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USN CVN72 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.17 20:39:00 - [91] If the passive targeter is proven to lock things inside the POS shields then the D2 pilot has nothing to worry about he will get the titan reimbursed. Why don't u guys test the passive targeter in your own pos to see if it actually allows you to lock something and aggresses them. If it works for you than it definatly shouldnt work in a POS shield. This is a glitch and is reason for reimbursement. As far as bob having spys in D2 high command and in the active gang is cause for huge concern. If i were any alliance i would not use high assets in the beginning of any war with bob i would not tell anyone in your alliance of your military tactics till the very day that you plan on implimenting it to reduce the amount of intel the enemy receives from their spys. I would also change your TS PW every DAY!!! to ensure communication security. Finally, which i have yet to see happen in a alliance war with bob - impliment true diversion fleets announce in communication channels intentions of attacks in various locations at the same time.. This will keep your enemy guessing. Think of Normady Invasion... Remember BOB are Experts at implimenting their tactics on every enemy they face. they have a very organized REAL LIFE STRUCTURE running the BOB Alliance. If you want to play against them you have to become as organized and careful as they are especially when using your prize assets Titans, Motherships and the rest of your capital fleet. Enough Said... USN OUT!!!
Nooey Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.17 20:44:00 - [92] Edited by: Nooey on 17/02/2007 20:41:46 Originally by: Ascend Alt Anyone (from whichever side of whatever conflict they are on) devoting the kind of energy and forethought to a game that you suggest (i.e. engaging in lengthy brainstomring sessions to try to figure out every possible angle of attack), really, really needs to get a life. Well, lots of things ingame require a lot of thought, that yes, you're right, require one to take the game very seriously and put a lot of effort into it. I'm in your camp, believe me, I just play to have fun, that's why I'm not in some huge alliance planning cyno nets/large scale logistics/countermeasure tactics for supercapital safety/etc. The scale of the invasion D2 brought about was epic and had to have required a great deal of thought. More thought would have gone into that, than into thinking about ways a Titan can die. Quote: If you want to say that they should do this and that "well that is why bob rule and the rest of eve suck" then be my guest.. I'm not flaming D2, as I said in the OP, I respect them and the way they've carried themselves in the war for the most part. I'm not here to say "lolnooburtehsuxxor" at all. I'm here to point out there it's not CCP's fault, it's not BoB's fault, it's entirely D2's. The loss was completely avoidable, 100%. There were so many ways it could have been avoided, but they were rather astonishingly overlooked. Saying anything else is just innaccurate/making excuses/shirking personal responsibility. My point is that, if an alliance treats their Titan with the "It's a game" attitude, which is fine, then they have nobody to blame for it's loss but themselves if said attitude results in reckless behaviour. Originally by: USN CVN72 If the passive targeter is proven to lock things inside the POS shields then the D2 pilot has nothing to worry about he will get the titan reimbursed. Please, for the love of god, read the original post with the facts. Look at the picture linked. There was no use of passive targeters and the POS was outside the shield.
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.17 21:16:00 - [93] Originally by: NightmareX I can guarantee that alot of peoples will quit EVE over that if that doesn't get fixed soon, because it's going to happen soon again if it's not fixed. hopefully people like you. seriously. Quit whining just because you are losing.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 21:25:00 - [94] Edited by: NightmareX on 17/02/2007 21:23:07 Originally by: Troubadour Originally by: NightmareX I can guarantee that alot of peoples will quit EVE over that if that doesn't get fixed soon, because it's going to happen soon again if it's not fixed. hopefully people like you. seriously. Quit whining just because you are losing. Hehe wrong And your saying we are loosing, hahahahahahahahahahah, have you seen what we have done to LV so far? And when LV is gone or are in empire to mine veldspar, then it's BoB's turn for that. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Kanthras	Posted - 2007.02.17 21:27:00 - [95] Originally by: USN CVN72 If the passive targeter is proven to lock things inside the POS shields then the D2 pilot has nothing to worry about he will get the titan reimbursed. The spy didn't use a passive targeter. The Erebus was outside the POS shield and the spy used a micro smartbomb to aggro him. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Nastratu Minmatar Serefon Creatin	Posted - 2007.02.17 22:36:00 - [96] Originally by: NightmareX Nope it's not, when a freighter try to log off while he's still cloaked at the gate, then he KNOWS that he is going to be attacked, and therefor try to log off to save his ship. The thing with the titan is something totally different, because he logged off while he was sure he was safe and no enemier around him then. And the titan pilot had to log because of rl stuffs, and not because he knows he was about to get attacked. So therefor, you are still wrong dude Well this is like war and stuff if you haven't noticed? Which means he could have been attacked any time any place. As OP has said, the alliance should have brainstormed different possibilities of losing their Titan. Believing that there are no enemies around you is naive, because you can be most certain that your alliance has been infiltrated by spies. He made a mistake being so sure that he is safe. Being unaware of danger on victim's part does not make the use of aggro timer some kind of invalid technique to scan him out and gank him. I am very certain there have been numerou cases in the game when people logged off thinking they are in no danger, just like the D2 Titan pilot did, not during combat, and they got probed out and killed. He was at war with an alliance that already ganked a Titan, flying a 150 bil investment. I would not be feeling safe with that anywhere. And logging off thinking that you are safe why you are not does not make use of aggro timer to kill your ship an exploit. If you get killed like this it is because you made a mistake in judgement. Originally by: Fabian Amrhein oh man : ) why you dont post with your BOB main ? i hate this bobalt posts ... ; ) Yes, anybody making sense has to be with BoB. Anyone throwing senseless flames around and lacking logic must be a true D2 member. Is this what you're trying to say? ;)
Third Down Hard Rock Cafe	Posted - 2007.02.18 00:07:00 - [97] Originally by: Nooey 1 a). Do not announce in gang/Teamspeak that you are planning to log out. Only your most trusted of trusted high command should be aware of this, and only moments before you plan on doing so. b). Do not announce it to anybody. 2. Drop from any gang you're in and turn on all damage logs. 3 a) Instantly warp from inside your POS, to your own personal deep safespot you have made in that system. b) Jump to a system where you have a personal deep safe. Preferably use your own Cyno alt to do this. Otherwise, drop instantly from the gang you used to Cyno with. Warp to your personal deep safe from the POS you cynoÆd to. 4. Cloak instantly when you arrive at the safespot. 5. Wait for 20 minutes. 6. Open your log. Ensure that there is absolutely no aggression on you. Whilst it should be impossible for you to have been aggressed whilst cloaked, this step takes all of 5 seconds and should always be done. 7. Double check that 20 minutes have passed.* 8. Open your folder that stores gamelogs. Go to the Program Files>CCP>Eve>Capture and be ready to open to the gamelogs folder. 9. Open a new client of Eve. Enter your username and password but do not log in. 10. Close the currently running client. 11. Open the gamelogs folder, ensure one last time that there is no aggression reported in the gamelogs. 12. If you are clear, close your readied client and go enjoy your Macaroni Cheese/Family Guy/Girlfriend/Day of work without any sleep because youÆve been trying to Doomsday fleets all night/etc Jesus wept; you're the guy who writes our staff HR manuals, aren't you? There's not a chance in hell that CCP intended logging off to be that hard. A train of thought that leads to the word 'petitionable'. /SM
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.18 00:10:00 - [98] Nooey mate hindsight is 20/20. I personally would have logged it off behind the pos shields. But then again I'm not a Titan pilot. I really think a visible aggression timer would be a great thing and i really would like if damage from corp or alliance mates didn't trigger aggo timer. How many people have lost ships because they're bored and firing at each other at a gate camp and then they're aggroed when hostiles come in. (It happens all the time. people get bored at a camp for hours.) D2 could have done things differently and will in the future. But imagine a paradise. An Eve without BoD where such precautions aren't necessary..... (I personally think an Eve without BoD would be filled with puppies and kittens and people singing and ships dancing in formation!) It's a big deal that BoD killed the Erebus but it's also kinda sad. Pathetic even. It should have gone down fighting. instead it went down in a borderline exploit of the aggro timer in a very underhanded fashion. I'm not suprised BoD got accused of cheating the way it went down. It'd be really nice if one these things got lost in a straight up fight. Good post Nooey. Very thoughtful. But maybe this loss is still a little raw. I doubt anything you say will sink in at this time. Oh and when did you become a BoD alt? You're logged in all the time as Nooey. I didn't think you had time to be a sekrit alt of the nefarious BoD?
David H'Levi Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.18 00:13:00 - [99] I think you've just outlined a clear problem. Being a titan pilot sucks. Period. You're time in EVE is no longer your own, it takes you at least half an hour to log out safely, you are at your alliance's beck and call, and you have to fly around in huge fleets clicking a doomsday button for hours upon hours a day. Your method is certainly about as close to foolproof as you can get, and if I ever owned a titan, I'd probably follow it as closely as possible. But the bottom line is that this is extremely difficult, and bad things will occur. Fortune is a fickle mistress, handmaiden of victory, and when you're flying something that large, and that complicated, Fortune will inevitably work against you at some point. Then you'd better hope that your friends and allies are better than your enemies. snip Sig not appropriate. Please email [email protected] linking the sig to find out why -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) I must admit, I like the violet.
Heilongjiang YASA.	Posted - 2007.02.18 00:15:00 - [100] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 17/02/2007 20:45:41 Originally by: Torshin if you had the chance to aggro Shrike as he logged would you take it? We wouldn't use a tactic like that in EVE, so he will only die to us whe he IS online. We just want to make sure that Shrike or any other hostile titan pilots will see their titan go down while they are logged on, nothing is better than that Now that's the way to kill a Titan, Man up and do it properly. ....still waiting expectantly for those 3 sweet words... BoB Titan Down

Shadowfax2121 Gallente Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.18 00:21:00 - [101] All aboard the hate train! Hate D2 or BOB! w00t!
Gungankllr Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.18 00:36:00 - [102] Edited by: Gungankllr on 18/02/2007 00:33:08 The bottom line in my opinion is you shouldn't have to complete the twelve labours of Hercules in order to log off if something comes up. I understand that being a Titan Pilot is a tremendous honor and extreme care should be exercised when being trusted to pilot one, but I also believe that there should be some sort of game mechanic that prevents events such as this from occurring. Crafting an elaborate plan in order to kill a ship after it logs off stinks. At what point did Eve become so utterly devoid of any sort of any joy in anything but negative aspects? When we lost our mothership, I was pretty angry, I'll admit. I made a few posts referencing that it was lost due to lag, and for that I appologize to the MC. Lag in fleet battles is normal, and it's not like it wasn't expected. We lost our mothership because MC took some giant brass balls and fired them through our forehead using a cannon. THAT IS HOW SUPERCAPITALS SHOULD DIE, not this "Let's plan around doing everything we can so they can't fight back" strategy. I didn't think it was possible for BoB to fall any lower on my respect chart, but I guess I'll have to paint on some more levels of negative.
Sky lv Chicas Locas Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 00:37:00 - [103] Edited by: Sky lv on 18/02/2007 00:42:21 Originally by: Dezra CCP should implement a warning before you close the client, something like "You have been agressed and you ship will not dissapear for the next 15 minutes, do you still want to quit?" At least that way some ahole cant pull a fast one like the one D2 suffered. Eve has taken a turn for the worse, seems like BoB will stoop to the lowest level to kill a ship. I honestly cant see why some are impressed that BoB now has killed 2 Titans, while the pilots have been unable to control it. That should rather make ppl think, that its to much of a coincidence. !!!!! Seriously give us a damn warning that we have to CONFIRM before we log off. Killing 2 titans while offline lol I see why bob is so "great". The first one is questionable but I think legit, this D2 titan was a pure exploit. Why for the reason many of stated OVER AND OVER. The agro timer was NOT meant to be used like this it WAS meant to KEEP lamers from logging off to avoid death, thats it. Not so when someones hasnt been involved in pvp for hours and he closes his client then comes back to a egg, exploiters ftL! But if I was d2 I might take this as a good thing, see people with no fear no resort to this kinda underhanded exploiting game play, they would have wanted to kill it in battle. Personally I think bob knows it needs to do everything and anything possible to win this, unlike any other war they have had in the past.
Man1ac Xenobytes Stain Empire	Posted - 2007.02.18 00:42:00 - [104] Originally by: Laura Baretta ... Its legit, until CCP decides to nerf it. Your argumentation "Friendly Fire shouldn't add aggro timer" is totally useless, and that wont change, no matter how often you tell people trying to explain this to you that THEY don't get your warped logic. Just give up on your little crusade, get in your capsule and shoot bob :) Loads of BS. Carrier cargo bug was "legit until CCP nerfed it"? People got banned because they abused it.
Gabriel Heavenlost	Posted - 2007.02.18 01:08:00 - [105] Well thought out OP. Its just a shame EVE can't be played anymore. Now we have live it. Remember when you could stack damage mods without a percentage penatly? While not being a hack or exploit, the game mechanic that allowed for this was one that detracted from gameplay and as such was fixed. Many many games, digital or not, have 'broken' mechanics that can be easily abused for the benefit of the abuser. This is something BoB seems to excel at. Any veteran gamer will recognize this as Munchinism.
Dirtee Girl Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.18 01:28:00 - [106] wow you know it only takes about 30 seconds to tell the truth bull**** takes longer dont forget to link this in you app
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.18 01:48:00 - [107] Originally by: Nooey OP An extremely strong post, excellent use of logic, you just outclassed 99% of the people on this forum. Almost a shame we're currently on the same side, I would think a debate with you could enjoyably strain the braincells. Blog
Wicke Gallente Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.18 02:34:00 - [108] To be bluntly honest, the OP is 100% correct. I know my Alliance has a group of folks constantly searching and testing the game mechanics to gain a complete understanding of 'threats' to Cap Ships and POS's. Why anyone wouldnt do that is beyond me.
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.18 03:14:00 - [109] Bottom line here is, a person should not be afraid to log off or go through 20-25 minutes of procedure to log off. Even if he is flying a titan. Aggression timer is to prevent your opponent from logging off in combat. Period. I know that I would not want to be treated like this by my enemies, and would never intentionally treat anyone so. You can explain your reasonings until blue in the face, but the problem is not in the logic, but in difference of opinions on what is fair gameplay. I dislike people who make winning at whatever cost their ultimate goal.
Paradoxex Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.02.18 03:15:00 - [110] Could D2 have done something else to ensure their titan was no killed in any fashion? Sure. I just hope you feel the same way about the LV-Goon incident. In both cases the aggressing parties took advantage of an aspect of the game mechanics that for whatever reason has been allowed to exist. The fact that CCP has allowed it to exist is precisely why BoB in the first example and Goons in the second were knowledgeable enough to use the respectiv instances of game mechanics to their advantage. That said, it's still a sad state of affairs for the game, and I find your attempt to spin it lacking. I also find your vision for the game one that will cause CCP's universe to fall flat in short order should you be correct. Eve is about space combat. It is meant to simulate what we envision space combat in the future, with a given back story, to be like. That includes massive space fights, epic explosions, and a real sense that combat strategy on a massive scale not only matters. This also includes a sense of real loss and gain, and in doing all this we help shape the universe. We cause change in Eve. Of course, itÆs still a simulation, and so we have to go back to real life for most of the day. So that creates a tension, where people leave the world they shape for periods of the day. Managing this transition is not easy, and this is where many MMOÆs become great or lackluster. The idea is to make it as fair and seamless to everyone involved as is possible. So people expect this game to be as realistic as is possible. Well, the sad fact is, being aggressed as you leave the game solely so that due to a line of code in the gameÆs script you will be susceptible to being killed while not in the gameà.is not realistic. Had the Erebus pilot stayed online, he would have lived undoubtedly. The spy in question exploited a line of code that allowed him to make the game very unrealistic. ItÆs a fallacy in Eve, and itÆs one they need to correct. People pay for the realism in the games they play, and in that they derive fun. When games start seeming like they are less ôrealö and more constrained by peculiar lines of codeàthey stop playing. You assert that if you can perform an action in Eve and it has not been explicitly outlawed, that makes it legal, nay, even correct to do. You also assert that implicitly, CCP encourages this behavior. The facts donÆt support this on either account. Petitions exist in part for the specific appeal of exploited bugs on the server. An accurate definition of a bug is a part of the game that does not function as it is intended, but the developers have not found or implemented a fix to it. Implied in this is that they donÆt agree with its usage, and that is why they have a policy to reimburse players for these losses. Anecdotal evidence has limited usage, but maybe it will help here. I lost a ship last month to an enemy that dropped drones on my outside a station, warped to a pre-made bookmark 200k away, and let his drones continue to attack me. He was using a vexor. If you know ôgame mechanicsö then you know that heÆs exploiting a bug that allows drones to keep attacking even after their owner has left his range of control. I petitioned; CCP reimbursed me. Why? The enemy used a tactic that clearly was in the game. It had clearly not been outlawed. Yet CCP gave me back my ship. Clearly, indisputably, your idea that just because a tactic CAN be used, means it is legal, doesnÆt hold wait. People canÆt petition lag. They can petition broken mechanics. This is arguably, but pretty convincingly, a broken game mechanic. CCP implemented aggro timers to be used to keep people from logging off in the heat of battle without consequence. That isnÆt what happened here. Someone exploited the game mechanic to actually put him in danger as he logged off.

Paradoxex Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.02.18 03:16:00 - [111] As for BoB, they lose a lot more in these exchanges than D2, or anyone else for that matter. Putting aside accusation of developers helping them and what not, they hurt themselves by blowing up titans in this way. Months ago, and for far longer than that, BoB was known as an alliance of formidable might and worthy of dread. People lived under their banner, and those who didnÆt feared them enough to have to acknowledge that they impacted their game play in Eve. They were also seen as fairly honorable. They didnÆt smack in local as much as others, and they generally won because they had high SP characters who knew how to play the game. Actions like the killing of D2Æs titan in the manner that it took place change that perception for many players. BoB is beginning to be seen as a group of players hell-bent on winning the game regardless of the means they have to employ to achieve it. They blow up big ships using exploits that 90% of the community is appalled at, and the other 10% turn their head from. To the best of my knowledge, the majority of BoB didnÆt know about the recent developer-T2 incident until it became public for everyone. For me personally, it was hard to sully their achievements of the entire alliance as a result of one personÆs abuse. This incident is much harder to ignore. Band of Brothers is not just an alliance in the real world. ItÆs a well-known mini-series about a bunch of people who held honor and loyalty as the highest of virtues as they made it through or died in the hardest of times. Many of these individuals died in the name of honor. Why an alliance with such power and noble founding principles would resort to tactics that are perceived as despicable is beyond me, and seemingly contradictory to the name, and thus founding principles of the alliance itself. The end result of these actions is that people will forever challenge the successes of the alliance. It matters much less now who wins this conflict. BoBÆs past and future success is shrouded in dubious actions and questionable tactics. By killing D2Æs titan in this way BoB may be closer to winning this war, but they are far closer to losing the type of legacy many of them no doubt want them to leave behind. At the end of the day, CCP and BoB didnÆt have the last say in whether or not D2Æs Erebus lived. D2 did. You are correct, they didnÆt cover every base. To say it is all their fault is to make presumptions that arenÆt supported by current game policy or explicitly stated by the gameÆs developers. CCP does promote a sinister environment that includes allowances that donÆt exist in other games. It does not promote the explicit exploitation of mechanics to achieve results clearly contrary to their intention. Your argument comes down to one analogy. Say I give you a gun and tell you itÆs only be used to defend yourself. So you shoot me in the head with it, unprovoked. You seem to be arguing that I should have never given you the gun. In real life, some people would agree. What you arenÆt acknowledging, however, is that in real life youÆd also go to jail. And I think you should, as you disobeyed instructions and did something that was clearly not intended or implied. CCP should weigh in on this, but whatÆs likely is that they will continue their policy on avoiding the big game play issues and letting the community sort itself out. Still, they helped create this. BoB likewise exploited the game play in a way that was not intended, and they should be held accountable for that too. And they are, by the community at least. Other than the cheating accusations, nothing wrong is happening here. It would be nice to claim the world is black and white and fault should be assigned to one party...but that simply isn't the reality we face.
Gungankllr Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.18 03:24:00 - [112] Edited by: Gungankllr on 18/02/2007 03:20:26 Paradoxe, your post is the most logical, intelligent articulate post I have ever read in three plus years of reading these forums. Now only if somebody that matters would act on it.
Gabriel Heavenlost	Posted - 2007.02.18 03:32:00 - [113] Originally by: Paradoxex As for BoB, they lose a lot more in these exchanges than D2, or anyone else for that matter. Putting aside accusation of developers helping them and what not, they hurt themselves by blowing up titans in this way. ... It would be nice to claim the world is black and white and fault should be assigned to one party...but that simply isn't the reality we face. Quoted for truth.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.18 03:33:00 - [114] Edited by: Avernus on 18/02/2007 03:31:36 Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 18/02/2007 03:20:26 Paradoxe, your post is the most logical, intelligent articulate post I have ever read in three plus years of reading these forums. Now only if somebody that matters would act on it. It is a good post, and well argued, except that it falls short in one area; the arguement is that it is foolish to not account for game mechanic possibilities, not an arguement that using the mechanics to your advantage is morally justified. Edit; just to clarify the above, I am referring to the OP's arguement being based on accounting for game mechanics and protecting yourself from it. Blog
Uinein Caldari Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.18 03:37:00 - [115] CCP make the rules if it was an exploit D2 should get their Titan back. D2 should have been more careful. If D2 admitted that it was a fair kill albeit underhanded, why are all of you foaming at the mouth over something that you didn't contribute to at all?
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.18 03:40:00 - [116] I'll also argue that Paradoxex misrepresents the OP's arguement as being a justification for how the titan was taken down. To quote the OP: Quote: - Band of Brothers capitalized on the above facts ruthlessly, and mobilized an Anti-Titan fleet on the scene in under 5 minutes. Whilst it was opportunism on their behalf, it was no accident. - Band of Brothers acted in an extremely underhanded fashion, and yet, entirely within acceptable gameplay rules. They did not cheat to kill this Titan. They did not exploit to kill this Titan. It was a legitimate kill. Reading the above language, the OP hasn't justified the usage of mechanics to one's advantage. What he has done is very throughly argued the failings to protect yourself from possible mechanics as a direct failing of the Titan's alliance. Again, Paradoxex's arguement is a fairly made one, but it missed the message that the OP wrote. Blog
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.18 03:49:00 - [117] Edited by: Nez Perces on 18/02/2007 03:46:18 After reading your posts Avernus... I would like to ask you a question. You don't have to answer it if you don't want to. Would you have authorised an operation such as the one undertaken by BoB to kill D2's Titan? Would you have let FIX pilots go deep undercover to explicitly take advantage of game mechanics to trigger that aggro timer?
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.18 03:55:00 - [118] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 18/02/2007 03:46:18 After reading your posts Avernus... I would like to ask you a question. You don't have to answer it if you don't want to. Would you have authorised an operation such as the one undertaken by BoB to kill D2's Titan? Would you have let FIX pilots go deep undercover to explicitly take advantage of game mechanics to trigger that aggro timer? Me personally, no, but that is simply a personal choice, and I tend to hold FIX to my personal choices for better or worse. I also don't expect others to play Eve the way I play it. Before you ask why we would align ourselves to someone that would use mechanics to their advantage, I'll give you the answer (because I imagine that is actually what is on your mind and where this is leading); simply put, mechanics and playstyle are not the only thing by which I judge other people/alliances. The reasons why FIX is friends and allies with BoB are many and well documented. Blog
Allen Deckard Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.18 03:56:00 - [119] exactly when was it that it became a big supprise to anyone that bob are exploiters and cheets? Just currious. Kentucky where the goats roam and the rednecks run free
sweetheart Black Reign FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.18 04:01:00 - [120] Edited by: sweetheart on 18/02/2007 03:59:50 Ahh crap who cares !! Seems like all anyone wnats to do nowdays is to get 10:1 against someone for the superblob . .............................................. To Win is Everything



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