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Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:11:00 - [91] Originally by: Vampire Lord The point is we give others a chance to be blue an or take another route. You give people the option to follow your rules or die. We control one entry point into prov. There is another point about 7 jumps away. You can not call us pirates for protecting our space. This war is pointless but fun. You need to re-think your motives an see if they are really correct. No You attack anyone who has not made arrangements with you. This makes you a hostile entity. You are pirates. Our attacks are not made on the possibility of a phantom. This war is pointless? More the fool you. We stand for law and order. We bring stability and peace. We promote commerce. We encourage growth. We do our duty. We serve beyond ourselves. War is not 'fun', barbarian.
Drakonis Lox Caldari Phillips Transdimensionals Inc The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:48:00 - [92] ok, since my corp was brought into this independently, i will now speak. I spoke to lonenightwolf, or whatever his name is from cva, spoke to a diplomat from nos, and drakmor from slyph before we put our towers up in d-g. All of which told me the system wasn't wanted and they didn't care if we "moved in". We never go so much as a warning, and no, there was never a pack up and leave or die, just shooting started. Hmm, i was told by a member of NOS that if we wanted to stay there, we had to join, and this was one day before "the mighty" cva deployed their dreads against an 8 member corp. Yes, i spoke to someone from both UK and IO about help as all of our corp assets were being shot at. We had no relationship with IO prior, and we do not role play so was never a threat in us joining UK. However, we have lived in provi a long time and we have found out the hard way who to believe and who not to believe when they say things. NOS didn't have the guts to try to kill us themselves, so they called in cva. BTW, thank you cva and friends. We have joined up with a great group of people, and are quite happy in our new home. We will definately be seeing you on the battlefield.
Morden Nok Cohortes Vigilum Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:13:00 - [93] Please try to write in bit more coherent manner Originally by: Drakonis Lox .... We never go so much as a warning, and no, there was never a pack up and leave or die, just shooting started. This had to do with the fact that you had recruited a KOS pilot. CVA pilot shot at the KOS pilot, while not aggressing your pilots until your pilots decided to attack him. Those pilots lost their ships and we will NOT refund any ships that are lost because the pilots attack us. You were told that "any threats or attacks on CVA forces made by your corporation will result in annihilation of your control towers and removal from this area" Then you decided to start pirating in Providence at 2007.02.05 and also, let me quote you on few things: [ 2007.02.01 03:38:22 ] Dark Renegade > oh, and btw, we have already scouting a few of your sov systems for pos destruction, including f-y with the small pos with 6 small rails [ 2007.02.01 03:47:47 ] Dark Renegade > if u want standings set to travel in my corps space convo me, otherwise we do nbsi as well [ 2007.02.05 05:55:49 ] Drakonis Lox > we control d-gtmi in providence and as soon as our alliance is started we will have sov here [ 2007.02.05 06:03:13 ] Drakonis Lox > pure pirating is what it is called, and if we are not reembursed we will deal with it accordingly
Vampire Lord World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:29:00 - [94] Originally by: Pezzle Originally by: Vampire Lord The point is we give others a chance to be blue an or take another route. You give people the option to follow your rules or die. We control one entry point into prov. There is another point about 7 jumps away. You can not call us pirates for protecting our space. This war is pointless but fun. You need to re-think your motives an see if they are really correct. No You attack anyone who has not made arrangements with you. This makes you a hostile entity. You are pirates. Our attacks are not made on the possibility of a phantom. This war is pointless? More the fool you. We stand for law and order. We bring stability and peace. We promote commerce. We encourage growth. We do our duty. We serve beyond ourselves. War is not 'fun', barbarian. If you stand for law an order you would have left us to do our job an protect the area. Our duty it to up hold to the high standers of The Order an we shall follow by the code. I'm nor a fool or a Barbarian. However being that we've been at war for so long with pirates its fun fight to have battles again. I respect that you guys come looking for a fight instead of grief. So we oblige an give you a fight. However we could be using our recourses to something better say... Protecting Prov from pirates & the Unknown that would sneak up behind you an rip your soul out. You and this pirate thing. It's our space an we protect it how we see fit. How is that pirating? Your spiting out stuff that makes no since. If we were interested in pirating now would be a good time to war dec all those care bear corps that live in the amarr area near you. But do we do things like that? No. We hold our grounds and defend it well. Stop being blind. Move on an save isk. Commander & Chief Vampire Lord
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:45:00 - [95] Originally by: Vampire Lord You and this pirate thing. It's our space an we protect it how we see fit. How is that pirating? It is only your space when you aren't cowering inside a station in Choonka, Vampire Lord. Your delusions that IO are anything more than a pirate alliance that happens to own a few POSes are laughable. Imperial Order was respectable in terms of soverignity once perhaps, but you have long forsaken that in order to emulate those pirates you so loathe. How foolish of you to believe that you would be safe from the defenders of the Empire when you so carelessly allied yourself with their sworn enemies. Your strife is self perpetuated, perhaps you should step down and let someone with more sense run things.
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 17:31:00 - [96] Why do I think IO are deliberately trying to misunderstand this situation? You sit on an access point into Providence. You shoot anyone who has not made an 'arrangement' with you. Practice of NBSI in Amarr Providence makes you a pirate. Accepting pirates and pirate corps into your Alliance brands you as a pirate sympathizer. Assisting rebels in the Imperial territory known as Providence makes you an enemy of the Empire. There are simple solutions to these problems. Renounce piracy and remove them from your Alliance. Stop aiding rebels in attacks on Amarr forces. Cease your NBSI policy and adopt an attitude that will promote the growth of Providence. Alternatively you may continue to lose assets to the point that any decision you make will be rather meaningless.
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.02.27 18:03:00 - [97] Originally by: Pezzle Practice of NBSI in Amarr Providence makes you a pirate. This is just laughable on it's face.....unless of course you really think you "claim all of providence" as your own.
Ramruqai Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 18:34:00 - [98] If I had know Imperial Order would be these kind of folks you would have gone KOS to CVA back in June 2006 or sooner. Imperial Order has done so many things that usually get a KOS stamp from CVA that they should consider them selfs lucky that they were on neutral standing (that is blue in your book NBSI folks)when they were first starting out in providence. The first ever issue with Imperial Order was when they killed a CVA Taranis in 0.0, I'm afraid the alliance logs do not state where exactly this was but it really is irrelevant cause CVA were on good terms with Imperial Order at the time. IO did the right thing here and reimbursed the pilot in question and it was marked as a mistake. The secont event was when a CVA gang was attacked in KBP in on of IO many gate camps. Vampire Lord that has been running a big mouth in this thread already was there himself. CVA ships destroyed were Cyclone and Arbitrator. At this time most would consider if IO actually are even disciplined enough to run a NBSI policy. CVA hold of KOS on IO for a while and sort this out peacefully and both ships are reimbursed. Aralis was the one handling negotiation, and at the time alliance leader. Aralis said to CVA: "They have given up NBSI and paid out to those they blew up and it's settled. Not KOS as hopefully all know by now." - We can all agree that they indeed did not keep their promise. Peace was still between the two after this incident, delicate one maybe but peace none the less. 21st October of 2006 a pilot of CCCPI was shot and killed in the low sec part of the Amarrian region Domain. Zanka is the system in question. Josey Whales of the World Order was the pirate. I send a mail to his CEO and asked that he'd been booted, we got no reply, the member later left IO and joined Privateers among others. Hopefully not the kinda folks IO want in their ranks. Despite this IO was not added to KOS. December 2006 was when IO are placed on CVA KOS list. The drops that filled the meter are IO's attacks on members of the 1st Praetorian Guard a very close friend of CVA and one of their members Killza pirating a mining barge in Mamet (low sec domain, 3 jumps from CVA's first outpost) Also a member of World Order at the time. Lastly I want to add this chat log from two IO members around October the 1st CarpeNoctem667 > Amandi we do pirate CarpeNoctem667 > If their not blue to us then we blow them up cause they have no relation to us MickeyFinn > We are ******* pyrits... MickeyFinn > Look at my sec stat. If this explanation is not enough for IO to understand and see the error of their way and negotiate with CVA there is no other fate for you than the one your supposed friends of the Ushra'Khan. You will either reason with us or feel the wrath of Amarrian superiority through holy light of our lasers and ammo! It's the pilot that makes the ship, Not the ship that makes the pilot.
Vampire Lord World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.02.27 18:36:00 - [99] Originally by: Pezzle Why do I think IO are deliberately trying to misunderstand this situation? You sit on an access point into Providence. You shoot anyone who has not made an 'arrangement' with you. Practice of NBSI in Amarr Providence makes you a pirate. Accepting pirates and pirate corps into your Alliance brands you as a pirate sympathizer. Assisting rebels in the Imperial territory known as Providence makes you an enemy of the Empire. There are simple solutions to these problems. Renounce piracy and remove them from your Alliance. Stop aiding rebels in attacks on Amarr forces. Cease your NBSI policy and adopt an attitude that will promote the growth of Providence. Alternatively you may continue to lose assets to the point that any decision you make will be rather meaningless. For one you guys don't protect upper prov. I've never seen you do so but now you feel as if you are. This is a joke. I don't know how many times this place has been invade an you guys do nothing to keep peace up here. UK ISS BOS an a few other's have helped keep the peace in this area. You really should pick another alliance to fight with. Empire War's are what we are about. It's our history. We will not have bleed this long to give up now. We will not be oppressed by your threats & this war. We'd Rather Die on the battle field until we have no more clones to fight with. IO Forever Commander & Chief Vampire Lord
Vampire Lord World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.02.27 19:21:00 - [100] Originally by: Ramruqai If I had know Imperial Order would be these kind of folks you would have gone KOS to CVA back in June 2006 or sooner. Imperial Order has done so many things that usually get a KOS stamp from CVA that they should consider them selfs lucky that they were on neutral standing (that is blue in your book NBSI folks)when they were first starting out in providence. The first ever issue with Imperial Order was when they killed a CVA Taranis in 0.0, I'm afraid the alliance logs do not state where exactly this was but it really is irrelevant cause CVA were on good terms with Imperial Order at the time. IO did the right thing here and reimbursed the pilot in question and it was marked as a mistake. The secont event was when a CVA gang was attacked in KBP in on of IO many gate camps. Vampire Lord that has been running a big mouth in this thread already was there himself. CVA ships destroyed were Cyclone and Arbitrator. At this time most would consider if IO actually are even disciplined enough to run a NBSI policy. CVA hold of KOS on IO for a while and sort this out peacefully and both ships are reimbursed. Aralis was the one handling negotiation, and at the time alliance leader. Aralis said to CVA: "They have given up NBSI and paid out to those they blew up and it's settled. Not KOS as hopefully all know by now." - We can all agree that they indeed did not keep their promise. Peace was still between the two after this incident, delicate one maybe but peace none the less. 21st October of 2006 a pilot of CCCPI was shot and killed in the low sec part of the Amarrian region Domain. Zanka is the system in question. Josey Whales of the World Order was the pirate. I send a mail to his CEO and asked that he'd been booted, we got no reply, the member later left IO and joined Privateers among others. Hopefully not the kinda folks IO want in their ranks. Despite this IO was not added to KOS. December 2006 was when IO are placed on CVA KOS list. The drops that filled the meter are IO's attacks on members of the 1st Praetorian Guard a very close friend of CVA and one of their members Killza pirating a mining barge in Mamet (low sec domain, 3 jumps from CVA's first outpost) Also a member of World Order at the time. Lastly I want to add this chat log from two IO members around October the 1st CarpeNoctem667 > Amandi we do pirate CarpeNoctem667 > If their not blue to us then we blow them up cause they have no relation to us MickeyFinn > We are ******* pyrits... MickeyFinn > Look at my sec stat. If this explanation is not enough for IO to understand and see the error of their way and negotiate with CVA there is no other fate for you than the one your supposed friends of the Ushra'Khan. You will either reason with us or feel the wrath of Amarrian superiority through holy light of our lasers and ammo! You have proven most of my case in this text. Also yes I was there in the end of the killing. But I had word we were engaged. An I replaced your ships. All the members that have caused most of these issues are gone except Mickeyfinn whom has not been active an is about to get kicked anyhow. Carpenoctem667 left the alliance shortly after what he did to keep the peace. He however is back with us because of this war. All your raging an ranting is for things that are lost of fixed. We have things under control an running smoothly. An we keep the peace. This alliance has rehabilitated many pirates into strong Elite Guards of IO. We give many a chance to change. An those that don't leave or get kicked. If you do not understand this then War will be War an IO true Furry will be on your door step.
Jove Centauri Freelance Rising The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.02.28 00:17:00 - [101] CVA your blind ignorance and preemptive strike of IO sov space will, in the end, be your undoing. You and your allies are nothing but religious fanatics masquerading as a Providence peacekeeper. The battles we have fought so far, are only the begginning. We will fight you, everywhere and anywhere, until we have nothing left to fight you with. Death to CVA and anyone who would support their arrogant ways. IO Forever
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 02:16:00 - [102] Originally by: Jove Centauri We will fight you, everywhere and anywhere, until we have nothing left to fight you with. This statement contains more solid truth than any made so far by Imperial Order representatives.
Kallanagh Tellen Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.02.28 03:14:00 - [103] This seems to be a rather odd situation. The accusations of guilt do not seem to be denied, yet the entire arguement seems to revolve around a mix of technicalities and slurries on reputation. If the acts are not denied then surely the entire arguement is a mute point? Nevermind, I am sure that the CVA and her allies will no doubt eradicate the threat, and carry on their good work to bring stability to the region. It seems the Imperial Order have chosen their lot, I wonder if their activities would be so well received if their hostile activities were carried out within the lands of their terrorist allies? I am sure that in the not too distant future this 'marriage of convenience' will no doubt meet a suitably violent end in the name of profit. In any case a salutation from a greatful resident, I am sure that there is more than one corporation that owes you all a considerable amount of gratitude. grins Serve the Emperor above all others
Yslath Minmatar World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.02.28 03:31:00 - [104] Will peace never prevail? So strongly does CVA support the morally and ethically crumbling concept of slavery and blind belief; one must question the sanity and the intentions of their leaders. The Amarr are failing as a race. Their ships are mediocre at best (this is very evident, the fact that most of their pilots do not even fly thier own races constructions!). The belief structure they so sickeningly cling to has been left behind by most of the rest of the known galaxy for the greater good. Their heads are so bloated with power and bad judgement, that they dare attack The Imperial Order. We, with UK and our other allies, will rain down a supreme and decisive vicotry. The space-ways will be filled the useless debris that once made up the CVA fleet. Their supporters will be hunted like the scum they are. No one will survive. We will not stop untill all is calm, except the screaming of the forsaken relatives of those we have decimated. It will be glorious. So blind are the CVA to dare oppose such a steadfast enemy. Can't they see what hides behind the nearest asteroid that partially obstructs their view? So shallow are they to sooner strike down the supposed piracy and crimes of those that lives starsystems away, instead of first looking to better themselves in the area of slavery and unhealthy religion. Their own lack of willingness to better improve themselves, and their clingy dedication to ways of the ancient will be their downfall. Imperial Order, Ushra'Khan, and our myriad of other allies will be the hand that heals. We will previal. We will destroy. CVA will cry for mercy. Their supporters will flee like the insects they are. This is absolute. We must rid ourselves of our violent pasts and make peace. Slavery is not exempt! CVA is not exempt! The ways of the future will strike them down, and The Imperial Order will be those who deliver. Be prepared for a bloody fight, those who oppose! We will not be deterred from our pathes! -Yslath.
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 09:29:00 - [105] Keep dreaming pirate... ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Ikar Kaltin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 13:09:00 - [106] Hmmm things seem to be esculating rapidly on this topic, the only Imperial Order representative that has any sort of reason in his speech is Vampire Lord. From a lowly perspective of a combat pilot in CVA this is how I have seen things progress. Imperial Order were on numerous occasions caught pirating, but it was resolved diplomatically. Peace was re-established on numerous occasions until it came to the point that CVA said enough was enough and KOSed Imperial Order for piracy, despite the numerous chances that CVA had given them. Vampire Lord, you say you tried to work it out diplomatically at this point, but if an alliance had come to your space and broken your rules on numerous occasions after you gve them chance after chance would you give them another chance or just leave it? Next with philips transdimensional. They recruited a KOS memer, and were informed about this and told that they were KOS. CVA members were in system and followed this member to a POS under construction and destroyed them, but members of Philips trans. opened fire on CVA and were destroyed as well. The issue came up that they were anchoring a POS without permission, which is the general rule for providence, to consult the established alliances to make sure there is no claim on them already. After many threats by Philips and bold statements which they cant have thought would have got them into our good books Philips agreed to a deadline to kick the KOS member in their corp, or they would be removed from Providence. This deadline was not met and their POS was attacked. They then went to our enemies to try and get help, and they found it. Negotiation by a neutral party occured where it was agreed Philips would be removed from KOS to leave the area, at which point they joined Imperial Order. We weren't particulary fussed over this and wouldnt even mention it if UK hadnt accused us of attacking a "neutral POS", despite them being given a 3 day truce to meet conditions, which were set by them. Next Davlin over there and his only firing in "self defence". Right, for months now he has been pirating in the Sukanon (sp?) constellation and set up 2 death stars to operate from. The local anti-piracy force asked for our help to remove those POSes and CVA agreed, and destroyed those POSes, at which point CVA recieved sme rather nasty messages from Davlin, but were used to that from pirates we annoy. He then joins Imperial Order on the grounds of them shooting at us. This combined with recent joint fleet actions between UK and Imperial order led CVA to teach Imperial Order a lesson, not just for working with terrorists and pirates, but also back dating to their history of piracy within CVA and empire low sec. Imperial Order are continued to be called pirates for their continued NBSI policy on the gates to Empire, and now try a mudslinging attempt on CVA. Quite simply, many Imperial Order pilots on this thread are not only accusing us of piracy without basis, but are drawing upon Ushrakhan rhetoric to support their case, which only advances the CVA hostility towards you. Since the start of the war Imperial Order have also joined Ushrakhan in attacking neutral alliances in providence, I dont know what their justification behind this is, but they have been stopped partly due to CVA opposition against them in these operations. To conclude, above is how we got to this point, now lets have the rest of the talk be on the battlefield. When all is done and dusted wrte up battle reports and what not, but lets keep this semi respectable and not do half the fighting on the forums. This is the last from me personally on this matter, over and out. Ikar Kaltin P.S. I dont represent CVA officially in any way, and im sure for this account im going to get in a fair amount of trouble. But simply, to both sides. Lets fight this war where it matters.
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.02.28 18:08:00 - [107] Edited by: Davlin Lotze on 28/02/2007 18:04:52 Edited by: Davlin Lotze on 28/02/2007 18:04:32 Originally by: Ikar Kaltin poor dillusional propaganda The rank and file of CVA need to glance at their leaders' rhetoric and examine the bankrupt definitions they use to classify the actions of their enemies in such a way so as to justify their dehumanization and thus pave the way for attacking them. By CVA standards 9 out of 10 alliances are "pirate entities." Do the rank and file average CVA member wish to fight 90% of Eve's alliance community? Your leadership over the last couple years has expanded their territorial ambitions from just r3 and Xr3 to the whole of providence. During the same period they have also supported low sec entities that really have neither the capacity to maintain their space nor the willingness to learn how so long as the CVA umbrella protects them. To the rest of Eve this is tantamount to allow the "fat" to languish in space they don't deserve. Again, most of the Eve cluster of the alliance variety tends to look down at those who cannot or will not do what is necessary to "deserve" their own space. CVA leadership talks a good game about their supposed membership in the "club of civilized alliances." Yet they label almost everything as pirate and are active opposition to those in Eve who seek to "help trim the fat" from entities not deserving of their space. What do I know of alliance faring you might ask? Well, despite Sir Hardin's attempts to paint me with a singular brush of a pirate, inconvenient facts are ignored. Facts that don't fit into the overall picture he tries to present regarding me. The reality that I've spent over half of my capsuleering career as a disciplined member in another alliance and now almost a month now with IO following the straight and narrow of their blue list and their NBSI policy that is in alignment with 90% of Eve's alliance faring community. If Hardin et al leave so much truth out of their characterizations of me, how much aren't they sharing with the rank and file in CVA?
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 20:37:00 - [108] Edited by: Pezzle on 28/02/2007 20:34:04 I assure you the 'rank and file' is fully supportive. Why do you think we are so successful? It is true we have a sizable number of alliance in the outer regions as hostiles. They have earned it by attacking ships in our space. We are comfortable with our strong stance against Pirates. We are respected by these same alliances for our ability to back our position. Enough with the sidetrack. You are a pirate, Davlin. If you are uncomfortable with your true nature perhaps you should seek your answers inward. You are on file as having pirated in other regions of space. Providence is Amarr space. Those willing to live by the Law are welcome. We have a great many corporations and alliances who operate here in various capacities. Do not pretend you are doing the cluster a favor, parasite. Your rhetoric only started AFTER we removed your stations and you scurried for protection. Your world is shrinking. To the 'rank and file' of IO. Do you really wish to harbor a pirate? This could all be over if you were willing to adopt a more civil policy and encourage the development of Amarr Providence. Think of others, even just slightly. Embrace a strong, ethical policy. You will be better for it and would enjoy the support of strong neighbors. You need not lose further assets. Amarr Victor!
Morden Nok Cohortes Vigilum Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 20:44:00 - [109] Originally by: Davlin Lotze By CVA standards 9 out of 10 alliances are "pirate entities." Yes. We know that. Ushra'Khan use the same definitions. Well, almost same definitions. Originally by: Davlin Lotze Do the rank and file average CVA member wish to fight 90% of Eve's alliance community? We already do it. And have done it for long time. Besides, it's not really any different from what most NBSI entities technically face. You NBSI folks just have to understand that in most practical way red means same to us NRDS people as neutral means to you. One difference is that there are no credible anti-pirate entities that operate on NBSI. Originally by: Davlin Lotze What do I know of alliance faring you might ask? Well, despite Sir Hardin's attempts to paint me with a singular brush of a pirate, inconvenient facts are ignored. Facts that don't fit into the overall picture he tries to present regarding me. So you're claiming you didn't spend your time pirating in Sukanen in your Wyvern until we blew up your POSses there? Originally by: Davlin Lotze If Hardin et al leave so much truth out of their characterizations of me, how much aren't they sharing with the rank and file in CVA? Truth is, you're a pirate. And truth is is that you only joined IO because you saw it as the only way to attack CVA. And CVA leadership communicates things quite well I think. We have had fun reading all those mails where you threaten us with complete destruction.
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:06:00 - [110] Originally by: Morden Nok Truth is, you're a pirate. Let me be the first to congratulate you on labeling me with a definition of being a pirate that is accepted by 10% of the Eve population. Well done! I don't think objectively that makes me a pirate. Rather it shows how disconnected CVA has become from reality. In point of fact the only reason I continued with this line of dialogue was to help the reader of this thread who is an "uninvolved 3rd party" make sense of how two sides could possibly "talk past each other" as it may appear is the case here. Let's just say that you have just begun to apprecaite the "benevolent" side of my personality
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:30:00 - [111] Edited by: Pezzle on 28/02/2007 22:26:43 Someone refusing to accept reality does not invalidate reality. Pirate. I would wager more of the populace agrees with us than you might think, they simply have not spoken up in this forum. The Empire is with us. Not giving us your best? Operating at half your capacity perhaps? Please demonstrate it fully, we would enjoy destroying all of your mothership rather than half of it. Coward. The only reason YOU and YOURS are talking around us is refusal on your part to address the issue. As you seem intent on conning your way out of admitting what you are and dealing with the matter in dispute, we will continue to administer lessons as needed. Amarr Victor!
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:53:00 - [112] Originally by: Davlin Lotze During the same period they have also supported low sec entities that really have neither the capacity to maintain their space nor the willingness to learn how so long as the CVA umbrella protects them. This discussion is making progress! Finally an Imperial Order pilot gives at least tacit acknowledgement that the CVA is, in fact, a benevolent alliance, providing a service in Providence despite prior Imperial Order claims to our apparent expansionistic thuggery. Very good.
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:10:00 - [113] Edited by: Davlin Lotze on 01/03/2007 00:07:04 Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Davlin Lotze During the same period they have also supported low sec entities that really have neither the capacity to maintain their space nor the willingness to learn how so long as the CVA umbrella protects them. This discussion is making progress! Finally an Imperial Order pilot gives at least tacit acknowledgement that the CVA is, in fact, a benevolent alliance, providing a service in Providence despite prior Imperial Order claims to our apparent expansionistic thuggery. Very good. There's no need to make a claim to something, ie your expansionistic thuggery, when it's admitted to repeatedly by your leaders, albeit in epheumistic lingo dressed up with definitional distortions such as what constitutes a pirate as an apetizer.:)
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:45:00 - [114] Originally by: Davlin Lotze There's no need to make a claim to something, ie your expansionistic thuggery, when it's admitted to repeatedly by your leaders, albeit in epheumistic lingo dressed up with definitional distortions such as what constitutes a pirate as an apetizer.:) If you yourself publicly admit that we assist many otherwise helpless organizations in Providence and have done since we first set up in the region, is it euphemistic lingo and definitional distortions, or the truth?
Karn Mithralia Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.01 01:37:00 - [115] Originally by: Pezzle Providence is Amarr space. And there you have it, grandiose claims and delusional all in one. Did it ever occur to you people might not want to live in Amarr and are willing to fight to keep free space just that - free? ----------------------------------------- Now recruiting.
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.01 04:25:00 - [116] If you are unwilling to accept Amarr Providence you are free to move elsewhere.
Kovid Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.03.01 06:21:00 - [117] Originally by: Pezzle Providence is Amarr space. Space is for no one to claim. It is not given, ordained, or owed. It was there before you, and will be when you are gone, including the Amarr. But go ahead fight amongst yourselves until your corporations and then empires your paramilitary corporations support put themselves back in the dark ages. ---------------------------------- An informal Star Fraction FAQ \| ----------------------------------
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.01 06:36:00 - [118] Seems to me the only group actively trying to put anyone back in the dark ages is the Star Fraction. Not that you are capable of doing enough damage to even be considered a real threat. The CVA expansion of Amarrian space is an excellent service to God's Empire, and the pirates and terrorist organizations such as IO and U'K that stand in their way will die. I would suggest that IO save their lying protests of innocence and prepare themselves to face the consequences of their sins. Their hostile actions towards Amarr were noted long before this war was declared by God's servants in the CVA. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Drakonis Lox Caldari Phillips Transdimensionals Inc The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.03.01 11:26:00 - [119] Ikar, since you seem to know soooo much about the PTDI stuff in d-g, u would know that not only did we tell you that we recruited the kos member for the sole purpose of getting her banned for macroing, we suggested the deadline to have her removed. You would also know that we did take care of the situation one day ahead of our set time by podding her and telling her that if she came back we would do it again. Dark Renegade sent the pod mail to someone from CVA and got no response to it. Speak of what you know, and I hate to tell you, but your forums obviously have been doctored. The comments posed by dark above in this thread were not said on the date that was posted. They were not made until the day CVA engaged our poses. Please quit with the propoganda, and blatent lies. You are more of a pirate than any pirate I have ever met in this game, spitting your self-righteous nonsense and turning everything to what you would like to hear.
Drakonis Lox Caldari Phillips Transdimensionals Inc The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.03.01 11:37:00 - [120] I find myself wondering why someone from PIE inc. would be responding in this forum. They aren't even in CVA. Actually they might be the only smart amarrians left.

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