes you happy.
Now It certainly is a big bummer that the titan was lost and how ,but it's is a far greater victory in terms of planning and morale then if it was lost in an actual straight up fight.
So the best thing to do is learn from it and never let it happen again , It's not paranoid to trust only yourself when dealing with multi billion isk ships and keeping some responseability only to your self.
Plan on someone being trecherous to you and deal accordingly , that doesn't mean trusting no one at any time ,it just means trusting what you can afford to lose only.
Nice to see a well thought out post and also nice propaganda piece meant to get the alliance to start distrusting one another.
The key for the alliance is not to just blindly trust ,but to look at the higher goal and trust that you all want the same thing, play your hand but keep your cards hidden
If You work to insure Loyalty points With a Corp be sure you can spend them someday |
SPQRMocton
Minmatar Hand Of Bethke
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Posted - 2007.02.19 17:50:00 -
[170]
Edited by: SPQRMocton on 19/02/2007 18:07:58 Without reading the pages in between I would just like to point out that what the OP said is (and this is my opinion) is exactly true, those that claim the timer wasn't intended for that ,the devs did't want it to happen that way ,and all the other blah blah blah just need to realize that bob is serious about wiping out all holders of zero space, plain and simple they make no apologies for their actions ,they don't feel bad about it ,they love to kill you assets and even more when you whine that they cheated it makes them happy !
Now was the action underhanded and sneaky HELL YA ! but it did it's job to remove a dangerous asset to them , now I have always made it a habit to check my logs when I log out in a ss and also use my covert alt to make sure that I am off scanner , and I don't even have a cap ship , that being said it is to no avail to say this or that should be changed , I don't see anyone crying that gravity makes water go to it's lowest point anywhere because they accept the reality of it and it is just dealt with as a constant.
So stop saying it's not fair ,accept the reality of log out kills and use the proper methods to avoid them ,the one thing that is a constant in all of this is bob does have spy's placed in high positions of most if not all of the forces facing them ,they have planned this very thing for a loooooong time and have contingency plans for most things it seems ,I respect their planning and organization skills , they really play to win and that is why eve has such a large fan base , you can play anyway that makes you happy.
Now It certainly is a big bummer that the titan was lost and how ,but it's is a far greater victory in terms of planning and morale then if it was lost in an actual straight up fight.
So the best thing to do is learn from it and never let it happen again , It's not paranoid to trust only yourself when dealing with multi billion isk ships and keeping some responseability only to your self.
Plan on someone being trecherous to you and deal accordingly , that doesn't mean trusting no one at any time ,it just means trusting what you can afford to lose only.
Nice to see a well thought out post and also nice propaganda piece meant to get the alliance to start distrusting one another.
The key for the alliance is not to just blindly trust ,but to look at the higher goal and trust that you all want the same thing, play your hand but keep your cards hidden
If You work to insure Loyalty points With a Corp be sure you can spend them someday |
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Empyre
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.19 18:04:00 -
[171]
Originally by: steamy this leaves me to say this: Ouch and stuff, who cares, life goes on.
don't forget to have fun.
that link brightened up my morning, thanks!
People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue. |
Empyre
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.19 18:04:00 -
[172]
Originally by: steamy this leaves me to say this: Ouch and stuff, who cares, life goes on.
don't forget to have fun.
that link brightened up my morning, thanks!
People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue. |
Empyre
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.19 18:04:00 -
[173]
Originally by: steamy this leaves me to say this: Ouch and stuff, who cares, life goes on.
don't forget to have fun.
that link brightened up my morning, thanks!
People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue. |
Giamilton
Gallente Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.02.19 18:23:00 -
[174]
Edited by: Giamilton on 19/02/2007 18:27:36 Titan Pilots beware, if you are not prepared to stay logged in until downtime, don't even log on. Logging is broken. At gates guys jump in see the gang and hit ctrl-q, you target and start to damage them, then poof they dissapear. Meanwhile friendly aggro sets the timer on a Titan and is destroyed and he is fwih unable to even log-on to fight. It's hard to balance a game, I wouldn't want to be CCP. This is getting lame though. I hate logoffskies yet interupted internet connections need to be accounted for. I say all ships stay in space for 5 minutes after log-off, period. If they are un-aggroed they dissapear, if they are aggroed during the 5 minutes the timer is set to 15 minutes after 15 the ship dissapears from the game regardless. So in a fight and log-off you stay for 5+15 minutes. Out of a fight and log-off you stay just 5 minutes. Just my 02 isk. Props to those of you that don't control-Q when you run across my gang at a gate you just jumped through. Maybe no log-off within 2 minutes of changing sessions? I give up, pretty soon we will all be flying nano-i-stab battleships and logoffski every time it looks like we might actually lose. |
Giamilton
Gallente Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.02.19 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Giamilton on 19/02/2007 18:27:36 Titan Pilots beware, if you are not prepared to stay logged in until downtime, don't even log on. Logging is broken. At gates guys jump in see the gang and hit ctrl-q, you target and start to damage them, then poof they dissapear. Meanwhile friendly aggro sets the timer on a Titan and is destroyed and he is fwih unable to even log-on to fight. It's hard to balance a game, I wouldn't want to be CCP. This is getting lame though. I hate logoffskies yet interupted internet connections need to be accounted for. I say all ships stay in space for 5 minutes after log-off, period. If they are un-aggroed they dissapear, if they are aggroed during the 5 minutes the timer is set to 15 minutes after 15 the ship dissapears from the game regardless. So in a fight and log-off you stay for 5+15 minutes. Out of a fight and log-off you stay just 5 minutes. Just my 02 isk. Props to those of you that don't control-Q when you run across my gang at a gate you just jumped through. Maybe no log-off within 2 minutes of changing sessions? I give up, pretty soon we will all be flying nano-i-stab battleships and logoffski every time it looks like we might actually lose. |
James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.19 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: James Snowscoran on 19/02/2007 19:05:46
Originally by: Jason Marshall Ill praise bob when they manage to take down a titan that has an aware pilot who isnt loged off.
Yeah, and they should open a convo to ensure the pilot isn't afk too. It is also common courtesy to call off the attack if the pilot has a bad hair day or someone was mean to him at school/uni/work. And it goes without saying that you give a pilot time to assemble a defensive fleet if you want to attack a titan, what are we, savage barbarians?
I'm utterly disgusted by this recent opportunistic trend of ganking anything you can get your hands on while striving to ensure the enemy has as little chance to retaliate as possible. Utterly despicable gameplay. I sincerely hope the Coalition of Traditional Family Values stand firmly against this moral corruption that is infesting our children with bad habits and pop music. -----
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Wicke At a time in our existence where the highest number of literate people exist, this blind hatred is remarkably ironic.
And its sad.
Unfortunately, the same education systems that impart literacy don't impart learning how to think. Independant thinking is something most people have to learn outside of school and higher education. Meh... I'm going off topic.
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.19 20:18:00 -
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Edited by: Cupdeez on 19/02/2007 20:14:52 Funny a bob alt trying to justify the killą BOD we donĘt care you are still scum and we are coming to clean it up!!
D2 will live they show that every day they fight you.
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.19 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cupdeez Edited by: Cupdeez on 19/02/2007 20:14:52 Funny a bob alt trying to justify the killą BOD we donĘt care you are still scum and we are coming to clean it up!!
D2 will live they show that every day they fight you.
Well, the probability that you're a D2 alt is higher than the probability Nooey is a BoB alt -----
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jdok
Gallente The Burning Orphans Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.20 22:09:00 -
[180]
It's simple. If you fly a titan, Eve IS your life. Accept responsibility for it.
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