1) Hybrid ammo is getting redone ala projectiles.
2) Laser crystals have a good chance of a redo as well.
3) Barrage vs. Null vs. Scorch is getting looked at.
4) Ways to get Gallante into range much faster are being looked at.
5) Expect many individual ship tweaks.

1) Hybrid ammo is getting redone ala projectiles.
2) Laser crystals have a good chance of a redo as well.
3) Barrage vs. Null vs. Scorch is getting looked at.
4) Ways to get Gallante into range much faster are being looked at.
5) Expect many individual ship tweaks.

Link to Dev Post?

Whine thread as per usual. None of the points hit the spot right on. Hence, why it's another whine thread.
Btw! minnie deserves webs more than gallente does due to being the skirmish race... DING! you never thought of that did you? I guess not!!
A slight change to hybrid ammo (range) and hybrid ships (speed) should help actually but minnie ships SHOULD remain the fastest.

Here are some of the things relating to hybrid ships that we will be looking further into in the coming weeks/months:

* Further tweaking of individual ships.
* Tech II ammo needs a better look at, especially Null-Scorch-Barrage.
* Active tanking vs passive tanking. And by extension, armor tanking vs shield tanking.
* Small and Medium Webifier drones.
* Give tech I hybrid ammo variations for each range, like projectile ammo. Maybe the same for lasers.
* Something to help blaster ships get into range. There are several good suggestions on how to do this; Webifier range bonus, MWD speed bonus, change the armor rig penalty, increase base speed or even a new type of module. We might do some of them, all of them or something completely different.

3) Barrage vs. Null vs. Scorch is getting looked at.

.. and firing your guns will recharge your cap.

It's amazing how Gallente can get so gimped and so negatively singled out by CCP and the Eve community, and yet still have many of the best ships in their classes.

It's amazing how Gallente can get so gimped and so negatively singled out by CCP and the Eve community, and yet still have many of the best ships in their classes.

Yet out of the top 20 PVP killer ships, 3 are Gallente: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3235

Current issue with blaster ships is that you tend stack armor plates on your ship, which in returns slows the thing down. You'll eventually max in speed, but it takes a long time. And once you get into range, you don't do that much more damage then your AC/ pulse buddies, which have been shooting you this whole. Getting in weapon range is the greatest challenge.

Minmatar have the advantage in that they tend to use shields; shields don't weigh anything, Amarr, they don't need to be fast, their weapons have good enough tracking and range, and Caldari realize that rails don't do enough damage, and can't track anything, so they fit missiles.

Here are some of the things relating to hybrid ships that we will be looking further into in the coming weeks/months:

* Further tweaking of individual ships.
* Tech II ammo needs a better look at, especially Null-Scorch-Barrage.
* Active tanking vs passive tanking. And by extension, armor tanking vs shield tanking.
* Small and Medium Webifier drones.
* Give tech I hybrid ammo variations for each range, like projectile ammo. Maybe the same for lasers.
* Something to help blaster ships get into range. There are several good suggestions on how to do this; Webifier range bonus, MWD speed bonus, change the armor rig penalty, increase base speed or even a new type of module. We might do some of them, all of them or something completely different.

Yet out of the top 20 PVP killer ships, 3 are Gallente

Which ones? Care to enlighten us?

stuffing Minmatar's balls down your throat

Which ones? Care to enlighten us?

Alot of this is really, really disheartening to see. That they even consider it on a drawing-board level is disturbing.

Small and medium webifier drones? The future in this game is obviously a continuation of sitting still in a blob of BC and just bleeding anything smaller that even consider attempting an engagement. If people belive a shitswarm of EC-300 is a problem now, i wonder what they'll think about a cloud of interceptor-speed webbing drones.

Tanking on a conceptual level is perfectly fine. There may be ships or bonuses that end up out of place, you might need to re-check racial roles and so forth, but as far as the basics go it's downright stupid listening to people who want to make active tanking on-par with buffer in a larger group scenario.

Blaster-boat (note: specificly the way the ships are flown, as opposed to other details) were quite alright, and is now slightly better. Why continue to cater to people who are only content when things are buffed to the point where they go beyond logic, just because they want to puzzle one narrow concept into an even more narrow role for it. It's the same as with the tank, logic is the reason people don't active tank or run point blank in a huge unstable environment. It's difficult finding a sensible way to deal with dumb.

Sorting Hybrid ammo like the projectile changes probably stem from the percieved success of that change, but it show no consideration at all for how much the various Hybrid ranges differ: from blaster to rail, from falloff- to optimal, from no bonus to one bonus to two bonuses to range. Alot of the Hybrid ships are quite dependent upon finding an ammo range that suit their specific reach. Sweeping, uniform changes as was done to projectiles risk doing more harm than good.

The same pretty much go for the rest of this thread tbh. One thing is quite amusing when it comes to Gallente though, the same patch they get some tweaks, the developers decide to introduce a new cost-effective counter to both their ideals .

Give void ammo a webbing effect, reduce rail range and give them high dps / low alpha, and let Gallente ships sig + hull tank with new modules.

Another thing I've noticed with Gallente vessels, and I'm surprised this hasn't changed. On average, they have the greatest about structure out of the other races. I always felt this was kinda of an insult: Hull Tanking lolz and just delaying the inevitable. Really, why do I need so much structure, more then armor or shields? Just another observation to add to the mix.

Diemost with 2 nanos goes to 2km/s, Vega, same tier hac, with the same 2 nanos goes to 3km/s.

Another thing I've noticed with Gallente vessels, and I'm surprised this hasn't changed. On average, they have the greatest about structure out of the other races. I always felt this was kinda of an insult: Hull Tanking lolz and just delaying the inevitable. Really, why do I need so much structure, more then armor or shields? Just another observation to add to the mix.

1) Hybrid ammo is getting redone ala projectiles.
2) Laser crystals have a good chance of a redo as well.
3) Barrage vs. Null vs. Scorch is getting looked at.
4) Ways to get Gallante into range much faster are being looked at.
5) Expect many individual ship tweaks.