Originally by: Houzukimaru

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Edited by: Houzukimaru on 20/02/2007 07:08:56


on 2007-02-19 CVA formally declared war on the Imperial Order. On the day before the war CVA brought a hostile fleet over to our allies UK at unity station. IO then scrambled as many pilots as we could to help UNITY fend off the Hostile force. While still building up a force, we received word that the CVA fleet was now headed in our direction. We were outmanned and outgunned and in a split decision we decided to stay and defend our home system.

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Originally by: Ikar Kaltin

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Actually you were camping the Dital gate with a large bubble and large fleet so we came your way since UK were hiding :) And its not exactly a split decision when you anchor a large bubble and set up snipers...:P

Still, see you on the battlefield, and I hope you will stand with your face to the light when holy justice arrives unlike your "allies" UK who hide in the dark when we appear :)


EDIT: Oh and in case anyone gets confused, disclaimer: I dont represent CVA officially, just a wellwisher for the CVA cause in killing pirates.

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Originally by: Lowanaera

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You were deemed an enemy of the Empire to be shot on sight ages ago for your piratical activities. Now you will pay the ultimate price for your continued support of the Ushra'Khan terrorists.

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Originally by: Wanoah

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Once again, the CVA oppressors seek to destroy free commerce and legitimate business in the Providence region.

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Originally by: Wanoah

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Good hunting, Imperial Order. Freedom always has a price, and right now that price will be measured in CVA blood.

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Originally by: Houzukimaru

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Originally by: Lowanaera

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You were deemed an enemy of the Empire to be shot on sight ages ago for your piratical activities. Now you will pay the ultimate price for your continued support of the Ushra'Khan terrorists.

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Official Statement

We're not pirates, we just enforce a strong NBSI policy.

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Originally by: Wanoah

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... Providence represents a beacon of hope for those yearning to make their own choices in life - a choice that is denied to the billions of poor souls unfortunate enough to be living under the dark shadow of the Empire and its vassal states: the Minmatar Republic, the Khanid Kingdom, the Ammatar Mandate, and the Caldari State ...

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Originally by: Cmdr Baxter

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Finally, it is not a question of the State becoming associated with the Amarrian Empire. It is a question of the corporations of the State conducting legitimate business with their counterparts in the Amarrian Empire. Any two-year-old would know that there is no such thing as a foreign relations department within the Chief Executive Panel.

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Originally by: CEP Description

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The Chief Executive Panel is a political entity jointly owned and run by the Caldari mega corporations. The CEOs of the mega corporations sit on the board of the Panel and make sure the mega corporations don't go overboard in competing with each other, smoothing over potential conflicts before they escalate out of control. The Panel also handles the foreign policy of the Caldari State. It is the closest thing to a Caldari government as there ever will be.

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Quote:

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Before you go flinging around these wild accusations and only rile up my fellow Caldari with your insults and obscene remarks, please do us the favor of familiarizing yourself with the corporation structure of the State.

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Originally by: Ikar Kaltin

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yes, when pirates and terrorists work together everything becomes so easy for us:)

It is kind of sad to see UK fall to working with pirates, but I stopped being suprised by the lows that UK hit a long time ago.

For me theres only one new low to go, and thats 6 feet under:P

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Originally by: Houzukimaru

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Originally by: Lowanaera

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You were deemed an enemy of the Empire to be shot on sight ages ago for your piratical activities. Now you will pay the ultimate price for your continued support of the Ushra'Khan terrorists.

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Official Statement

We're not pirates, we just enforce a strong NBSI policy.

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Originally by: Solusar

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Edited by: Solusar on 20/02/2007 17:47:31
Edited by: Solusar on 20/02/2007 17:40:37
Crying on Galnet im afraid will do you no good.

You fired the first shots on multiple occasions and were given far more chances than you deserved. Piracy in Amarrian space will not be tolerated, allying with terrorist forces will not be tolerated, actively supporting terrorist forces will not be tolerated.

There have been many battles for several weeks before the declaration of war, we just tire of you running to concord for protection everytime we enter KBP so bribes have been paid to make them look the other way.

http://eve-files.com/dl/86228 I believe Hardin captured some footage from one of those battles.

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Originally by: Houzukimaru

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I'm just saying we're not pirates, even though you label us as such. Same thing with UK, just because you call them terrorist doesn't make them so. And i'm afraid we found CVA pirating in IO space long before the war, altough when CVA does it i'm sure you refer to it was some kind of holy crusade or something or the other.

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Originally by: Hardin

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Even if you were not aware of it (and it says a lot about your recruitment policy if you didn't) Davlin was a well known pirate in low-sec Amarr space - and even cited links with The Establishment - an organisation your friends in Ushra'Khan are more than familiar with.

Of course he does have a mothership so I am sure that little drawback was easy to overlook for the benefit of the alliance...

Imperial Order were given numerous opportunities to prove themselves good citizens in Providence which were spurned. We have plenty of documentary evidence of this. Deny the label all you like but the fact is that Imperial Order's policy of NBSI within Amarrian Space and Providence makes you pirates.

You shall now be punished for your transgressions.

See you in space...

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Originally by: Wanoah

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Once again, the CVA oppressors seek to destroy free commerce and legitimate business in the Providence region. Providence represents a beacon of hope for those yearning to make their own choices in life - a choice that is denied to the billions of poor souls unfortunate enough to be living under the dark shadow of the Empire and its vassal states: the Minmatar Republic, the Khanid Kingdom, the Ammatar Mandate, and the Caldari State.

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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Originally by: Clavius XIV

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Originally by: Wanoah

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Once again, the CVA oppressors seek to destroy free commerce and legitimate business in the Providence region. Providence represents a beacon of hope for those yearning to make their own choices in life - a choice that is denied to the billions of poor souls unfortunate enough to be living under the dark shadow of the Empire and its vassal states: the Minmatar Republic, the Khanid Kingdom, the Ammatar Mandate, and the Caldari State.

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An alliance who operates NBSI and regularly camps an entrance to Providence to enforce that policy is encouraging commerce and legitimate business how?

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Hands Down Kbp7 was an is the most hostile spot in prov. Extreme actions had to be taken to keep it safe. This Area was put under Martial Law. An because of the constant attacks it has stayed that way. Our relationship went bad because of a corp that's no longer in our alliance. Dread Elite. However we were set negative an we told we were not going to be actively hunted. You guys Made the first move by sending BC's not only to kbp7 but into the pocket. They didn't make it out alive but you're guys made the first move.
Are you so blinded that you can't see your own actions as piracy? Or is it ok to pirate because a holy power tells you so? If you kill people because they want freedom youÆre an evil pirate none the less. However what you guy's do is what you do. But it seems now you have brought the fight to us.

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Originally by: Wanoah

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Once again, the CVA oppressors seek to destroy free commerce and legitimate business in the Providence region.

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Originally by: Houzukimaru

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we just enforce a strong NBSI policy.

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Originally by: Houzukimaru

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As far as Davlin... He's a great pilot I asure you that those 'gankings' as you call them were all purely self defence. And even so he wasn't a member of IO at the time.

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Originally by: Garreck

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Edited by: Garreck on 20/02/2007 19:42:11

Originally by: Wanoah

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Once again, the CVA oppressors seek to destroy free commerce and legitimate business in the Providence region.

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Originally by: Houzukimaru

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we just enforce a strong NBSI policy.

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You guys gotta get on the same page, Wanoah...

To any who care, this conflict has been building for quite some time (with predictably favorable results) precisely because of Imperial Order's "Not Blue, Shoot It" policy. CVA always has and always will encouraged free commerce and legitimate business in Providence. Consider the coming decimation of Imperial Order a further execution of our legitimate business policy.

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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Those are very strong words. You have to understand that IO will not just defend our space. We will go on the offensive full force if you try to wipe us out. Do not make the mistake of taking us lightly

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Originally by: Wanoah

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the Empire and its vassal states: the Minmatar Republic, the Khanid Kingdom, the Ammatar Mandate, and the Caldari State.

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Originally by: Aequitas Harbinger

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In closing, CVA's crimes against humanity and The Imperial Order will be their undoing.

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Originally by: Aequitas Harbinger

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Edited by: Aequitas Harbinger on 21/02/2007 02:32:19
I'd like to touch on a few items mentioned here.

It does not matter who are the agressors: CVA has declared war, IO and UK will finish it.

We are thrilled to be working even closer with Ushra'Khan. Representing the same ideals (but implementing them differently), a common war will pull us even closer. So thank you for that, CVA.

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Originally by: Pociomundo

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Edited by: Pociomundo on 23/02/2007 07:07:07


Perhaps you could extend that to not blanket labelling every member of an entire alliance because of the actions of few you may have witnessed / perceieved as being that of pirates.

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Originally by: Pociomundo

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Edited by: Pociomundo on 23/02/2007 07:07:07
Perhaps you could extend that to not blanket labelling every member of an entire alliance because of the actions of few you may have witnessed / perceieved as being that of pirates.

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Originally by: Tharrn

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Edited by: Tharrn on 23/02/2007 10:16:48

Originally by: Pociomundo

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Edited by: Pociomundo on 23/02/2007 07:07:07
Perhaps you could extend that to not blanket labelling every member of an entire alliance because of the actions of few you may have witnessed / perceieved as being that of pirates.

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Cast out the bad apples or be labeled as pirates as you condone their actions. That's how it usually works.

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Originally by: Gaius Kador

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An amusing thought struck me...

Would the Imperial Order explain their choice of a name?

AFter all there is only One Empire...

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Originally by: Rania Serlia

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Clearly our empire and god are greater than yours.

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Originally by: Tristeria

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Yeh.....were not an rp alliance

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Originally by: Garreck

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Originally by: Rania Serlia

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Clearly our empire and god are greater than yours.

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By exactly what measure, I wonder?

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Originally by: Rania Serlia

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One Empire, One God, one Belief is a purely amarr doctrine. Clearly our empire and god are greater than yours.

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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Originally by: Rania Serlia

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One Empire, One God, one Belief is a purely amarr doctrine. Clearly our empire and god are greater than yours.

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His View's do not reflect the view's or idea's of the alliance. His statements we based from his own ideas. Any further statements posted without The Order's consent will result in swift punishment.

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Originally by: Eveliddia

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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Originally by: Rania Serlia

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One Empire, One God, one Belief is a purely amarr doctrine. Clearly our empire and god are greater than yours.

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His View's do not reflect the view's or idea's of the alliance. His statements we based from his own ideas. Any further statements posted without The Order's consent will result in swift punishment.

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If only you had taken such a stance when your men began pirating and working with disreputable individuals.

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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Originally by: Eveliddia

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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Originally by: Rania Serlia

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One Empire, One God, one Belief is a purely amarr doctrine. Clearly our empire and god are greater than yours.

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His View's do not reflect the view's or idea's of the alliance. His statements we based from his own ideas. Any further statements posted without The Order's consent will result in swift punishment.

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If only you had taken such a stance when your men began pirating and working with disreputable individuals.

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It's very simple. I was away. The person that stood in my place supported what was going on. I tried to work things out once I returned but your leaders were not willing to do so. IO has defended this damned space for the last 8+ months. Fought against all forms of pirates. We control this area and will protect it how we see fit.

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Originally by: Reash

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Questions -

1)If you do not support what was going on, what have you done about it? (besides enforcing a NBSI policy and recruiting a known mothership pirate)

2) How do you see yourself as different to the "pirates" as you both operate NBSI?

3) Do you just consider anything not blue a pirate?

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Originally by: Rania Serlia

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How does CVA define the term "pirate"?

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Originally by: Aequitas Harbinger

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I had answered these questions but realized it was wasted. We all know events transpired because we are friends of Ushra'Khan. Calling us pirates is an attempt to validate yourselves to the galaxy.

If you have a real desire to speak on the subject, a private conversation is an option.

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Originally by: Maggot

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Given a CVA fleet attacked a neutral POS in unoccupied space near NOS territory then they have no grounds for taking the higher moral ground when it comes to piracy.

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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Originally by: Maggot

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Given a CVA fleet attacked a neutral POS in unoccupied space near NOS territory then they have no grounds for taking the higher moral ground when it comes to piracy.

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Intel Tells they were told to join or die. An CVA took down the POS for NOS. This is much closer to the truth. LetÆs face it. YouÆre Pirates or your NOS's hit men. I wonder who's running the show. You or them.

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Originally by: Hardin

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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Originally by: Maggot

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Given a CVA fleet attacked a neutral POS in unoccupied space near NOS territory then they have no grounds for taking the higher moral ground when it comes to piracy.

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Intel Tells they were told to join or die. An CVA took down the POS for NOS. This is much closer to the truth. LetÆs face it. YouÆre Pirates or your NOS's hit men. I wonder who's running the show. You or them.

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I have to admit these two quotes made me laugh.

The CVA allows lots of neutrals to occupy our space. Indeed we have good relations with a number of other neutal entities in Providence who I also believe co-exist with Ushra'Khan and Imperial Order.

In this instance the corp involved (Philips Transdimensional) were told politely that they could not have a POS where it was constructed. We asked them to remove it. We did this on several occasions. Not only did said corp not remove the POS they also made numerous threats of death and destruction against the CVA and then enlisted Ushra'khan and Imperial Order help to protect their assets. This could not be tolerated so the POS were blown up.

We note that shortly after said corp joined Imperial Order and wonder whether this whole incident was a preconcieved ploy by our enemies to use 'neutrality' to gain a foothold in strategic systems bordering our space.

Unfortunately, this attempt failed as has the more recent attempt to infiltrate NOS space.

Imperial Order you had many chances to preserve your neutrality with us but your persistent attacks on neutrals in Providence and low-sec Amarrian space due to your illegal adoption of an NBSI policy means that you are indeed pirates in our eyes and shall be treated as such.

Your continued support for UShra'Khan, you involvement in the attack on NOS, the recruitment of known low-sec pirate Davlin Lotze and your acceptance of a corporation which had deliberately gone out of its way to provoke CVA means your fate is sealed.

If you do wish to end this war then expel Davlin Lotze, and make a public statement renouncing piracy and apologising to CVA for your actions in support of terrorism and piracy. If you can refrain from shooting CVA and neutrals then it may just be possible that we can refrain from shooting you.

Do not believe the propoganda spouted by the terrorists in UShra'Khan we can be perfectly reasonable if given the chance...

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Originally by: Maggot

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Given a CVA fleet attacked a neutral POS in unoccupied space near NOS territory then they have no grounds for taking the higher moral ground when it comes to piracy.

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Originally by: Solusar

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Originally by: Maggot

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Given a CVA fleet attacked a neutral POS in unoccupied space near NOS territory then they have no grounds for taking the higher moral ground when it comes to piracy.

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Nice try.

They were given plenty of time and warning to remove said POS. Instead they decided to make threats against CVA, insult many members of the CVA and refuse to remove the pos. We dont take kindly to people threatening us.

Once they called in UK and IO to defend the pos it was clear what the true intentions of that corporation were, a screen to setup a POS within close range of CVA installations.

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Originally by: Aequitas Harbinger

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The truth is, for the third occasion now, CVA's transgressions has brought valuable allies to our alliance and friends that were unknown beforehand and only came to our attention because of CVA's "skill" in making enemies.

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Originally by: Garreck

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Originally by: Aequitas Harbinger

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The truth is, for the third occasion now, CVA's transgressions has brought valuable allies to our alliance and friends that were unknown beforehand and only came to our attention because of CVA's "skill" in making enemies.

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If holding people accountable for being rude neighbors with big mouths who like to make threats means we're skilled at making enemies, then so be it. We don't want random towers popping up around our space owned by organizations who are disrespectful and unpredictable. If this is the sort you seek to recruit, then our war against Imperial Order is once again validated.

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Originally by: Aequitas Harbinger

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giving them the ultimatim to join CVA or NOS, leave, or be destroyed

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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Now now children, play nice.

Don't make us come home for a visit.

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Originally by: sherbert lemon

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CVA, you are enterting in a battle you can never win, no matter how many you kill, no matter how long you camp, no matter how many ships you bring, you will never take KBP7 from The Imperial Order.

You know why? Because its there home.

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Originally by: Garreck

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The logical leap here...that one cannot take space simply because it's another's home...is really quite stunning, particularly given current events with many of the major powers fighting and some inevitably falling.

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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I thought you guys were banned and made a deal to save your assets the last time you came to prov. Pirates can't be trusted I see to hold there word. However I returned from my sleep only 2 days after that war ended. An being that you've spoken you've already made your mind to come back. "My Guns will blaze with Righteous Fury & strike those down that stand before me"

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Originally by: Maggot

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The D-GTMI incident shows that CVA are nothing more than privateers operating on license from their headless Empire.

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Just adding a bit to the wise statement quoted above: CVA tends to make up and amend the aforementioned "license" whenever it suites them. In fact, the residents of catch\providence border systems might well wonder when their ultimatum is coming?

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Originally by: Maggot

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The D-GTMI incident shows that CVA are nothing more than privateers operating on license from their headless Empire.

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Just adding a bit to the wise statement quoted above: CVA tends to make up and amend the aforementioned "license" whenever it suites them. In fact, the residents of catch\providence border systems might well wonder when their ultimatum is coming?

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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I thought you guys were banned and made a deal to save your assets the last time you came to prov. Pirates can't be trusted I see to hold there word. However I returned from my sleep only 2 days after that war ended. An being that you've spoken you've already made your mind to come back. "My Guns will blaze with Righteous Fury & strike those down that stand before me"

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Banned? Please sir, you hold yourself in too high esteem. We cut a deal with your more effective neighbors because we got what we wanted - the total and utter lockdown of your home space and the absolute destruction of your forces. As I remember, your own campaign analysts recorded your forces as only having a whopping 3.45% efficiency against us - before orders were given to strike the entire debacle from the database.

Mark my words, if you keep up your childish actions we will be back - and you should know how we like to reduce your fleets to rubble.

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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You'll be back anyhow. I was also not there during this time frame. You attacked after serveral massive wars. Your attacks on our comms an timing was pefect. However STFU becuase you'll be back anyhow. Stat's don't matter. Your goal was to wipe us out an you failed. I believe you failed three times in a row. Alot has changed since my return. You will need help to take us down pirates. An it won't be an easy task.

PS: You responding here means you were looking for a reason. You speaking here has no merit but to get attention. Lol I guess I gave it to you

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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You'll be back anyhow. I was also not there during this time frame. You attacked after serveral massive wars. Your attacks on our comms an timing was pefect. However STFU becuase you'll be back anyhow. Stat's don't matter. Your goal was to wipe us out an you failed. I believe you failed three times in a row. Alot has changed since my return. You will need help to take us down pirates. An it won't be an easy task.

PS: You responding here means you were looking for a reason. You speaking here has no merit but to get attention. Lol I guess I gave it to you.

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Originally by: Hardin

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Indeed it is due to our open space policy that many pilots enjoyed their first taste of 0.0 protected by the shield of Amarrian justice that is the CVA.

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Originally by: Hardin

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Yes we do offer advice and guidance on the placement of POS and reserve the right to refuse permission if we are not satisfied with the placement or the attitude of the applicants...

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Originally by: Hardin

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And anyway why should anyone take advice from you? Until recently you preyed on innocents in low-sec Amarrian space -only leaving when CVA destroyed the POSes you used as a base for your mothership.

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Originally by: Hardin

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The CVA is building and extending Amarrian law and order to 0.0. Obviously, the lawless and terroristic among the galaxy's pod pilots despise this but that wont stop us.

Our Deliverance project is a small step on the path to the eventual Reclaiming.

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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In the midst of your propaganda, your dirty secrets and plans to subjugate even more capsuleering entities slips out.

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Originally by: Rania Serlia

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"Because in CVA, we like to have presumed neutral pilots sitting in our systems, in our stations, at our gates, we don't believe any possiblity that they are indeed hostile or hostile sympathizers."

Not Blue, Shoot It.

We don't like spies.

Not that I speak for my alliance or anything, but if you aren't wiling to declare that you are friendly by getting set blue(a very simple thing), then you are presumed hostile.

Simple as that.

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Originally by: Pezzle

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Edited by: Pezzle on 26/02/2007 21:28:20
Edited by: Pezzle on 26/02/2007 21:27:34

Originally by: Rania Serlia

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"Because in CVA, we like to have presumed neutral pilots sitting in our systems, in our stations, at our gates, we don't believe any possiblity that they are indeed hostile or hostile sympathizers."

Not Blue, Shoot It.

We don't like spies.

Not that I speak for my alliance or anything, but if you aren't wiling to declare that you are friendly by getting set blue(a very simple thing), then you are presumed hostile.

Simple as that.

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Wait a minute, one of you states we might make mistakes on our declarations of hostile intent. WE gather evidence to support our stance. Another states if you do not *make* an arrangement you will be shot. YOU expect them to make contact. See anything wrong here?

CVA takes great pains to identify troublemakers while leaving the innocent unharmed. If mistakes are made we take responsibility. Our generosity extends to all willing to live by a few simple rules. Can you say the same?

We are willing to accept the extra burden these measures entail in the name of the Empire. Attacking a ship because it does not beg you for passage is uncivilized.

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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The point is we give others a chance to be blue an or take another route. You give people the option to follow your rules or die. We control one entry point into prov. There is another point about 7 jumps away. You can not call us pirates for protecting our space. This war is pointless but fun. You need to re-think your motives an see if they are really correct.

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Originally by: Drakonis Lox

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.... We never go so much as a warning, and no, there was never a pack up and leave or die, just shooting started.

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Originally by: Pezzle

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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The point is we give others a chance to be blue an or take another route. You give people the option to follow your rules or die. We control one entry point into prov. There is another point about 7 jumps away. You can not call us pirates for protecting our space. This war is pointless but fun. You need to re-think your motives an see if they are really correct.

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No

You attack anyone who has not made arrangements with you. This makes you a hostile entity. You are pirates. Our attacks are not made on the possibility of a phantom.

This war is pointless? More the fool you. We stand for law and order. We bring stability and peace. We promote commerce. We encourage growth. We do our duty. We serve beyond ourselves. War is not 'fun', barbarian.

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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You and this pirate thing. It's our space an we protect it how we see fit. How is that pirating?

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Originally by: Pezzle

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Practice of NBSI in Amarr Providence makes you a pirate.

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Originally by: Pezzle

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Why do I think IO are deliberately trying to misunderstand this situation?

You sit on an access point into Providence. You shoot anyone who has not made an 'arrangement' with you. Practice of NBSI in Amarr Providence makes you a pirate. Accepting pirates and pirate corps into your Alliance brands you as a pirate sympathizer. Assisting rebels in the Imperial territory known as Providence makes you an enemy of the Empire.

There are simple solutions to these problems. Renounce piracy and remove them from your Alliance. Stop aiding rebels in attacks on Amarr forces. Cease your NBSI policy and adopt an attitude that will promote the growth of Providence.

Alternatively you may continue to lose assets to the point that any decision you make will be rather meaningless.

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Originally by: Ramruqai

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If I had know Imperial Order would be these kind of folks you would have gone KOS to CVA back in June 2006 or sooner. Imperial Order has done so many things that usually get a KOS stamp from CVA that they should consider them selfs lucky that they were on neutral standing (that is blue in your book NBSI folks)when they were first starting out in providence.

The first ever issue with Imperial Order was when they killed a CVA Taranis in 0.0, I'm afraid the alliance logs do not state where exactly this was but it really is irrelevant cause CVA were on good terms with Imperial Order at the time. IO did the right thing here and reimbursed the pilot in question and it was marked as a mistake.

The secont event was when a CVA gang was attacked in KBP in on of IO many gate camps. Vampire Lord that has been running a big mouth in this thread already was there himself. CVA ships destroyed were Cyclone and Arbitrator. At this time most would consider if IO actually are even disciplined enough to run a NBSI policy. CVA hold of KOS on IO for a while and sort this out peacefully and both ships are reimbursed.
Aralis was the one handling negotiation, and at the time alliance leader. Aralis said to CVA: "They have given up NBSI and paid out to those they blew up and it's settled. Not KOS as hopefully all know by now." - We can all agree that they indeed did not keep their promise. Peace was still between the two after this incident, delicate one maybe but peace none the less.

21st October of 2006 a pilot of CCCPI was shot and killed in the low sec part of the Amarrian region Domain. Zanka is the system in question. Josey Whales of the World Order was the pirate. I send a mail to his CEO and asked that he'd been booted, we got no reply, the member later left IO and joined Privateers among others. Hopefully not the kinda folks IO want in their ranks. Despite this IO was not added to KOS.

December 2006 was when IO are placed on CVA KOS list. The drops that filled the meter are IO's attacks on members of the 1st Praetorian Guard a very close friend of CVA and one of their members Killza pirating a mining barge in Mamet (low sec domain, 3 jumps from CVA's first outpost) Also a member of World Order at the time.
Lastly I want to add this chat log from two IO members around October the 1st
CarpeNoctem667 > Amandi we do pirate
CarpeNoctem667 > If their not blue to us then we blow them up cause they have no relation to us
MickeyFinn > We are ******* pyrits...
MickeyFinn > Look at my sec stat.

If this explanation is not enough for IO to understand and see the error of their way and negotiate with CVA there is no other fate for you than the one your supposed friends of the Ushra'Khan. You will either reason with us or feel the wrath of Amarrian superiority through holy light of our lasers and ammo!

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Originally by: Jove Centauri

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We will fight you, everywhere and anywhere, until we have nothing left to fight you with.

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Originally by: Ikar Kaltin

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poor dillusional propaganda

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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By CVA standards 9 out of 10 alliances are "pirate entities."

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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Do the rank and file average CVA member wish to fight 90% of Eve's alliance community?

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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What do I know of alliance faring you might ask? Well, despite Sir Hardin's attempts to paint me with a singular brush of a pirate, inconvenient facts are ignored. Facts that don't fit into the overall picture he tries to present regarding me.

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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If Hardin et al leave so much truth out of their characterizations of me, how much aren't they sharing with the rank and file in CVA?

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Originally by: Morden Nok

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Truth is, you're a pirate.

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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During the same period they have also supported low sec entities that really have neither the capacity to maintain their space nor the willingness to learn how so long as the CVA umbrella protects them.

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Originally by: Garreck

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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During the same period they have also supported low sec entities that really have neither the capacity to maintain their space nor the willingness to learn how so long as the CVA umbrella protects them.

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This discussion is making progress! Finally an Imperial Order pilot gives at least tacit acknowledgement that the CVA is, in fact, a benevolent alliance, providing a service in Providence despite prior Imperial Order claims to our apparent expansionistic thuggery.

Very good.

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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There's no need to make a claim to something, ie your expansionistic thuggery, when it's admitted to repeatedly by your leaders, albeit in epheumistic lingo dressed up with definitional distortions such as what constitutes a pirate as an apetizer.:)

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Originally by: Pezzle

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Providence is Amarr space.

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Originally by: Pezzle

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Providence is Amarr space.

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Originally by: Drakonis Lox

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I find myself wondering why someone from PIE inc. would be responding in this forum. They aren't even in CVA. Actually they might be the only smart amarrians left.

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Originally by: Kovid

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Space is for no one to claim. It is not given, ordained, or owed. It was there before you, and will be when you are gone, including the Amarr.

But go ahead fight amongst yourselves until your corporations and then empires your paramilitary corporations support put themselves back in the dark ages.

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Originally by: Pezzle

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Edited by: Pezzle on 01/03/2007 14:06:36

Originally by: Kovid

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Space is for no one to claim. It is not given, ordained, or owed. It was there before you, and will be when you are gone, including the Amarr.

But go ahead fight amongst yourselves until your corporations and then empires your paramilitary corporations support put themselves back in the dark ages.

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This has nothing to do with you, despite your eagerness to stick your nose into everything, anarchist.


As it has ever been, CVA holds our PIE brothers and sisters in the highest regard. Thank you for your words of support.

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Originally by: Drakonis Lox

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Ikar, since you seem to know soooo much about the PTDI stuff in d-g, u would know that not only did we tell you that we recruited the kos member for the sole purpose of getting her banned for macroing, we suggested the deadline to have her removed. You would also know that we did take care of the situation one day ahead of our set time by podding her and telling her that if she came back we would do it again. Dark Renegade sent the pod mail to someone from CVA and got no response to it. Speak of what you know, and I hate to tell you, but your forums obviously have been doctored. The comments posed by dark above in this thread were not said on the date that was posted. They were not made until the day CVA engaged our poses. Please quit with the propoganda, and blatent lies. You are more of a pirate than any pirate I have ever met in this game, spitting your self-righteous nonsense and turning everything to what you would like to hear.

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze
Most puzzling pezzle. Yourself and CVA being concerned about "sticking ones nose in where it doesn't belong." Nothing else, to be frank, describes the morally depraved position of the CVA better than that phrase.[/quote

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Providence has been the business of CVA since before you moved here. CVA fought and bled to remove pirates from the area for the good of the Empire. Piracy is your business, you are a Mothership toting skinjob using Pirate. Why not stick to that? Clearly you have no grasp of this situation.

On the subject of 'bull' How about a direct answer how Anti-pirates and NBSI go together? Or we can talk about how blatent enclosurism and hostility encourages trade and growth? Or we can talk about using NBSI as an excuse for your 'security'? Or we could discuss how you use NBSI because you cannot be bothered to do the hard work of building something lasting?

Pick one, pick two or three? Stop dodging the issues please.

Originally by: Vampire Lord

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I would really like to see a responce to this from CVA. One direct answer instead of bull.

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Originally by: Pezzle

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze
Most puzzling pezzle. Yourself and CVA being concerned about "sticking ones nose in where it doesn't belong." Nothing else, to be frank, describes the morally depraved position of the CVA better than that phrase.[/quote

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Providence has been the business of CVA since before you moved here. CVA fought and bled to remove pirates from the area for the good of the Empire. Piracy is your business, you are a Mothership toting skinjob using Pirate. Why not stick to that? Clearly you have no grasp of this situation.

On the subject of 'bull' How about a direct answer how Anti-pirates and NBSI go together? Or we can talk about how blatent enclosurism and hostility encourages trade and growth? Or we can talk about using NBSI as an excuse for your 'security'? Or we could discuss how you use NBSI because you cannot be bothered to do the hard work of building something lasting?

Pick one, pick two or three? Stop dodging the issues please.

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A little research shows: Pezzle - Imperial Academy - 2006.03.03 00:10:00

And you are getting the rest of your "vast knowledge" of Providence history from where exactly? I was involved in Providence and the area long before Pezzle was even a twinkle in your eye :)

Originally by: Rodj Blake

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It's curious that you comment on PIE posting here, but do not seem to have noticed the Star Fraction post that Gaven was responding to.

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze
A little research shows: Pezzle - Imperial Academy - 2006.03.03 00:10:00

And you are getting the rest of your "vast knowledge" of Providence history from where exactly? I was involved in Providence and the area long before Pezzle was even a twinkle in your eye :)[/quote

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Your time in the area is not the issue. You are ignoring the mission of the CVA in the area. Are you seriously claiming that a person cannot know of events if they were not around at the time?
For my part, I happen to know several pilots who lived in Providence before CVA moved in. In fact they fought CVA at that time. They were willing to share a good deal of that history with me. In fact my knowledge was accurate and in depth enough for CVA to be leery of me as a spy of all things.

Apart from that there are my months of service in the area before joining CVA AND my education since acceptance.

The CVA is here promoting expansion and development of Amarr Providence. This includes removal of Pirates (you) and rebels, promotion of commerce, and maintaining Amarr law. CVA operates a strict NRDS policy because the Empire demands it. The CVA promotes peace and growth in the name of the Empire. The CVA asks for nothing but a willingness to abide law.

Piracy promotes instability and barbarism. IO, it is possible to promote your own interests and serve a greater good at once. Be willing to accept civility and law. You will find your fortunes turn for the better. The Empire looks kindly upon those who support order and prosperity.

Originally by: Vampire Lord

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Originally by: Drakonis Lox

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Ikar, since you seem to know soooo much about the PTDI stuff in d-g, u would know that not only did we tell you that we recruited the kos member for the sole purpose of getting her banned for macroing, we suggested the deadline to have her removed. You would also know that we did take care of the situation one day ahead of our set time by podding her and telling her that if she came back we would do it again. Dark Renegade sent the pod mail to someone from CVA and got no response to it. Speak of what you know, and I hate to tell you, but your forums obviously have been doctored. The comments posed by dark above in this thread were not said on the date that was posted. They were not made until the day CVA engaged our poses. Please quit with the propoganda, and blatent lies. You are more of a pirate than any pirate I have ever met in this game, spitting your self-righteous nonsense and turning everything to what you would like to hear.

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I would really like to see a responce to this from CVA. One direct answer instead of bull.

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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A little research shows: Pezzle - Imperial Academy - 2006.03.03 00:10:00

And you are getting the rest of your "vast knowledge" of Providence history from where exactly? I was involved in Providence and the area long before Pezzle was even a twinkle in your eye :)

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Originally by: Kovid

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Corporations, empires, come and go. They take space, they claim it so they say, they impose their rules within their borders. Those rules conflict with the people who believe it's their space or was before at one time. It goes back and forth. In essence that seems to be happening here.

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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Edited by: Righteous Fury on 02/03/2007 01:15:38

Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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A little research shows: Pezzle - Imperial Academy - 2006.03.03 00:10:00

And you are getting the rest of your "vast knowledge" of Providence history from where exactly? I was involved in Providence and the area long before Pezzle was even a twinkle in your eye :)

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And how long do you claim to have been a part of the Providence "community" exactly? As a corporation, and as an individual, we have been around Providence for three years now. Reviewing your sanctioned corporate employment history and searching our own corporate information stores, I see absolutely nothing backing up your claims of having been a resident of the area for any time whatsoever.

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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I guess you're not doing your homework then are you? And tbh, it's not my job to do it for you.

Especially in light of the "lacking quality" of your contribution to this thread and lack of respect for the alliance to which I belong.

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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I guess you're not doing your homework then are you? And tbh, it's not my job to do it for you.

Especially in light of the "lacking quality" of your contribution to this thread and lack of respect for the alliance to which I belong.

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If you're going to make grandiose claims of ownership and not back them up, you are nothing more than a fool. You are the one who maid the claim, the burden of proof is on you. Until that point, you're just another small time pirate who pretends to have a storied past in order to make up for his lack of achievements in life.

And as for respect, well, you can ask your alliance leaders about that. I have a large amount of respect for people who have proven themselves time and again (such as CVA, although we share mutual negative standings), whereas your "alliance" has a bad habit of running off at the mouth while being totally unable to back up any of it's claims with action.

...kind of like this communications thread, isn't it?

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Originally by: Davlin Lotze

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When I choose to "back up" what I have to say in regards to your "confusion" regarding me, the time and place of my appearance will be of my choosing and you won't know what happened until after you wake up in your clone bay. Because trust me, when I choose to "drop in" on someone, it's quite an experience for those on the receiving end. That's how IO and I met after all :)

They impressed me by standing up and fighting with their friends in UK. Hence, I joined them and have been pleased with my decision every since.

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Originally by: Ottom Ephesianos

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While IÆve already voiced by support for the effort IO has put forth in fending off CVA advaces I have no need to look in here and find CVA trying to climb the ladder of honor with undocumented accusations of IO piracy?

IO has ushered CVA out of their space as slaver pilots attempt to make a way to ours. If there was any piracy throughout those encounters I can be almost 100% sure it was IO, picking the scum off as they marched to Unity station. If such an act of self preservation can be considered piracyà

CVA should keep their ships in Empire and wait for us to come to them. We wouldnÆt be in this situation right now if they could do that, now would we?

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Originally by: Ottom Ephesianos

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Edited by: Ottom Ephesianos on 05/03/2007 15:09:57
While IÆve already voiced my support for the effort IO has put forth in fending off CVA advances I have no need to look in here and find CVA trying to climb the ladder of honor with undocumented accusations of IO piracy?

IO has ushered CVA out of their space as slaver pilots attempt to make a way to ours. If there was any piracy throughout those encounters I can be almost 100% sure it was IO, picking the scum off as they marched to Unity station. If such an act of self preservation can be considered piracyà

CVA should keep their ships in Empire and wait for us to come to them. We wouldnÆt be in this situation right now if they could do that, now would we?

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Originally by: Ottom Ephesianos

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CVA should keep their ships in Empire and wait for us to come to them.

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Originally by: Ottom Ephesianos

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tit for tat? Warriors lets take a long look at the meaning of attrition.

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Originally by: Solusar

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Im sure all those haulers passing through Egghelende/Kourmonen/Amamake were a major threat to Imperial Order. These are not undocumented, IO pilots are bragging about them.

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Originally by: Garreck

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Edited by: Garreck on 05/03/2007 16:27:28

Originally by: Ottom Ephesianos

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CVA should keep their ships in Empire and wait for us to come to them.

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Garreck grins
You should be so lucky, terrorist.

Originally by: Ottom Ephesianos

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tit for tat? Warriors lets take a long look at the meaning of attrition.

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I fail entirely to see how the destruction of completely neutral parties in the Bleaklands or any Empire space on Imperial Order's part constitutes attrition. Indeed, the CVA are demonstrating the true meaning of attrition to Imperial Order on a daily basis now. Nice attempt at deflection, though.

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Originally by: Pezzle

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If your members want to back pirates they can die like pirates. Do not dream you are anywhere near breaking even in this war.


The Blood you see is your own. The Sharks are the CVA.

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Originally by: Pezzle

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We know you are busy pirating in Heimatar, Domain, Providence, Sinq, and other places. Come on in boys, we have lasers for everyone.

Bring us your best, because if this is it, you are already beaten.


Amarr Victor

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Originally by: PCaBoo

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We may not be the ideological hero, but we stand for those who oppose tyranny and
oppression. We stand against CVA.

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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Originally by: Pezzle

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If your members want to back pirates they can die like pirates. Do not dream you are anywhere near breaking even in this war.


The Blood you see is your own. The Sharks are the CVA.

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YouÆre more like a pack of ravid dogs that feed our fuel. I believe we've caused a massive amount of damage to your forces as you've done the same. This is no understatement. However we've not even pulled in all our forces to fight as we have other things to do. This war is just entertainment for most. As you can see last night we faced 2 to 1 odds an still engaged you and your ally's NOS. The point is we won't back down. An I believe the end result was about even. We are no walk in the park. IO Forever

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Originally by: PCaBoo

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Originally by: Pezzle

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We know you are busy pirating in Heimatar, Domain, Providence, Sinq, and other places. Come on in boys, we have lasers for everyone.

Bring us your best, because if this is it, you are already beaten.


Amarr Victor

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And what name does your Tyranny go by, today?
We may not be the ideological hero, but we stand for those who oppose tyranny and oppression. We stand against CVA.

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Originally by: DorXtar

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I thought piracy involved asking for ransoms. Anything that doesn't involve ransoms is just griefing. Please let me know if I am in the wrong.

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Originally by: Reash

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Originally by: DorXtar

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I thought piracy involved asking for ransoms. Anything that doesn't involve ransoms is just griefing. Please let me know if I am in the wrong.

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You are wrong, piracy is a robbery, this can be by either ransoming or by taking something using more force, such as blowing up the ship.

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Originally by: DorXtar

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Then LV have pirates in their ranks.

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Originally by: Garreck

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Originally by: DorXtar

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Then LV have pirates in their ranks.

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A revelation of stunning magnitude.

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Originally by: Centuria

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* Centuria's voice becomes cold as ice.
And you, Brother Ottom Ephesianos.. You are nothing but a worm beneth my shoes. A heretic. You
should know better than to slander us while you hide in your hole with the rest of the heathens called
Ushra Khan. Come out, come out where ever you are.

Untill that time.. Stay silent.

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Originally by: Ottom Ephesianos

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...don't call me brother though.

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Originally by: Drasery

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Edited by: Drasery on 08/03/2007 18:36:51
IO is not a pirate organization for our own protection we operate under a NBSI in all space.

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Originally by: Pezzle

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NBSI makes you a pirate. I do believe this has been made clear.

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Originally by: Shaloran Kalior

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I had kept quiet in here due to not wishing to involve myself in the epic battle of overinflated ego's, however, this comment is so ludicrous that I cannot let it pass unchallenged.

Holding an NBSI policy does NOT make an entity a pirate. The stance the IO has taken is NBSI. CVA takes the view that entities which operate under NBSI are pirates. Therefore, in the opinion of CVA, and those who share the opinion of CVA, IO are pirates.

That one entity holds an opinion does not make it truth.

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Originally by: Hardin

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As we have said before NBSI in low-sec Empire space is just another name piracy and this is what Imperial Order are engaged in.

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Originally by: Thomas Maleficus

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It is only polite to knock on a strangers door before being welcomed into the home. I see no reason that pilots should not do the same before entering another corp or alliances home.

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Originally by: madcooie

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NBSI will continue and if you see it as 'piracy' that's up to you and your alliances opinions. The only reason we have for operating an NBSI is to keep the pocket clear of any potential nasties that may come in otherwise. If you or your alliance see protecting our own assets and alliance members as piracy so be it. We don't particularly care about the politics, you started a war over pretty much nothing and was CVA's own fault in the first place!!!

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Originally by: madcooie

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NBSI will continue and if you see it as 'piracy' that's up to you and your alliances opinions. The only reason we have for operating an NBSI is to keep the pocket clear of any potential nasties that may come in otherwise. If you or your alliance see protecting our own assets and alliance members as piracy so be it. We don't particularly care about the politics, you started a war over pretty much nothing and was CVA's own fault in the first place!!!

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Originally by: Pezzle

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I fail to see what attacks on various ships in Amamake, Eggelende, Kourmonen, Ogusor, Auga, Basan, Gratesier, Gasavak, Brin, Ardar, Siseide, Taff, Basgerin, Kamela, Huola or in areas like the Great Wildlands.. have to do with you protecting where you squat. Address the issue at hand, pirate.

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Originally by: Thomas Maleficus

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I would like to offer the following analogy. When one has a private dwelling on their home planet where ever that may be, only those who are welcome, who have a relationship to you are permitted on your property. The delivery person, family, friends etc, all have for lack of a better word, standings with you. However, when someone enters your house unannounced and unknown to you, your immediate thought is the defence of your family and your house. It is only polite to knock on a strangers door before being welcomed into the home. I see no reason that pilots should not do the same before entering another corp or alliances home.

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Originally by: Aequitas Harbinger

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Edited by: Aequitas Harbinger on 10/03/2007 06:36:33

Originally by: Pezzle

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I fail to see what attacks on various ships in Amamake, Eggelende, Kourmonen, Ogusor, Auga, Basan, Gratesier, Gasavak, Brin, Ardar, Siseide, Taff, Basgerin, Kamela, Huola or in areas like the Great Wildlands.. have to do with you protecting where you squat. Address the issue at hand, pirate.

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You know those are pirate havens, Pezzle. Those kills you see on the logs are in self-defense. Before you say, the industrial ships are unfriendly suppliers.

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A door to door salesman enters your house un-announced, or quite possibly you miss him knocking. I've no doubts you'll be ****ed, tell him to leave, and threaten to take action. But I highly doubt your going to shoot some fat guy with a huge backback who wants nothing more then to sell you a vacuum.

By your own analogetic theory, ganking haulers, even if it's just due to NBSI, is still piracy. Many victems of NBSI are haulers or miners. Theres is no "Get out or i'll shoot" involved, theres only PEW PEW, BOOM "but I only wanted to sell you a vacuum ;-;"

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Originally by: Drakus

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I never thought i'd find myself saying this, but Good luck CVA.

I say this because there are IO members that just make me sick.

As many of you that watch this forum know, UK and friends are fighting CVA and friends in a largescale operation right now. THis is fight to the death. And what do i see in Eggelend (or however its spelt)? 5 or 6 IO members activly pirating. They have a major ally in need, and instead of going and helping, these idiots are pirating. Or "we're just operating our NBSI policy outside of our space, it's called Yartring"

I wish that UK would just let CVA run these guys outta provi, or atleast put pressure on them to get the pirate members out of there corps. Its disgusting to see.

So good luck CVA, kill'em all.

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Originally by: Green Halo

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Do you even know half of the history of IO and UK?

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Originally by: Drakus

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As many of you that watch this forum know, UK and friends are fighting CVA and friends in a largescale operation right now. THis is fight to the death. And what do i see in Eggelend (or however its spelt)? 5 or 6 IO members activly pirating.

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I never thought i'd find myself saying this, but Good luck CVA.

I say this because there are IO members that just make me sick.

As many of you that watch this forum know, UK and friends are fighting CVA and friends in a largescale operation right now. THis is fight to the death. And what do i see in Eggelend (or however its spelt)? 5 or 6 IO members activly pirating. They have a major ally in need, and instead of going and helping, these idiots are pirating. Or "we're just operating our NBSI policy outside of our space, it's called Yartring"

I wish that UK would just let CVA run these guys outta provi, or atleast put pressure on them to get the pirate members out of there corps. Its disgusting to see.

So good luck CVA, kill'em all.

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Originally by: Drakus

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And my dear, you really need to check into people before you throw accusations at them.

I was with the Ushra'Khan before there was an alliance.
I put in millions of my own isk into the creation of there first outpost.
I was there when they first settled in Provi, hell, the first tower that Fu2 erected was purchased solely by myself.
I was with them when we used to fight PIE in empire all the time, i remember the times of the golden fleet.
I was with them way before you even got your pod license.

So don't you dare insinuate that i don't know the history of IO and UK.

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Originally by: Redpants

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...I have no love for the Amarrians...all Imperial politics aside...aiding our new friends the CVA in ... their interests.

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Originally by: Kabajashi San

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Take a man for his actions not for the alliance he is in.

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Originally by: Kessian Armus

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Speaking of NBSI..... This is a bit of an excerpt from an encounter in the Hati system, with a few people from the IAC.


Kessian Armus > it I was red, then you woulnt'd have been CONDORD'ed.
Kessian Armus > because then I would be a legal target.
Kessian Armus > nice try.
Cyrus Ageis > you were RED cause of your sec status
Cyrus Ageis > not blinky red
Kessian Armus > my sec status is well above -5.0
Cyrus Ageis > like i said, 0.0 syndrome
Luthor Harkon > Not Blue Shoot it
Luthor Harkon > thems the laws in 0.0

Why oh why haven't the protectors of the area come and declared war on the IAC?

The answer is very simple. The CVA alliance wishes to control the entire area. They take whatever justification that can be found to do so. Like so many things, principles are willingly sacrificed on the altar of naked ambition.

Mr. Garreck, up until now, you have at least been consistent in your arguements on why this war is going on. I hope you will continue to do so, and immediately work in your alliance to declare war on the IAC.

But I somehow doubt this will happen.

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