typical noobmatar post ...

It's almost as if the Vaga gets a bonus to speed or something.

You are aware that he led the largest "Nerf Minmatar" thread in recent memory?

/facepalm

-Liang

def the imba matar def more pls , maybe you can deceive some noob pve pilots who never used these ships , but 99% of us know that vaga is just broken compared to a deimos

btw go look at those projectile ammos there will be an exam for matard militia about their bonuses go noob go o/

You are aware that he led the largest "Nerf Minmatar" thread in recent memory?

/facepalm

-Liang

so? still all of those points are made up , or is there any relevant dev posts? pls link them then
currently i cant see anything what back this up

I see lots of complaining from you about the Deimos vs Vagabond... how fast does the Deimos need to be before its balanced? At what range does it need to outdamage the Vagabond? Come on - you tell us what the Deimos needs before it could be balanced.

Last time I asked questions along this line you never responded.

-Liang

oh sorry i missed some of your posts there are way too many anyway
compared to a vaga? hmm maybe it should be as fast as a vaga :O oh no that cant happen
why is the vaga have to be the fastest ? it has longer range,no cap guns,changeable dmg type,easier fitting vs 10 less m3 drones and a little less eft dps

"The applicable dev post is linked in this thread."
oh that 1 month ago post... yeah totally belivable just like ccp's other promises...

oh sorry i missed some of your posts there are way too many anyway
compared to a vaga? hmm maybe it should be as fast as a vaga :O oh no that cant happen
why is the vaga have to be the fastest ? it has longer range,no cap guns,changeable dmg type,easier fitting vs 10 less m3 drones and a little less eft dps

"The applicable dev post is linked in this thread."
oh that 1 month ago post... yeah totally belivable just like ccp's other promises...

Do you guys even play the game or do you just have EFT open and make stuff up on the forums? I flew Shield Deimos before Crucible and I had no problems engaging Vagas and Cynabals with it.

only eft but at least we use the newest version not the 2 years old one you and liang do
eft eft ftw

btw why should i pvp when all of them is the same due to matar and to some extend amarr dominance

The funny thing is that unless a boost is way over the top, its going to take some time before people accept a new "balanced" reality. I'm not totally sold that there won't need to be some additional tweaking, but overall the changes were a VERY large step in the right direction.

-Liang

Light Neutron Blaster II : 9 PG, 18 CPU.

200mm Autocannon II : 4 PG, 9 CPU.

Look at that and tell me hybrids are not gimped to death! And I hear it only gets worse the bigger the ships get.

What balance? And as for diemost vs vega, 2km/s vs 3km/s is a 50% difference. You don't need EFT to figure that out, it's obvious enough, just gotta undock.

For a blaster boat, you're either faster than Winmatar counterpart or you're slower. If slower, you're screwed. How much slower makes little difference. If faster, it depends on how much faster. If you can catch up soon enough to win the dps race, you win, otherwise you lose. Start at Winmatar speed, the question should be how much faster, not if it should be faster.

Fitting helps making AC what it is, but hardly the main problem.

This is a great theory but unfortunately it doesn't really work out in real PVP. The core problem is that the Vaga isn't always sitting there with its MWD on, and its not always MWDing straight away from the Deimos. Its been shown time and again how a slower ship can catch and kill a faster one. Its one of the main lessons of the nano age was that agility is just about as important as actual top speed.



Neutron IIs put out a lot more DPS than 200mm AC IIs.

-Liang

Vega has more agility and faster acceleration too, just a reminder. Or did you mean the Vega pilot should just... keep mwd off, sit still until Diemost is on top? Maybe he can keep his guns off too.

When you're 50% slower than your opponent, plus accelerate and turn slower, you don't catch up. Even if your opponent makes a mistake, there's plenty of room for correction.

Who asked for Minmatar speed and fitting?

Blasters can be left as they are, but without a platform capable of bringing them into their effective range, they are USELESS.

But I guess the potential threat to minmatar pvp dominance would be too much for all the pilots who just let the superiority of their race win all the battles for them. Imagine if you actually had to manage your range, take damage, and god forbid commit to a fight!

No DEV in their right mind would re-introduce skill and cajones back into pvp, no way.

Neutron IIs put out a lot more DPS than 200mm AC IIs.

-Liang

def the imba matar def more pls , maybe you can deceive some noob pve pilots who never used these ships , but 99% of us know that vaga is just broken compared to a deimos

btw go look at those projectile ammos there will be an exam for matard militia about their bonuses go noob go o/

btw why should i pvp when all of them is the same due to matar and to some extend amarr dominance

The sad thing is when most players clicked on this thread, they already knew what I am referring too. Gallente warfare philosophy as it stands, is just not possible with its current ship designs and weapon systems. I started playing eve back in 2003 and always had the understanding that gallente were the up in your face, hard hitting faction. Able to take extremes amount of damage while closing with their targets in preperation to take them out in a few hits. Currently, their ships are too slow, can't take a lot of damage, and their weapons can't reach their targets. In general they are a confused warfare philosophy.

Issues related to Gallente:

Blaster range and damage. (Hybrids in general, draw backs of lasers and projectiles but you can't select damage type!?)Still bad tracking and range, and still medicore damage.

Information Warfare. This is so far out of place I don't even know where to begin. CCP knows its broken but doesn't know how to fix it. I'm going to add the EOS in here as well.

Webs. So the fastest race in eve gets web bonuses, but the second fastest gets warp disruption. Really? Give gallente ships the web bonus and the minmatar ships warp disruption bonuses. Giving web range bonuses to the dedicated blaster ships could fix the problem. Back in the day a thorax standard build always had a web.

Armor. How I just love the repping bonus.... so not only do I have to power my guns but I also have to power my armor tank, that repairs at the end of its cycle and my AB/MWD. Like another thread stated why do gal have to be just armor.

Speed. Not fast enough, and still a lot of mass to move around. Gallente ships have never felt nimble. Its like a jet engine strapped to a tank. You can't corner in those needed high velocity blaster orbits.

I'm sure there some other issues out there, but these are just a few I have seen. Gallente were once an effective race, now they are the bastard child of Eve.

OK EOS fix: Remove drone bay bonus, just stupid to begin with... Lower bandwith to 50, add a 10% drone damage bonus. Ugh, was that so hard. Sorry just had to put that out there.

The sad thing is when most players clicked on this thread, they already knew what I am referring to.

5) Speed is a tricky issue. Minmatar should be the fastest race and able to kite but they should be the fastest under propulsion not base speed. Gallente ships should be fastest base speed and super agile but with prop mods on only second fastest race. This would make them the fastest race under tackle conditions where they fight but keeps Minmatar's edge with speed. And making Minmatar slower when they are not MWDing means that scrambler range bonus is so much better now too.