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CCP Larrikin C C P C C P Alliance 441	Posted - 2016.04.25 16:15:07 - [1] - Quote Hi M8s, We're making huge changes to capitals with the Citadels expansion. Most of these changes are on Sisi now and we'd love you to get on there and help us with testing! Notes: All combat capitals have reduced base Shields/Armor/Hull. There are now capital armor plates and capital shield extenders that you should use to increase the buffer of your capital ship. We've introduced new High Angle Weaponry, these are the 'Quad Mega Pulse Laser', 'Quad 800mm Repeating Cannon', 'Triple Neutron Blaster Cannon' and 'Rapid Torpedo Launcher'. The siege module has been changed and now includes the following resistances/bonuses 75-80% bonus to Sensor Dampener resistance (T1/T2) 75-80% bonus to Weapon Disruption resistance (T1/T2) 400-500% bonus to Sensor Strength (T1/T2) 80% increase to Remote Electronic Assistance impedance 100% increase to Remote Repair impedance All of these changes are on Sisi, and we'd appreciate you jumping on and helping to test them! The current stats we're looking at: Revelation Amarr Dreadnought bonuses (per skill level): 5% bonus to Capital Energy Turret damage 4% bonus to all armor resistances 10% reduction in Capital Energy Turret activation cost Role Bonus: Can fit Siege modules 5x penalty to Entosis Link duration Stats (before skills): Slot layout: 5H, 4M, 8L Hardpoints (turret / launcher): 3 / 0 Fittings: 780,000 PWG, 615 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 78,100 / 113,000 / 113,000 Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 0 / 20 / 40 / 50 Base armor resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 50 / 35 / 25 / 20 Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 60,000 / 4400s / 13.63 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 75 / 0.042 / 1,350,000,000 / 78.6s Fleet Hanger (bay): 10,000 Cargo Bay: 2,175m3 Ship Hanger: 1,000,000m3 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 97.5km / 80 / 7 Sensor strength: 41 Signature radius: 11,100 Phoenix Caldari Dreadnought bonuses (per skill level): 5% bonus to XL Cruse, XL Torpedo and Torpedo damage 4% bonus to all shield resistances 10% reduction in missile launcher reload time Role Bonus: Can fit Siege modules 5x penalty to Entosis Link duration Stats (before skills): Slot layout: 5H, 7M, 5L Hardpoints (turret / launcher): 0 / 3 Fittings: 500,000 PWG, 965 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 104,200 / 86,800 / 104,200 Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 0 / 20 / 40 / 50 Base armor resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 50 / 45 / 25 / 10 Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 52,500 / 3850s / 13.63 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 70 / 0.044 / 1,300,000,000 / 79.30s Fleet Hanger (bay): 10,000 Cargo Bay: 2,750m3 Ship Hanger: 1,000,000m3 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 115km / 70 / 7 Sensor strength: 48 Signature radius: 11,200 Moros Gallente Dreadnought bonuses (per skill level): 5% bonus to Capital Hybrid Turret damage 5% bonus to Capital Hybrid Turret rate of fire 5% bonus to Armor Repairer cycle time Role Bonus: Can fit Siege modules 5x penalty to Entosis Link duration Stats (before skills): Slot layout: 5H, 5M, 7L Fittings: 660,000 PWG, 750 CPU Hardpoints (turret / launcher): 3 / 0 Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 86,800 / 104,200 / 121,500 Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 0 / 20 / 40 / 50 Base armor resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 50 / 35 / 35 / 10 Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 54,500 / 4000s / 13.625 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 75 / 0.045 / 1.250,000,000 / 77.98s Fleet Hanger (bay): 10,000 Cargo Bay: 2,550m3 Ship Hanger: 1,000,000m3 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 105km / 75 / 7 Sensor strength: 44 Signature radius: 11,300 Naglfar Minmatar Dreadnought bonuses (per skill level): 5% bonus to Capital Projectile Turret damage 5% bonus to Capital Projectile Turret rate of fire 5% bonus to Shield Bosoter cycle time Role Bonus: 50% bonus to Capital Projectile Turret Damage Can fit Siege modules 5x penalty to Entosis Link duration Stats (before skills): Slot layout: 4H, 6M, 6L Hardpoints (turret / launcher): 2 / 0 Fittings: 460,000 PWG, 740 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 95,500 / 95,500 / 95,500 Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 0 / 20 / 40 / 50 Base armor resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 60 / 35 / 25 / 10 Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 50,000 / 3660s / 13.66 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 80 / 0.044 / 1,280,000,000 / 78.08s Fleet Hanger (bay): 10,000 Cargo Bay: 2,900m3 Ship Hanger: 1,000,000m3 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 92.5km / 85 / 7 Sensor strength: 39 Signature radius: 11,000 Game Designer \| Team Five-0 \| https://twitter.com/CCP_Larrikin


CCP Larrikin C C P C C P Alliance 441	Posted - 2016.04.25 16:15:15 - [2] - Quote Reserved Game Designer \| Team Five-0 \| https://twitter.com/CCP_Larrikin

Darkthemis AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 0	Posted - 2016.04.25 16:21:20 - [3] - Quote imgay
Crazy KSK Tsunami Cartel 109	Posted - 2016.04.25 16:36:16 - [4] - Quote With all the new modules and the utility highs their fitting space feels a bit cramped I suggest giving all of them about one capital modules worth of cpu/pg. Quote CCP Fozzie: ... The days of balance and forget are over.
PIagueis Moosearmy I N F A M O U S 0	Posted - 2016.04.25 16:46:37 - [5] - Quote Crazy KSK wrote: With all the new modules and the utility highs their fitting space feels a bit cramped I suggest giving all of them about one capital modules worth of cpu/pg. agreed
Traiori Soggy Biscuit. Did he say Jump 239	Posted - 2016.04.25 17:02:42 - [6] - Quote Are dreadnoughts gettnig a new build recipe? Can we have final confirmed details please?
Archeras Umangiar CRY.NET Nihilists Social Club 93	Posted - 2016.04.25 17:05:45 - [7] - Quote Ok.... (Finally.... we get ~some~ infos, and now the industrial part of the infos please?) I feel like we are having to litteraly read your minds to get any informations about the patch comming in two! (2) days
frsd No.Mercy Triumvirate. 1	Posted - 2016.04.25 17:09:26 - [8] - Quote The revs and phoenix's 3rd bonus feels kinda useless...
Vibiana Frontier Trading Company 46	Posted - 2016.04.25 17:09:57 - [9] - Quote Thats great having useless cap bonus on rev! Why you can't put there something tangible? Like damage bonus (same as other dreads) or tracking bonus (to help poor lazer tracking)?
Vardec Crom Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 14	Posted - 2016.04.25 17:22:48 - [10] - Quote The EHP reduction basically necessitates plates and LSE's, but that isn't even really the issue. As it stands now, with dreads being immobile, two titans with pikes could obliterate an entire dread fleet with ease. The DD changes have made this ship class completely obsolete in a combat role. Not to even mention the fact that SC's with shadows are going to be one shotting dreads as well.

Pathas Delusions of Adequacy Get Off My Lawn 0	Posted - 2016.04.25 17:34:52 - [11] - Quote Anyone else get the feeling that this seems a little rushed?
Wulfy Johnson NorCorp Security 83	Posted - 2016.04.25 17:53:35 - [12] - Quote Rev and Phoenix still getting a third bonus based on bad balanse on weaponsystem/ hull, whilst the 2 others gets an accual bonus. Personally i think its a messed up balanse patch where such things should have been cleared up and put in line.
Sentient Blade Crisis Atmosphere Coalition of the Unfortunate 1653	Posted - 2016.04.25 18:09:18 - [13] - Quote Wulfy Johnson wrote: Edit: i see nag is Even getting a 4'th under role bonus. That is to compensate for the others all having 3 launchers/hardpoints while the nag only has 2.
Goldensaver Lom Corporation Just let it happen 431	Posted - 2016.04.25 18:11:24 - [14] - Quote Quote: 100% increase to Remote Repair impedance Just curious because of the wording here; are dreads capable or not capable of receiving remote capacitor assistance in siege now?
Sentient Blade Crisis Atmosphere Coalition of the Unfortunate 1653	Posted - 2016.04.25 18:16:46 - [15] - Quote Goldensaver wrote: Quote: 100% increase to Remote Repair impedance Just curious because of the wording here; are dreads capable or not capable of receiving remote capacitor assistance in siege now? They never were, that was the "balance" factor on siege mode, the other being you couldn't move or jump. Combined with the new changes to refitting with a weapons timer, and a nerf to EHP, it basically means a lot more dreads will be dying.
Quesa Burning Napalm Northern Coalition. 97	Posted - 2016.04.25 18:22:47 - [16] - Quote Crazy KSK wrote: With all the new modules and the utility highs their fitting space feels a bit cramped I suggest giving all of them about one capital modules worth of cpu/pg. +1 It doesn't feel like they accounted enough for the added fitting requirements of not only the new capital mods but the introduction of T2 mods.
Goldensaver Lom Corporation Just let it happen 431	Posted - 2016.04.25 18:23:03 - [17] - Quote Sentient Blade wrote: Goldensaver wrote: Quote: 100% increase to Remote Repair impedance Just curious because of the wording here; are dreads capable or not capable of receiving remote capacitor assistance in siege now? They never were, that was the "balance" factor on siege mode, the other being you couldn't move or jump. Combined with the new changes to refitting with a weapons timer, and a nerf to EHP, it basically means a lot more dreads will be dying. I know they aren't right now. I'm asking because the vague wording does not imply capacitor assistance. So after this patch can you have cap chaining dreads? CCPls clarify. I will nitpick this because it is a very important distinction.
Panther X High Flyers Northern Coalition. 109	Posted - 2016.04.25 18:57:15 - [18] - Quote Well GG Amarr/Caldari your dreads have just been nerfed into uselessness. Why would anyone bother with them anymore when the Gallente Moros is vastly superior? The 3rd racial bonus for Rev/Phoenix is totally useless. My super smells of rich Corinthian Leather
Khaelian Osiris Deviate 1	Posted - 2016.04.25 19:03:19 - [19] - Quote Panther X wrote: Well GG Amarr/Caldari your dreads have just been nerfed into uselessness. I wasn't aware that the rev was useful to begin with. Apparently the reason for the Phoenix's reload bonus is because otherwise it'd be viable running normal torpedo launchers. I'm still mad about the Rev's bonus, considering every other dread technically gets a damage and rate bonus.
Tatsuj Khan Team Pizza Good at this Game 10	Posted - 2016.04.25 19:04:50 - [20] - Quote CCP Larrikin > when (rough date is ok) does CCP plan to mirror to Singularity? My wormhole corp is very interested in testing out these capital, citadel, and high class combate site changes, so we like to prepare ourselves for the next mirror over. Thanks

Altrue Exploration Frontier inc 2034	Posted - 2016.04.25 19:14:25 - [21] - Quote Oh wow, I'm sorry to be so blunt but, this is absolutely stupid to have the Phoenix and the Rev get a bonus that's only there due to poor stat attribution on the weapons themselves. It's like if IRL I increased the price of my goods right before having them on sale, this stuff isn't only frowned upon, it's plain old illegal... Well that's the same twisted logic you're doing here, and frankly, that's something I'd have expected from 2006 EVE, not 2016 EVE. Signature Tanking Best Tanking Retired Exploration Frontier Inc [Ex-F] CEO - Ex-BRAVE - Eve-guides.fr
xvdfhn German Angels The Unthinkables 3	Posted - 2016.04.25 19:34:31 - [22] - Quote Panther X wrote: The 3rd racial bonus for Phoenix is totally useless. While not being a cap Pilot myself, i still think that a RTL reload cycle from 40s to 20s is actually quite nice.
Thea Jones Republic University Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2016.04.25 19:37:48 - [23] - Quote I semi get the complaining but there is a slight difference as these ships main targets are changing. With the addition of T2 Weaponry, there DPS will go up dramatically. It needs a bit of a test to really see whats going on. A phoenix blasting something that is webbed and painted to death is going to be... well... painful. It would apply to all dreads to a degree though. The revelation.. dunno what to tell you there. It might make a good beginner dread :-). We don't know what scorch will truly do to it though.
Anduin Spartan The Soul Society DeepSpace. 1	Posted - 2016.04.25 19:58:29 - [24] - Quote I don't see any capital turret hard points on the build requirements for the Naglfar and why are Capital Drone Bays needed??
Judas Lonestar Stryker Industries 128	Posted - 2016.04.25 20:22:50 - [25] - Quote Vardec Crom wrote: The EHP reduction basically necessitates plates and LSE's, but that isn't even really the issue. As it stands now, with dreads being immobile, two titans with pikes could obliterate an entire dread fleet with ease. The DD changes have made this ship class completely obsolete in a combat role. Not to even mention the fact that SC's with shadows are going to be one shotting dreads as well. So much this. Supers with Shadows are so OP its laughable.
Postman EVE Postal Service 17	Posted - 2016.04.25 20:35:31 - [26] - Quote CCP Larrikin wrote: QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS Naglfar 8 x Capital Sensor Cluster 10 x Capital Computer System 21 x Capital Shield Emitter 7 x Capital Propulsion Engine 13 x Capital Construction Parts 17 x Capital Capacitor Battery 12 x Capital Armor Plates 16 x Capital Power Generator 8 x Capital Jump Drive 16 x Capital Ship Maintenance Bay 8 x Capital Corporate Hangar Bay 5 x Capital Drone Bay 25 x Capital Siege Array UPDATES 2016-25-04 Added Industrial Requirement changes How is it possible that the Naglfar numbers are the same as the Lif numbers? Copy/paste error? Here are the correct numbers: Naglfar 6 x Capital Sensor Cluster 13 x Capital Computer System 24 x Capital Shield Emitter 7 x Capital Propulsion Engine 13 x Capital Construction Parts 7 x Capital Capacitor Battery 11 x Capital Armor Plates 6 x Capital Power Generator 9 x Capital Jump Drive 16 x Capital Ship Maintenance Bay 8 x Capital Corporate Hangar Bay 28 x Capital Siege Array [*]37 x Capital Turret Hardpoint
Angry Mustache GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 257	Posted - 2016.04.25 20:44:31 - [27] - Quote The Rev and Phoenix's third bonus seems like something that should be just rolled into the hull instead of being based on Dreadnaught skill levels. 3 bonuses per skill level makes a huge difference between 5 levels in dreads and 4 levels, which is something CCP has been avoiding as of late, see Drone Interface change. An official Member of the Goonswarm Federation Complaints Department.
Zomgnomnom Royal Black Watch Highlanders White Legion. 75	Posted - 2016.04.25 20:53:50 - [28] - Quote Rev and Pheonix 3rd bonus is garbage. Rev especially. You Shouldn't have to lose a combat bonus just for the ship to function.
dexter xio Zero Fun Allowed 110	Posted - 2016.04.25 20:55:29 - [29] - Quote awesome thanks ccp :D Dead Game.
Plz Nomad Zero Fun Allowed 1	Posted - 2016.04.25 20:58:02 - [30] - Quote Naglfar and moros cycle time bonuses should be changed to amount so they have the same bonus as their FAX counterparts. (look at rev - apostle, fenix - w/e caldari fax is called).

Panther X High Flyers Northern Coalition. 109	Posted - 2016.04.25 21:00:38 - [31] - Quote Altrue wrote: Oh wow, I'm sorry to be so blunt but, this is absolutely stupid to have the Phoenix and the Rev get a bonus that's only there due to poor stat attribution on the weapons themselves. It's like if IRL I increased the price of my goods right before having them on sale, this stuff isn't only frowned upon, it's plain old illegal... Well that's the same twisted logic you're doing here, and frankly, that's something I'd have expected from 2006 EVE, not 2016 EVE. Not to mention, guess what, that they also get the useless resistance bonus... On a ship that doesn't have the ability to receive remote assistance 90% of the time! That's a huge plus wahn from me. There should be a balance on Rev and Phoenix to bring them back into de rigeur. I love the torp phoenix as a pos killer, massive damage per volley, but its poor rate of fire makes its use negligible. Sure it will reload fast though! And the Rev will not use so much cap doing no damage whatsoever. Fantastic. You see where I'm going with this? Yet the Moros gets a damage multiplier AND a rate of fire bonus, while hybrids get to take advantage of their natural fast reload timer. Oh don't forget they get a local rep bonus too. All plus no minus. I'm sorry but if there's balance in this I fail to see it. My super smells of rich Corinthian Leather
DmitryEKT AMMO INC 148	Posted - 2016.04.25 21:06:15 - [32] - Quote @CCP: Please post stats on the new weapons and modules. I can't find them anywhere. Not in patch notes, not in any thread...
Mizhir TURN LEFT 74749	Posted - 2016.04.25 21:13:16 - [33] - Quote The cap reduction and reloard bonus of Rev and Phoenix are inferior to the RoF bonus of the other dreads. But they get a much better tank bonus instead (except burst repair), so I think it evens out. It also follows CCP's design strategy where Gallente and Minmatar ships are more offensive and more geared towards active tanking while the Amarr and Caldari ones shine in larger fleets due to better tank. However that doesn't rule out inbalance and it does seem rather rushed (even though these changes have been on Sisi for a while now). Like the ASB Phoenix is going to be a ***** now. One Man Crew - Collective Solo PVP - Video is out!
Panther X High Flyers Northern Coalition. 109	Posted - 2016.04.25 21:14:25 - [34] - Quote Thea Jones wrote: I semi get the complaining but there is a slight difference as these ships main targets are changing. With the addition of T2 Weaponry, there DPS will go up dramatically. It needs a bit of a test to really see whats going on. A phoenix blasting something that is webbed and painted to death is going to be... well... painful. It would apply to all dreads to a degree though. The revelation.. dunno what to tell you there. It might make a good beginner dread :-). We don't know what scorch will truly do to it though. Without a damage application bonus, nothing. The cap usage bonus can be mitigated by fit or implants. Give me a damage application bonus, I will worry about cap when I run out. My super smells of rich Corinthian Leather
Braxton Tscharke Row Row Fight the Power Test Alliance Please Ignore 9	Posted - 2016.04.25 21:15:04 - [35] - Quote Awwww DID YOU BREAK MY PHEONIX AGAIN?!?
Panther X High Flyers Northern Coalition. 109	Posted - 2016.04.25 21:17:58 - [36] - Quote Mizhir wrote: The cap reduction and reloard bonus of Rev and Phoenix are inferior to the RoF bonus of the other dreads. But they get a much better tank bonus instead (except burst repair), so I think it evens out. It also follows CCP's design strategy where Gallente and Minmatar ships are more offensive and more geared towards active tanking while the Amarr and Caldari ones shine in larger fleets due to better tank. However that doesn't rule out inbalance and it does seem rather rushed (even though these changes have been on Sisi for a while now). Like the ASB Phoenix is going to be a ***** now. Not really, better damage application beats tank. Dreads are meant to be throwaway. My super smells of rich Corinthian Leather
Credacom The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 51	Posted - 2016.04.25 21:20:21 - [37] - Quote Came expecting a rev buff.... Sadly very disappointed. There is still much work to be done on this. Still no reason to Fly a revelation, bad CCP.
Panther X High Flyers Northern Coalition. 109	Posted - 2016.04.25 21:24:22 - [38] - Quote Credacom wrote: Came expecting a rev buff.... Sadly very disappointed. There is still much work to be done on this. Still no reason to Fly a revelation, bad CCP. I think the Amarr just wanted something to soak up damage for their Aeons when there are no Nyx's on their side. "Shields? What shields? Oh you mean the Nyx next to me." Maybe the Blood Raider Rev will be ballzout awesome. My super smells of rich Corinthian Leather
O'nira Hotline K162 The Clown Car 82	Posted - 2016.04.25 21:53:32 - [39] - Quote either make it so that you can repackage stuff in your fleet hangar or nag is the only usable dread because of 2 guns vs 3 and them taking 4k m3 each
Faren Shalni Noble Sentiments Second Empire. 164	Posted - 2016.04.25 22:02:27 - [40] - Quote rev still sucks. phoenix looks okay but not that impressive. moros is a moros and the nag is the best dread for wspace. BECAUSE IT ONLY HAS 2 GUNS It can overheat for longer which is a massive thing in capital v capital brawls in wspace. seriously give it 3 guns otherwise its going to have an instant advantage over all the other dreads. So Much Space

Rivr Luzade Kenshin. DARKNESS. 2462	Posted - 2016.04.25 22:09:44 - [41] - Quote Panther X wrote: Credacom wrote: Came expecting a rev buff.... Sadly very disappointed. There is still much work to be done on this. Still no reason to Fly a revelation, bad CCP. I think the Amarr just wanted something to soak up damage for their Aeons when there are no Nyx's on their side. "Shields? What shields? Oh you mean the Nyx next to me." Maybe the Blood Raider Rev will be ballzout awesome. For 5x the price? These balls need to be really huge. I doubt that a neutralizer bonus on a Rev is going to be anything but horrible to be fair. UI Improvement Collective My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Sigras Conglomo 1108	Posted - 2016.04.25 22:21:58 - [42] - Quote Credacom wrote: Came expecting a rev buff.... Sadly very disappointed. There is still much work to be done on this. Still no reason to Fly a revelation, bad CCP. I have two words for you... Scorch Ammo Scorch does like 6K DPS at 105 km
Alexis Nightwish 432	Posted - 2016.04.25 22:30:40 - [43] - Quote So every single capital and super you've revised has the exact same shield resists. Why? CCP approaches problems in one of two ways: nudge or cludge EVE Online's "I win!" Button Fixing bombs, not the bombers
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3417	Posted - 2016.04.25 22:31:10 - [44] - Quote Are you really posting a thread asking for feedback TWO DAYS before patch day? Is this actually what I'm looking at here? Post on the Eve-o forums with a Goonswarm Federation character that drinking bleach is bad for you, and 20 forum warriors will hospitalise themselves trying to prove you wrong.
unidenify Plundering Penguins Solyaris Chtonium 180	Posted - 2016.04.25 22:38:05 - [45] - Quote am wondering what stop dread from put capital NOS and use it on their fleet FAX for cap
Alexis Nightwish 432	Posted - 2016.04.25 22:47:46 - [46] - Quote Scatim Helicon wrote: Are you really posting a thread asking for feedback TWO DAYS before patch day? Is this actually what I'm looking at here? I think you may be mistaken about what the purpose of the "Upcoming Feature and Change Feedback Center" forum is. It's for devs to provide feedback to the players of upcoming features and changes that will happen. It is not where devs present possible changes to the playerbase to solicit our feedback. The wording is misleading. I wish it was just titled "Stuff that's coming out. Deal with it." CCP approaches problems in one of two ways: nudge or cludge EVE Online's "I win!" Button Fixing bombs, not the bombers
PinkKnife Raising the Bar Of Sound Mind 519	Posted - 2016.04.25 22:59:32 - [47] - Quote Any plans to adjust the Moros' ridiculous range advantage? Or to make XL rails/Beams worth a damn? I don't mind the bonus changes, but if you're rebalancing the weapon systems, the lack of purpose for the longer range turrets needs to be looked at. With Scorch reaching out to 100km, there's literally no reason to run Beams. Not that there was much of one to start with. Also, Moros reaching out to 80km is absurd.
exiik Shardani Terpene Conglomerate 56	Posted - 2016.04.26 00:08:51 - [48] - Quote revelation still needs more love :-) + 125m3 dronebandwidth (inspiration from Devoter, it is only one drone HIC) sry for my English :-(
Phoenix Jones Small-Arms Fire 1610	Posted - 2016.04.26 00:34:54 - [49] - Quote exiik Shardani wrote: revelation still needs more love :-) + 125m3 dronebandwidth (inspiration from Devoter, it is only one drone HIC) That isn't going to do a thing for the ship. Remember dreads now have faster locks. Sub cap and cap weapons, t2, grapplers.... Let's see what scorch does. Let's see what these new weapons do before saying it sucks. Yaay!!!!
Goldensaver Lom Corporation Just let it happen 431	Posted - 2016.04.26 00:42:08 - [50] - Quote Alexis Nightwish wrote: So every single capital and super you've revised has the exact same shield resists. Why? Probably because just about every T1 ship has the same shield resists...? It's armour resists that get racial flavouring. Not shields.

Lyron-Baktos Snuff Box Snuffed Out 490	Posted - 2016.04.26 00:54:33 - [51] - Quote Quote: 10% reduction in Capital Energy Turret activation cost Why is this still a thing? This sucked in 2012 and it sucks now
twit brent The Scope Gallente Federation 52	Posted - 2016.04.26 01:13:47 - [52] - Quote "10% reduction in Capital Energy Turret activation cost" Seriously cannot believe this is still going to be a thing. 13 years and you still can't think of something better.
twit brent The Scope Gallente Federation 52	Posted - 2016.04.26 01:31:07 - [53] - Quote To show you how bad these bonuses truly are. For training your Amarr dread from lvl 1 to lvl 5 your dps goes up 19% For training Gallente Dread from lvl 1 to lvl 5 your DPS goes up 58.33%
Inslander Wessette Killers of Paranoid Souls Imminent Threat 28	Posted - 2016.04.26 03:52:04 - [54] - Quote Crazy KSK wrote: With all the new modules and the utility highs their fitting space feels a bit cramped I suggest giving all of them about one capital modules worth of cpu/pg. I agree . After testing on sisi . I feel both cpu/powergrid highly cramped on Naglfar .
Inslander Wessette Killers of Paranoid Souls Imminent Threat 28	Posted - 2016.04.26 03:57:17 - [55] - Quote twit brent wrote: To show you how bad these bonuses truly are. For training your Amarr dread from lvl 1 to lvl 5 your dps goes up 19% For training Gallente Dread from lvl 1 to lvl 5 your DPS goes up 58.33% You are comparing the wrong bonuses . If you compared the dps. Then compare the bonus to tank as well :P. You will see the Revelation a lot more superior on tank compared to moros . What the revelation needs is a tracking bonus so that we can use them as sniper dreads .
Inslander Wessette Killers of Paranoid Souls Imminent Threat 28	Posted - 2016.04.26 04:03:05 - [56] - Quote PinkKnife wrote: Any plans to adjust the Moros' ridiculous range advantage? Or to make XL rails/Beams worth a damn? I don't mind the bonus changes, but if you're rebalancing the weapon systems, the lack of purpose for the longer range turrets needs to be looked at. With Scorch reaching out to 100km, there's literally no reason to run Beams. Not that there was much of one to start with. Also, Moros reaching out to 80km is absurd. i think the 80 on moros is fine . What needs to be done is boost the lock range of the dreads and make the rails and beams fire upto 200 + km . This will atleast keep them at par with carriers being able to deploy fighters from far off .
Jarnis McPieksu Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 575	Posted - 2016.04.26 05:35:56 - [57] - Quote PinkKnife wrote: Any plans to adjust the Moros' ridiculous range advantage? Or to make XL rails/Beams worth a damn? I don't mind the bonus changes, but if you're rebalancing the weapon systems, the lack of purpose for the longer range turrets needs to be looked at. With Scorch reaching out to 100km, there's literally no reason to run Beams. Not that there was much of one to start with. Also, Moros reaching out to 80km is absurd. Ooo, you will be surprised. LR guns may turn out to be actually useful. Because of nanocarriers / nanoFAXes. No joke. Capital prop mods -> carriers doing 1000m/s. Oh, you sieged? We'll just kite you to 200km and send out these fighter clouds of doom at you while you sit still there and play with your short range guns.
Postman EVE Postal Service 17	Posted - 2016.04.26 06:00:32 - [58] - Quote Jarnis McPieksu wrote: PinkKnife wrote: Any plans to adjust the Moros' ridiculous range advantage? Or to make XL rails/Beams worth a damn? I don't mind the bonus changes, but if you're rebalancing the weapon systems, the lack of purpose for the longer range turrets needs to be looked at. With Scorch reaching out to 100km, there's literally no reason to run Beams. Not that there was much of one to start with. Also, Moros reaching out to 80km is absurd. Ooo, you will be surprised. LR guns may turn out to be actually useful. Because of nanocarriers / nanoFAXes. No joke. Capital prop mods -> carriers doing 1000m/s. Oh, you sieged? We'll just kite you to 200km and send out these fighter clouds of doom at you while you sit still there and play with your short range guns. Carriers can actually target and engage well over 10000km away. Sure it will take forever for the fighters to reach the target but with a static non moving object like a dread this matters little. Even more so for Citadels and POS. It will take more tackle support then ever and a lot of relocating to counter this.
Rek Seven Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 2211	Posted - 2016.04.26 06:50:17 - [59] - Quote Finally what too so? I don't know about the others but the Moros simply does not have enough pg, to make any good fits using the new mods. The mass of all dreads needs to be reduced so that the additional mass added from plates does not mess up wormhole travel. The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Bagdh Dearg Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 0	Posted - 2016.04.26 07:21:45 - [60] - Quote Are we still getting the changes to the Siege module detailed in the CapitalFocusGroup thread? Quote: Everything else about these is staying the same (repair bonus etc). Except we've removed the Scan Res penalty, Number of Locked Targets Penalty, and the Target Loss on Activation (not sure about that last one, it might come back).

Lugh Crow-Slave 2296	Posted - 2016.04.26 08:31:12 - [61] - Quote Rek Seven wrote: Finally what too so? I don't know about the others but the Moros simply does not have enough pg, to make any good fits using the new mods. The mass of all dreads needs to be reduced so that the additional mass added from plates does not mess up wormhole travel. Wh mass should be changing iirc Citadel worm hole tax
Lugh Crow-Slave 2296	Posted - 2016.04.26 08:33:08 - [62] - Quote Postman wrote: Jarnis McPieksu wrote: PinkKnife wrote: Any plans to adjust the Moros' ridiculous range advantage? Or to make XL rails/Beams worth a damn? I don't mind the bonus changes, but if you're rebalancing the weapon systems, the lack of purpose for the longer range turrets needs to be looked at. With Scorch reaching out to 100km, there's literally no reason to run Beams. Not that there was much of one to start with. Also, Moros reaching out to 80km is absurd. Ooo, you will be surprised. LR guns may turn out to be actually useful. Because of nanocarriers / nanoFAXes. No joke. Capital prop mods -> carriers doing 1000m/s. Oh, you sieged? We'll just kite you to 200km and send out these fighter clouds of doom at you while you sit still there and play with your short range guns. Carriers can actually target and engage well over 10000km away. Sure it will take forever for the fighters to reach the target but with a static non moving object like a dread this matters little. Even more so for Citadels and POS. It will take more tackle support then ever and a lot of relocating to counter this. Umm carriers can't really hurt dreads or structures and even if your fighters lived long enough to make that trip over half of your dps is limited to 8 shots then you need to fly them all the way back. The effective range for a carrier is about 80-90km Citadel worm hole tax
Morrigan LeSante Black Omega Security The OSS 1381	Posted - 2016.04.26 08:41:47 - [63] - Quote Postman wrote: Jarnis McPieksu wrote: PinkKnife wrote: Any plans to adjust the Moros' ridiculous range advantage? Or to make XL rails/Beams worth a damn? I don't mind the bonus changes, but if you're rebalancing the weapon systems, the lack of purpose for the longer range turrets needs to be looked at. With Scorch reaching out to 100km, there's literally no reason to run Beams. Not that there was much of one to start with. Also, Moros reaching out to 80km is absurd. Ooo, you will be surprised. LR guns may turn out to be actually useful. Because of nanocarriers / nanoFAXes. No joke. Capital prop mods -> carriers doing 1000m/s. Oh, you sieged? We'll just kite you to 200km and send out these fighter clouds of doom at you while you sit still there and play with your short range guns. Carriers can actually target and engage well over 10000km away. Sure it will take forever for the fighters to reach the target but with a static non moving object like a dread this matters little. Even more so for Citadels and POS. It will take more tackle support then ever and a lot of relocating to counter this. Your name is ironic because real post would arrive BEFORE fighters over those ranges.
Alpheias Euphoria Released WE FORM V0LTA 8992	Posted - 2016.04.26 08:50:41 - [64] - Quote Morrigan LeSante wrote: Postman wrote: Jarnis McPieksu wrote: PinkKnife wrote: Any plans to adjust the Moros' ridiculous range advantage? Or to make XL rails/Beams worth a damn? I don't mind the bonus changes, but if you're rebalancing the weapon systems, the lack of purpose for the longer range turrets needs to be looked at. With Scorch reaching out to 100km, there's literally no reason to run Beams. Not that there was much of one to start with. Also, Moros reaching out to 80km is absurd. Ooo, you will be surprised. LR guns may turn out to be actually useful. Because of nanocarriers / nanoFAXes. No joke. Capital prop mods -> carriers doing 1000m/s. Oh, you sieged? We'll just kite you to 200km and send out these fighter clouds of doom at you while you sit still there and play with your short range guns. Carriers can actually target and engage well over 10000km away. Sure it will take forever for the fighters to reach the target but with a static non moving object like a dread this matters little. Even more so for Citadels and POS. It will take more tackle support then ever and a lot of relocating to counter this. Your name is ironic because real post would arrive BEFORE fighters over those ranges. But for deliveries on time, I wouldn't rely on the postal services. Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord. Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Morrigan LeSante Black Omega Security The OSS 1381	Posted - 2016.04.26 09:06:25 - [65] - Quote I wouldn't relay on fighters either mate Point blank FTW (or the minnie carriers)
Lugh Crow-Slave 2296	Posted - 2016.04.26 09:10:47 - [66] - Quote Morrigan LeSante wrote: I wouldn't relay on fighters either mate Point blank FTW (or the minnie carriers) Dreads are better than carriers in almost every way. Carriers look like they were pre-nerffed hopefully this means there will be number tweaking between now and summer Citadel worm hole tax
Terrorfrodo Renegade Hobbits for Mordor 733	Posted - 2016.04.26 09:26:47 - [67] - Quote I don't know how bad the new Revelation is really going to be... but remember that the Rev was by far the best dread for many years until the last major rebalancing. I guess that is the reason why CCP has no problem with it being the weakest dread for a few more years. Eventually there will be another rebalance that will make the Moros suck again and the Rev superior ;) Lesson is: Just train all dreads to V, then you don't have to care :p .
Vibiana Frontier Trading Company 47	Posted - 2016.04.26 09:43:13 - [68] - Quote Terrorfrodo wrote: I don't know how bad the new Revelation is really going to be... but remember that the Rev was by far the best dread for many years until the last major rebalancing. I guess that is the reason why CCP has no problem with it being the weakest dread for a few more years. Eventually there will be another rebalance that will make the Moros suck again and the Rev superior ;) Lesson is: Just train all dreads to V, then you don't have to care :p I love the looks of my Sarum Rev, and hate vertical pile of junk. FC what do? Base Cap/s is better in nag than in rev. All prise minmatar cap supremacy!
Terrorfrodo Renegade Hobbits for Mordor 733	Posted - 2016.04.26 09:54:06 - [69] - Quote Well then I guess for you the price of beauty is suffering (from poor stats) .

CCP Larrikin C C P C C P Alliance 443	Posted - 2016.04.26 09:56:45 - [70] - Quote Anduin Spartan wrote: I don't see any capital turret hard points on the build requirements for the Naglfar and why are Capital Drone Bays needed?? Postman wrote: How is it possible that the Naglfar numbers are the same as the Lif numbers? Copy/paste error? Yes, copy/paste error, thanks for catching it guys :) Game Designer \| Team Five-0 \| https://twitter.com/CCP_Larrikin



CCP Larrikin C C P C C P Alliance 444	Posted - 2016.04.26 10:02:58 - [71] - Quote Bagdh Dearg wrote: Are we still getting the changes to the Siege module detailed in the CapitalFocusGroup thread? Quote: Everything else about these is staying the same (repair bonus etc). Except we've removed the Scan Res penalty, Number of Locked Targets Penalty, and the Target Loss on Activation (not sure about that last one, it might come back). Yes it is. I'll update the OP to include this. Thanks mate. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 \| https://twitter.com/CCP_Larrikin

Bagdh Dearg Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 0	Posted - 2016.04.26 10:08:21 - [72] - Quote CCP Larrikin wrote: Bagdh Dearg wrote: Are we still getting the changes to the Siege module detailed in the CapitalFocusGroup thread? Quote: Everything else about these is staying the same (repair bonus etc). Except we've removed the Scan Res penalty, Number of Locked Targets Penalty, and the Target Loss on Activation (not sure about that last one, it might come back). Yes it is. I'll update the OP to include this. Thanks mate. Ah fantastic, thanks a lot.
Seth Quantix Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2016.04.26 10:16:15 - [73] - Quote SO maybe that's just me, but I tested out naglfar PvE. Being sensor dampened by serpentis to 15 km lock range by FRIGS felt weird. I mean, am I not supposed to be flying a giant almighty fortress, designed for annihilation and obliteration ? Just my 2 cents.
Terrorfrodo Renegade Hobbits for Mordor 734	Posted - 2016.04.26 10:18:40 - [74] - Quote Did you go into siege? Shouldn't be possible to damp you that much in siege because of stacking effects. .
Lugh Crow-Slave 2296	Posted - 2016.04.26 10:18:55 - [75] - Quote I think that is a bug. Rats curantly ignore the resistances Citadel worm hole tax
Seth Quantix Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2016.04.26 10:20:53 - [76] - Quote Terrorfrodo wrote: Did you go into siege? Shouldn't be possible to damp you that much in siege because of stacking effects. I was in siege, and yes I succeded being dampenend by 3 frigs simultaneously. What exactly do you mean ignoring resists ? they dont take the siege reduction to damp in account ?
Lugh Crow-Slave 2296	Posted - 2016.04.26 10:47:20 - [77] - Quote Seth Quantix wrote: Terrorfrodo wrote: Did you go into siege? Shouldn't be possible to damp you that much in siege because of stacking effects. I was in siege, and yes I succeded being dampenend by 3 frigs simultaneously. What exactly do you mean ignoring resists ? they dont take the siege reduction to damp in account ? Exactly not to big of a deal on dreads but marauder bastion mode also has this problem Citadel worm hole tax
Morrigan LeSante Black Omega Security The OSS 1381	Posted - 2016.04.26 11:06:09 - [78] - Quote Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: Seth Quantix wrote: Terrorfrodo wrote: Did you go into siege? Shouldn't be possible to damp you that much in siege because of stacking effects. I was in siege, and yes I succeded being dampenend by 3 frigs simultaneously. What exactly do you mean ignoring resists ? they dont take the siege reduction to damp in account ? Exactly not to big of a deal on dreads but marauder bastion mode also has this problem Bastion is 100% immunity
Lugh Crow-Slave 2296	Posted - 2016.04.26 11:10:06 - [79] - Quote Morrigan LeSante wrote: Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: Seth Quantix wrote: Terrorfrodo wrote: Did you go into siege? Shouldn't be possible to damp you that much in siege because of stacking effects. I was in siege, and yes I succeded being dampenend by 3 frigs simultaneously. What exactly do you mean ignoring resists ? they dont take the siege reduction to damp in account ? Exactly not to big of a deal on dreads but marauder bastion mode also has this problem Bastion is 100% immunity They moved it back because they could not fix the bug you can see the relevant thread on the test server feedback Citadel worm hole tax
Morrigan LeSante Black Omega Security The OSS 1381	Posted - 2016.04.26 11:11:54 - [80] - Quote Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: Morrigan LeSante wrote: Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: Seth Quantix wrote: Terrorfrodo wrote: Did you go into siege? Shouldn't be possible to damp you that much in siege because of stacking effects. I was in siege, and yes I succeded being dampenend by 3 frigs simultaneously. What exactly do you mean ignoring resists ? they dont take the siege reduction to damp in account ? Exactly not to big of a deal on dreads but marauder bastion mode also has this problem Bastion is 100% immunity They moved it back because they could not fix the bug you can see the relevant thread on the test server feedback What the ****? Bastion losing immunity?!

Lugh Crow-Slave 2297	Posted - 2016.04.26 11:37:26 - [81] - Quote Lol idk we did give a good amount of reasons not to do who knows Citadel worm hole tax
Seth Quantix Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2016.04.26 11:42:29 - [82] - Quote Quote: Exactly not to big of a deal on dreads but marauder bastion mode also has this problem Quote: They moved it back because they could not fix the bug you can see the relevant thread on the test server feedback Quote: What the **? Bastion losing immunity?! Well, that was yesterday. And they made pretty clear that bastion/siege didnt grant Ewar immunity anymore, which can be interesting change (if we still get some buff while siegeing/in bastion mode, coz you know Scorpions are here to * your day), but it seems akward they didnt think of PvE. Marauders and Dreads looks awesome on PvE, with range/tank being really interesting and damage application being nice with the right fit, if that isn't actually true just because of NPC ewar... that's really a problem. CCP, fix it ? please ?
Lugh Crow-Slave 2298	Posted - 2016.04.26 11:47:44 - [83] - Quote The bug is something they said they were working on Citadel worm hole tax
Alexiel Fireborn Super Super Good F-I-N-K and Co. 11	Posted - 2016.04.26 11:55:14 - [84] - Quote We've introduced new High Angle Weaponry, these are the 'Quad Mega Pulse Laser', 'Quad 800mm Repeating Cannon', 'Triple Neutron Blaster Cannon' and 'Rapid Torpedo Launcher'. So Phoenix will get rapid torpedoe launcher , i can be mistaken but pattern for rapid launchers is for long range type ammunitions (there are rapid light missile launcher not rapid rocket launcher etc ...) , not close range , and if this new weapon system is designed as anti-subcaps can you explane me how u`ll hit something sub-cap with torpedoes? Did u took ur medicine ccp? Imho this dreads change is rush , wrong and awfull! DOH!
Seth Quantix Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2016.04.26 12:00:16 - [85] - Quote Alexiel Fireborn wrote: We've introduced new High Angle Weaponry, these are the 'Quad Mega Pulse Laser', 'Quad 800mm Repeating Cannon', 'Triple Neutron Blaster Cannon' and 'Rapid Torpedo Launcher'. So Phoenix will get rapid torpedoe launcher , i can be mistaken but pattern for rapid launchers is for long range type ammunitions (there are rapid light missile launcher not rapid rocket launcher etc ...) , not close range , and if this new weapon system is designed as anti-subcaps can you explane me how u`ll hit something sub-cap with torpedoes? Did u took ur medicine ccp? Imho this dreads change is rush , wrong and awfull! DOH! you're mistaken, cruise are for long range. And chimera application is one of the best you can get, since tracking on the turret guns is still awful (hard time hitting NPC cruiser orbiting at 0.1 angular speed, with double painter).
Morrigan LeSante Black Omega Security The OSS 1381	Posted - 2016.04.26 12:33:57 - [86] - Quote Seth Quantix wrote: Quote: Exactly not to big of a deal on dreads but marauder bastion mode also has this problem Quote: They moved it back because they could not fix the bug you can see the relevant thread on the test server feedback Quote: What the **? Bastion losing immunity?! Well, that was yesterday. And they made pretty clear that bastion/siege didnt grant Ewar immunity anymore, which can be interesting change (if we still get some buff while siegeing/in bastion mode, coz you know Scorpions are here to * your day), but it seems akward they didnt think of PvE. Marauders and Dreads looks awesome on PvE, with range/tank being really interesting and damage application being nice with the right fit, if that isn't actually true just because of NPC ewar... that's really a problem. CCP, fix it ? please ? The real kick in the balls marauders are getting is no refitting in bastion. At least before they had the what would have been unique immunity but now that is gone too.
S4ndman Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2016.04.26 12:54:43 - [87] - Quote Can someone explain to me why the nalgfar gets 2 turret slots while the other ones get 3 weapon slots? I'm not used to capital ships, but it made me curious..

CCP Larrikin C C P C C P Alliance 444	Posted - 2016.04.26 12:55:37 - [88] - Quote Seth Quantix wrote: SO maybe that's just me, but I tested out naglfar PvE. Being sensor dampened by serpentis to 15 km lock range by FRIGS felt weird. I mean, am I not supposed to be flying a giant almighty fortress, designed for annihilation and obliteration ? Just my 2 cents. Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: I think that is a bug. Rats curantly ignore the resistances As Lugh Crow said, this is a bug. Currently rats ignore resistances. We working on getting this fixed ASAP :) Game Designer \| Team Five-0 \| https://twitter.com/CCP_Larrikin


CCP Larrikin C C P C C P Alliance 444	Posted - 2016.04.26 12:58:44 - [89] - Quote S4ndman wrote: Can someone explain to me why the nalgfar gets 2 turret slots while the other ones get 3 weapon slots? I'm not used to capital ships, but it made me curious.. This is because of a limitation on the Nalgfar model. Long term, its something we want to fix :) For now the Nalgfar gets a bit of an advantage with ammo/modules required. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 \| https://twitter.com/CCP_Larrikin

Rabbit P Nuwa Foundation 57	Posted - 2016.04.26 13:03:03 - [90] - Quote anything about the siege (triage also), weapon timer, combat refitting? We need a clear statement about this issue.


CCP Larrikin C C P C C P Alliance 444	Posted - 2016.04.26 13:10:59 - [91] - Quote Rabbit P wrote: anything about the siege (triage also), weapon timer, combat refitting? We need a clear statement about this issue. This is in the patch notes (found here) Quote: Refitting in space will no longer be possible with a weapons timer. There is no exception to this rule for Triage, Siege or Bastion. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 \| https://twitter.com/CCP_Larrikin

S4ndman Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2016.04.26 13:12:11 - [92] - Quote CCP Larrikin wrote: S4ndman wrote: Can someone explain to me why the nalgfar gets 2 turret slots while the other ones get 3 weapon slots? I'm not used to capital ships, but it made me curious.. This is because of a limitation on the Nalgfar model. Long term, its something we want to fix :) For now the Nalgfar gets a bit of an advantage with ammo/modules required. So, comparing with the moros, that somehow shares the same kind of bonuses (damage/reps) there's a big gap between them? The moros looks much better then the nag. Thanks, o7
Michael Oskold Adversity. Psychotic Tendencies. 23	Posted - 2016.04.26 13:13:21 - [93] - Quote Panther X wrote: Well GG Amarr/Caldari your dreads have just been nerfed into uselessness. Why would anyone bother with them anymore when the Gallente Moros is vastly superior? The 3rd racial bonus for Rev/Phoenix is totally useless. you are in high flyers so i will assume you actually believe this. have fun dying to revs/phoenix post patch. B)
Michael Oskold Adversity. Psychotic Tendencies. 23	Posted - 2016.04.26 13:21:16 - [94] - Quote S4ndman wrote: CCP Larrikin wrote: S4ndman wrote: Can someone explain to me why the nalgfar gets 2 turret slots while the other ones get 3 weapon slots? I'm not used to capital ships, but it made me curious.. This is because of a limitation on the Nalgfar model. Long term, its something we want to fix :) For now the Nalgfar gets a bit of an advantage with ammo/modules required. So, comparing with the moros, that somehow shares the same kind of bonuses (damage/reps) there's a big gap between them? The moros looks much better then the nag. Thanks, o7 nag is essentially capless post patch, making it extremely powerful. along with selectable damage and a utility high for a cap neut, they will be mean cap killing machines. the moros has the worst cap out of all the dreads currently and the rep bonus, while good on paper, isn't good functionally. moros will require nos + cap injects to be used(unless hull tank :D) but it is still a king of blap. and it also has void now B)
S4ndman Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2016.04.26 13:22:38 - [95] - Quote Michael Oskold wrote: S4ndman wrote: CCP Larrikin wrote: S4ndman wrote: Can someone explain to me why the nalgfar gets 2 turret slots while the other ones get 3 weapon slots? I'm not used to capital ships, but it made me curious.. This is because of a limitation on the Nalgfar model. Long term, its something we want to fix :) For now the Nalgfar gets a bit of an advantage with ammo/modules required. So, comparing with the moros, that somehow shares the same kind of bonuses (damage/reps) there's a big gap between them? The moros looks much better then the nag. Thanks, o7 nag is essentially capless post patch, making it extremely powerful. along with selectable damage and a utility high for a cap neut, they will be mean cap killing machines. the moros has the worst cap out of all the dreads currently and the rep bonus, while good on paper, isn't good functionally. moros will require nos + cap injects to be used(unless hull tank :D) but it is still a king of blap. and it also has void now B) Nice to know nalgfar's will be in a good spot. They are awesome.
Seth Quantix Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2016.04.26 13:32:44 - [96] - Quote truly void moros will be scary. Like deep sea fish lanterna-thingy scary. Also, about the neuting dread thing : dont bring your shiny bhalgorn neuting machine anywhere near 10k of a moros. Just don't. Michael Oskold wrote: nag is essentially capless post patch, making it extremely powerful. Also, this <3
Rabbit P Nuwa Foundation 57	Posted - 2016.04.26 13:57:13 - [97] - Quote CCP Larrikin wrote: Rabbit P wrote: anything about the siege (triage also), weapon timer, combat refitting? We need a clear statement about this issue. This is in the patch notes (found here) Quote: Refitting in space will no longer be possible with a weapons timer. There is no exception to this rule for Triage, Siege or Bastion. currently we don't have weapon timer while in siege in the first dev blog "REWORKING CAPITAL SHIPS: AND THUS IT BEGINS!" Quote: We're considering adding a weapons timer to triage & siege modes so what is the plan now? will weapon timer be added to siege / triage module, like bastion?

CCP Larrikin C C P C C P Alliance 444	Posted - 2016.04.26 14:25:48 - [98] - Quote Rabbit P wrote: so what is the plan now? will weapon timer be added to siege / triage module, like bastion? No :) Game Designer \| Team Five-0 \| https://twitter.com/CCP_Larrikin

Alexiel Fireborn Super Super Good F-I-N-K and Co. 11	Posted - 2016.04.26 15:12:15 - [99] - Quote Seth Quantix wrote: Alexiel Fireborn wrote: We've introduced new High Angle Weaponry, these are the 'Quad Mega Pulse Laser', 'Quad 800mm Repeating Cannon', 'Triple Neutron Blaster Cannon' and 'Rapid Torpedo Launcher'. So Phoenix will get rapid torpedoe launcher , i can be mistaken but pattern for rapid launchers is for long range type ammunitions (there are rapid light missile launcher not rapid rocket launcher etc ...) , not close range , and if this new weapon system is designed as anti-subcaps can you explane me how u`ll hit something sub-cap with torpedoes? Did u took ur medicine ccp? Imho this dreads change is rush , wrong and awfull! DOH! you're mistaken, cruise are for long range. And chimera application is one of the best you can get, since tracking on the turret guns is still awful (hard time hitting NPC cruiser orbiting at 0.1 angular speed, with double painter). Are you high? 1st of all i dont think you even read my post , 2nd your post have almost no sense ... Havent time to draw u a pictore so i`ll leave it that way. Fly safe.
Goldensaver Lom Corporation Just let it happen 431	Posted - 2016.04.26 15:41:15 - [100] - Quote Alexiel Fireborn wrote: Seth Quantix wrote: Alexiel Fireborn wrote: We've introduced new High Angle Weaponry, these are the 'Quad Mega Pulse Laser', 'Quad 800mm Repeating Cannon', 'Triple Neutron Blaster Cannon' and 'Rapid Torpedo Launcher'. So Phoenix will get rapid torpedoe launcher , i can be mistaken but pattern for rapid launchers is for long range type ammunitions (there are rapid light missile launcher not rapid rocket launcher etc ...) , not close range , and if this new weapon system is designed as anti-subcaps can you explane me how u`ll hit something sub-cap with torpedoes? Did u took ur medicine ccp? Imho this dreads change is rush , wrong and awfull! DOH! you're mistaken, cruise are for long range. And chimera application is one of the best you can get, since tracking on the turret guns is still awful (hard time hitting NPC cruiser orbiting at 0.1 angular speed, with double painter). Are you high? 1st of all i dont think you even read my post , 2nd your post have almost no sense ... Havent time to draw u a pictore so i`ll leave it that way. Fly safe. To more accurately answer your question, yes. The trend for rapid launchers is long range, however the trend for high angle weapons is the close range variant. The use of torpedoes in the capital sized weapon system is to keep it more in line with other ships in its class. With things like this all Capital sized anti-subcapital weapons are short range so no single ship has a massive range advantage.

Alexiel Fireborn Super Super Good F-I-N-K and Co. 11	Posted - 2016.04.26 15:45:03 - [101] - Quote To more accurately answer your question, yes. The trend for rapid launchers is long range, however the trend for high angle weapons is the close range variant. The use of torpedoes in the capital sized weapon system is to keep it more in line with other ships in its class. With things like this all Capital sized anti-subcapital weapons are short range so no single ship has a massive range advantage.[/quote] Can you Honestly describe Torpedoes as a "anti-subcapital weapon" !?...
Cyrek Ohaya Blazing Sun Group 22	Posted - 2016.04.26 16:44:16 - [102] - Quote Will High Angle Weaponry be considered "Large", "Capital" or both?
Goldensaver Lom Corporation Just let it happen 431	Posted - 2016.04.26 18:04:03 - [103] - Quote Cyrek Ohaya wrote: Will High Angle Weaponry be considered "Large", "Capital" or both? Pretty sure they're just considered capital. They get bonuses from dread/titan traits but cannot be fitted to subcaps by a hard limit (can't do it even if you have the grid/CPU).
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2786	Posted - 2016.04.26 19:21:43 - [104] - Quote Cyrek Ohaya wrote: Will High Angle Weaponry be considered "Large", "Capital" or both? If they were large, you would probably have people fiddling around with high angle Talos and other shenanigan with attack battle-cruiser since they have fitting bonus to large weapons.
Pryce Caesar Evil Young Flesh 72	Posted - 2016.04.26 20:21:00 - [105] - Quote Goldensaver wrote: Cyrek Ohaya wrote: Will High Angle Weaponry be considered "Large", "Capital" or both? Pretty sure they're just considered capital. They get bonuses from dread/titan traits but cannot be fitted to subcaps by a hard limit (can't do it even if you have the grid/CPU). It makes sense that they would be Capital modules. The "double" modules of Large and Medium guns are essentially doubled up versions of Medium and Small guns (not sure if that applies to tracking and the like). The High Angle Weapons, in that sense, are tripled variants of Large guns, IIRC. And I am still wondering: the preview for High Angle Lasers has one of the three gun emplacements firing every two seconds, but the stats on their fire rate has a fire rate of every six seconds. Can someone clear this up for me?
Mizhir TURN LEFT 74749	Posted - 2016.04.26 20:48:32 - [106] - Quote Pryce Caesar wrote: Goldensaver wrote: Cyrek Ohaya wrote: Will High Angle Weaponry be considered "Large", "Capital" or both? Pretty sure they're just considered capital. They get bonuses from dread/titan traits but cannot be fitted to subcaps by a hard limit (can't do it even if you have the grid/CPU). It makes sense that they would be Capital modules. The "double" modules of Large and Medium guns are essentially doubled up versions of Medium and Small guns (not sure if that applies to tracking and the like). The High Angle Weapons, in that sense, are tripled variants of Large guns, IIRC. And I am still wondering: the preview for High Angle Lasers has one of the three gun emplacements firing every two seconds, but the stats on their fire rate has a fire rate of every six seconds. Can someone clear this up for me? The HAW guns are capital modules. They got the same signature resolution as the other XL guns and use XL ammo. The Rapid Torp launchers are a bit special though as they use the same Torpedos as normal torp launchers, but they still behave like the capital weapons when it comes to bonus and such. One Man Crew - Collective Solo PVP - Video is out!
Xiaodown Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 105	Posted - 2016.04.26 21:52:32 - [107] - Quote Protip: the phoenix was never useful. The torps are too slow. You can F1 and go out for a pizza and be back in front of your computer by the time the missile hits the structure you were shooting at.
Pryce Caesar Evil Young Flesh 72	Posted - 2016.04.26 22:09:00 - [108] - Quote Mizhir wrote: Pryce Caesar wrote: Goldensaver wrote: Cyrek Ohaya wrote: Will High Angle Weaponry be considered "Large", "Capital" or both? Pretty sure they're just considered capital. They get bonuses from dread/titan traits but cannot be fitted to subcaps by a hard limit (can't do it even if you have the grid/CPU). It makes sense that they would be Capital modules. The "double" modules of Large and Medium guns are essentially doubled up versions of Medium and Small guns (not sure if that applies to tracking and the like). The High Angle Weapons, in that sense, are tripled variants of Large guns, IIRC. And I am still wondering: the preview for High Angle Lasers has one of the three gun emplacements firing every two seconds, but the stats on their fire rate has a fire rate of every six seconds. Can someone clear this up for me? The HAW guns are capital modules. They got the same signature resolution as the other XL guns and use XL ammo. The Rapid Torp launchers are a bit special though as they use the same Torpedos as normal torp launchers, but they still behave like the capital weapons when it comes to bonus and such. Not what they are and what they use. I'm talking about the firing rate. How does the firing rate work?
Jimy F Aliastra Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2016.04.26 23:39:12 - [109] - Quote i assume bonus on minmatar and galante for reper cycle time is for makeing this ships better active tanking, but they in active tanking need more capacitor so they need more cap module so making then not better but worst becouse they really are no capable rep more becouse lack of capacitor, and dreds with resistance have just pasive reduce of damage so they tank better and not need more cap for it my conclusion for this is, you should give resistance bonus to all, the same like haevy interdictors, not reduction reper cycle time or bonus to reper amout, reper bonus amout make ships bettet only for active tanking wich also need more cap so ship with resistance module are better for buffer tanks, beter for active tnaking with compersion ships that have reper cycle reduction and the same for active tanking with compersion with ships with reper amout bonus i think also all should have one more hi slot for utility, becouse 2 hi utility is very big limitation becouse you realy have only one slot becouse one is for sige is little shame you forget abaut capital shize smartbombs :(
Lugh Crow-Slave 2316	Posted - 2016.04.27 02:11:43 - [110] - Quote Xiaodown wrote: Protip: the phoenix was never useful. The torps are too slow. You can F1 and go out for a pizza and be back in front of your computer by the time the missile hits the structure you were shooting at. the point of a balance is to fix that not exasperate it Citadel worm hole tax

Lugh Crow-Slave 2316	Posted - 2016.04.27 02:14:53 - [111] - Quote Jimy F wrote: i assume bonus on minmatar and galante for reper cycle time is for makeing this ships better active tanking, but they in active tanking need more capacitor so they need more cap module so making then not better but worst becouse they really are no capable rep more becouse lack of capacitor, and dreds with resistance have just pasive reduce of damage so they tank better and not need more cap for it my conclusion for this is, you should give resistance bonus to all, the same like haevy interdictors, not reduction reper cycle time or bonus to reper amout, reper bonus amout make ships bettet only for active tanking wich also need more cap so ship with resistance module are better for buffer tanks, beter for active tnaking with compersion ships that have reper cycle reduction and the same for active tanking with compersion with ships with reper amout bonus i think also all should have one more hi slot for utility, becouse 2 hi utility is very big limitation becouse you realy have only one slot becouse one is for sige is little shame you forget abaut capital shize smartbombs :( please no this bonuse may not be good for you but it will be good for how my and several other groups use dreads you don't need to cycle them 100% of the time and there are cap boosters now for caps Citadel worm hole tax
Seth Quantix Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2016.04.27 02:45:49 - [112] - Quote Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: you don't need to cycle them 100% of the time and there are cap boosters now for caps this : as previously stated, the naglfar is getting a huge buff from capless active tank thanks to new capital ancillary (which might be a bit overpowered, we'll see about that). still, new capacitor / tank modules should make it so dreads won't have much cap problems
Goldensaver Lom Corporation Just let it happen 432	Posted - 2016.04.27 06:42:19 - [113] - Quote CCP Larrikin wrote: S4ndman wrote: Can someone explain to me why the nalgfar gets 2 turret slots while the other ones get 3 weapon slots? I'm not used to capital ships, but it made me curious.. This is because of a limitation on the Nalgfar model. Long term, its something we want to fix :) For now the Nalgfar gets a bit of an advantage with ammo/modules required. Can the Naglfar's fleet hangar be nerfed in size or other dreads fleet hangars be buffed for now then? Because right now it is the only dread with the unique and powerful advantage of being able to carry a full rack of guns in cargo. This makes it the only dread to not have to worry about role when it undocks because it can refit from capital guns to HAWS and vice versa with a depot. Alternative just give all dreads 2 guns and a role bonus.
Seth Quantix Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2016.04.27 06:44:11 - [114] - Quote Goldensaver wrote: Can the Naglfar's fleet hangar be nerfed in size or other dreads fleet hangars be bugged for now then? Because right now it is the only dread with the unique and powerful advantage of being able to carry a full rack of guns in cargo. This makes it the only dread to not have to worry about role when it undocks because it can refit from capital guns to HAWSand vice versa with a depot. That's something I didn't realize, yet it is actually completely overpowered. how come no one thought of this for the last month ???
Lugh Crow-Slave 2319	Posted - 2016.04.27 06:46:17 - [115] - Quote Goldensaver wrote: CCP Larrikin wrote: S4ndman wrote: Can someone explain to me why the nalgfar gets 2 turret slots while the other ones get 3 weapon slots? I'm not used to capital ships, but it made me curious.. This is because of a limitation on the Nalgfar model. Long term, its something we want to fix :) For now the Nalgfar gets a bit of an advantage with ammo/modules required. Can the Naglfar's fleet hangar be nerfed in size or other dreads fleet hangars be buffed for now then? Because right now it is the only dread with the unique and powerful advantage of being able to carry a full rack of guns in cargo. This makes it the only dread to not have to worry about role when it undocks because it can refit from capital guns to HAWS and vice versa with a depot. Alternative just give all dreads 2 guns and a role bonus. Be better if the size of there guns were increased Limiting its fleet bay does nothing as his friend can bring them in theirs. Buffing the rest just removes the need for any dread to commit Citadel worm hole tax
Jimy F Aliastra Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2016.04.27 10:17:36 - [116] - Quote i didnt saw anywhere topic abaut high angle weponery; so i write it here whats the point making guns for dreads wich praboly be able shoot only one or two targets? shoort range of thoes make, you will be able to shoot one or two targets if you get webs suport, befor subcap take range and you cant shoot nothing more becouse you cant cach them. my opinin abaut this changes should add longe range large guns in first place (rails, beamas, artliery, cruuise missiles)
Lugh Crow-Slave 2320	Posted - 2016.04.27 10:39:26 - [117] - Quote You can get around 80k with these beyond that capital guns start working again on properly talked subcaps Citadel worm hole tax
Amanda Rey Kyoko-na Sen'yu District-85 0	Posted - 2016.04.27 12:36:56 - [118] - Quote The Phoenix is a bad Ship now ? I don't think so Sunshine. Thanks to the new Rapid Torp Launcher it works great for Ratting in Dronespace (well at least if you have good Missile Support Skills). Faction Ammo is a must though.
Jessie McPewpew U2EZ 4	Posted - 2016.04.27 14:05:06 - [119] - Quote Seth Quantix wrote: Goldensaver wrote: Can the Naglfar's fleet hangar be nerfed in size or other dreads fleet hangars be bugged for now then? Because right now it is the only dread with the unique and powerful advantage of being able to carry a full rack of guns in cargo. This makes it the only dread to not have to worry about role when it undocks because it can refit from capital guns to HAWSand vice versa with a depot. That's something I didn't realize, yet it is actually completely overpowered. how come no one thought of this for the last month ??? IKR.
Lugh Crow-Slave 2325	Posted - 2016.04.27 14:35:21 - [120] - Quote Amanda Rey wrote: The Phoenix is a bad Ship now ? I don't think so Sunshine. Thanks to the new Rapid Torp Launcher it works great for Ratting in Dronespace (well at least if you have good Missile Support Skills). Faction Ammo is a must though. just what i want in a dread Citadel worm hole tax

Lugh Crow-Slave 2325	Posted - 2016.04.27 14:36:23 - [121] - Quote Jessie McPewpew wrote: Seth Quantix wrote: Goldensaver wrote: Can the Naglfar's fleet hangar be nerfed in size or other dreads fleet hangars be bugged for now then? Because right now it is the only dread with the unique and powerful advantage of being able to carry a full rack of guns in cargo. This makes it the only dread to not have to worry about role when it undocks because it can refit from capital guns to HAWSand vice versa with a depot. That's something I didn't realize, yet it is actually completely overpowered. how come no one thought of this for the last month ??? IKR. we did and pointed it out to ccp over a weak ago Citadel worm hole tax
Guillame Herschel Quantum Cats Syndicate Spaceship Bebop 74	Posted - 2016.04.27 19:25:24 - [122] - Quote Zomgnomnom wrote: Rev and Pheonix 3rd bonus is garbage. 4% armor resistance per level is garbage? Old Revelation: Amarr Dreadnought bonuses (per skill level): 10% reduction in Capital Energy Turret activation cost 5% bonus to Capital Energy Turret rate of fire Role Bonus: GÇó Can fit Siege modules New Revelation: Amarr Dreadnought bonuses (per skill level): 10% reduction in Capital Energy Turret activation cost 5% bonus to Capital Energy Turret rate of fire 4% bonus to all armor resistances Role Bonus: GÇó Can fit Siege modules
Lugh Crow-Slave 2334	Posted - 2016.04.27 22:47:08 - [123] - Quote the third bonus is the cap reduction you had to reword that to change it to resistance what was the point in that? the rev and phoenix both have bonuses that are there just to be effective with their own weaposn(rev more so than phoenix) thats the issue one of the main things ppl were hoping would be fixed with the rev when the rebalance came was that damn 10% reduction right now gal/minm get double damage and a tank bonus caldari and amarr get a damage and a tank bonus and then a bonus just to make their guns work Citadel worm hole tax
Uppsy Daisy Perkone Caldari State 656	Posted - 2016.04.28 12:32:23 - [124] - Quote Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: the third bonus is the cap reduction you had to reword that to change it to resistance what was the point in that? the rev and phoenix both have bonuses that are there just to be effective with their own weaposn(rev more so than phoenix) thats the issue one of the main things ppl were hoping would be fixed with the rev when the rebalance came was that damn 10% reduction right now gal/minm get double damage and a tank bonus caldari and amarr get a damage and a tank bonus and then a bonus just to make their guns work All this depends on how much damage the guns actually do, they have all been rebalanced. And T2 ammo has been brought into the mix. Don't complain about the bonuses until you have actually run the numbers. Last time I saw the numbers, while they were still in development, they were like this. Using T2 Siege, T1 Ammo, T1 Guns/Launchers, 3 T2 Damage Mods and Max Skills: Revelation Short Range Guns = 6979 DPS Moros Short Range Guns = 7677 DPS Naglfar Short Range Guns = 7677 DPS Phoenix Short Range Guns = 6979 DPS Revelation Long Range Guns = 4653 DPS Moros Long Range Guns = 5118 DPS Naglfar Long Range Guns = 5118 DPS Phoenix Long Range Guns = 4653 DPS Revelation High Angle Guns = 4653 DPS Moros High Angle Guns = 5118 DPS Naglfar High Angle Guns = 5118 DPS Phoenix High Angle Guns = 4653 DPS I think these numbers look about right - 700 DPS difference for more tank. Don't forget also that the 4% armor/shield resists is like an extra free low slot, which could be used for another damage mod. Lastly, there is also the fact that the dreads with double damage bonuses NEED the dread skill to LVL 5 to be good, because at lvl 4 they lose a LOT of their bonus. Rev and phoenix at lvl 4 dread skill will be not far off on damage, making them much more new-player friendly.
Lugh Crow-Slave 2350	Posted - 2016.04.28 16:25:56 - [125] - Quote why do dreads have so much more cargo over carriers i thought they were supposed to be similar to keep one from become a better suitcase? Citadel worm hole tax
Alexis Nightwish 436	Posted - 2016.04.28 16:44:16 - [126] - Quote CCP Larrikin wrote: Rabbit P wrote: anything about the siege (triage also), weapon timer, combat refitting? We need a clear statement about this issue. This is in the patch notes (found here) Quote: Refitting in space will no longer be possible with a weapons timer. There is no exception to this rule for Triage, Siege or Bastion. Simply remove the weapons timer from those modules. No one-off exceptions need to be made regarding weapons fitting with a combat timer. CCP approaches problems in one of two ways: nudge or cludge EVE Online's "I win!" Button Fixing bombs, not the bombers
Lugh Crow-Slave 2351	Posted - 2016.04.28 17:15:13 - [127] - Quote bastion needs to have a weapons timer the others can keep on w/o it Citadel worm hole tax
Ransu Asanari V0LTA WE FORM V0LTA 495	Posted - 2016.04.28 19:14:51 - [128] - Quote CCP Larrikin wrote: Rabbit P wrote: anything about the siege (triage also), weapon timer, combat refitting? We need a clear statement about this issue. This is in the patch notes (found here) Quote: Refitting in space will no longer be possible with a weapons timer. There is no exception to this rule for Triage, Siege or Bastion. Understood about not being able to refit with a weapons timer, if the intention is to remove refitting in PVP. The refit change is clear in the patch notes, but no mention of the specific modules generating a weapons timer without aggressing another player or structure. However the weapons timer ruins the use of Marauders in C4/C5 space, for example, which need to be able to refit during PVE. I would expect this would also cause problems in the new wormhole escalations after going into Siege/Triage, and L5 missions. There are a lot of PVE applications where refitting in space is essential. Can you please explain why it is intended these modules generate a weapons timer when turned on? If they are going to attack or rep a player structure, they'll get one anyway. So why not remove the weapons timer on module activation and let the player make the choice on their fitting when they need to commit to the fight? They will already be immobile while the module is cycling.
Johng Kahn We're Happy In Wormhole Space 8	Posted - 2016.04.28 20:33:56 - [129] - Quote I am with Ransu on this. I just flew my alt in a Golem in a wormhole site and figured out you cannot refit in pve scenario. I will do my homework and re-evaluate options for running c5 with marauder but I cannot see a viable reason that the bastion module should invoke a weapons timer. The truth is that for both pve and pvp you basically have made pirate battleships far more viable than marauders. They can already out dps a marauder and have far better tank then a marauder thats not in bastion. My only reason for even running a Marauder in pve was for the challenge of running sites that pushed the limits of the hull and using refitting skills to make it happen. For pve combat refitting is a skill and adds content to your play. Also when the inevitable PVP incoming gank happens you basically have a 99.99 % chance of dead marauder now. With no way to refit for PvP due to you have a bastion cycle up on top of a 1 Minuit weapons timer. Best option would be to just log into your other toon and hope you can get to the fight and take a few out before your rauder folds. I can appreciate the desire to create more challenging PVP environments in game play but it should not be at the cost of removing lots of PvE content for a certain hull. As someone else had stated. The inability to refit in certain situations also makes certain roles the most boring style of game play and thus removes content from flying certain roles. Should we all just fit blob doctrines and become F1 monkeys? Because thats what i'm starting to feel here. Also if people stop flying marauders in PvE say in c5/c4 or in null then you just removed one of our favorite PvP endeavors ! Finding a gang of ratting Marauders and killing them !!!!
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2788	Posted - 2016.04.28 20:43:48 - [130] - Quote Ransu Asanari wrote: CCP Larrikin wrote: Rabbit P wrote: anything about the siege (triage also), weapon timer, combat refitting? We need a clear statement about this issue. This is in the patch notes (found here) Quote: Refitting in space will no longer be possible with a weapons timer. There is no exception to this rule for Triage, Siege or Bastion. Understood about not being able to refit with a weapons timer, if the intention is to remove refitting in PVP. The refit change is clear in the patch notes, but no mention of the specific modules generating a weapons timer without aggressing another player or structure. However the weapons timer ruins the use of Marauders in C4/C5 space, for example, which need to be able to refit during PVE. I would expect this would also cause problems in the new wormhole escalations after going into Siege/Triage, and L5 missions. There are a lot of PVE applications where refitting in space is essential. Can you please explain why it is intended these modules generate a weapons timer when turned on? If they are going to attack or rep a player structure, they'll get one anyway. So why not remove the weapons timer on module activation and let the player make the choice on their fitting when they need to commit to the fight? They will already be immobile while the module is cycling. I could see the argument that a Marauder could sit in Bastion mode on a gate while waiting out their aggression timer, but they can already do that, and can't drop a mobile depot that close to a gate anyway. And the weapons timer would last longer than the aggression timer or Bastion cycle anyway. So I don't think that's a valid reason for the modules themselves to generate weapons timers. CCP Larrikin wrote: Q) Are you adding a weapons timer to Siege or Triage, like Bastion has? A) No.

Ransu Asanari V0LTA WE FORM V0LTA 496	Posted - 2016.04.28 21:42:24 - [131] - Quote Well they have them. So is that a bug then, or a change planned to come out?
Lugh Crow-Slave 2353	Posted - 2016.04.29 00:21:00 - [132] - Quote Ransu Asanari wrote: Corrected previous post. Well they have them (Bastion). So is that a bug then, or a change planned to come out? bastion needs it for the same reason it was given it station games Citadel worm hole tax
Ransu Asanari V0LTA WE FORM V0LTA 497	Posted - 2016.04.29 01:10:32 - [133] - Quote Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: bastion needs it for the same reason it was given it station games So I read a couple of the threads on that. Citadels already solve the problem of station games, since there is the property "Disallow Tethering = True", and you can't dock in a Citadel while you're warp disrupted. Once you commit to a fight on a Citadel, you are committed to finishing it. So if we want to prevent games on NPC stations with Marauders, surely there must be a way of doing it that doesn't ruin all of C4/C5 Marauder PVE in trade. It's essential that we be able to refit while running sites. The problem here isn't even combat refitting during station games, since you can't drop a mobile depot near a station anyway. I suppose you could undock a Nestor/Carrier and refit, but that's not the issue here. If the problem is undocking and going into Bastion mode, blapping something, then sitting in Bastion and tanking until your aggression is up and you can dock, then the solution to me would be to make it so you can't activate the Bastion module within a certain range of a station. Same as you can't activate a smartbomb within a certain range of a station. Or would it be possible to have the aggression timer separated from weapons timer?
Lugh Crow-Slave 2353	Posted - 2016.04.29 02:10:26 - [134] - Quote id rather they just add the same limitation to all stations that citadels have and remove station games entirely Citadel worm hole tax
7even7eas The Pioneers Arx Alliance 1	Posted - 2016.04.29 07:35:17 - [135] - Quote im very upset about dreadnaughts spawning in havens, i didnt know that was going to happen and i lost an ishtar because i didnt notice it because it was listed as an asteroid in my overview so all of a sudden two ro three hits i was gone. do dreadnaughts apwn in the lesser sapwns so i can do those instead?
Uppsy Daisy Perkone Caldari State 656	Posted - 2016.04.29 08:48:34 - [136] - Quote 7even7eas wrote: im very upset about dreadnaughts spawning in havens, i didnt know that was going to happen and i lost an ishtar because i didnt notice it because it was listed as an asteroid in my overview so all of a sudden two ro three hits i was gone. do dreadnaughts apwn in the lesser sapwns so i can do those instead? It appeared as an asteroid in your overview?! Lolololol Try not playing AFK.
Morrigan LeSante Black Omega Security The OSS 1383	Posted - 2016.04.29 09:21:38 - [137] - Quote Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: Ransu Asanari wrote: Corrected previous post. Well they have them (Bastion). So is that a bug then, or a change planned to come out? bastion needs it for the same reason it was given it station games With command destroyers, this now only applies in high sec and as far as I'm concerned screw anyone dumb enough to get involved in station games in highsec, it is another reason to move out alongside crap like neutral reps. There are lots of ridiculous special snowflake sets of nonsense going on in highsec, what is one more?
Carrion Crow Dropship 27	Posted - 2016.04.30 18:58:05 - [138] - Quote In terms of the design logic of the fictional in game dread designers... Why not make the dread fleet hangers big enough so that a dread can carry a full set of High angle guns? They can currently fit 2... why not 3? This seems like a design flaw and doesn't allow a dread to travel then refit for a different role... If I was the fictional dread designer, I would of prioritized the fleet hanger over a ship maintenance bay. Come on lads, sort it out. CC
Lugh Crow-Slave 2361	Posted - 2016.04.30 21:58:36 - [139] - Quote Carrion Crow wrote: In terms of the design logic of the fictional in game dread designers... Why not make the dread fleet hangers big enough so that a dread can carry a full set of High angle guns? They can currently fit 2... why not 3? This seems like a design flaw and doesn't allow a dread to travel then refit for a different role... If I was the fictional dread designer, I would of prioritized the fleet hanger over a ship maintenance bay. Come on lads, sort it out. CC I think it's intended that they can't. That way you have some level of commitment. The nag is just an oversight maybe? Citadel worm hole tax
Goldensaver Lom Corporation Just let it happen 433	Posted - 2016.05.01 15:39:57 - [140] - Quote Carrion Crow wrote: In terms of the design logic of the fictional in game dread designers... Why not make the dread fleet hangers big enough so that a dread can carry a full set of High angle guns? They can currently fit 2... why not 3? This seems like a design flaw and doesn't allow a dread to travel then refit for a different role... If I was the fictional dread designer, I would of prioritized the fleet hanger over a ship maintenance bay. Come on lads, sort it out. CC Actually, I think they can now? Packaged guns are only 1k m3 so you can bring out a few spare guns. There's just no bringing them back with you, they have to be disposable. Either that or you win the fight and bring in haulers to scoop your guns.

Lugh Crow-Slave 2372	Posted - 2016.05.01 22:47:04 - [141] - Quote Goldensaver wrote: Carrion Crow wrote: In terms of the design logic of the fictional in game dread designers... Why not make the dread fleet hangers big enough so that a dread can carry a full set of High angle guns? They can currently fit 2... why not 3? This seems like a design flaw and doesn't allow a dread to travel then refit for a different role... If I was the fictional dread designer, I would of prioritized the fleet hanger over a ship maintenance bay. Come on lads, sort it out. CC Actually, I think they can now? Packaged guns are only 1k m3 so you can bring out a few spare guns. There's just no bringing them back with you, they have to be disposable. Either that or you win the fight and bring in haulers to scoop your guns. Meh used to do this with triage with burnt out reps Citadel worm hole tax
Moac Tor Cyber Core Stain Confederation 506	Posted - 2016.05.01 23:18:25 - [142] - Quote 7even7eas wrote: im very upset about dreadnaughts spawning in havens, i didnt know that was going to happen and i lost an ishtar because i didnt notice it Haha. They are working exactly as intended then. You should have got some friends to go and kill it. Modulated ECM Effects An Alternative to Skill Trading
Lugh Crow-Slave 2372	Posted - 2016.05.01 23:22:52 - [143] - Quote Moac Tor wrote: 7even7eas wrote: im very upset about dreadnaughts spawning in havens, i didnt know that was going to happen and i lost an ishtar because i didnt notice it Haha. They are working exactly as intended then. You should have got some friends to go and kill it. He should not have been afk Citadel worm hole tax
Goldensaver Lom Corporation Just let it happen 433	Posted - 2016.05.02 01:04:54 - [144] - Quote Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: Goldensaver wrote: Carrion Crow wrote: In terms of the design logic of the fictional in game dread designers... Why not make the dread fleet hangers big enough so that a dread can carry a full set of High angle guns? They can currently fit 2... why not 3? This seems like a design flaw and doesn't allow a dread to travel then refit for a different role... If I was the fictional dread designer, I would of prioritized the fleet hanger over a ship maintenance bay. Come on lads, sort it out. CC Actually, I think they can now? Packaged guns are only 1k m3 so you can bring out a few spare guns. There's just no bringing them back with you, they have to be disposable. Either that or you win the fight and bring in haulers to scoop your guns. Meh used to do this with triage with burnt out reps Yeah. People just need to start seeing guns as a resource. Something that you can dispose of when the need arises. As long as you do that you can have 3 spare racks of guns (for mad overheating) or 5 in the Nalgfar. Nothing to worry about.
Carrion Crow Dropship 27	Posted - 2016.05.02 20:10:33 - [145] - Quote I can see the points for and against being able to take a set of High angle guns with you. However, if dreads are supposed to be "indomitable gun platforms", I can't see why the designers would add a huge hangar for your other ships, instead of room for the actual stuff you need for combat. Indomitable gun platforms, should have ammo bays, equipment bays and other "gun" related stuff. It's not as if you can swap out in combat now, due to the weapons timer. Dreads should feeeeeel like BFGs, they shouldn't be replacement carriers ;)
Lidia Caderu Harbingers of Chaos Inc Violence of Action. 46	Posted - 2016.05.23 20:54:20 - [146] - Quote Why Naglfar is castrated on one slot??
Lugh Crow-Slave 2638	Posted - 2016.05.27 08:14:45 - [147] - Quote what slot? Citadel worm hole tax
Khan Wrenth Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation 597	Posted - 2016.05.27 12:01:37 - [148] - Quote Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: what slot? I'm just guessing here, but I think they might be referring to the "two turrets for Nal verses other dreads" thing that a Dev already explained on page 5. But it's just a guess since that's the only disparity I know of right now. Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
Marcus Tedric Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation 74	Posted - 2016.05.27 13:05:56 - [149] - Quote Lidia Caderu wrote: Why Naglfar is castrated on one slot?? Because the Naglfar used to have 2 x Turret Slots and 2 (or 1, it's been a long time) x Missile slots - thus the model can only show 2 Turret models. When it lost the missile slots the bonus was changed so that it's 2 turrets as like 3. When they can address the model and show another turret, they will - and the bonus will change as well. Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Rek Seven Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 2239	Posted - 2016.06.08 22:38:52 - [150] - Quote Make siege dreads immune to ecm... It is ******* stupid that a dread can be jammed by 1 ecm drone or a frig! The wishlist is pretty much complete...

Lugh Crow-Slave 2779	Posted - 2016.06.09 00:55:31 - [151] - Quote why its very rare for them to be jammed unless under a huge amount of ECM and they are much better off than carriers who can have all of their fighters perma jammed by one frig Citadel worm hole tax
Rek Seven Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 2240	Posted - 2016.06.09 09:42:38 - [152] - Quote Rare is irrelevant. It can happen and does happen because it is chance based unlike all other forms of ewar. The chance of being jammed coupled with the slow lock time of a dread makes the situation worse. It is probably a bug but ecm drones are currently very effective at jamming a dread... but either way dreads should not be jamable unless it's with some new ecm module that can only be fitted on caps/battleships. Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: ... better off than carriers who can have all of their fighters perma jammed by one frig Recall fighters > launch fighters > kill frig The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Lugh Crow-Slave 2782	Posted - 2016.06.09 16:23:52 - [153] - Quote Rek Seven wrote: Recall fighters > launch fighters > kill frig glad to see they are all siting at 0 on your carrier Citadel worm hole tax
Rek Seven Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 2240	Posted - 2016.06.10 12:11:36 - [154] - Quote CCP Larrikin wrote: Dreadnoughts Siege Mode now gives ECM Immunity The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Ormarr Kai Doughboys 28	Posted - 2016.06.13 18:36:54 - [155] - Quote these changes are a step in the right direction but as it stand dreads are still throw away ships. I would like to see a change that makes them less disposable..
Caleb Seremshur Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two 860	Posted - 2016.09.07 07:32:41 - [156] - Quote I made an image to summarise my feelings on the matter: http://imgur.com/a/4oYXb Also let's take a look at the killboard for moros kills:---> https://zkillboard.com/ship/19724/losses/ Now I don't know about you but fitting a moros which has a repping bonus with only plates and no repper seems a bit arse-about-face don't you think? Or maybe a reptime bonus on armour ships is bad, this is the same reason why the hecate is underperforming as well because rep-time on armour ships is a poor choice of bonus for these hulls to have. At the moment I see no reason to use anything but naglfar. The average damage you see is about 6500dps on these fits, the nag reps 54,000hp per cycle on its ancillary booster meaning it can tank up to 4 dreads worth of DPS per ancillary booster. OR if fighting one dread it can infinitely cycle these boosters until it runs out of charges because of its larger bay + capless guns + native bonuses. A Dual ancillary rep phoenix reps even more. As you may have guessed those fits were made for the purpose of using as little faction stuff as possible and no implants. These fits you see on killboards with 4.5bil and 5bil dreads dying is totally unnecessary.


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