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Noreen Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.19 05:34:00 - [1] I'm going to tell you what we learned first hand in ASCN after fighting BoB for months, we were nicknamed "hobbits", but we managed to keep a pvp force at bay, these are our findings. THIS PART IS MEANT FOR FCs 1) BoB only engages when they think they have an advantage to win, forget your pride and regroup, ONLY fight on your terms, forgot about honor, its about winning, your enemy doesnt care, neither should you, your responsibility if to keep your fleet alive and complete your objective. 2) They have spies on your TS/VENT, have people in dedicated to filtering people who arent supposed to be there. 3) BoB uses game mechanics thanks to their buddy CCP well, they know where the server nodes are, other mechanics which arent exploits but do give them upper hand, learn this from them and adapt ASAP. Use game mechanics to your own advantage, CCP thinks its ok, so screw em! 4) You decide to have an OP, FIX a time for it, 16:00 GMT, then 16:00 GMT it is , not 16:15, not 16:30, DONT bore your fleet, DONT wait by POS, pew pew is what keeps your fleet alive and numbers up, lack of it only makes station jokeys and game quitters. 5) AS AN FC UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE SHOULD YOU MAKE A MOVE WITH CAPITAL SHIPS UNLESS YOU HAVE EYES ON THE NEAREST BOB FLEET, THEIR HEADING AND SHIPTYPES!!!!!!!!!! The second your dreads undock, your on borrowed time. THIS PART IS MEANT FOR CEOS 1) I dont pay 15bucks a month to hear you scream at me, 15 evemails a day to get my butt on the move when I've already spent every isk on the frontline while other corpmate is mining in his hulk is not encouraging, DO NOT SPAM EVEMAIL! 2) Support your players, They are spending isk/time for the cause, MAKE SURE your directors are pulling their weight, often CEOs work like horses and directors go MIA in wartimes, the ones that are missing, KICK! A pvper will always be able to mine, a miner cannnot pvp, get that through your head. THIS PART IS MEANT FOR ALLIANCE LEVEL LEADERSHIP 1) Your alliance reads the crap on EvE-O, get off your high horse and post some propoganda on here, Fill these forums with YOUR posts, not BoB's. You want to win in EvE, start on the Forums. 2) You DONT have any secrets from BoB, they have spies in at director level, BoB knows before you reveal your secret plans to your own alliance, get off your high horse and do something about it, POS rights only to CEOs. (ASCN did this way too late, look where it is now) 3) your alliance is not fighting alone and frankly cant! get it! ok! get on the horn with the other alliances, dont care if you dont get along, its not the time, unless you wanna go back to empire. THIS PART IS WHAT WORKS AGAINST BOB 1) BoB cannot HOLD more then 1 system at a time. (they fleet max size is 175) 2) BoB cannot ATTACK more then 1 system at a time. 3) GANK their pets to hell, they will provide you with enough loot 4) BoB slaves only interested in veld and isk, they dont care and would easily turn on BoB if they thought it was in their interest, Make it so. 5) BoB and BoB slaves have a symbian relationship, 1 cannot live without the other. Divide them. STATUS REPORT! BoB is in trouble, because it knows the second LV folds (4weeks or less) the south comes knocking on BoB's door, it knows the north has to be completely demoralized within 4 weeks, so here is what I suggest to the north, KEEP GANKING BoB to keep them busy, keep your dreads docked and safe because you cant win this alone, wait till the south is 100% in and then let the masacre begin, Goons are now imo the strongest force in EvE and frankly BoB fear them. BoB knows its over, its going down in blaze of glory, to them I salute as an alliance they were awesome industrialists (minus the GM thing), pvpers, friends and enemies, To Most people who hate BoB, I say dont hate the player, hate the game, CCP has allowed players to abuse game mechanics, use exploits, never documented their game, BoB just took advantage of a bad situation, but it CCP that allowed it.
Abominog Gallente Pyrrhon's Salvage Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.19 05:40:00 - [2] interesting
Astral Knight	Posted - 2007.02.19 05:46:00 - [3] Edited by: Astral Knight on 19/02/2007 05:43:02 nvm
Raivi Explosion Matrix	Posted - 2007.02.19 05:50:00 - [4] Edited by: Raivi on 19/02/2007 05:46:32 Originally by: Noreen 1) BoB cannot HOLD more then 1 system at a time. (they fleet max size is 175) 2) BoB cannot ATTACK more then 1 system at a time. It seems to me that this is going to be the key to the outcome of the war. If BoB can keep up their mad rush from system to system saving the day then they can hold out almost indefinitely. If their opposition can time attacks and POS assaults to occur at the same time then some of those attacks can succeed. BoB as a group is very very good at this, but they can only be in one place at a time. If they can continue using the Titans and fast fleet movement to keep on top of their opponents then they will win, if they start falling behind they lose. ----------------------------------------- Explosion Matrix: Our Name Makes No Sense
Samirol OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.02.19 05:52:00 - [5] interesting rant Listen to Dev Radio!
Roland 99 Minmatar Battlestars Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 05:53:00 - [6] Good and unfortunately true info. thanks for the post _______
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.19 05:53:00 - [7] You left us off the list. Signature quote removed - It was too much for my little virgin eyes. Jacques([email protected])
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.02.19 05:54:00 - [8] Well.. I'd venture to say that there is a lot of sound advice in there. Good post. If the coalition manage to keep it together and remain focused on the end objective... BoB is screwed.
R0ot InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 05:56:00 - [9] Originally by: Noreen 3) GANK their pets to hell, they will provide you with enough loot Didn't ASCN do the same thing? Originally by: Noreen 4) BoB slaves only interested in veld and isk, they dont care and would easily turn on BoB if they thought it was in their interest, Make it so. Lies, i like kermite Originally by: Noreen 5) BoB and BoB slaves have a symbian relationship, 1 cannot live without the other. Divide them. I think you mean symbiont as symbian sounds more like a 'toy' i've heard of... tbh m8 all the above stuff you've stated should be known by any half decent alliance (first one to say "your alliance definately isn't half decent then r0ot" will get a right smacking) out there. D2 are a half decent alliance and should know these things then. And m8 please for the love of the jovian gods stop posting all this "we are hostile to Bob" announcements as NOBODY CARES, sorry but you need to be told the truth, every one of these corps and half witted individuals jumping on the anti-bob bandwagon and posting a new thread every damn time, its really getting irritating. finally apologies for posting this Moe but by jovian gods do we have some moronic people in this Universe. nuff said... ___________________________________________________________________
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.19 05:57:00 - [10] Quote: 1) Your alliance reads the crap on EvE-O, get off your high horse and post some propoganda on here, Fill these forums with YOUR posts, not BoB's. You want to win in EvE, start on the Forums. snip sig removed, email mods@ccpgames with a link to the sig for more info - Ductoris
Liabrath Gallente Argent Industries	Posted - 2007.02.19 05:58:00 - [11] Evemail ftw! === === === === === If I win an auction, please send me a contract link by EvE mail.
Matrices Reborn Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:00:00 - [12] Edited by: Matrices Reborn on 19/02/2007 05:58:15 First decent ASCN analysis by leadership I've seen. Sadly that includes all the time I was fighting in ASCN. But yes, the basic truth about BoB's weakness is its inability to deal with two big fleets in two different areas. If you try to blob one area you will lose to (a) lag, (b) BoB's knowledge of how to work with lag, and (c) their superior mastery of fleet warfare. Best thing to do to be honest is to stop wasting time with FIX and Querious - seriously. Use Razor and Iron to hit BoB directly. The tenant corps don't provide a significant amount of BoB's income at all. And they don't really matter combat-wise either. Believe me, I spent 8 weeks topping ASCN killboards solo ganking the tenants and it didn't make a thin dime's worth of difference where it matters. BoB's T2 production POS, however, are key. Scout all those out and destroy them; they can't defend them all at once against 2 or 3 alliances.
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:01:00 - [13] Who would of thought good sense needed to be stated so fiercly.
Nooey Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:07:00 - [14] Edited by: Nooey on 19/02/2007 06:04:12 Originally by: Noreen 1)...ONLY fight on your terms Isn't compatible with... Quote: 4)...DONT bore your fleet, DONT wait by POS If you want to win, your fleet needs to have discipline first, a desire to be entertained second. The entertainment success brings is far better than the fleeting enjoyment you get from a senseless "leeroy". [quote[3)...they know where the server nodes are London? Quote: other mechanics which arent exploits but do give them upper hand Anyone can use the mechanics, they're not available to just one side. What gives them the upper hand is their vast knowledge of them and possible ways to work them into overarching strategies. Once again, knowledge of all mechanics is equally available, you don't need to have GM friends to know how aggression timers work, for example. Quote: 4) BoB slaves only interested in veld and isk, they dont care and would easily turn on BoB if they thought it was in their interest This one's a bit off. You're speaking on behalf of all of BoB's allies. A bit dubious of an assertion, honestly. Yes, the "pets" are protecting their own interests, but if that is the case, then you can't also say that they'll turn around and destroy those interests. Also, has it occured to you that people fighting in this war are possibly doing it for the fun of it too, and not just because they want to have a home to go home and mine in at the end of the day? This is a massive war, lots of people need to appreciate it more for what it is, a part of eve history and a chance to get in on some great fights - it is not singularly "The War to Protect my Corporations Veldspar Mining Rights" Quote: hate the game I understand the sentiment here, but honestly, do you realise what you're also saying here? Hate the game? How about "Enjoy the game"? The rest of the stuff is fairly decent and I can't really fault as advice, but some of the stuff was a bit bizarre/off. And yeah, lol @ Symbian.
Eddie Hybrid Syndicate Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:10:00 - [15] Good post and a loth of truth in it Originally by: Riddari -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OFFICIAL BOB wins EVE-OFFLINE Lets see how EVE-ONLINE goes.
Zadir Gallente Twizted Holdings Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:10:00 - [16] uhm yeah....Nvm
Roland 99 Minmatar Battlestars Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:15:00 - [17] I bet if that was posted by BoD it wouldn't have been sniipped This is like fighting the communist party _______
Darc Kaahar Gallente North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:15:00 - [18] Originally by: R0ot I think you mean symbiont as symbian sounds more like a 'toy' i've heard of... Do you mean sylvanian families, Those cute charming collectable characters? Man I really wanted them for my 7th birthday, but I got a gammy GI Joe instead, later I ate too much ice cream and got sick in my mothers knicker drawer.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:16:00 - [19] Edited by: Plutoinum on 19/02/2007 06:12:19 Originally by: Nooey If you want to win, your fleet needs to have discipline first, a desire to be instantly gratified a distant second. The entertainment that a meaningful success brings is far better than the fleeting enjoyment you get from a senseless "leeroy". Actually this is true. Especially if some of your guys have problems to replace their ships already, a senseless leroy will result in people not bringing their more expensive equipment anymore or just not joining up for gangs with people, who have leroyed too often. The best fights are of course, when you win outnumbered, but several leroys in a row, people losing expensive stuff and the morale is down. _______ I came, I read, I lol'ed.
R0ot InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:16:00 - [20] Originally by: Darc Kaahar Originally by: R0ot I think you mean symbiont as symbian sounds more like a 'toy' i've heard of... Do you mean sylvanian families, Those cute charming collectable characters? Man I really wanted them for my 7th birthday, but I got a gammy GI Joe instead, later I ate too much ice cream and got sick in my mothers knicker drawer. Yeah sure Darc m8, thats exactly what i mean... ___________________________________________________________________
Darc Kaahar Gallente North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:20:00 - [21] Originally by: R0ot Originally by: Darc Kaahar Originally by: R0ot I think you mean symbiont as symbian sounds more like a 'toy' i've heard of... Do you mean sylvanian families, Those cute charming collectable characters? Man I really wanted them for my 7th birthday, but I got a gammy GI Joe instead, later I ate too much ice cream and got sick in my mothers knicker drawer. Yeah sure Darc m8, thats exactly what i mean... Well what 'toy' does it remind you of so? I'm intrigued.
Iva Soreass FireStar Inc Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:21:00 - [22] Originally by: Noreen I'm going to tell you what we learned first hand in ASCN after fighting BoB for months, we were nicknamed "hobbits", but we managed to keep a pvp force at bay, these are our findings. How long did that war last ? How did you keep them at bay if "ASCN" is no more ? ----------------------------------------------- http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4317/creditcard22es4.jpg Please keep your signature below the 24000 bytes limit.- Thx Pirlouit
Mimiru Gallente BIG Advanced Assault Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:26:00 - [23] Thanks for telling us everything we already knew? --------- Join my corp! shoot people!
Spinnukur Beyond-Redemption Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:27:00 - [24] Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio Who would of thought good sense needed to be stated so fiercly. Uh, huh...wait, aren't you a BOB slave copr? I'm pretty sure you guys were running away from SMASH today in HED... Great post Nor, common sense is common sense, but people tend to be stupid when they post on EVE forums.
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:28:00 - [25] Hmm nice read and good advice :) Galactic Express Recruitment Post Thoughts expressed are mine and
Admentus Cor'vion Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:30:00 - [26] You are providing sound advice, but methinks that lack of that "military" infrastructure and maybe having the wrong people for the jobs. Quote: In war, then, let your great object be victory, not lengthy campaigns. Quote: Thus it may be known that the leader of armies is the arbiter of the people's fate, the man on whom it depends whether the nation shall be in peace or in peril. Quote: Hence it is only the enlightened and wise general who will use the highest intelligence of the army for purposes of spying and thereby they achieve great results. Spies are the most important asset, because on them depends an army's ability to march. Quote: There are three ways in which a ruler can bring misfortune upon his army:-- a) By commanding the army to advance or to retreat, being ignorant of the fact that it cannot obey. This is called hobbling the army. b) By attempting to govern an army in the same way as he administers a kingdom, being ignorant of the conditions which obtain in an army. This causes restlessness in the soldier's minds. c) By employing the officers of his army without discrimination, [That is, he is not careful to use the right man in the right place.] through ignorance of the military principle of adaptation to circumstances. This shakes the confidence of the soldiers. Be mindful, the advice that you offer is fine, but your advice comes quite late, and in a forum which may concoct a notion of scrambling to disseminate information. I would hope lines of communication are not so poor?
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:39:00 - [27] [ Is all I got to say :pirate:] Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Spinnukur Beyond-Redemption Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:41:00 - [28] Originally by: Iva Soreass Originally by: Noreen I'm going to tell you what we learned first hand in ASCN after fighting BoB for months, we were nicknamed "hobbits", but we managed to keep a pvp force at bay, these are our findings. How long did that war last ? How did you keep them at bay if "ASCN" is no more ? Because ASCN lost there will to fight, they did keep them at bay, the majority of ASCN's players just didn't want to do it anymore.
ph33rf4ct0ry Minmatar Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:44:00 - [29] New twist on the old but favorite "why can people help us beat bob". This from a disenfranchised alliance who utterly failed to deliver on all fronts. There might be some truths in that statement but it's hard to take advise on winning from a looser. Member of the POST WITH YOUR MAIN SOCIETY
Dufas Amarr Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 06:44:00 - [30] If your info is so useful..why are u posting from empire and attacking bob allies worked well for u didnt it __________

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