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Ikar Kaltin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 13:35:00 - [151] Originally by: Vampire Lord Originally by: Pezzle If your members want to back pirates they can die like pirates. Do not dream you are anywhere near breaking even in this war. The Blood you see is your own. The Sharks are the CVA. YouÆre more like a pack of ravid dogs that feed our fuel. I believe we've caused a massive amount of damage to your forces as you've done the same. This is no understatement. However we've not even pulled in all our forces to fight as we have other things to do. This war is just entertainment for most. As you can see last night we faced 2 to 1 odds an still engaged you and your ally's NOS. The point is we won't back down. An I believe the end result was about even. We are no walk in the park. IO Forever Odd. You claim 2-1 odds you fought against, and say it was against CVA and NOS. Well you imply that there was a joint fleet against you when there were but 5 CVA pilots in the field against you, and you dont mention you had a mothership deployed to the field. This doesnt really add-up to 2v1 odds does it. You also raise an interesting point, not all your forces hve been called for....but wait, you have been calling on others to help fight for you, such as REPO, we'll let the obvious point of you calling in pirates to help slide as that issue has been done to death, but then again you all die alike to us, and lets just leave it like this: If you require to wait for your peak times to engage us, and still lose about 60-80% of the time when you hve superior numbers, position and capital support and support from other entities, against the limited number we can field while most of our people are resting, then you are in serious trouble. And I think you know it.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.03.06 16:02:00 - [152] Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Pezzle We know you are busy pirating in Heimatar, Domain, Providence, Sinq, and other places. Come on in boys, we have lasers for everyone. Bring us your best, because if this is it, you are already beaten. Amarr Victor And what name does your Tyranny go by, today? We may not be the ideological hero, but we stand for those who oppose tyranny and oppression. We stand against CVA. While you operate an NBSI policy in Empire the CVA operates a NRDS policy in 0.0 and invites neutrals to live in the Deliverance area under the protectorate of the CVA. Pray, tell me: who is the tyrannt? Do IO and U'K tell those dellusions to each other until it sounds more believable? Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
DorXtar Asa Dynasty	Posted - 2007.03.06 22:37:00 - [153] I thought piracy involved asking for ransoms. Anything that doesn't involve ransoms is just griefing. Please let me know if I am in the wrong.
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 22:57:00 - [154] Originally by: DorXtar I thought piracy involved asking for ransoms. Anything that doesn't involve ransoms is just griefing. Please let me know if I am in the wrong. You are wrong, piracy is a robbery, this can be by either ransoming or by taking something using more force, such as blowing up the ship. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
DorXtar Asa Dynasty	Posted - 2007.03.06 23:05:00 - [155] Originally by: Reash Originally by: DorXtar I thought piracy involved asking for ransoms. Anything that doesn't involve ransoms is just griefing. Please let me know if I am in the wrong. You are wrong, piracy is a robbery, this can be by either ransoming or by taking something using more force, such as blowing up the ship. Then LV have pirates in their ranks.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 23:18:00 - [156] Originally by: DorXtar Then LV have pirates in their ranks. A revelation of stunning magnitude.
DorXtar Asa Dynasty	Posted - 2007.03.07 01:58:00 - [157] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: DorXtar Then LV have pirates in their ranks. A revelation of stunning magnitude. I learn things.
Ottom Ephesianos Amarr Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.07 02:51:00 - [158] Edited by: Ottom Ephesianos on 07/03/2007 02:48:14 Originally by: Centuria * Centuria's voice becomes cold as ice. And you, Brother Ottom Ephesianos.. You are nothing but a worm beneth my shoes. A heretic. You should know better than to slander us while you hide in your hole with the rest of the heathens called Ushra Khan. Come out, come out where ever you are. Untill that time.. Stay silent. Why have I been slandered with such chilling words and for what reason? Surely there is some who would say my progress from Amarr to freedom fighting is an example of what many should and have been doing. You would of course wish to prevent this, it's only natural. But really, to call me out like that? I am honored. ...don't call me brother though. --------------------------------- "Trust me I've done this before." Elite R. Ephesianos ---------------------------------
Redwolf Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 06:25:00 - [159] Originally by: Ottom Ephesianos ...don't call me brother though. Well if you had gone the other way they would be beating a path to call you a race traitor. I guess we just have higher standards. ---- It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Green Halo World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.03.08 08:32:00 - [160] Sarcastic Tone Higher standards indeed.
Drasery	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:40:00 - [161] Edited by: Drasery on 08/03/2007 18:36:51 Accusations of piracy mean nothing coming form a people who whole existence is to rob peopleÆs bodies and souls. The mere fact you bought ConcordÆs protection in empire means nothing to me as a Gallente. IO is not a pirate organization for our own protection we operate under a NBSI in all space. I fight for the death of any Ammarrian that holds to itÆs Empires Political beliefs. Enire Drachen *View stated here are personal and in no way reflect the Offical IO stance.
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:53:00 - [162] Originally by: Drasery Edited by: Drasery on 08/03/2007 18:36:51 IO is not a pirate organization for our own protection we operate under a NBSI in all space. Do you shoot others you see in the station you do not recognize? Did you attack fellow classmates you had not yet met during flight training? NBSI makes you a pirate. I do believe this has been made clear.
Shaloran Kalior Gallente Freelance Rising The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:06:00 - [163] Originally by: Pezzle NBSI makes you a pirate. I do believe this has been made clear. I had kept quiet in here due to not wishing to involve myself in the epic battle of overinflated ego's, however, this comment is so ludicrous that I cannot let it pass unchallenged. Holding an NBSI policy does NOT make an entity a pirate. The stance the IO has taken is NBSI. CVA takes the view that entities which operate under NBSI are pirates. Therefore, in the opinion of CVA, and those who share the opinion of CVA, IO are pirates. That one entity holds an opinion does not make it truth.
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:18:00 - [164] Oh, I am sorry. You are correct. Practicing NBSI makes you a pirate. Since you end up shooting at ships that may want nothing to do with you. Just having the policy would not make you a pirate, you may not actually attack anyone. I apologize for the mistake.
Eucarid Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 01:18:00 - [165] Originally by: Shaloran Kalior I had kept quiet in here due to not wishing to involve myself in the epic battle of overinflated ego's, however, this comment is so ludicrous that I cannot let it pass unchallenged. Holding an NBSI policy does NOT make an entity a pirate. The stance the IO has taken is NBSI. CVA takes the view that entities which operate under NBSI are pirates. Therefore, in the opinion of CVA, and those who share the opinion of CVA, IO are pirates. That one entity holds an opinion does not make it truth. A simple mistake. The "low-sec and/or empire" qualifier keeps getting dropped. As Hardin states: Originally by: Hardin As we have said before NBSI in low-sec Empire space is just another name piracy and this is what Imperial Order are engaged in. There are many forms of piracy, and this is just one of them. In many cases we have stated our definition of piracy. Please explain your definition of piracy and how ganking haulers in low-sec does not conform to your definition.
Thomas Maleficus Caldari all professions	Posted - 2007.03.09 01:38:00 - [166] I would like to offer the following analogy. When one has a private dwelling on their home planet where ever that may be, only those who are welcome, who have a relationship to you are permitted on your property. The delivery person, family, friends etc, all have for lack of a better word, standings with you. However, when someone enters your house unannounced and unknown to you, your immediate thought is the defence of your family and your house. It is only polite to knock on a strangers door before being welcomed into the home. I see no reason that pilots should not do the same before entering another corp or alliances home.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 03:27:00 - [167] Originally by: Thomas Maleficus It is only polite to knock on a strangers door before being welcomed into the home. I see no reason that pilots should not do the same before entering another corp or alliances home. Sovereign empire space is sovereign empire space. Not Imperial Order's home. Once again the numerous low sec empire kills against dreaded industrial pilots fail to be directly addressed. Not that it matters. There are two real issues here: the issue of "NBSI" in empire space, which is a form of piracy, and the issue of "NBSI" in Providence, which is simply counter to the CVA's goals in the region. We can argue until we're blue in the face about the former, but the latter is CVA's decision, and we're executing a war based on that decision. Further discussion on the nature of NBSI as a form of piracy or "home defense" is, frankly, futile and more or less unneccessary. When Imperial Order decides "NBSI" is no longer an appropriate policy, they can reach out to CVA diplomats. Until then, I'm quite sure CVA attacks will continue apace.
madcooie Caldari Cloak and Daggers The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.03.09 13:53:00 - [168] NBSI will continue and if you see it as 'piracy' that's up to you and your alliances opinions. The only reason we have for operating an NBSI is to keep the pocket clear of any potential nasties that may come in otherwise. If you or your alliance see protecting our own assets and alliance members as piracy so be it. We don't particularly care about the politics, you started a war over pretty much nothing and was CVA's own fault in the first place!!! Your heart is free, have the courage to follow it.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.03.09 14:08:00 - [169] Originally by: madcooie NBSI will continue and if you see it as 'piracy' that's up to you and your alliances opinions. The only reason we have for operating an NBSI is to keep the pocket clear of any potential nasties that may come in otherwise. If you or your alliance see protecting our own assets and alliance members as piracy so be it. We don't particularly care about the politics, you started a war over pretty much nothing and was CVA's own fault in the first place!!! The discussion is still about your 'NBSI policy' in Amarr Empire space (for example Kamela) you clownboats. Stop dodging that main issue. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 14:35:00 - [170] Originally by: madcooie NBSI will continue and if you see it as 'piracy' that's up to you and your alliances opinions. The only reason we have for operating an NBSI is to keep the pocket clear of any potential nasties that may come in otherwise. If you or your alliance see protecting our own assets and alliance members as piracy so be it. We don't particularly care about the politics, you started a war over pretty much nothing and was CVA's own fault in the first place!!! Amazing how some people fail to understand the most simple of facts. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 16:11:00 - [171] I fail to see what attacks on various ships in Amamake, Eggelende, Kourmonen, Ogusor, Auga, Basan, Gratesier, Gasavak, Brin, Ardar, Siseide, Taff, Basgerin, Kamela, Huola or in areas like the Great Wildlands.. have to do with you protecting where you squat. Address the issue at hand, pirate.
Aequitas Harbinger Amarr World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.03.10 06:40:00 - [172] Edited by: Aequitas Harbinger on 10/03/2007 06:36:33 Originally by: Pezzle I fail to see what attacks on various ships in Amamake, Eggelende, Kourmonen, Ogusor, Auga, Basan, Gratesier, Gasavak, Brin, Ardar, Siseide, Taff, Basgerin, Kamela, Huola or in areas like the Great Wildlands.. have to do with you protecting where you squat. Address the issue at hand, pirate. You know those are pirate havens, Pezzle. Those kills you see on the logs are in self-defense. Before you say, the industrial ships are unfriendly suppliers.
Ikasu Gallente The Durandal Organization	Posted - 2007.03.10 06:49:00 - [173] Originally by: Thomas Maleficus I would like to offer the following analogy. When one has a private dwelling on their home planet where ever that may be, only those who are welcome, who have a relationship to you are permitted on your property. The delivery person, family, friends etc, all have for lack of a better word, standings with you. However, when someone enters your house unannounced and unknown to you, your immediate thought is the defence of your family and your house. It is only polite to knock on a strangers door before being welcomed into the home. I see no reason that pilots should not do the same before entering another corp or alliances home. A door to door salesman enters your house un-announced, or quite possibly you miss him knocking. I've no doubts you'll be ****ed, tell him to leave, and threaten to take action. But I highly doubt your going to shoot some fat guy with a huge backback who wants nothing more then to sell you a vacuum. By your own analogetic theory, ganking haulers, even if it's just due to NBSI, is still piracy. Many victems of NBSI are haulers or miners. Theres is no "Get out or i'll shoot" involved, theres only PEW PEW, BOOM "but I only wanted to sell you a vacuum ;-;"
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.10 08:02:00 - [174] Originally by: Aequitas Harbinger Edited by: Aequitas Harbinger on 10/03/2007 06:36:33 Originally by: Pezzle I fail to see what attacks on various ships in Amamake, Eggelende, Kourmonen, Ogusor, Auga, Basan, Gratesier, Gasavak, Brin, Ardar, Siseide, Taff, Basgerin, Kamela, Huola or in areas like the Great Wildlands.. have to do with you protecting where you squat. Address the issue at hand, pirate. You know those are pirate havens, Pezzle. Those kills you see on the logs are in self-defense. Before you say, the industrial ships are unfriendly suppliers. Funny how some of your own members have refered to this as "piracy". Nice try, but once again an obvious lie. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Rania Serlia World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.03.11 18:25:00 - [175] As far as I know, IO does not have a rule forbidding lowsec pvp in it's charter. What we used to have was a rule to not engage in nonconsensual pvp in amarr space, which, in the past, has allegedly been ignored by some members. That rule has been replaced by a sort of general feeling that goes something like... DEATH TO ALL CVA FRIENDLIES DEATH TO ALL UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF CVA DEATH TO CVA SUPPORTERS DEATH TO CVA, YOUR EMPEROR HAS A VERY SMALL IMPAIROR And so on. And as a freedom fighter, I myself will always do my very best to liberate a CVA pod from it's respective hull for the duration of the conflict. And of course it's already been stated that I don't speak for my alliance, but it bears repeating anyway.
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.11 20:00:00 - [176] Your next.
Pociomundo Gallente World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.03.12 10:14:00 - [177] "You're" Was the word you were looking for. I thought the Amarrians had a higher standard of education, I guess not. Though it seems the Amarrian comedy courses got a great batch of lecturers this year. CVA's "Pezzant" is a complete joke every time he opens his mouth to speak. There's a great quote he should consider. "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" The Collection of Vile Amarrians can only exist for so long.
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 11:01:00 - [178] Holy Amarrian Providence will be cleansed of terrorists and pirates and made safe for the law-abding citizenry of EVE to go about their business in peace. Terrorists, pirates and anarchists will not prevent this. It is inevitable... ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
madcooie Caldari Cloak and Daggers The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.03.12 13:30:00 - [179] From my home planet we have a great phase, which roughly translated means shut that filthy mouth of yours before I stick my oversized T2 heavy missile in there. 'Awa' and stop talking pish!' Your heart is free, have the courage to follow it.
Thomas Maleficus Caldari all professions	Posted - 2007.03.12 13:31:00 - [180] Quote: A door to door salesman enters your house un-announced, or quite possibly you miss him knocking. I've no doubts you'll be ****ed, tell him to leave, and threaten to take action. But I highly doubt your going to shoot some fat guy with a huge backback who wants nothing more then to sell you a vacuum. By your own analogetic theory, ganking haulers, even if it's just due to NBSI, is still piracy. Many victems of NBSI are haulers or miners. Theres is no "Get out or i'll shoot" involved, theres only PEW PEW, BOOM "but I only wanted to sell you a vacuum ;-;" To be clear, I did not state that this is a statement of support for NBSI, only somthing to think about. I think if more people announced their presence in another alliances sov space there would be less chance of misunderstanding. That said, we've all been burned by NRDS, those who practice NBSI have lost potential allies. I personally didn't like NBSI because the alliance I was part of that followed NBSI policy left no room for discretion, noob ship or neut hauler, it was all dead. My point still stands, NBSI or NRDS, I still appreciate when neuts show up that they announce themselve. Reds we know right away what sort of greeting to give.

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