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Harum Skarum Minmatar Committee for Subversive Decoration	Posted - 2007.02.19 21:49:00 - [121] Originally by: hybridundertaker Originally by: Noreen I'm going to tell you what we learned first hand in ASCN after fighting BoB for months, we were nicknamed "hobbits", but we managed to keep a pvp force at bay, these are our findings. i thought the war lasted rathger week or 2 ... Is it a virtue to manage to keep pvp forces ''at bay''? I had a feeling gunships are made to be undocked, im a noob so correct me if im wrong The Pendulum. 2006.09.28 Molle victory post 2007.01.05 What alliance lasted longer versus BoB? FA?
furlock Minmatar Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.19 23:24:00 - [122] interesting post noreen
Ztang Canary Amarr McDuff Industries	Posted - 2007.02.20 01:02:00 - [123] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Minikrimi Extreme But for those who dismiss someone because their alliance lost a major war, there is something that was repeated over and over again at my university: We learn the most, when we fail. Learn from the mistakes of others, because it is much cheaper than failing yourself. I'm dismissing the OP because his alliance failed after "fighting" a war based on these same assumptions. The OP is conveying points derived from the ascn/bob war..thoughts gathered in retrospect. These were things we experienced as the war unfolded... Our downfall was being human...thank god we are not arrogant oracles like yourself. Arrogance is often accompanied by ignorance tho...seems to fit in this case. Ztang Canary *********************** In limbo, awaiting the day when Eve can be played on truly equal terms. The day when every player is equal to CCP, and wins/losses arent determined by lag and
Ceratin ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.20 05:44:00 - [124] Originally by: Noreen Rabble rabble rabble... Instead of all that, hows about we'll just win? ------------ All hail! Leader of the pod brigade..
pershphanie The Ancient Race	Posted - 2007.02.20 06:48:00 - [125] Originally by: Ztang Canary Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Minikrimi Extreme But for those who dismiss someone because their alliance lost a major war, there is something that was repeated over and over again at my university: We learn the most, when we fail. Learn from the mistakes of others, because it is much cheaper than failing yourself. I'm dismissing the OP because his alliance failed after "fighting" a war based on these same assumptions. The OP is conveying points derived from the ascn/bob war..thoughts gathered in retrospect. These were things we experienced as the war unfolded... Our downfall was being human...thank god we are not arrogant oracles like yourself. Arrogance is often accompanied by ignorance tho...seems to fit in this case. Well at least your arguement is based on the ingame facts and not personal attacks. That wont help you or make you more right you know.. You claim that the op listed things that he would have done in retrospect. ok. well lets take a closer look. "1) Your alliance reads the crap on EvE-O, get off your high horse and post some propoganda on here, Fill these forums with YOUR posts, not BoB's. You want to win in EvE, start on the Forums." How is that "inretrospect"? ASCN tried that. It didnt help them. "5) BoB and BoB slaves have a symbian relationship, 1 cannot live without the other. Divide them." Don't remember ASCN attacking fountain? Don't remember their gangs around delve? Tried that too. Didn't help them. " 1) BoB cannot HOLD more then 1 system at a time." Don't remember bob taking out a system in feith while killing off stk's dreads in fountain? In retrospect my ass. This is just the same old bull**** that has been tried over and over again. Go ahead, keep calling me names. See if that changes the outcome.
Cockroach Amarr Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.20 09:35:00 - [126] Originally by: Noreen 3) snip Please do not discuss this on the forums. --Elmo Pug . I'm sorry but I would like to know just what #3 was all about. I just heard a rumour that it was that Bob knew where all the server nodes are and could attempt to lag or crash nodes etc.....I certainly hope this isnt true after the recent alegations of dev help within Bob (as far as i understand that would be the only way they could know this) and would ask for clarification or denial from CCP that this isnt the case or a link to a thread or statement about it. I certainly do not want to hear or start rumour mongering by asking this; and i am sure CCP would want to make sure that we all know this isnt the case and that we as players of eve know that CCP are trying their best to make Eve as fair as is possible in game. A good post by Noreen nonetheless
Ben Hump Minmatar The Kru	Posted - 2007.02.20 09:42:00 - [127] Edited by: Ben Hump on 20/02/2007 09:39:12 Originally by: Noreen 1) Your alliance reads the crap on EvE-O, get off your high horse and post some propoganda on here, Fill these forums with YOUR posts, not BoB's. You want to win in EvE, start on the Forums. hahahahahahahahahahahaahahaaahhaahahhahahahah ohh really? May contain traces of irony, period and enter do not belong on my keyboard "Yes Mister Tristan"
Lyer THE BLUE FLAG	Posted - 2007.02.20 09:46:00 - [128] Originally by: Cockroach Originally by: Noreen 3) snip Please do not discuss this on the forums. --Elmo Pug . I'm sorry but I would like to know just what #3 was all about. I just heard a rumour that it was that Bob knew where all the server nodes are and could attempt to lag or crash nodes etc.....I certainly hope this isnt true after the recent alegations of dev help within Bob (as far as i understand that would be the only way they could know this) and would ask for clarification or denial from CCP that this isnt the case or a link to a thread or statement about it. I certainly do not want to hear or start rumour mongering by asking this; and i am sure CCP would want to make sure that we all know this isnt the case and that we as players of eve know that CCP are trying their best to make Eve as fair as is possible in game. A good post by Noreen nonetheless Did you make this up on the spot or did it take all day to compile?
Cockroach Amarr Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.20 10:16:00 - [129] Originally by: Lyer [ Did you make this up on the spot or did it take all day to compile? Actually the question was already raised on our own forums Lyer, i thought it appropriate to ask the question here for clarification and appologize if, as i said in my previous post, that you have mistaken it for rumour mongering. Im sure Bob has its spies in our own forums, as was said above, perhaps you should ask them to confirm it for you. But at least i can ask the question with my main char and tbh was expecting a retorical answer from a 2 month old char like yourself in a 1 man corp which screams at me and everyone else here alt.
Lyer THE BLUE FLAG	Posted - 2007.02.20 11:41:00 - [130] Edited by: Lyer on 20/02/2007 11:38:23 Originally by: Cockroach Originally by: Lyer [ Did you make this up on the spot or did it take all day to compile? Actually the question was already raised on our own forums Lyer, i thought it appropriate to ask the question here for clarification and appologize if, as i said in my previous post, that you have mistaken it for rumour mongering. Im sure Bob has its spies in our own forums, as was said above, perhaps you should ask them to confirm it for you. But at least i can ask the question with my main char and tbh was expecting a retorical answer from a 2 month old char like yourself in a 1 man corp which screams at me and everyone else here alt. A mature answer to a flippant comment from myself. Do I know you as you seem to refer to OUR forums, I dont think so. As for being an Alt - sure this is one of a number of accounts I have and certainly older than 2 months. Your'll find thats the corp age I set up. This way I answer to me and only me and get to say what I think. My remarks run no risk of tarring other people. It complies to forum rules and doesnt change what I think about certain aspects, It just allows me to express my opionins in a more liberated way. Its very common, you should really try it. But enough of the deflection from your statement.
NeXxT	Posted - 2007.02.20 12:23:00 - [131] /signed _____________________________________________
Mariko San Saints Surrounded	Posted - 2007.02.20 12:30:00 - [132] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Ztang Canary Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Minikrimi Extreme But for those who dismiss someone because their alliance lost a major war, there is something that was repeated over and over again at my university: We learn the most, when we fail. Learn from the mistakes of others, because it is much cheaper than failing yourself. I'm dismissing the OP because his alliance failed after "fighting" a war based on these same assumptions. The OP is conveying points derived from the ascn/bob war..thoughts gathered in retrospect. These were things we experienced as the war unfolded... Our downfall was being human...thank god we are not arrogant oracles like yourself. Arrogance is often accompanied by ignorance tho...seems to fit in this case. Well at least your arguement is based on the ingame facts and not personal attacks. That wont help you or make you more right you know.. You claim that the op listed things that he would have done in retrospect. ok. well lets take a closer look. "1) Your alliance reads the crap on EvE-O, get off your high horse and post some propoganda on here, Fill these forums with YOUR posts, not BoB's. You want to win in EvE, start on the Forums." How is that "in retrospect"? ASCN tried that. It didnt help them. ASCN were just very bad at forum trolling, goons on the other hand are at least as proficient as bob at forum whoring and drafting internet forum smackdowns. Originally by: pershphanie "5) BoB and BoB slaves have a symbian relationship, 1 cannot live without the other. Divide them." Don't remember ASCN attacking fountain? Don't remember their gangs around delve? Tried that too. Didn't help them. ASCN never had the numbers to do both properly, at its peak in the war it had what, 300 ppl online (remember a big chunk of the A&A channel was AXE) of whom about half were willing/able to fight. This was not enough to try to hold bob and attack the pets successfully. Originally by: pershphanie "1) BoB cannot HOLD more then 1 system at a time." Don't remember bob taking out a system in feith while killing off stk's dreads in fountain? What protection did STK's dreads have? next to none and a dread in seige mode at a hostile POS lagged to hell is just a big fat sitting duck unless it has a big support fleet with it. And by the time this happened ASCN was already a dead man walking.
NereSky Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.20 12:55:00 - [133] A very informative post by the op, thanks for taking the time and trouble of typing it, my experience so far tends to agree with everything you have stated,
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.20 13:54:00 - [134] Anyone who thinks the OP of this thread has displayed any kind of profound insight will be better of just mining veld, it's to little, to late for you. -- .sig apathy ftw
Raste Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.20 13:57:00 - [135] Not to be a ****, but why would RA and crew be looking for war advice from ASCN? ===This is a sig=== "no matter where you are or what you're doing, you know that down in the southeast, LV and RA are trying to stab each other in the face." -- Cadiz ==============
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.20 14:55:00 - [136] Hindsight probably. Knowing what to do is one thing, persuading an alliance to do it is the real battle. Luckily GS directors have experience herding cats.
Admiral Feelgood Even-Flow	Posted - 2007.02.20 15:46:00 - [137] Originally by: Aceonfire Edited by: Aceonfire on 20/02/2007 11:26:36 Edited by: Aceonfire on 20/02/2007 11:24:58 Originally by: Noreen Goons are now imo the strongest force in EvE LOL, just LOL Goons play one part in this conflict. Causing lag. If the goons did not have the assistance of 5+ other alliances, they would have been mining veldspar in empire days after they decided to attack us. Goons, in general, lack skillpoints, pvp experience, and the isk to even consider attacking a 100 man noob corp in empire, much less LV. Jeez, bitter much?
Ricco Lonestar Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.20 20:08:00 - [138] Enuf said. Turn around while you still can.
celous Caldari Dark Skyes	Posted - 2007.02.20 20:40:00 - [139] Originally by: Admiral Feelgood Originally by: Aceonfire Edited by: Aceonfire on 20/02/2007 11:26:36 Edited by: Aceonfire on 20/02/2007 11:24:58 Originally by: Noreen Goons are now imo the strongest force in EvE LOL, just LOL Goons play one part in this conflict. Causing lag. If the goons did not have the assistance of 5+ other alliances, they would have been mining veldspar in empire days after they decided to attack us. Goons, in general, lack skillpoints, pvp experience, and the isk to even consider attacking a 100 man noob corp in empire, much less LV. Jeez, bitter much? he right tho
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.20 21:36:00 - [140] Originally by: Portios Smith Originally by: Tobias Sjodin I'd rather take advice on how to win by someone who have won. Oh thats easy, just cheat So everyone who wins cheats in your book. ... right.
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.20 22:30:00 - [141] Originally by: pershphanie Well at least your arguement is based on the ingame facts and not personal attacks. That wont help you or make you more right you know.. That applies both ways I think. Originally by: pershphanie You claim that the op listed things that he would have done in retrospect. ok. well lets take a closer look. "1) Your alliance reads the crap on EvE-O, get off your high horse and post some propoganda on here, Fill these forums with YOUR posts, not BoB's. You want to win in EvE, start on the Forums." How is that "inretrospect"? ASCN tried that. It didnt help them. There some reason why BoB isn't doing it now then? I'm noticing a lack of BoB posts lately. Originally by: pershphanie "5) BoB and BoB slaves have a symbian relationship, 1 cannot live without the other. Divide them." Don't remember ASCN attacking fountain? Don't remember their gangs around delve? Tried that too. Didn't help them. Didn't D2 take a station there while BoB was busy? Originally by: pershphanie "1) BoB cannot HOLD more then 1 system at a time." Don't remember bob taking out a system in feith while killing off stk's dreads in fountain? So what you are saying is that if BoB had a fleet of 200 at one system and 3 different alliances with a gang of 200+ a piece attacked systems that are each 20+ jumps from each other, BoB could fend them all off at the same time? Don't forget what happened to that LV cap shipyard system. Those kind of numbers are not impossible. For the record, this isn't a poke at BoB. I just like pointing out how people ignore other facts.
Founder Meo Gallente Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.20 22:43:00 - [142] Id just like to point out that for all the accusation at BoB they are some very fine PVPers yes ganking and 5v1 odds will help kill them but the satilite nations eg the bob pets will act as a front for bob as there currently doing. i'm not to sure about LV's current status but with everybody seeming to take out LV before they move onto bob it cant be good. As for Bob fearing Goon i dont honestly think they fear them, bob are more the type to go down fighting with a smile on there faces and enjoying every minute of it. yes they'll feel regret but lets look at there history .... they go out and fight the biggest alliances they can for the challange. They enjoy it ! ----------------------------------------------- -Who would bring a charge against God's elect ? it is God who justifies- Romans 8:33
WallStArb CyberDyne R-D	Posted - 2007.02.20 23:29:00 - [143] As long as both sides are losing dreads and carriers... GL to everyone involved, and feel free to contact us for bulk purchases of dreads and carriers! Some must die so others may become infinite
Admiral Feelgood Even-Flow	Posted - 2007.02.21 00:14:00 - [144] Edited by: Admiral Feelgood on 21/02/2007 00:10:33 Originally by: celous Originally by: Admiral Feelgood Jeez, bitter much? he right tho I disagree, the goons are a force to be reckoned with on their own and saying that their only role is to cause lag is absurd. Perhaps 1v1 LV could beat them but who cares? Same could have been said at the start of LV's anti-RA coalition. GoonSwarm has been around for a year+ and some of it's members have been playing for 2-3 years now, maybe not the majority but yeah. Putting them down like that is just him being angry at losing space, which is all right cause nobody likes to. Still though that doesn't make that true. Sure the average goon in space doesn't have as many skill points to match the average pilot in another alliance, but they've got all the experience and more in terms of hours fighting. I'm not saying they're better/all that great to begin with but is statements were patently untrue and mostly unfounded.
Scorched Evil The Silent Rage FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.21 04:43:00 - [145] I have alot of respect for GoonSwarm regardless of if they started with a reputation as being nubs. Plain and simple they did what everyone said they could never do, and for that I give props. Guess its the end of Band of Developers... Ready for the RAGE? Join The Silent Rage Today! Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

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