U MAD BRO?

I, faceless alt, flies Winmatar in those forums.

Google "Winmatar kiting fits," lazy tard.

There's a 21% EHP difference (including 3000 shield EHP) from that DC II. The sad thing is that there's no reason for it - I might have understood an argument for any of the following:
- 3 Gyro/2 TE
- 2 Gyro/2 TE/DC
- 2 Gyro/2 TE/Nano

.... but 1 Gyro/2 TE/2 Nano is just bad. If you absolutely must have 2 Nanos, go with 2 Gyro/TE/2 Nano.

-Liang

If you use 2 damage rigs how do you fit a neut?

Yeah true. Although then you have 1m 26s of cap and 21k ehp even with it overheated.

I think the diemos outdamages it at 22km and under so there's no conceivable way that his vaga could win that fight.

no one is arguing gallente arent great small gang brawlers. rails need to be buffed so that gal ships can be used for everything else

no one is arguing gallente arent great small gang brawlers. rails need to be buffed so that gal ships can be used for everything else

Don't be daft. What I was illustrating is that claims that Minnies are better at brawling are wrong.

-Liang

I use 2 dmg rigs, so 2nd gyro is like 40 extra dps.

There are a few choice nerfmatards in this thread that are arguing JUST THAT! lol Inconcievable! ;)

Well, according to your description and your km you finished the thorax but got defeated by a hurricane (well, and a drake, but mainly the cane).
Your fight is rather proving my point, doesn-¦t it?

You can easily take 2:1 odds against you when opposing blasterboats in a brawl, 3:1 is getting tricky (but still feasible) now after the buff, where before that point was reached with 4:1 odds.

Just posting to say I'm super glad that the majority of people posting their ideas here aren't devs.

tl;dr for this whole thread: Minmatar are OP! Make gallente better in every conceivable way!

In this thread I've seen the following proposed:

-Make gal faster than min
-Make gal shoot as far as min
-Make sure gal have more tank than min
-Give gal the minnie web range bonus

Some of it in the same list of demands. That's balance right there!

cause balance is:
-keep matar go faster than the other by 30%
-keep matar shot twice as far as gall
-keep matar have more tank than gall or caldari

Yes, i-¦m arguing JUST THAT!
You and anyone else are free to refute my arguments anytime, but you have to prove that
capfree weapons, the fastest and most agile ships, multiple damage types and utility highs aren-¦t optimizations for close combat and
you have to prove that Gallente ships and weapons have characteristics like that which are making them especially suited for close combat.

If you can-¦t do that, i am right and you are wrong.
Just crying the fanboi no isn-¦t going to cut it.

Yes, i-¦m arguing JUST THAT!
You and anyone else are free to refute my arguments anytime, but you have to prove that
capfree weapons, the fastest and most agile ships, multiple damage types and utility highs aren-¦t optimizations for close combat and
you have to prove that Gallente ships and weapons have characteristics like that which are making them especially suited for close combat.

If you can-¦t do that, i am right and you are wrong.
Just crying the fanboi no isn-¦t going to cut it.

Did you bother to look at the Thorax's killmail? Did you bother to read the battle report? I have no idea how you can possible draw that conclusion from that battle report. Its utterly rubbish. The Brutix would have been amazingly superior in a brawl like that.

-Liang

I didn-¦t bother to read the killmail because i assumed you would accurately describe your own battle, so you want to say you were talking nonsense? You -flying a cane- finished of the blasterboat and lost to another cane and a drake. How can i possibly draw the conclusion that this fight was proving my point, that Minnies are doing better in close-combat, indeed? You are claiming that a brutix would have won that fight, that this is the conclusion i should have made? Sorry, but i-¦m still having a grip on reality. The only ones that have to fear a brutix are Macs.

I didn-¦t bother to read the killmail because i assumed you would accurately describe your own battle, so you want to say you were talking nonsense? You -flying a cane- finished of the blasterboat and lost to another cane and a drake. How can i possibly draw the conclusion that this fight was proving my point, that Minnies are doing better in close-combat, indeed? You are claiming that a brutix would have won that fight, that this is the conclusion i should have made? Sorry, but i-¦m still having a grip on reality. The only ones that have to fear a brutix are Macs.

A few comments:
- Its kinda rare to actually be capped all the way out, and that's the only time that I really notice blasters being problematic. Even in a 1v1 Harpy vs dual neut Rupture I was able to keep my guns and shield booster going long enough to win.
- Multiple damage types are nice, but you have to remember the 10 second delay to switch. Load up Fusion to hit that armor tanked cruiser and now you're at a big damage deficit when shooting the Drake that lands on top of you. PP is a great middling choice (sans T2 Caldari/Gallente) - but at that point you have no damage type "advantage" over blasters.
- Utility highs ARE NOT that great for a brawl. What is important is DPS and Tank - either by virtue of EHP or of active tanking. I notice that you left these primary considerations out.

Frankly, you arguing that gallente ships aren't suited to close combat is... well, ******* hilarious.

-Liang

So the fact that the Brutix has significantly more DPS, more tracking, and more EHP simply doesn't matter? Really?

-Liang

It has -since the buff- significantly more tracking, the rest are rather small advantages, because the gap between eft and reality is way bigger than for an AC-Boat, and the lack of speed and agility does take care for the rest.

This thread is amazing.

:D priceless

Damage difference is in the hundreds up to 10km, speed difference is less and Brutix aligns faster.

But please do elaborate why EFT vs reality is different for ACs?

Audience is listening

In other words, the AC boat has only advantage outside web & scram range, and if the AC boat does not pop before getting out of tackle range, it may have a chance of competing in the dps race.