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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2016.05.06 01:00:00 -
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Hello guys,
I'm wondering what's currently happening with everyone killing goons? A few weeks ago there was alot of chest beating on the forums about how the goons will finally die and EVE will all be rainbows and smileys. What's currently happening to the war since I noticed that everyone just kinda stopped posting about how goons are dying and stuff.
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Scruffled
South Lords
6
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Posted - 2016.05.06 01:01:37 -
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ninja "eve is dying" thread. good work OP. |

Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
337
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Posted - 2016.05.06 01:12:17 -
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No need to post about the goons dying anymore.
They died already.
So snuff awoxed shadow. Snuff now collapsing.
Darius came back and 'real goons' are fighting lumpy in Delve. That won't last.
Mittani and his alts are trying to fight Horde, but Asher ends up just hanging out in POS waiting for the hordlings to go away.
PL back doing what PL normally do.
Waffles had a birthday. Much fun was had.
Brave in Querious and fight club fighting each other, but always ready to kill Russians together.
Everyone sort of looking for Citadels to kill because shiny.
The map is now a rainbow. No blue circle. Lots of small skirmishing happening regularly.
The good guys won. The bad guys lost. Lucas continues to whinge in the forum.
About sums it up I think. |

TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1507
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Posted - 2016.05.06 01:23:29 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Hello guys,
I'm wondering what's currently happening with everyone killing goons? A few weeks ago there was alot of chest beating on the forums about how the goons will finally die and EVE will all be rainbows and smileys. What's currently happening to the war since I noticed that everyone just kinda stopped posting about how goons are dying and stuff.
The exact thing that everyone with half a brain cell predicted would happen, in-fighting in the MBC, the attack burning out, hype draining, wallets emptying and people declaring victory on some arbitrary basis.
They said we would be driven from null entirely and not allowed to rebuild. We even allowed them to take the entirety of Deklein without any major opposition. If they had kept up the momentum we'd be out of sov by now. Instead we still own an entire region with barely a sign of the MBC trying to take it. And Fade is being retaken without any collective MBC effort to defend. The only alliances showing up to defend Horde are PL and sometimes TEST.
TL;DR: The entire MBC has fallen apart in an hilariously short time span and we're basically just mopping up the mess they made in the northwest right now.
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Sustrai Aditua
Irubo Kovu
153
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Posted - 2016.05.06 01:30:08 -
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Such a good recap, Shae. You should be in sports broadcasting. I can see you summing up the run into any playoff. |

Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
338
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Posted - 2016.05.06 01:33:11 -
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There you have the very different views of the war and both are correct.
MBC won the short game. What's left of the Empirium playing the long game and will win. |

Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1149
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Posted - 2016.05.06 01:38:31 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:There you have the very different views of the war and both are correct.
MBC won the short game. What's left of the Empirium playing the long game and will win.
So it's a turtle and hare parable? MBC being the hare going 2fast2furious while imperium lets them burn out to win in the end?
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1509
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Posted - 2016.05.06 01:47:03 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:There you have the very different views of the war and both are correct.
MBC won the short game. What's left of the Empirium playing the long game and will win. So it's a turtle and hare parable? MBC being the hare going 2fast2furious while imperium lets them burn out to win in the end?
Yup. Funny thing is we've been standing basically on the sidelines this whole time telling them this would happen. Now the entire thing ground to a halt and MBC is declaring victory for reasons.
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Pix Severus
Empty You
4263
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Posted - 2016.05.06 01:50:41 -
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Either way, this war was good for EVE. Everyone on both sides got some content, many players resubbed, and many newbies joined the game.
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Sustrai Aditua
Irubo Kovu
153
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Posted - 2016.05.06 01:51:24 -
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The Bees pride themselves on knowing this game inside and out. Their vaunted view of themselves won't allow for a bunch of upstarts give them the heave ho. Obviously, their ace-in-the-hole is longevity. The upstarts don't have the same impetus as they. Their motivation is momentary and will fade with the appearance of immediate success.
All the Bees see themselves as having to do is wait it out. Regroup. Regain. If it means changing their name, then so be it. It's only a name. I'll venture to guess along with that, they're convinced the upstarts are so shallow as to believe even that is sign of having defeated the Bees. This, of course, plays into the Bees' hands. The sooner the attacks cease, the sooner they can set out to regroup and regain.
Like I said when this all broke out:
Only time will tell just who has fell and who's been left behind when you go your way, and I go mine. |

Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
344
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Posted - 2016.05.06 02:37:31 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:There you have the very different views of the war and both are correct.
MBC won the short game. What's left of the Empirium playing the long game and will win. So it's a turtle and hare parable? MBC being the hare going 2fast2furious while imperium lets them burn out to win in the end? Well could also be like the parable that the hare is just taking a break because so far no challenge from the turtle.
If the turtle catches up, then maybe the hare will take another sprint. I doubt there will be the same level of trust between alliances though. That was kind of snuffed out for now. |

Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
769
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Posted - 2016.05.06 03:32:26 -
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CFC shifting the goal posts is one of its favourite past times.
I'd personally like to see the pressure increase back to original levels. You always know a great leader by the bloodletting he makes to shed dead weight.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
678
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Posted - 2016.05.06 03:32:47 -
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Goons lost a lot of their Sov while shedding members and allies like a moulting parrot.
As was widely predicted: MBC infighting has pretty much ground the offensive to a crawl. Snuff's little awoxing session has left a bad taste in everyone's mouths.
The Big Question currently revolves around the fate of the vaunted Goons Super Capital/Titan fleet. With many of the supers logged off at what is no-longer a friendly POS or trapped deep in what is now hostile space, it remains to be seen if Goons can successfully extract those assets or if they'll continue to be sold off at rock bottom prices (I heard tale of an officer fit Goon Avatar changing hands to PL for ISK40b).
Whatever the outcome, anyone who thinks it's all over now is kidding themselves.
One thing is certain, *The Imperium* is dead. Good riddance to bad rubbish I say.
As a former member, I can say the CFC was all kinds of good fun while The Imperium was a bunch of nerds with broomsticks shoved firmly up their proverbial. The shift from CFC to The Imperium will go down in EVE History as The Mittani's greatest ever mistake.
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Sustrai Aditua
Irubo Kovu
155
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Posted - 2016.05.06 05:01:25 -
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All that being as it may, what CFC lost it can quickly regain. Money talks, and they have essentially an endless supply of that. I'd go so far as to say, a few of them would mortgage their mother's basements to sell PLEX if there should be a shortfall.
The only hope the aggressors have is to pursue this with intensifying effort until they've stomped the breath out of CFC. This is an "in for the long haul" proposition. CFC has always known this. Their only hope is the leadership of their nemesis doesn't.
That's why time will tell. We'll see what the aggressor leadership is about when we see the proof in the putting. (Or, "pudding" as the limies prefer.) Some of the stories I've heard of this coalition leads me to believe they aren't long-range in their motivations or their thinking. Even if they are, the way they've acquired their muscle had them hiring mercenaries, essentially, or adventurers similar to the failed Spanish Revolution. Look how long Generalissimo Fransisco Franco lasted.
Unfortunately, unless there's a major shift and reorganization - redirection in this upstart aggressor camp, the Bees will prevail eventually; not without loss, mind you. And, the losses could be such that they are vulnerable to one or two of the more well-established alliances on the sidelines watching this transpire.
If I were a Goonwaffle, they're the ones I'd be worried about...the clean-up crew. |

March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron
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Posted - 2016.05.06 05:33:25 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Hello guys,
I'm wondering what's currently happening with everyone killing goons? A few weeks ago there was alot of chest beating on the forums about how the goons will finally die and EVE will all be rainbows and smileys. What's currently happening to the war since I noticed that everyone just kinda stopped posting about how goons are dying and stuff. well... goons left the sov-space into NPC and low-sec. All fights now are mostly fun roams. Goons show sometimes very nice wins.
Goons started to crab sov back lately. PH responds: 'we didn't want it anyway' (sounds familiar).
The most of this war happens in Reddit atm
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1149
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Posted - 2016.05.06 06:03:51 -
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March rabbit wrote:Yang Aurilen wrote:Hello guys,
I'm wondering what's currently happening with everyone killing goons? A few weeks ago there was alot of chest beating on the forums about how the goons will finally die and EVE will all be rainbows and smileys. What's currently happening to the war since I noticed that everyone just kinda stopped posting about how goons are dying and stuff. well... goons left the sov-space into NPC and low-sec. All fights now are mostly fun roams. Goons show sometimes very nice wins. Goons started to crab sov back lately. PH responds: 'we didn't want it anyway' (sounds familiar). The most of this war happens in Reddit atm
Ah I see. But what about the other alliances in the imperium? Whatever happened to them? They just kinda disappeared from the map.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
345
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Posted - 2016.05.06 06:10:03 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:March rabbit wrote:Yang Aurilen wrote:Hello guys,
I'm wondering what's currently happening with everyone killing goons? A few weeks ago there was alot of chest beating on the forums about how the goons will finally die and EVE will all be rainbows and smileys. What's currently happening to the war since I noticed that everyone just kinda stopped posting about how goons are dying and stuff. well... goons left the sov-space into NPC and low-sec. All fights now are mostly fun roams. Goons show sometimes very nice wins. Goons started to crab sov back lately. PH responds: 'we didn't want it anyway' (sounds familiar). The most of this war happens in Reddit atm Ah I see. But what about the other alliances in the imperium? Whatever happened to them? They just kinda disappeared from the map. CO2 left the Emporium early and kept their space.
SMA limped off to NPC null, but some found outer ring to be too boring because they couldn't AFK Krab their way to trillions of ISK, so they went and joined CO2.
FCON found new friendlies so they can PVE to their hearts content in the south. They took systems as far from the war as they could.
Razor kind of scattered to the four winds. I see them everywhere. Always docked.
Others went lowsec. Haven't looked, but guessing is that sentry guns have been really active because goons are terrible at lowsec and always forget some structures shoot you.
Emporium kept some space and are fighting back in Fade. |

Varathius
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
229
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Posted - 2016.05.06 08:52:09 -
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Odd, at fanfest this year, CCP was for the first time representing the history all alliances from the birth of eve until fanfest 2016 by using algorithmic calculations, and for some strange reason, every single alliance but the CFC/Imperium was showing big variations (corps leaving, joining, inter-alliance dramas, wars, etc), while Imperium/CFC appeared to be completely stable, showing not even minor variations. I mean, it literally showed the fall of all bigger alliances, and even small changes to smaller less known alliances, and again, CFC and now Imperium were completely stable on the data representations.... that is at least on the data results based on algorithms that were used to obtain these results. The closest to the CFC/Imperium in behavior on the data representations was PL, that is worth mentioning. |

Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
348
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Posted - 2016.05.06 08:55:49 -
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Varathius wrote:Odd, at fanfest this year, CCP was for the first time representing the history all alliances from the birth of eve until fanfest 2016 by using algorithmic calculations, and for some strange reason, every single alliance but the CFC/Imperium was showing big variations (corps leaving, joining, inter-alliance dramas, wars, etc), while Imperium/CFC appeared to be completely stable, showing not even minor variations. I mean, it literally showed the fall of all bigger alliances, and even small changes to smaller less known alliances, and again, CFC and now Imperium were completely stable on the data representations.... that is at least on the data results based on algorithms that were used to obtain these results. The closest to the CFC/Imperium in behavior on the data representations was PL, that is worth mentioning. I think CCP bent the knee to avoid Mittens sending a very upset email to the President or something. |

Amarrchecko
Hedion University Amarr Empire
108
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Posted - 2016.05.06 09:09:13 -
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Sustrai Aditua wrote:All that being as it may, what CFC lost it can quickly regain. Money talks, and they have essentially an endless supply of that.
How exactly is a bunch of isk going to help the Imperium regain (let alone "quickly regain" and/or maintain) multiple regions of fozziesov, or recover the membership they lost? |

Yarosara Ruil
245
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Posted - 2016.05.06 09:35:37 -
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The MBC's Grr Goons was so strong that now we have two Goon groups in EVE! Aren't schisms fun?~
And I for one welcome our new Pandemic Legion (Horde?) overlords. |

baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17629
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Posted - 2016.05.06 11:11:14 -
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Amarrchecko wrote:Sustrai Aditua wrote:All that being as it may, what CFC lost it can quickly regain. Money talks, and they have essentially an endless supply of that. How exactly is a bunch of isk going to help the Imperium regain (let alone "quickly regain" and/or maintain) multiple regions of fozziesov, or recover the membership they lost?
It isnt.
The loss of their empire isnt the biggest blow, the big blow is the loss of their back room talent. The GIA is gone, the replacement "black hand" is nowhere near as effective. They have lost their top tier FC's and whats worse, a good many of them are now working against them. They have lost their talented diplomats and wordsmiths, which is why you see their leadership managing to put their foot in their mouths so much of late and the total lack of quality propaganda from their side. They have managed to alienate almost everyone that built the empire.
The imperium won't recover from this, the people it needs to do that have all been pushed out. |

Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.05.06 13:10:43 -
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GIA, the FC's, and all the "talent" are still in the game, playing.
No dictator / leader has EVER stepped down of their own free will, "for the good of the people", in the history of humanity; it's just not built into our psychological profile to do so. With the war aimed at Mittani et al, I think what we've seen is everyone throwing him out, so to speak, the only way that it could be done (by leaving his organization).
The "talent" will be fine; the game is interesting right now, and there are plenty of employment options between the various alliances, and Darius Johnson coming back from being a CCP dev, to provide another option.
PL et al aren't "the good guys"; the goons could reform, and if they play it right, manage to lay the blame for all the "evil" behavior on Mittani, while painting themselves as the good guys struggling to rescue their brothers who are stuck in Deklein, fighting valiantly against bigger, bloodthirsty, evil entities such as PL.
All they need to do is be very friendly to new players via recruiting into (new?)KarmaFleet etc. CCP wants to see a continuous war, and especially wants to see newbies introduced to it as soon as they create their first character, so KarmaFleet vs. PandemicHorde vs. BNI vs. other similar entities could be a thing. A null alliance would just need to fund a newbie group, and fund constant wars for them, to be acceptable to CCP even if they don't otherwise participate too often in major wars involving supers. |

baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17632
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Posted - 2016.05.06 13:21:49 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:GIA, the FC's, and all the "talent" are still in the game, playing.
Not in the imperium. |

Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14071
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Posted - 2016.05.06 13:30:43 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Hello guys,
I'm wondering what's currently happening with everyone killing goons? A few weeks ago there was alot of chest beating on the forums about how the goons will finally die and EVE will all be rainbows and smileys. What's currently happening to the war since I noticed that everyone just kinda stopped posting about how goons are dying and stuff.
Balon Greyjoy voice
What is docked may never die.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14071
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Posted - 2016.05.06 13:36:31 -
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Yarosara Ruil wrote:The MBC's Grr Goons was so strong that now we have two Goon groups in EVE! Aren't schisms fun?~
Yes they actually are. The Goons schism reminds me of one from my other favorite Sci-fi IP, Battletech. I know there are other BT fans here that will understand what I'm about to say. Mittens Goons are old Comstar, the new goons are the Word of Blake lol.
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Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
1750
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Posted - 2016.05.06 15:40:15 -
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"Not winning fast enough" |

Kaska Iskalar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2016.05.06 15:48:18 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:As a former member, I can say the CFC was all kinds of good fun while The Imperium was a bunch of nerds with broomsticks shoved firmly up their proverbial. The shift from CFC to The Imperium will go down in EVE History as The Mittani's greatest ever mistake. Oh shut up. CFC has been new BoB for years. Nothing changed but the name. |

baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17634
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Posted - 2016.05.06 16:16:22 -
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Kaska Iskalar wrote:Mephiztopheleze wrote:As a former member, I can say the CFC was all kinds of good fun while The Imperium was a bunch of nerds with broomsticks shoved firmly up their proverbial. The shift from CFC to The Imperium will go down in EVE History as The Mittani's greatest ever mistake. Oh shut up. CFC has been new BoB for years. Nothing changed but the name.
Nah he's right.
CFC we all knew and loved ended when they "rebranded" to the Imperium. |

Kaska Iskalar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
67
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Posted - 2016.05.06 17:46:02 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kaska Iskalar wrote:Mephiztopheleze wrote:As a former member, I can say the CFC was all kinds of good fun while The Imperium was a bunch of nerds with broomsticks shoved firmly up their proverbial. The shift from CFC to The Imperium will go down in EVE History as The Mittani's greatest ever mistake. Oh shut up. CFC has been new BoB for years. Nothing changed but the name. Nah he's right. CFC we all knew and loved ended when they "rebranded" to the Imperium. Speak for yourself. I haven't liked them since they became BoB. |
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