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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
MASS HOMICIDE
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 15:10:00 -
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Something that I would like to raise is that shield tank is not only caldari stuff. Half minmatar ships are shield tankers, but do not have the huge CPU that caldari have, so harder to fit the tank.
Maybe the best change would be to make the 7.5 km scrambler be a low slot module.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.03.02 18:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: LUKEC
Edited by: LUKEC on 02/03/2007 11:33:20
Originally by: Grey Area
I love the way your post focusses on the fact that the Rokh can sit there and tank, and carefully skirts around the issue of whether or not the Amarr ship is EVER in any danger of taking damage from it...and the way you slip in that a cap booster is going to be necessary even for it to do that.
Here was my idea, to really assess the "balance" of the ships
Get the Amarr ship to about 75% Kinetic/Thermal resists (armor, obviously)
Get the Rokh to about 75% EM/Thermal resists (shield, obviously)
Park them at a set distance from each other, let them both select the right ammo/Crystal combination for that distance...and just have them open fire and see what happens. No cap boosters, no shield or armour repping, no jockeying for range...both just fitted for the best gank they can get and pounding the pooh out of each other.
Which ship would die first? My money's on the Rokh - and even though it is the uber sniper - I think until you are actually out of range of the Amarr ship entirely, it would lose every time.
There is small issue with your "test". To get resists on amarr that high you need 2kin 2x th. hardener. Then you need 2x rcu II to fit proper guns and then you need cap mods and suddenly you do deadly damage of blastertaranis.
The abaddon really can do it. Specially if you use some rigs.
It will run out of cap before it kills the rokh, or the rokh will be pretty much perma-tanking it.[at least until its cap boosters end].
It is all about the "set range", but the rokh has the advantage there for a number of reasons.
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Jackal79
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:39:00 -
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Caldari is a crap race to fly for PvP. I choose to fly them because I like the way their ships look (minmatar look like wreckage, gallante look... cheapo, and amaar are all gold colored (but they're second best)) and I like other aspects of them too which have no bearing on game play (I'd rather shield tank than armor tank, etc).
I am not so sure caldari are easily outclassed by matar or amarr, though I don't run into those ships very often. I am sure that gallante is better than caldari (and other races) overall. They are better solo (duh) and better in gangs. Take any caldari ship and it's gallante equivelent is superior 9/10 times.
Raven - Any gallante BS is superior.
Rokh - Dunno. It looks good. I suspect a mega is better at all things than a rokh except extreme range (only used in the odd fleet engagement) and tank.
Scorpion - ECM - very useful in certain situations
Drake - Mymidon beats it hands down in all areas (damage, tank, mobility, etc)
Ferox - Brutix or Mymi far superior
Caracal - Thorax or Vexor far superior
Blackbird - A useful, cheap cruiser that can enable a few cheap, cheaply fitted ships to take on something bigger.
The following gallante ships are pretty much unstopable -
Dominix - ECM has no effect on the drones. Heavy NOS makes any active tanking non-cap boosting ship dead meat and any other tanking setup less effective by far. Can't speed tank the drones unless you can outrun them. Nano setup extremely powerful - also extremely safe as pilot can avoid most any fight. Extemely versital.
Mymidon - Insane tank. Battleship levels of damage with T2 heavy drones.
Basically, the only real advantage caldari has on other races is ECM, which is useful but ECM ships have limited utility. Especially when you consider ECM is useless against gallente drone ships.
Gallente vs Caldari - Gallante "launch drones button" == "I Win"
Gallante "turn on armor repper button" == "God Mode"
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SitRep
Caldari
Warspite Developments
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Posted - 2007.03.03 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jackal79
Basically, the only real advantage caldari has on other races is ECM, which is useful but ECM ships have limited utility.
Correction, handi-capped ECM.
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Trillian Mcmillan
Cry Me A River Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.03 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Trillian Mcmillan on 03/03/2007 01:52:53
Originally by: Jackal79
Basically, the only real advantage caldari has on other races is ECM, which is useful but ECM ships have limited utility.
Thats a really good one!
Im thinking of using it as my sig if you dont mind.
EDIT: just in case i wanst clear... Caldari railbotas except the harpy and the rokh seriously lack dps, i dont like missiles for pvp and ECM ships are not worth flying atm imho. On a brighter note my Mega training is nearing its end.
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Wrayeth
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.03 03:50:00 -
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Originally by: Trillian Mcmillan
On a brighter note my Mega training is nearing its end.
On a similar note, I just figured out how to make a maelstrom kick out 1000 DPS and still tank decently.
I'll still be flying my nighthawk, but my raven's pretty much relegated to the hangar these days except for carebearage.
-Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
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Constantinee
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.03.03 04:52:00 -
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tbh im caldari i love the ships but am gallante and minmitar specced. however i fly a mean ionrokh :)
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