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Aucturis Arbosa Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2016.05.13 04:03:05 - [1] - Quote So I've been away from the game for over a year. Just got back into it and I've been TRYING to mine to build up some money. Unfortunately I've discovered the new "Hotness" in EVE....Asteroid Squatting. When did it become fashionable to absolutely gank a lowly mining rig...in Hi Sec areas and then scream at you for not paying for a mining contract? I mean seriously, is this the new "friendly" EVE way of playing? Getting prison gang raped by morons until you either join their prison gang or pay a stupid contract fee and still get blasted by these Heathens? What the hell are you supposed to do to make money? Is AFK mining in HI SEC a relic of the past? I've lost 3 rigs in the last week and I haven't even played that many hours to be honest. Seems like every other time I sign on and try to mine I get podded....I'm starting to think I made a big mistake coming back. Time to look for new game I suppose?
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 735	Posted - 2016.05.13 04:12:43 - [2] - Quote LOL Mining ganking has been around for a very long time. And if youve only been gone a year and you dont know this you are either trolling or immensely stupid/lucky to have not met with this treatment before. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 417	Posted - 2016.05.13 04:14:59 - [3] - Quote Killing is just a means of communication. Nothing bad in communicating. Actually if you want to make ISK mining, then out of highsec has advantages as long as you have the logistic capabilities to deliver to market. Mineral use was rebalanced a few months ago, making lowsec and nullsec ores more valuable than highsec ores. Less communication happening if you are smart, and more ISK available.
Aucturis Arbosa Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2016.05.13 04:23:43 - [4] - Quote Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: LOL Mining ganking has been around for a very long time. And if youve only been gone a year and you dont know this you are either trolling or immensely stupid/lucky to have not met with this treatment before. Guess I've been lucky because I'm not a Troll and I didn't play that much when I was playing a year ago....So lucky it is.
Mark O'Helm Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt 201	Posted - 2016.05.13 04:25:50 - [5] - Quote -don't mine afk -set Code. to red contacts - fly a procurer "Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen. Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher. Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen." (Ein Single) "Wirklich coolen Leuten ist es egal, ob sie cool sind." (Einer, dem es egal ist)
Aucturis Arbosa Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2016.05.13 04:26:48 - [6] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Killing is just a means of communication. Nothing bad in communicating. Actually if you want to make ISK mining, then out of highsec has advantages as long as you have the logistic capabilities to deliver to market. Mineral use was rebalanced a few months ago, making lowsec and nullsec ores more valuable than highsec ores. Less communication happening if you are smart, and more ISK available. I've got the means to deliver, but I guess I don't have the smarts to build a decent mining rig that can bounce out of trouble when it comes my way. My last mining effort was in a low sec area and got away with the first pass. Next pass...not so much luck.
Aucturis Arbosa Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2016.05.13 04:29:55 - [7] - Quote Mark O'Helm wrote: -don't mine afk -set Code. to red contacts - fly a procurer Sometimes I GOT to do my laundry....perfect time for AFK mining.... So how in the Hell do I set Code? Don't even know what that means honestly. I was using a Retriever for Hi Sec and the lowly Venture for Hi Sec....since that seems to be more profitable for less ore...and time in the "Hot Zone"
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1173	Posted - 2016.05.13 04:44:39 - [8] - Quote Let's see: - AFK Mining in a retrieve- - Not docking up while afk - Fitting your retriever like that(poor thing was begging for a quick death) - Not using dscan to gtfo when those cats start showing up You deserved what you got. That's like saying "I'm gonna afk in Street Fighter without pausing the game" and then coming back to see your Ryu KO'd and wondering why the game is bad. Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Mark O'Helm Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt 201	Posted - 2016.05.13 04:47:52 - [9] - Quote Search for "Code." in contacts. It's the main high-sec suicide ganker alliance. Add them to your contacts and set them to -10 or red. You will see, what i mean. Afk playing is by many players not considered playing. In general remember "Adapt or die" and "Don't undock, what you cannot afford to loose." Fly safe. "Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen. Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher. Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen." (Ein Single) "Wirklich coolen Leuten ist es egal, ob sie cool sind." (Einer, dem es egal ist)
Sustrai Aditua Irubo Kovu 197	Posted - 2016.05.13 04:57:37 - [10] - Quote Don't let the tough boy responses fool you. Ganking miners as a sole activity for the unimaginative, and low achievers has become a mainstay - and I daresay, the most active activity in EVE now. I suggest miners stop mining. Let the shelves run out of goods. No. Wait. The "large alliances" with a lock on thing$ will just keep mining and funding (it's CODE for...meh, who cares?) Become a miner ganker yourself perhaps? It may be more challenging to watch them unload produce at the local Publix. If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.

Galaxxis Unicorn Rampage 74	Posted - 2016.05.13 05:02:43 - [11] - Quote Returns on high-sec mining are already so crappy, I'm not sure why anyone would even bother ganking these miners. It's like beating up a homeless person because they're pan handling.
Aucturis Arbosa Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2016.05.13 05:03:14 - [12] - Quote Yang Aurilen wrote: Let's see: - AFK Mining in a retrieve- - Not docking up while afk - Fitting your retriever like that(poor thing was begging for a quick death) - Not using dscan to gtfo when those cats start showing up You deserved what you got. That's like saying "I'm gonna afk in Street Fighter without pausing the game" and then coming back to see your Ryu KO'd and wondering why the game is bad. Hey Mr. "I'm better then you" I'm not looking for Trolls....I'm looking for solutions. Sorry I can't spend the 20+hrs a week like you to figure this game out. Solutions or shut the Hell up
Pix Severus Empty You 4377	Posted - 2016.05.13 05:05:29 - [13] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Is AFK mining in HI SEC a relic of the past? Almost, thankfully. -ì-ä-à -£-à+¦-äGêâ-Ç
Aucturis Arbosa Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2016.05.13 05:05:37 - [14] - Quote Sustrai Aditua wrote: Don't let the tough boy responses fool you. Ganking miners as a sole activity for the unimaginative, and low achievers has become a mainstay - and I daresay, the most active activity in EVE now. I suggest miners stop mining. Let the shelves run out of goods. No. Wait. The "large alliances" with a lock on thing$ will just keep mining and funding (it's CODE for...meh, who cares?) Become a miner ganker yourself perhaps? It may be more challenging to watch them unload produce at the local Publix. What I'm thinking about is taking my Typhoon out to where I got ganked....cloak and wait for those 2 a-holes to show back up in their frigates....
Aucturis Arbosa Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2016.05.13 05:06:53 - [15] - Quote Galaxxis wrote: Returns on high-sec mining are already so crappy, I'm not sure why anyone would even bother ganking these miners. It's like beating up a homeless person because they're pan handling. Yep....that's about it
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1175	Posted - 2016.05.13 05:08:30 - [16] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Yang Aurilen wrote: Let's see: - AFK Mining in a retrieve- - Not docking up while afk - Fitting your retriever like that(poor thing was begging for a quick death) - Not using dscan to gtfo when those cats start showing up You deserved what you got. That's like saying "I'm gonna afk in Street Fighter without pausing the game" and then coming back to see your Ryu KO'd and wondering why the game is bad. Hey Mr. "I'm better then you" I'm not looking for Trolls....I'm looking for solutions. Sorry I can't spend the 20+hrs a week like you to figure this game out. Solutions or shut the Hell up Solution: 1. DO NOT AFK 2. Learn to Dscan 3. DO NOT AFK 4. Fit a tank (hint: retrievers are bad at it) 5. DO NOT AFK 6. Set known gankers to -10 7. DO NOT AFK 8. Dock up when you want to afk not stay on the belt to be a target for cats 9. DO NOT AFK 10. Team up with other like-minded players (that don't afk mine and whine about dying when they get ganked) 11. DO NOT AFK There's your solution. It aint hard m8 I even made an alt to mine my way into a bloody rhea. Did I forget to say that DO NOT AFK when undocked? I think I didn't say it hard enough. DONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIE Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 2488	Posted - 2016.05.13 05:11:31 - [17] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: I mean seriously, is this the new "friendly" EVE way of playing? Getting prison gang raped by morons until you either join their prison gang or pay a stupid contract fee and still get blasted by these Heathens? What the hell are you supposed to do to make money? Is AFK mining in HI SEC a relic of the past? I've lost 3 rigs in the last week and I haven't even played that many hours to be honest. Seems like every other time I sign on and try to mine I get podded....I'm starting to think I made a big mistake coming back. Time to look for new game I suppose? Eve is full time, PvP sandbox experience. I am not sure why you think you should be able to go out into space, and gather resources with no risk to your self. You wouldn't start a Call of Duty match and then go wander off to do your laundry and feel entitled to have not been shot by other players. But really, CCP has given you two mining ships, the Procurer and Skiff, that are so uneconomical and tough to gank that even the New Order rarely does so. If you cannot pay attention to your highsec mining, just accept the trade offs these ships have and use their massive defenses to play the game AFK. Eve is a multiplayer game. If you find yourself continually losing to other players you should consider adapting and changing something. In your case you either need to pay more attention or change your fit although my real recommendation is to find another way to make ISK entirely. Even under the best circumstances highsec mining does not pay well and there are plenty of other options out there. Why Do They Gank?
Aucturis Arbosa Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2016.05.13 05:11:55 - [18] - Quote Yang Aurilen wrote: Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Yang Aurilen wrote: Let's see: - AFK Mining in a retrieve- - Not docking up while afk - Fitting your retriever like that(poor thing was begging for a quick death) - Not using dscan to gtfo when those cats start showing up You deserved what you got. That's like saying "I'm gonna afk in Street Fighter without pausing the game" and then coming back to see your Ryu KO'd and wondering why the game is bad. Hey Mr. "I'm better then you" I'm not looking for Trolls....I'm looking for solutions. Sorry I can't spend the 20+hrs a week like you to figure this game out. Solutions or shut the Hell up Solution: 1. DO NOT AFK 2. Learn to Dscan 3. DO NOT AFK 4. Fit a tank (hint: retrievers are bad at it) 5. DO NOT AFK 6. Set known gankers to -10 7. DO NOT AFK 8. Dock up when you want to afk not stay on the belt to be a target for cats 9. DO NOT AFK 10. Team up with other like-minded players (that don't afk mine and whine about dying when they get ganked) 11. DO NOT AFK There's your solution. It aint hard m8 I even made an alt to mine my way into a bloody rhea. Did I forget to say that DO NOT AFK when undocked? I think I didn't say it hard enough. DONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIE Jeezuz....you need to get laid
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1175	Posted - 2016.05.13 05:14:44 - [19] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Yang Aurilen wrote: Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Yang Aurilen wrote: Let's see: - AFK Mining in a retrieve- - Not docking up while afk - Fitting your retriever like that(poor thing was begging for a quick death) - Not using dscan to gtfo when those cats start showing up You deserved what you got. That's like saying "I'm gonna afk in Street Fighter without pausing the game" and then coming back to see your Ryu KO'd and wondering why the game is bad. Hey Mr. "I'm better then you" I'm not looking for Trolls....I'm looking for solutions. Sorry I can't spend the 20+hrs a week like you to figure this game out. Solutions or shut the Hell up Solution: 1. DO NOT AFK 2. Learn to Dscan 3. DO NOT AFK 4. Fit a tank (hint: retrievers are bad at it) 5. DO NOT AFK 6. Set known gankers to -10 7. DO NOT AFK 8. Dock up when you want to afk not stay on the belt to be a target for cats 9. DO NOT AFK 10. Team up with other like-minded players (that don't afk mine and whine about dying when they get ganked) 11. DO NOT AFK There's your solution. It aint hard m8 I even made an alt to mine my way into a bloody rhea. Did I forget to say that DO NOT AFK when undocked? I think I didn't say it hard enough. DONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIE Jeezuz....you need to get laid Asks for solution, gets it and doesn't like said solution as it doesn't conform with his idea of a "solution" and therefore proceeds to insult said solution giver. It's like you don't want to learn on how to play EVE and just want it to fit with your own concept on how EVE should be. Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Aucturis Arbosa Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2016.05.13 05:16:52 - [20] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Aucturis Arbosa wrote: I mean seriously, is this the new "friendly" EVE way of playing? Getting prison gang raped by morons until you either join their prison gang or pay a stupid contract fee and still get blasted by these Heathens? What the hell are you supposed to do to make money? Is AFK mining in HI SEC a relic of the past? I've lost 3 rigs in the last week and I haven't even played that many hours to be honest. Seems like every other time I sign on and try to mine I get podded....I'm starting to think I made a big mistake coming back. Time to look for new game I suppose? Eve is full time, PvP sandbox experience. I am not sure why you think you should be able to go out into space, and gather resources with no risk to your self. You wouldn't start a Call of Duty match and then go wander off to do your laundry and feel entitled to have not been shot by other players. But really, CCP has given you two mining ships, the Procurer and Skiff, that are so uneconomical and tough to gank that even the New Order rarely does so. If you cannot pay attention to your highsec mining, just accept the trade offs these ships have and use their massive defenses to play the game AFK. Eve is a multiplayer game. If you find yourself continually losing to other players you should consider adapting and changing something. In your case you either need to pay more attention or change your fit although my real recommendation is to find another way to make ISK entirely. Even under the best circumstances highsec mining does not pay well and there are plenty of other options out there. I HATE FPS games....It's not like I AFK all day long. The last 3 times I was at the keyboard. You just can't react fast enough to these guys. So the useful info I got out of this is Procurer and Skiff...Good to know. As for ISK generation, what would you suggest? I don't have a lot to start off with anyway, so Mining seems the logical choice for now.

Captain Stupid Ciggy Butt Brains. ChaosTheory. 177	Posted - 2016.05.13 05:19:14 - [21] - Quote He could always buy a permit
Aucturis Arbosa Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2016.05.13 05:23:11 - [22] - Quote Yang Aurilen wrote: Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Yang Aurilen wrote: Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Yang Aurilen wrote: Let's see: - AFK Mining in a retrieve- - Not docking up while afk - Fitting your retriever like that(poor thing was begging for a quick death) - Not using dscan to gtfo when those cats start showing up You deserved what you got. That's like saying "I'm gonna afk in Street Fighter without pausing the game" and then coming back to see your Ryu KO'd and wondering why the game is bad. Hey Mr. "I'm better then you" I'm not looking for Trolls....I'm looking for solutions. Sorry I can't spend the 20+hrs a week like you to figure this game out. Solutions or shut the Hell up Solution: 1. DO NOT AFK 2. Learn to Dscan 3. DO NOT AFK 4. Fit a tank (hint: retrievers are bad at it) 5. DO NOT AFK 6. Set known gankers to -10 7. DO NOT AFK 8. Dock up when you want to afk not stay on the belt to be a target for cats 9. DO NOT AFK 10. Team up with other like-minded players (that don't afk mine and whine about dying when they get ganked) 11. DO NOT AFK There's your solution. It aint hard m8 I even made an alt to mine my way into a bloody rhea. Did I forget to say that DO NOT AFK when undocked? I think I didn't say it hard enough. DONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIE Jeezuz....you need to get laid Asks for solution, gets it and doesn't like said solution as it doesn't conform with his idea of a "solution" and therefore proceeds to insult said solution giver. It's like you don't want to learn on how to play EVE and just want it to fit with your own concept on how EVE should be. Well you DID start the insults first, BUT if it's appreciation for being an insulting Ass Hat, then sure I'll let you have it. THANK YOU SO SO MUCH.....OH I SHOULD KISS YOUR FEET YOU STUD OF A EVE PILOT. OMG I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY....YOU TALKED TO ME AND MY LIFE JUST CHANGED FOR THE BETTER. OH THE HUMANITY. I'M GOING TO FAINT! Do me a favor....please go Troll another thread.
Aucturis Arbosa Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2016.05.13 05:24:19 - [23] - Quote Captain Stupid wrote: He could always buy a permit Well I COULD, but I've been told and have seen people get blasted even when they had one.....so I'd rather just not.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 2488	Posted - 2016.05.13 05:35:52 - [24] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: I HATE FPS games....It's not like I AFK all day long. The last 3 times I was at the keyboard. You just can't react fast enough to these guys. So the useful info I got out of this is Procurer and Skiff...Good to know. As for ISK generation, what would you suggest? I don't have a lot to start off with anyway, so Mining seems the logical choice for now. More lucrative professions with low bars to entry include exploration, PI (although I would look to lowsec) which is pretty passive once you get it set up, or even wormhole gas mining. Gas miners are dirt cheap (although the skill book is not) and while you will get close to 100M ISK/hour if you can ninja high end sites, your overall income will be lower given the time overhead of scanning down wormhole chains. You never said why you want to make ISK but if it for PvP you might just want to just jump into Faction Warfare. The plexes and eventually missions pay very well. Similarly if you have the skills sleeper combat sites in the low class wormholes you can easily access from highsec are lucrative and relatively quick and safe. Finally there is L4 missions and Incursions in highsec. These will eventually suck the joy of the game out of you, but if you just need a set amount of ISK you can grind then for a bit. More generally though, ISK is just a means to an end. You should be enjoying your game time playing how you want and then trying to make ISK from that rather than putting ISK first and as your main goal. The a many ways to make ISK but it is much better if you find a way you enjoy, even if slightly less efficient, than to suffer through game play you hate because you think you need ISK. Play the game, find what you like, set some goals and then go from there about how to make ISK. Why Do They Gank?
Pak Narhoo Splinter Foundation 1698	Posted - 2016.05.13 05:41:56 - [25] - Quote AFK mining is not playing the game, it's like having young kids in your house with a loaded gun under a pillow while you flirt with the neighbor's wife over the garden fence and expecting nothing will go wrong.
Shayla Etherodyne Delta Laroth Industries 58	Posted - 2016.05.13 05:42:34 - [26] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: So I've been away from the game for over a year. Just got back into it and I've been TRYING to mine to build up some money. Unfortunately I've discovered the new "Hotness" in EVE....Asteroid Squatting. When did it become fashionable to absolutely gank a lowly mining rig...in Hi Sec areas and then scream at you for not paying for a mining contract? I mean seriously, is this the new "friendly" EVE way of playing? Getting prison gang raped by morons until you either join their prison gang or pay a stupid contract fee and still get blasted by these Heathens? What the hell are you supposed to do to make money? Is AFK mining in HI SEC a relic of the past? I've lost 3 rigs in the last week and I haven't even played that many hours to be honest. Seems like every other time I sign on and try to mine I get podded....I'm starting to think I made a big mistake coming back. Time to look for new game I suppose? Mining ganking has always existed. Simply the area where you are now mining has a high percentage of gankers. Move to a less frequented system and fit a tank to your mining ships, possibly an active oen so that the gankers notice it and choose easier targets.
Aucturis Arbosa Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2016.05.13 05:51:46 - [27] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: [quote=Aucturis Arbosa]More lucrative professions with low bars to entry include exploration, PI (although I would look to lowsec) which is pretty passive once you get it set up, or even wormhole gas mining. Gas miners are dirt cheap (although the skill book is not) and while you will get close to 100M ISK/hour if you can ninja high end sites, your overall income will be lower given the time overhead of scanning down wormhole chains. You never said why you want to make ISK but if it for PvP you might just want to just jump into Faction Warfare. The plexes and eventually missions pay very well. Similarly if you have the skills sleeper combat sites in the low class wormholes you can easily access from highsec are lucrative and relatively quick and safe. For the main reason ISK...because I want to buy stuff! But I've got my skills up to pilot an ORCA, so that's my main goal for now is to purchase and insure one of those bad boys...Working on my carrier skills now. That's my next goal. I guess after all that I'll try to join a corp. Its a cool open sandbox game and I know there are other players out there, but sometimes I'd rather just fly SOLO (pun intended).
Captain Stupid Ciggy Butt Brains. ChaosTheory. 177	Posted - 2016.05.13 06:00:04 - [28] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Captain Stupid wrote: He could always buy a permit Well I COULD, but I've been told and have seen people get blasted even when they had one.....so I'd rather just not. Well, in fairness you are correct. The permit only allows mining in high sec, and not afk mining, which I understand is in violation of the terms and therefore invalidates it. That's an in game way of describing that CODE would just blow you up anyway On topic, and hopefully helping, just don't use a retriever, it is the gankers favourite target!
RabbitX Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 2	Posted - 2016.05.13 06:20:58 - [29] - Quote Anyone found purchasing a permit will be ganked on site.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1560	Posted - 2016.05.13 07:00:25 - [30] - Quote Hi, You seem to have got blasted by the forum warriors for trying to play in your own sandbox. Here is what you fly and how you fit it:, some people tell me its over tanked, but ignore them, you want to be hard to kill and here it is... [Skiff, Skiff] Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Shield Extender II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermal Dissipation Field II Strip Miner I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I x5 Those CODEling's will now go and blow up someone else because you will be too hard for them. If you cannot yet fly the Skiff get a Procurer and do a similar fit, gankers don't go for them either. As for the CODE permit, it is not worth the paper it is printed on, the Skiff and their inability to up their game to kill it is your permit... EDIT: LOL, CODE needed three Catalysts to kill a Retreiver, that is so funny. Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically no longer a themepark for gankers now that CCP have rebalanced key areas. Well done CCP

Tisiphone Dira New Order Logistics CODE. 826	Posted - 2016.05.13 07:01:25 - [31] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Captain Stupid wrote: He could always buy a permit Well I COULD, but I've been told and have seen people get blasted even when they had one.....so I'd rather just not. Told by whom? Biased rebel propaganda no doubt. I have never in my entire career as an agent of the New Order even heard of a code-compliant miner getting ganked and not then being reimbursed.
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 10516	Posted - 2016.05.13 07:05:06 - [32] - Quote Move elsewhere. And you can always try new things, not mining. Mining is not really the best thing in EVE. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Planetary Interaction 2.1
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 10516	Posted - 2016.05.13 07:09:27 - [33] - Quote Tisiphone Dira wrote: code-compliant miner You can always say there are some. But in reality they do not exist for CODE. Mining permits dont do anything else than give you free ISK. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Planetary Interaction 2.1
Specia1 K State War Academy Caldari State 155	Posted - 2016.05.13 07:49:20 - [34] - Quote Don't train the Orca, unless you are in a corp (that needs a booster) and/or have at least 3 mining alts. You will make nothing. If you want to PVE, train your probing skills, hacking skills, and basic combat skills. With these at decent level (like lvl4) you can do the data/relic and combat anomalies in highsec and work towards lowsec/wh or null if you wish. Now you will deal with RNG (random loot and spawns) but will enjoy it solo. Exploration is ideally suited if you want solo play. I think most who have done these basics will agree that you can at least pull some decent loot from time to time. You also get bounty payments for ratting, and will improve your standings and security ratings (you might need those...). For Bob's sake just don't afk mine in a bloody Retriever or Covetor...sorry Tisi
lollerwaffle Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture 288	Posted - 2016.05.13 08:40:39 - [35] - Quote Bye 10 characters
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 2488	Posted - 2016.05.13 08:42:47 - [36] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: For the main reason ISK...because I want to buy stuff! But I've got my skills up to pilot an ORCA, so that's my main goal for now is to purchase and insure one of those bad boys... Why? I am not telling you how to play the game, but an Orca is a mining support ship/mini-freighter. Unless you have many accounts it is useless for mining, and only marginally useful for hauling things. If you want to fly an Orca you should at least find a group of other players, if not join a corp that you can use the Orca together to improve your mining yield. Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Working on my carrier skills now. That's my next goal. I guess after all that I'll try to join a corp. Its a cool open sandbox game and I know there are other players out there, but sometimes I'd rather just fly SOLO (pun intended). You can always fly solo, even in most corps. Just find a more laid back one that doesn't mind you doing you own thing much of the time but yet you will have some support and help accomplishing your goals. There is no reason to avoid joining a corp until you reach some arbitrary milestone. You will not be able to routinely fly a carrier by yourself. At a minimum you will need multiple accounts, but in reality you will want a group to belong to to help protect and make use of that ship. Both your goals really require you to look towards finding a corp that will fit with your playstyle. Make that a priority because if you are just avoiding it because you don't feel ready, I am telling you that you will never feel ready. The most efficient way to learn the game is to join a (good) group an benefit from their knowledge and direct support. The worst that can happen is the corp sucks and you quit. You will be no worse off than you are today. Why Do They Gank?
lollerwaffle Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture 288	Posted - 2016.05.13 08:44:30 - [37] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: What I'm thinking about is taking my Typhoon out to where I got ganked....cloak and wait for those 2 a-holes to show back up in their frigates.... Because a BS with a cloak fitted will be able to uncloak, lock, and kill those frigates before the retriever gets popped? Right
lollerwaffle Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture 288	Posted - 2016.05.13 08:45:39 - [38] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Hey Mr. "I'm better then you" I'm not looking for Trolls....I'm looking for solutions. Solution: Don't play AFK.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 6055	Posted - 2016.05.13 09:11:01 - [39] - Quote Mining Safely
Gurista Nerfed Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2016.05.13 09:15:11 - [40] - Quote Everybody ganks, or tries to. Everybody wardec griefs. Everybody talks **** in local. The game is out of control. About the permit thing, that's just a silly thing that you can safely tell them to stuff where the sun don't shine.

Netan MalDoran Last Garrison 215	Posted - 2016.05.13 15:30:13 - [41] - Quote Yang Aurilen wrote: Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Yang Aurilen wrote: Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Yang Aurilen wrote: Let's see: - AFK Mining in a retrieve- - Not docking up while afk - Fitting your retriever like that(poor thing was begging for a quick death) - Not using dscan to gtfo when those cats start showing up You deserved what you got. That's like saying "I'm gonna afk in Street Fighter without pausing the game" and then coming back to see your Ryu KO'd and wondering why the game is bad. Hey Mr. "I'm better then you" I'm not looking for Trolls....I'm looking for solutions. Sorry I can't spend the 20+hrs a week like you to figure this game out. Solutions or shut the Hell up Solution: 1. DO NOT AFK 2. Learn to Dscan 3. DO NOT AFK 4. Fit a tank (hint: retrievers are bad at it) 5. DO NOT AFK 6. Set known gankers to -10 7. DO NOT AFK 8. Dock up when you want to afk not stay on the belt to be a target for cats 9. DO NOT AFK 10. Team up with other like-minded players (that don't afk mine and whine about dying when they get ganked) 11. DO NOT AFK There's your solution. It aint hard m8 I even made an alt to mine my way into a bloody rhea. Did I forget to say that DO NOT AFK when undocked? I think I didn't say it hard enough. DONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIE Jeezuz....you need to get laid Asks for solution, gets it and doesn't like said solution as it doesn't conform with his idea of a "solution" and therefore proceeds to insult said solution giver. It's like you don't want to learn on how to play EVE and just want it to fit with your own concept on how EVE should be. Pretty much this all sums it up, OP, you basically lost all credibility you had with your response to Yang's original post. This guy isn't a troll, you just cant appearantally handle the truth of either play the game, die horribly, or go play another game like WoW, I'm sure Blizzard will cater to your every need to the point where they water down the game "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was! Falcon's truth
Anyura Dark-Rising 201	Posted - 2016.05.13 15:55:22 - [42] - Quote Suicide ganking lead to the development of the Battle Venture Fleet.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14090	Posted - 2016.05.13 16:27:16 - [43] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: So I've been away from the game for over a year. Just got back into it and I've been TRYING to mine to build up some money. Unfortunately I've discovered the new "Hotness" in EVE....Asteroid Squatting. When did it become fashionable to absolutely gank a lowly mining rig...in Hi Sec areas and then scream at you for not paying for a mining contract? I mean seriously, is this the new "friendly" EVE way of playing? Getting prison gang raped by morons until you either join their prison gang or pay a stupid contract fee and still get blasted by these Heathens? What the hell are you supposed to do to make money? Is AFK mining in HI SEC a relic of the past? I've lost 3 rigs in the last week and I haven't even played that many hours to be honest. Seems like every other time I sign on and try to mine I get podded....I'm starting to think I made a big mistake coming back. Time to look for new game I suppose? Ladies and gentlemen, please read and re-read this post. After the 2nd time you read it, ask your self "why does groups like CODE" exist"? If you can't see the obvious answer, seek mental healthcare attention.
Milan Nantucket New Eden Misfits 218	Posted - 2016.05.13 16:50:31 - [44] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Mark O'Helm wrote: -don't mine afk -set Code. to red contacts - fly a procurer Sometimes I GOT to do my laundry....perfect time for AFK mining.... So how in the Hell do I set Code? Don't even know what that means honestly. I was using a Retriever for Hi Sec and the lowly Venture for Hi Sec....since that seems to be more profitable for less ore...and time in the "Hot Zone" 1) First read about the Law Of Highsec from here: http://www.lawofhighsec.com/the-law 2) Then find yourself a code agent and purchasing a Mining Permit and follow his or her instructions for display it because Permit Tank is best tank. 3) Follow the Law Of Highsec for example dock up when you GOT to do your laundry. 4) Read http://www.minerbumping.com/ and don't be a goofus.
Bing Bangboom DAMAG Safety Commission 472	Posted - 2016.05.13 18:09:58 - [45] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: So I've been away from the game for over a year. Just got back into it and I've been TRYING to mine to build up some money. Unfortunately I've discovered the new "Hotness" in EVE....Asteroid Squatting. When did it become fashionable to absolutely gank a lowly mining rig...in Hi Sec areas and then scream at you for not paying for a mining contract? I mean seriously, is this the new "friendly" EVE way of playing? Getting prison gang raped by morons until you either join their prison gang or pay a stupid contract fee and still get blasted by these Heathens? What the hell are you supposed to do to make money? Is AFK mining in HI SEC a relic of the past? I've lost 3 rigs in the last week and I haven't even played that many hours to be honest. Seems like every other time I sign on and try to mine I get podded....I'm starting to think I made a big mistake coming back. Time to look for new game I suppose? What you are experiencing is just a small part of Code enforcement in highsec. The fact that you got ganked (repeatedly) while AFK mining is to be expected in New Order systems but its really just a tiny part of "the big picture". For some time now, the New Order has required permits not just for highsec mining but for all PvE activities in James' space. For instance, CCP was recently forced to revise the age old bumping mechanics due to the near extinction of highsec freighters. Additionally, highsec shuttle pilots were stunned (and smashed and exploded) to find out that you cannot safely transport PLEX and skill injectors on autopilot across our space. Or that podding is not, in fact, a bannable offense in highsec. The lamentations closely resembled your OP. So don't feel like you have been treated unequally. All persons who mine, haul, mission or just fly across New Order systems (those with sec status between .5 and 1.0) are equally subject to the Code and have paid just as high a price for not meeting its requirements. Its been going on for four years now and isn't about to abate. You can see from the butt-hurt on display by other commenters in this thread alone that the impact has been widespread albet not yet sufficient to convince the really dumb. You can follow the advice of those who have chosen to permanantly wreck their productivity and fly a Skiff or Procurer (As an aside, you people who do are fooling no one. We know you only do it because you actually fear us so its a victory for us anyway) or you can try and move where we aren't (which means lowsec, null or a wh (ALTHOUGH we've been known to come get particularly defiant rebels even there) or you can do the smart thing. Buy a permit and follow the Code. 10 million ISK is much less than the cost of a Retriever much less three of them even in miner math. Highsec is worth fighting for. By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers EVEolution. 443	Posted - 2016.05.13 18:12:18 - [46] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Yang Aurilen wrote: Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Yang Aurilen wrote: Let's see: - AFK Mining in a retrieve- - Not docking up while afk - Fitting your retriever like that(poor thing was begging for a quick death) - Not using dscan to gtfo when those cats start showing up You deserved what you got. That's like saying "I'm gonna afk in Street Fighter without pausing the game" and then coming back to see your Ryu KO'd and wondering why the game is bad. Hey Mr. "I'm better then you" I'm not looking for Trolls....I'm looking for solutions. Sorry I can't spend the 20+hrs a week like you to figure this game out. Solutions or shut the Hell up Solution: 1. DO NOT AFK 2. Learn to Dscan 3. DO NOT AFK 4. Fit a tank (hint: retrievers are bad at it) 5. DO NOT AFK 6. Set known gankers to -10 7. DO NOT AFK 8. Dock up when you want to afk not stay on the belt to be a target for cats 9. DO NOT AFK 10. Team up with other like-minded players (that don't afk mine and whine about dying when they get ganked) 11. DO NOT AFK There's your solution. It aint hard m8 I even made an alt to mine my way into a bloody rhea. Did I forget to say that DO NOT AFK when undocked? I think I didn't say it hard enough. DONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIEDONOTAFKMINEYOUWILLSERIOUSLYDIE Jeezuz....you need to get laid no you do, a few times, while you're doing that,, don't go AFK
Terra Universum Perkone Caldari State 4	Posted - 2016.05.13 18:28:53 - [47] - Quote People of the forums... Realize that a lot of people play Eve for other reasons than the actual game play. Do you think people mine in high sec because the isk is good? Please... They mine there because mining is a very relaxing actvivity and just chilling in space with the great visuals of the mining lasers. Like someone once said, mining is the BEST screen saver ever. You have OP here, just wants to mine and relax and just CHILL. Make concord respond faster, because Ops style of gameplay is not really about crappy hi sec isk, it's about the experience of being in an asteroid belt with the beautiful visuals and simply enjoying eve. EDIT: Remember the days when you could hide the UI and just mine? Yeah, you cant do that anymore. There are plenty of activities that require attention and detail, mining isn't one of them. Let it remain what is always was... Relaxing... Chill....
Trader20 Hedion University Amarr Empire 56	Posted - 2016.05.13 19:25:05 - [48] - Quote What kind of tank are you fitting, buffer or active, are you overheating? Do you know what ships they normally fly (fit for that resist). Are you checking local? Are you staying aligned to a safe spot? You could try moving to new space or get a cloaked falcon alt and jam them up or a logi alt and rr until concord arrives or just get a fast locking alt ship and piggyback on their concord km's for the lul's. If you see them in system dock up and fit an extra beefy tank for your mining ship and bait them. Nothing funnier then a failed attempt at suicide ganking. And please God never pay other players anything ever ransoms/ permits/ etc
Shiloh Templeton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 530	Posted - 2016.05.13 23:09:34 - [49] - Quote OP: Suggestions #1: All you have to do is use a tanked Procurer or Skiff when you are going to AFK mine as mentioned above. Semi-AFK is the only way I ever mined and I was never ganked. I use to casually mine with my Procurer in an Ice belt while Code was ganking a retriever. One time in an ore belt I came back to find two catalysts wrecks laying beside my Procurer. The only time I ran for safety is when Loyalanon came by with his 10 man crew - it was impressive to witness the skill & precision they operated with. Suggestion #2: Embrace the idea that ganking is actually good for the Eve eco-system. The cat and mouse makes game play much more interesting & exploding ships helps create the demand that industrialists supply (you included with the ore price). P.S. I loved mining with a Orca support. The leadership skills are maybe not worth it, but I later moved the character into a strategic cruiser booster and then a command ship - so it's not necessarily wasted training time. Plus an Orca is very useful for relocating or hauling. P.P.S. Look into mining missions if you really want to maximize AFK.
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1194	Posted - 2016.05.13 23:57:40 - [50] - Quote Trader20 wrote: What kind of tank are you fitting, buffer or active, are you overheating? Do you know what ships they normally fly (fit for that resist). Are you checking local? Are you staying aligned to a safe spot? You could try moving to new space or get a cloaked falcon alt and jam them up or a logi alt and rr until concord arrives or just get a fast locking alt ship and piggyback on their concord km's for the lul's. If you see them in system dock up and fit an extra beefy tank for your mining ship and bait them. Nothing funnier then a failed attempt at suicide ganking. And please never pay other players anything ever ransoms/ permits/ etc and also like the others have said afk while undocked is a death sentence. EFT even crashes because it refuses to load such a fit. [Retriever, Aucturis Arbosa's Retriever] 100mm Steel Plates II Mining Laser Upgrade I Type-D Restrained Nanofiber Structure Medium Shield Booster I Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I Medium Ice Harvester Accelerator I This one is more sane even if he died. [Retriever, Aucturis Arbosa's Retriever] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Survey Scanner II Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Medium Drone Durability Enhancer I But seriously the moment the cats land and you're on grid with them in those retrievers you already failed. Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!

Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 12038	Posted - 2016.05.14 00:04:11 - [51] - Quote HoleySheet1...have you been reincarnated as a miner?! Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi . Bumble's Space Log
Gurista Nerfed Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2016.05.14 00:16:11 - [52] - Quote 1 alliance, 240+ active wars currently. That's just wrong. Wrong thread, sue me.
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1195	Posted - 2016.05.14 01:36:39 - [53] - Quote Have you ever been so mad at "griefing" wardeccers that you posted on the wrong thread? I know I did! Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7673	Posted - 2016.05.14 02:10:28 - [54] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: So I've been away from the game for over a year. Just got back into it and I've been TRYING to mine to build up some money. Unfortunately I've discovered the new "Hotness" in EVE....Asteroid Squatting. When did it become fashionable to absolutely gank a lowly mining rig...in Hi Sec areas and then scream at you for not paying for a mining contract? I mean seriously, is this the new "friendly" EVE way of playing? Getting prison gang raped by morons until you either join their prison gang or pay a stupid contract fee and still get blasted by these Heathens? What the hell are you supposed to do to make money? Is AFK mining in HI SEC a relic of the past? I've lost 3 rigs in the last week and I haven't even played that many hours to be honest. Seems like every other time I sign on and try to mine I get podded....I'm starting to think I made a big mistake coming back. Time to look for new game I suppose? You were not told about the ganking mini-game apparently. CCP was a little short in resources so they asked the players for help. It was the best we could come up with. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Sustrai Aditua Irubo Kovu 199	Posted - 2016.05.14 02:18:40 - [55] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Captain Stupid wrote: He could always buy a permit Well I COULD, but I've been told and have seen people get blasted even when they had one.....so I'd rather just not. It would be more uplifting to buy an elephant, park it near your computer, and let him pee on your head every five minutes. If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
etgfrogs Frog Evade 4	Posted - 2016.05.14 02:52:48 - [56] - Quote Mining is the same as its been. Don't mine in 0.5 systems. Don't mine within 5 jumps of jita. If your going to afk mine then fit a damage control unit on a retriever. If your paranoid about gankers, avoid the top and bottom of the list of asteroid belts. The main thing that happened it that it became popular to use destroyers to solo kill miners. There is also the recent thing of mining corporations have looked into removing competition to increase prices which will increase their yield.
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 298	Posted - 2016.05.14 04:15:40 - [57] - Quote Hey Mr. OP - here's a protip: if you fly T1, you didn't actually lose anything! Insurance completely covers your loss - the ore is worthless and so are the modules. Accept it as a fact of life (and a mostly avoidable hazard at that!) While you complain it's gone up I rather feel it's gone down somewhat. Welcome back to EvE
Pix Severus Empty You 4381	Posted - 2016.05.14 04:36:17 - [58] - Quote Terra Universum wrote: Make concord respond faster, because Ops style of gameplay is not really about crappy hi sec isk, it's about the experience of being in an asteroid belt with the beautiful visuals and simply enjoying eve. Just one more nerf, right? Ganking in highsec has been nerfed, repeatedly, for years now, but it will never be enough for some of you. I implore you, find another game, and stop trying to ruin ours. -ì-ä-à -£-à+¦-äGêâ-Ç
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 737	Posted - 2016.05.14 06:05:58 - [59] - Quote Pix Severus wrote: I implore you, find another game, and stop trying to ruin ours. Sounds to me like CCPs newest patch ideology of "wreck their game" is hitting home on yours? Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Aucturis Arbosa Republic University Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2016.05.14 11:47:11 - [60] - Quote RabbitX wrote: Anyone found purchasing a permit will be ganked on site. I will never purchase.....RESISTANCE!

Aucturis Arbosa Republic University Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2016.05.14 12:01:03 - [61] - Quote lollerwaffle wrote: Aucturis Arbosa wrote: What I'm thinking about is taking my Typhoon out to where I got ganked....cloak and wait for those 2 a-holes to show back up in their frigates.... Because a BS with a cloak fitted will be able to uncloak, lock, and kill those frigates before the retriever gets popped? Right If I get at least one....that will make me feel a tad better.
Aucturis Arbosa Republic University Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2016.05.14 12:07:29 - [62] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Aucturis Arbosa wrote: For the main reason ISK...because I want to buy stuff! But I've got my skills up to pilot an ORCA, so that's my main goal for now is to purchase and insure one of those bad boys... Why? I am not telling you how to play the game, but an Orca is a mining support ship/mini-freighter. Unless you have many accounts it is useless for mining, and only marginally useful for hauling things. If you want to fly an Orca you should at least find a group of other players, if not join a corp that you can use the Orca together to improve your mining yield. I was thinking not really mining, but hauling stuff.....lots of stuff to sell. Just another way to make money I suppose? Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Working on my carrier skills now. That's my next goal. I guess after all that I'll try to join a corp. Its a cool open sandbox game and I know there are other players out there, but sometimes I'd rather just fly SOLO (pun intended). You can always fly solo, even in most corps. Just find a more laid back one that doesn't mind you doing you own thing much of the time but yet you will have some support and help accomplishing your goals. There is no reason to avoid joining a corp until you reach some arbitrary milestone. You will not be able to routinely fly a carrier by yourself. At a minimum you will need multiple accounts, but in reality you will want a group to belong to to help protect and make use of that ship. Both your goals really require you to look towards finding a corp that will fit with your playstyle. Make that a priority because if you are just avoiding it because you don't feel ready, I am telling you that you will never feel ready. The most efficient way to learn the game is to join a (good) group an benefit from their knowledge and direct support. The worst that can happen is the corp sucks and you quit. You will be no worse off than you are today. Just like the idea of a carrier. I've played lots of naval games over the years, not to mention actually being on two of them in the real world. Thanks for all your input. I know I'm not the most stellar of players (according to some of these posts comments), but I appreciate the patience.
Aucturis Arbosa Republic University Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2016.05.14 12:10:19 - [63] - Quote Terra Universum wrote: People of the forums... Realize that a lot of people play Eve for other reasons than the actual game play. Do you think people mine in high sec because the isk is good? Please... They mine there because mining is a very relaxing actvivity and just chilling in space with the great visuals of the mining lasers. Like someone once said, mining is the BEST screen saver ever. You have OP here, just wants to mine and relax and just CHILL. Make concord respond faster, because Ops style of gameplay is not really about crappy hi sec isk, it's about the experience of being in an asteroid belt with the beautiful visuals and simply enjoying eve. EDIT: Remember the days when you could hide the UI and just mine? Yeah, you cant do that anymore. There are plenty of activities that require attention and detail, mining isn't one of them. Let it remain what is always was... Relaxing... Chill.... Someone who gets it! Thank you! Just wanting to chill out and play it safe...for now. BUT it is a HARSH universe.
Aucturis Arbosa Republic University Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2016.05.14 12:12:19 - [64] - Quote Shiloh Templeton wrote: OP: Suggestions #1: All you have to do is use a tanked Procurer or Skiff when you are going to AFK mine as mentioned above. Semi-AFK is the only way I ever mined and I was never ganked. I use to casually mine with my Procurer in an Ice belt while Code was ganking a retriever. One time in an ore belt I came back to find two catalysts wrecks laying beside my Procurer. The only time I ran for safety is when Loyalanon came by with his 10 man crew - it was impressive to witness the skill & precision they operated with. Suggestion #2: Embrace the idea that ganking is actually good for the Eve eco-system. The cat and mouse makes game play much more interesting & exploding ships helps create the demand that industrialists supply (you included with the ore price). P.S. I loved mining with a Orca support. The leadership skills are maybe not worth it, but I later moved the character into a strategic cruiser booster and then a command ship - so it's not necessarily wasted training time. Plus an Orca is very useful for relocating or hauling. P.P.S. Look into mining missions if you really want to maximize AFK. Thanks for the advice!
Aucturis Arbosa Republic University Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2016.05.14 12:13:51 - [65] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Aucturis Arbosa wrote: So I've been away from the game for over a year. Just got back into it and I've been TRYING to mine to build up some money. Unfortunately I've discovered the new "Hotness" in EVE....Asteroid Squatting. When did it become fashionable to absolutely gank a lowly mining rig...in Hi Sec areas and then scream at you for not paying for a mining contract? I mean seriously, is this the new "friendly" EVE way of playing? Getting prison gang raped by morons until you either join their prison gang or pay a stupid contract fee and still get blasted by these Heathens? What the hell are you supposed to do to make money? Is AFK mining in HI SEC a relic of the past? I've lost 3 rigs in the last week and I haven't even played that many hours to be honest. Seems like every other time I sign on and try to mine I get podded....I'm starting to think I made a big mistake coming back. Time to look for new game I suppose? You were not told about the ganking mini-game apparently. CCP was a little short in resources so they asked the players for help. It was the best we could come up with. Sad face....
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1199	Posted - 2016.05.14 12:37:04 - [66] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: RabbitX wrote: Anyone found purchasing a permit will be ganked on site. I will never purchase.....RESISTANCE! That's what she said! Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Davian Thule Pirkibo Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore 38	Posted - 2016.05.14 13:11:29 - [67] - Quote Just lol, I can't honestly tell if this is a troll post or not, anyway op fly a procurer and you very rarely will have to worry about getting ganked, I speak as a former -10 sec status ganker .
Ka Plaa Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning 234	Posted - 2016.05.14 15:11:02 - [68] - Quote Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote: Just lol, I can't honestly tell if this is a troll post or not... Me niether - but it's entertaining either way...so...+1 :D "The Crowd Is Untruth" - Kierkegaard
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1583	Posted - 2016.05.14 15:22:47 - [69] - Quote Go with the Procurer and train into a Skiff and use the fits I put in earlier and you will be golden. Then you can enjoy chilling out in the belts while gankers moan in frustration at their inability to up their game, even better you can send out shield rep drones ecm drones to annoy the hell out of them saving other miners. And if you really want to get stuck into frustrating them join the Anti-Ganking channel and speak to like minded people. But I will warn you, they will tell you that the Retreiver fit you had was bad, very bad. Take this loss and the advice given as a learning exercise and up your game, I for one wish you well, if you need any advice or help just drop me a line. Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically no longer a themepark for gankers now that CCP have rebalanced key areas. Well done CCP
Yoshitaka Moromuo Distant Light Galactic 25	Posted - 2016.05.14 18:15:01 - [70] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Go with the Procurer and train into a Skiff and use the fits I put in earlier and you will be golden. Then you can enjoy chilling out in the belts while gankers moan in frustration at their inability to up their game, even better you can send out shield rep drones ecm drones to annoy the hell out of them saving other miners. And if you really want to get stuck into frustrating them join the Anti-Ganking channel and speak to like minded people. But I will warn you, they will tell you that the Retreiver fit you had was bad, very bad. Take this loss and the advice given as a learning exercise and up your game, I for one wish you well, if you need any advice or help just drop me a line. To build from this a slight bit: If you must fit yield (Retriever/Covetor or Hulk), absolutely mark known gankers as a low-standing contact and pre-align to your station. When gankers or suspicious unknowns join Local, hit Dock and get safe. Procurers are the greatest if you're mining by yourself and are just taking it easy. They have the ability to fit a tank that nearly equates them to a strategic cruiser or slightly higher, and will still get decent - if not the best - yield. A good Procurer fit can be transferred to a Skiff, and even expanded slightly further. If you're going out for small amounts, the expedition frigates (Prospect and Endurance) are a solid bet. Both can be tanked fairly well, have respectable per-cycle yield, and as they are frigates, they can get to safety quicker than a barge. The Prospect can even fit a covert-ops cloak, allowing you to get in and out completely under cloak. The ore holds are also comparable to Procurers and Skiffs, with the Prospect reaching 10,000 cubic meters, and the Endurance (as it was designed for ice harvesting) holding 15,000.

Nadja Hawk Mayhem Minions 13	Posted - 2016.05.14 18:22:24 - [71] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: So I've been away from the game for over a year. Just got back into it and I've been TRYING to mine to build up some money. Unfortunately I've discovered the new "Hotness" in EVE....Asteroid Squatting. When did it become fashionable to absolutely gank a lowly mining rig...in Hi Sec areas and then scream at you for not paying for a mining contract? I mean seriously, is this the new "friendly" EVE way of playing? Getting prison gang raped by morons until you either join their prison gang or pay a stupid contract fee and still get blasted by these Heathens? What the hell are you supposed to do to make money? Is AFK mining in HI SEC a relic of the past? I've lost 3 rigs in the last week and I haven't even played that many hours to be honest. Seems like every other time I sign on and try to mine I get podded....I'm starting to think I made a big mistake coming back. Time to look for new game I suppose? this started well over a year ago
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14106	Posted - 2016.05.15 00:23:15 - [72] - Quote This thread is a perfect contrast between players related by profession. High sec miner experiences other players, comes to forum, whines. Null Sec mining Corp (look at my corp name) has same experience....but way different outcome. Conclusion = High sec is {insert deadly disease here}.
Aucturis Arbosa Republic University Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2016.05.15 00:24:07 - [73] - Quote Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote: Just lol, I can't honestly tell if this is a troll post or not, anyway op fly a procurer and you very rarely will have to worry about getting ganked, I speak as a former -10 sec status ganker . Nope...this is a real post. I'm that bad. But point taken on the Procurer. I will be working on that ASAP.
Aucturis Arbosa Republic University Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2016.05.15 00:26:10 - [74] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: This thread is a perfect contrast between players related by profession. High sec miner experiences other players, comes to forum, whines. Null Sec mining Corp (look at my corp name) has same experience....but way different outcome. Conclusion = High sec is {insert deadly disease here}. LOL....Nice
Aucturis Arbosa Republic University Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2016.05.15 00:27:06 - [75] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Go with the Procurer and train into a Skiff and use the fits I put in earlier and you will be golden. Then you can enjoy chilling out in the belts while gankers moan in frustration at their inability to up their game, even better you can send out shield rep drones ecm drones to annoy the hell out of them saving other miners. And if you really want to get stuck into frustrating them join the Anti-Ganking channel and speak to like minded people. But I will warn you, they will tell you that the Retreiver fit you had was bad, very bad. Take this loss and the advice given as a learning exercise and up your game, I for one wish you well, if you need any advice or help just drop me a line. Roger Wilco...Thanks for the advice. I didn't even realize about the shield drones and ecm saving others...that's rich.
Gobblock Void Protectorate Federal United Battalion of Armed Renegades 0	Posted - 2016.05.15 01:15:27 - [76] - Quote You could find a quieter system to mine in also that CODE doesn't visit as often (they are out there). Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Captain Stupid wrote: He could always buy a permit Well I COULD, but I've been told and have seen people get blasted even when they had one.....so I'd rather just not.
Erin Oswell Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance 35	Posted - 2016.05.15 01:22:39 - [77] - Quote Also if you want to stay in HS mining, try going to quieter dead end systems to mine. Ideally in 0.7-0.5 systems you will find better minerals to mine there and you might not be bothered so much. Also look for omber sites under anomalies via your scanner along the way, you will likely need specific lasers to mine these materials though but they'll be a bit more valuable and again, something lazy miners and gankers might not bother checking on if they have anoms unchecked. Personally I never had that problem with gankers in belts, but then I haven't mined since I was a newbro, namely because it's incredibly dull. Rules of Acquisition #13: "Anything worth doing is worth doing for money"
Scruffled Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2016.05.15 01:30:59 - [78] - Quote This thread was a wildly entertaining work read.
Vol Arm'OOO Central Co-Prosperity Union 811	Posted - 2016.05.15 02:34:14 - [79] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Yang Aurilen wrote: Let's see: - AFK Mining in a retrieve- - Not docking up while afk - Fitting your retriever like that(poor thing was begging for a quick death) - Not using dscan to gtfo when those cats start showing up You deserved what you got. That's like saying "I'm gonna afk in Street Fighter without pausing the game" and then coming back to see your Ryu KO'd and wondering why the game is bad. Hey Mr. "I'm better then you" I'm not looking for Trolls....I'm looking for solutions. Sorry I can't spend the 20+hrs a week like you to figure this game out. Solutions or shut the Hell up People gank miners because it is fun. In particular, its fun ganking folk that dont want to be ganked. Its part of playing in an open world pvp game. Its easy not to be ganked while mining. 1) fly a procurer or a skiff. 2) tank your ship. 3) fly in an out of the way system. Ganking is a relatively rare event. While it does happen, it is possible to go your entire eve career without being ganked. Hell, in the entire time i have been playing eve (5 or 6 years now i think), I have only been ganked once - a tempest and a frig jumped hulk in a .6 system, but because I always tank - the tempest killed it self - I came back from the bathroom to find that I had two very funny lol mails. I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Sustrai Aditua Irubo Kovu 203	Posted - 2016.05.15 03:28:04 - [80] - Quote Milan Nantucket wrote: Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Mark O'Helm wrote: -don't mine afk -set Code. to red contacts - fly a procurer Sometimes I GOT to do my laundry....perfect time for AFK mining.... So how in the Hell do I set Code? Don't even know what that means honestly. I was using a Retriever for Hi Sec and the lowly Venture for Hi Sec....since that seems to be more profitable for less ore...and time in the "Hot Zone" 1) First read about the Law Of Highsec from here: http://www.lawofhighsec.com/the-law 2) Then find yourself a code agent and purchasing a Mining Permit and follow his or her instructions for display it because Permit Tank is best tank. 3) Follow the Law Of Highsec for example dock up when you GOT to do your laundry. 4) Read http://www.minerbumping.com/ and don't be a goofus. Oh, wait...I found it.... MY MINING PERMIT!! (right click "open link in new tab" - the forum treats links strangely these days) If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.

Aaron Honk Distributed Denial of Service 112	Posted - 2016.05.15 05:46:44 - [81] - Quote How to get a mining permit : 1/ Find someone who bought one 2/ Copy his bio into your bio 3/ ??? 4/ Profit
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1349	Posted - 2016.05.15 05:50:17 - [82] - Quote CODE guy starts RP thread using throwaway "lolmining" toon. Everybody has advice. Again. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY 275	Posted - 2016.05.15 08:13:32 - [83] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Sustrai Aditua wrote: Don't let the tough boy responses fool you. Ganking miners as a sole activity for the unimaginative, and low achievers has become a mainstay - and I daresay, the most active activity in EVE now. I suggest miners stop mining. Let the shelves run out of goods. No. Wait. The "large alliances" with a lock on thing$ will just keep mining and funding (it's CODE for...meh, who cares?) Become a miner ganker yourself perhaps? It may be more challenging to watch them unload produce at the local Publix. What I'm thinking about is taking my Typhoon out to where I got ganked....cloak and wait for those 2 a-holes to show back up in their frigates.... Dont take your typhoon out. Thats stupid. a) decloaking has a targetting penalty. By the time you lock on to them, they will have already finished the gank. b) They already expect to lose the ships. You are literally doing nothing. c) typhoons are stupid choices for ganking frigs. Best go with a tornado, cheaper, and much better. Bad ideas all around.
Fal Dara Rapid Withdrawal 129	Posted - 2016.05.15 08:17:25 - [84] - Quote to the OP I am sure there has been plenty of advice to help you already, with fits, and choosing a tankier ship. Do those if you please. They work. Other options, 'out of the box' ... lvl 1 combat missions. Do them, several of them have HUGE amounts of ore in them, some of them even have nulsec ores. Find these missions, do them, mine them--chances are, most gankers are going to be too lazy to probe you out and find you in HS. If they do, the mission area gives you some protection/time to escape. Train to use a Prospect (t2 mining frig). Fit for mining, and using a small shield booster/AB, it can mine in low sec. Find some relatively empty low sec, and mine there. Learn your d-scan tool, and keep an eye on local. I can mine for an hour in one of these even in heavily trafficked areas of low sec. The Prospect, with the right mining lasers, mines as much as a retriever. Seriously. The prospect can tank low sec rats just fine, with a small shield booster, and an active afterburner while it orbits. You could even use a prospect to mine in high sec, and use some high speed orbiting to discourage ganks (they cant really hit ya too well, when you're moving 4kms). This likley wont be the best option. There. some different ideas.
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY 275	Posted - 2016.05.15 08:19:32 - [85] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Black Pedro wrote: [quote=Aucturis Arbosa]More lucrative professions with low bars to entry include exploration, PI (although I would look to lowsec) which is pretty passive once you get it set up, or even wormhole gas mining. Gas miners are dirt cheap (although the skill book is not) and while you will get close to 100M ISK/hour if you can ninja high end sites, your overall income will be lower given the time overhead of scanning down wormhole chains. You never said why you want to make ISK but if it for PvP you might just want to just jump into Faction Warfare. The plexes and eventually missions pay very well. Similarly if you have the skills sleeper combat sites in the low class wormholes you can easily access from highsec are lucrative and relatively quick and safe. For the main reason ISK...because I want to buy stuff! But I've got my skills up to pilot an ORCA, so that's my main goal for now is to purchase and insure one of those bad boys...Working on my carrier skills now. That's my next goal. I guess after all that I'll try to join a corp. Its a cool open sandbox game and I know there are other players out there, but sometimes I'd rather just fly SOLO (pun intended). You cant use carriers in hisec, and you need a good low/nullsec corp to utilize your carrier well. Orcas are also a waste of time since you will most likely be using them in hisec, which means youve got a conflict of interest in terms of what you want to do. Neither of your dreams work as a solo player. My suggestion is to first find a decent corp, and THEN think about what you want to do.
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY 275	Posted - 2016.05.15 08:22:53 - [86] - Quote Gurista Nerfed wrote: Everybody ganks, or tries to. Everybody wardec griefs. Everybody talks ** in local. The game is out of control. About the permit thing, that's just a silly thing that you can safely tell them to stuff where the sun don't shine. Ganking has always existed. Wardecs have always existed. People have always talked ** in local. This is how the game is intended to work, and its all under control. Sounds like youre angry about being ganked.
000Hunter000 Missiles 'R' Us 61	Posted - 2016.05.15 10:04:44 - [87] - Quote Please note these 5 simple steps while attempting to mine: 1. Don't mine afk 2. keep alert (aka don't mine afk) 3. align with the nearest station (aka don't mine afk) 4. ??? (aka don't mine afk) 5. Profit (chance of u have done the first 4 steps and didn't mine afk) Oh, and don't pay for a permit, cuz thats just silly
Kiddoomer Deep Space Exploitation Federal United Battalion of Armed Renegades 114	Posted - 2016.05.15 11:24:49 - [88] - Quote Doesn't seem to really want advices, poorly mined afk and doesnt want to stop it, 5 pages already ... Yup, that's it. We're recruiting !
Morgan Agrivar Peace.Keepers 324	Posted - 2016.05.15 23:24:27 - [89] - Quote I don't know. If I was mining, I would dream of some gankers coming to release me from my hellish nightmare. I bought the mining permit to support CODE and what they do for highsec. They need to make mining more engaging to prevent 'afkism', which is a debilitating disease of your mouse and keyboard. This would cure me of the fear...
Dr GotYourDaisy State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.05.16 00:12:17 - [90] - Quote They may not have the guns to fight back, but they fuel the production lines.... You're telling me that they are not capable of coming together and raising the prices of the ships being used against them to make it non-profitable for the gankers? "But we are a small corp, no sp's, no fighting skills etc etc", so what? Are you not capable of trying to network out to larger corps and making alliances? Sounds more like this new breed of miner's would like everything handed to them. instead of facing their tribulations of initiation into this world we all call Eve. Quit being small minded, and think BIG. "But But Dr. that's not how I want to play the game", "I want to play the game this way". GO AHEAD, but remember no one promised you that if you play the game your way you'll become a great success. Success comes from adapting, evolving, and finding a way to fill a niche so quite being a _____.

Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 258	Posted - 2016.05.16 03:14:04 - [91] - Quote Sorry, you don't need a Skiff. A Procurer is just fine if fitted properly. Concord will pop anything short of a hyped up cruiser before it can kill you even in .5 space. For a ship powerful enough to down you before the Corcord time limit, your cargo would have to be excessively valuable, and that is NEVER going to happen in HiSec unless you make a significant mistake. You can even fly a Retriever if you have escort. The danger in HiSec is a bit overstated unless you spend a lot of time AFK. If you are AFK in anything less than a Procurer, you get what you deserve. CODE is CODE. It's a PVE organization because they mine industrials not asteroids. Pay them or not it's up to you however the rumor mill has it that they don't always hold to their own permits so, take it all with a grain of salt. Your best defense is a solid corporation behind you. It wouldn't matter who tried to pick on you, if it's solid, Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
lollerwaffle Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture 297	Posted - 2016.05.16 07:52:51 - [92] - Quote Terra Universum wrote: People of the forums... Realize that a lot of people play Eve for other reasons than the actual game play. Do you think people mine in high sec because the isk is good? Please... They mine there because mining is a very relaxing actvivity and just chilling in space with the great visuals of the mining lasers. Like someone once said, mining is the BEST screen saver ever. You have OP here, just wants to mine and relax and just CHILL. Make concord respond faster, because Ops style of gameplay is not really about crappy hi sec isk, it's about the experience of being in an asteroid belt with the beautiful visuals and simply enjoying eve. EDIT: Remember the days when you could hide the UI and just mine? Yeah, you cant do that anymore. There are plenty of activities that require attention and detail, mining isn't one of them. Let it remain what is always was... Relaxing... Chill.... lol wat Want to do a relaxing activity? Do something that is repetitive and doesn't require you to put your assets in potential harm's way (i.e. undocking). And CONCORD does respond faster, just in higher sec systems.
lollerwaffle Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture 297	Posted - 2016.05.16 07:55:55 - [93] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: lollerwaffle wrote: Aucturis Arbosa wrote: What I'm thinking about is taking my Typhoon out to where I got ganked....cloak and wait for those 2 a-holes to show back up in their frigates.... Because a BS with a cloak fitted will be able to uncloak, lock, and kill those frigates before the retriever gets popped? Right If I get at least one....that will make me feel a tad better. PROTIP: Check out BS lock times vs frigs. Check targeting delay on cloaks. Rather than come here and whine, maybe learn some basic game mechanics? It'd help you in the long run.
Julien Brellier Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 130	Posted - 2016.05.16 09:55:01 - [94] - Quote Fly a Procurer or Skiff tanked for kin/therm. Troll CODE in local. Profit.
Erebus Vain State War Academy Caldari State 4	Posted - 2016.05.16 10:04:36 - [95] - Quote Aaron Honk wrote: How to get a mining permit : 1/ Find someone who bought one 2/ Copy his bio into your bio 3/ ??? 4/ Profit You Sir, are many smarts :P
Gurista Nerfed Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2016.05.16 10:41:17 - [96] - Quote I will steal your cans in space if you have a "permit" .. Just an fyi.
Cranial Rectidus ElevenBravo 0	Posted - 2016.05.16 11:02:07 - [97] - Quote The hi-sec gankers are the bottom of the barrel. These are the kids with BB guns bc they aren't good enough yet to use a real rifle. In other words, suicide killing a mining ship is their form of PvP bc they can't do any better against something that can kill them. AFK mining however is just asking for it. If you are going to AFK mine, might as well have a cheap rig and dump those implants in dock before you go out. Personally if I AFK mine, it's in a Venture that I can build a dime a dozen. I check on it every 10-20mins for an unload and if it is busted when I get back or I'm sitting in a station, I only lost stuff I can build for cheap and low mats. No sense losing 30-220mil every time you get ganked while AFK. Try a Venture with a MWD, sensor boost and orbit an asteroid at 2400 m/s AFK. I bet Concord gets there before you pop.... unless the ganker is smart.
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 259	Posted - 2016.05.16 21:01:01 - [98] - Quote Cranial Rectidus wrote: The hi-sec gankers are the bottom of the barrel. These are the kids with BB guns bc they aren't good enough yet to use a real rifle. In other words, suicide killing a mining ship is their form of PvP bc they can't do any better against something that can kill them. AFK mining however is just asking for it. If you are going to AFK mine, might as well have a cheap rig and dump those implants in dock before you go out. Personally if I AFK mine, it's in a Venture that I can build a dime a dozen. I check on it every 10-20mins for an unload and if it is busted when I get back or I'm sitting in a station, I only lost stuff I can build for cheap and low mats. No sense losing 30-220mil every time you get ganked while AFK. Try a Venture with a MWD, sensor boost and orbit an asteroid at 2400 m/s AFK. I bet Concord gets there before you pop.... unless the ganker is smart. I agree with you HS ganker description, at least in spirit. Your logic though is a bit... skewed. If you can survive in a Venture mining until Concord arrives, a Procurer at 30 Mil will survive even better and you'd never lose it... ever. I love Venture's but they are not AFK HiSec miners. They are frigates that need a pilot present at all times. I've lost one in under 8 seconds, fully tanked out (to Sleepers mind you but the DPS is about the same as a competent ganker). Now, what is true is that Ventures are only sardine bait for a killboard buff. They have nothing much worth taking down so suicide ganking them is mostly worthless to anyone looking for ISK. One full of gas mining efforts might be profitable but that's not really HiSec mining. So they aren't really targets, but then again, neither are Procurers, tough to kill and about 3 mill ISK TOPS in a full cargo hold in HiSec. Covetors are easier to kill with larger cargo holds but still tough enough to take down in time without at least a nasty build Catalyst. Mackinaws are worse. No, Procurer is best for AFK HiSec mining, cheaper than a skiff, easier to skill into, and pretty much gank proof, at least I've not seen anyone want to work so hard for so little... Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Ka Plaa Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning 243	Posted - 2016.05.16 21:25:48 - [99] - Quote Cranial Rectidus wrote: The hi-sec gankers are the bottom of the barrel. These are the kids with BB guns bc they aren't good enough yet to use a real rifle. In other words, suicide killing a mining ship is their form of PvP bc they can't do any better against something that can kill them. What about the many players that don't just hisec gank but do other things in EvE as well? Kinda causes problems with your generalization. "The Crowd Is Untruth" - Kierkegaard
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 302	Posted - 2016.05.16 21:41:27 - [100] - Quote You'd have a point if it wasn't for the gankers crying all over the forums all the time. Not to mention ZKill doesn't show any of these "other activities" you claim. Cranial's statement lacks subtlety but that doesn't make it false by definition.

Cait Nathair Ciggy Butt Brains. ChaosTheory. 14	Posted - 2016.05.17 00:09:32 - [101] - Quote 1. Find a corp that caters to interests in the sandbox 2. Learn how to protect yourself in the sandbox a. Learn how to D-Scan b. Don't use mining drones, carry combat drones and keep them deployed while mining c. Fit a proper tank to your ship 3. Learn about CODE instead of QQing in the forums 4. Learn how to set CODE to red (maybe ask how to find them and set them in your contacts list?) 5. Get the **** out of highsec 6. ??? 7. Profit If you need help with any of this, please feel free to contact me in-game and I'll do my best to help you out.
Andrey Horvat Dynamic Solutions Incorporated Phoebe Freeport Republic 5	Posted - 2016.05.17 10:42:44 - [102] - Quote You should not be AFK mining under any circumstance, ever ever ever. Simple as that. You can be paying less attention, sure. Like while you're mining talking in TS, reading something. But be at your PC and have your hand ready for response. If you do not take precautions such as aligning to an escape route, mining with a procurer and good fit aswell as if you actually AFK mine you deserve to be suicide ganked. EVE players belive that they are entitled 100% bulletproof safety in hi-sec and so that they can AFK mine whenever they see fit. This is not the case, this will not be the case. I am a miner, I use a Procurer. I D-Scan, I don't go AFK, I align to an escape route and I have a tank fit. And finally add CODE as Orange/Red contact, as soon as they enter your belt. Warp out immediatelly.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2877	Posted - 2016.05.17 10:47:27 - [103] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Yang Aurilen wrote: Let's see: - AFK Mining in a retrieve- - Not docking up while afk - Fitting your retriever like that(poor thing was begging for a quick death) - Not using dscan to gtfo when those cats start showing up You deserved what you got. That's like saying "I'm gonna afk in Street Fighter without pausing the game" and then coming back to see your Ryu KO'd and wondering why the game is bad. Hey Mr. "I'm better then you" I'm not looking for Trolls....I'm looking for solutions. Sorry I can't spend the 20+hrs a week like you to figure this game out. Solutions or shut the Hell up - DONT AFK - DOCK WHEN AFK - FIT SHIPS PROPERLY - USE DSCAN TO WATCH FOR CATS are they suitable enough solutions for you? thxbye "set code to red" they are -10.0 so they should be flashing red anyway FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations \| lowsec pvp & piracy - Join FETID Loyalist to Angel Cartel & Serpentis
Roenok Baalnorn Sadistically Sinister 4	Posted - 2016.05.17 14:34:46 - [104] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: So I've been away from the game for over a year. Just got back into it and I've been TRYING to mine to build up some money. Unfortunately I've discovered the new "Hotness" in EVE....Asteroid Squatting. When did it become fashionable to absolutely gank a lowly mining rig...in Hi Sec areas and then scream at you for not paying for a mining contract? I mean seriously, is this the new "friendly" EVE way of playing? Getting prison gang raped by morons until you either join their prison gang or pay a stupid contract fee and still get blasted by these Heathens? What the hell are you supposed to do to make money? Is AFK mining in HI SEC a relic of the past? I've lost 3 rigs in the last week and I haven't even played that many hours to be honest. Seems like every other time I sign on and try to mine I get podded....I'm starting to think I made a big mistake coming back. Time to look for new game I suppose? If you do anything in eve AFKing, then you should NEVER complain about dying. If im AFK, im in a safe place where i cant be shot or scanned usually a dock. Second, High sec mining is pointless. Its like working at walmart when you have a law degree. Mining in null sec will not only solve your ganking and extortion problems but you will make far better money.... but dont do it afk. Either play eve or do something else...not both at same time, at least not both at same time and then complain about it on forums.
Ka Plaa Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning 245	Posted - 2016.05.17 14:48:45 - [105] - Quote Brokk Witgenstein wrote: You'd have a point if it wasn't for the gankers crying all over the forums all the time. Just as amusing - if not just a little more because of irony - as gankees crying in local and forums too. However, just because some players do something, one is mistaken when one says "all of X-playstyle players do X". Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Not to mention ZKill doesn't show any of these "other activities" you claim. Rolling a ganking alt is pretty easy. The players for whom ganking might not be their primary activity in EvE use ganking alts rather than their mains in the vast majority of cases. Of course a killboard will not show that... Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Cranial's statement lacks subtlety but that doesn't make it false by definition. All generalisations are wrong. ;) "The Crowd Is Untruth" - Kierkegaard
Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7699	Posted - 2016.05.17 14:55:06 - [106] - Quote Just fly a tanked procurer, tell others around you to fly a tanked procurer, then completely ignore anyone talking about code or the new order in local. They feed off of people reacting, so if you just don't react at all, they get all mad. Even if they bump, just set yourself to orbit something so your ship looks like it's trying to get back then go grab some lunch or something, by the time you get back the bumper has usually got bored of your lack of response. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 263	Posted - 2016.05.17 15:03:13 - [107] - Quote Ka Plaa wrote: All generalisations are wrong. ;) Sorry, LOL'd at this. If it's serious the irony is killing me. If it's humor, it's perfect. Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Rogwar Toralen EVE University Ivy League 19	Posted - 2016.05.17 15:54:23 - [108] - Quote Join Eve University and learn good safety practices for mining. Then you can teach others. There is no safe place to mine in this game.
Payne Dakara New Divide 14	Posted - 2016.05.17 17:27:13 - [109] - Quote 3 step Guide for dummies how to mine AFK in high sec: 1. Stay in NPC corp with your mining alt if you can that will protect you from wardec's 2. Find a quiet system 0.8-0.7 3. Use insured procurer with proper tank fit example: [Procurer, PROC] Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender Modulated Strip Miner II, Scordite Mining Crystal II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Mobile tractor unit That fit will survive 20s against 5 destroyers and even if there are enough gankers 6-7 they will think twice before jumping on you because every time they try to gank you they spend more ISK than you do and with MTU on filed you collect loot form their ships which is pure profit better than mining. With this fit you can even go and make fun of CODE in Uedama making them made enough so that you make money without even mining.
Bing Bangboom DAMAG Safety Commission 474	Posted - 2016.05.17 19:18:54 - [110] - Quote Payne Dakara wrote: 3 step Guide for dummies how to mine AFK in high sec: 1. Stay in NPC corp with your mining alt if you can that will protect you from wardec's 2. Find a quiet system 0.8-0.7 3. Use insured procurer with proper tank fit example: [Procurer, PROC] Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender Modulated Strip Miner II, Scordite Mining Crystal II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Mobile tractor unit That fit will survive 20s against 5 destroyers and even if there are enough gankers 6-7 they will think twice before jumping on you because every time they try to gank you they spend more ISK than you do and with MTU on filed you collect loot form their ships which is pure profit better than mining. With this fit you can even go and make fun of CODE in Uedama making them made enough so that you make money without even mining. This is great advice if your goal is to make your Eve career a short and miserable one. Lets break it down: 1) Don't join an actual player group. Stay in the NPC corp with all the bots and multi-tanking idiots asking how to finish a mining mission. Don't set yourself on a path that might lead to what the game is intended for... you know, interaction with other players. 2) Stay in the systems where literally nothing important ever happens. The ones where no one ever speaks in local, nobody ever has epic pvp, where no one with any ability at all would be caught dead. 3) Select the least productive mining ship possible and then, nerf the crap out of the productivity some more. This will insure that you will need to survive as long as possible because you sure aren't going to be getting much profit/hour. Yeah, you'll be safe. Killing you would be merciful and we don't mind if you suffer at your own hands. Then you can go to Uedama and mock the CODE. Agents by posting your fit during the pauses between them linking their freighter kills. You can laugh and laugh and laugh.... Highsec is worth fighting for. By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com

Cranial Rectidus ElevenBravo 5	Posted - 2016.05.17 20:29:30 - [111] - Quote Ka Plaa wrote: Cranial Rectidus wrote: The hi-sec gankers are the bottom of the barrel. These are the kids with BB guns bc they aren't good enough yet to use a real rifle. In other words, suicide killing a mining ship is their form of PvP bc they can't do any better against something that can kill them. What about the many players that don't just hisec gank but do other things in EvE as well? Kinda causes problems with your generalization. When generalizing it usually always offends someone who doesn't quite fit into it or has to do with one part of it. No avoiding hitting people you don't want to when you fire a shotgun in a crowd with the intention of hitting one specific person. For the most part I think we all know where I am going with my statement on the gankers in hi-sec. No sense explaining in detail or debating it. We know who I am referring to.... those regulars in hi-sec that constantly post up their mining barge kill reports as bragging rights and advertisement even though they suicide ganked to get it. Obviously these are the people with no real claim to PvPness other than the lowest form of killing other players. I mean... killing an AFK or active player in a mining barge that really can't do anything but run... and having to suicide to kill pos target in the first place? Makes me laugh.... these are the types who get scared off by my battle-ibis =).
Spine Ripper New Order Logistics CODE. 37	Posted - 2016.05.17 21:13:10 - [112] - Quote Cranial Rectidus wrote: Ka Plaa wrote: Cranial Rectidus wrote: The hi-sec gankers are the bottom of the barrel. These are the kids with BB guns bc they aren't good enough yet to use a real rifle. In other words, suicide killing a mining ship is their form of PvP bc they can't do any better against something that can kill them. What about the many players that don't just hisec gank but do other things in EvE as well? Kinda causes problems with your generalization. When generalizing it usually always offends someone who doesn't quite fit into it or has to do with one part of it. No avoiding hitting people you don't want to when you fire a shotgun in a crowd with the intention of hitting one specific person. For the most part I think we all know where I am going with my statement on the gankers in hi-sec. No sense explaining in detail or debating it. We know who I am referring to.... those regulars in hi-sec that constantly post up their mining barge kill reports as bragging rights and advertisement even though they suicide ganked to get it. Obviously these are the people with no real claim to PvPness other than the lowest form of killing other players. I mean... killing an AFK or active player in a mining barge that really can't do anything but run... and having to suicide to kill pos target in the first place? Makes me laugh.... these are the types who get scared off by my battle-ibis =). When remarking about a subject it is more convincing when one has some actual experience. 0-6 lifetime doesn't cut it as an expert on the pvp lifestyle. Perhaps your comments are meant to be ironic. In any case, I think everyone understands that a miner is probably unqualified to opine upon the relative leetness of different kinds of pilots who actually have shot someone. Since you know that CODE. post their killmails as a warning to non compliant miners I can only assume you have little understanding of the use of force in enforcing your will upon other entities. I am sure the submarine Captains of WWI and WWII would be quite humiliated by your disdain for warriors who destroyed ships that couldn't shoot back as this was, of course, their primary prey. As I say, you have no understanding of the purpose of ganking, no actual experience at pvp and little cause to belittle superior players because you don't care for or are afraid of them. Forum pvp isn't the same as when I enter your system. Better dock up there. All Highsec miners must follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct or be subject to bumping or ganking.-á No permit, no mining. www.minerbumping.com
aldhura Bartledannians 43	Posted - 2016.05.17 21:48:47 - [113] - Quote Galaxxis wrote: Returns on high-sec mining are already so crappy, I'm not sure why anyone would even bother ganking these miners. It's like beating up a homeless person because they're pan handling. Like eve gankers, there are people who take great joy in doing these kind of things. Bartledannians Corporation is recruiting
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 303	Posted - 2016.05.17 21:59:48 - [114] - Quote Spine Ripper wrote: stuff Dat smacktalk yo. Except Zkill reinforces everything Cranial said. As for mining, there are basically three approaches (in highsec) 1. have enough friends on grid to scare off the gankers. 2. make enough profit and simply ignore it. 3. fit for tank, cutting into your own profits somewhat but without the hassle of getting another ship every once in a while. either one of these works.
Spine Ripper New Order Logistics CODE. 38	Posted - 2016.05.17 22:24:14 - [115] - Quote Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Spine Ripper wrote: stuff Dat smacktalk yo. Except Zkill reinforces everything Cranial said. As for mining, there are basically three approaches (in highsec) 1. have enough friends on grid to scare off the gankers. 2. make enough profit and simply ignore it. 3. fit for tank, cutting into your own profits somewhat but without the hassle of getting another ship every once in a while. either one of these works. Zkill shows that Cranial doesn't know anything about pvp except how to die to it. On the other hand, I would expect you to understand that pvp has a purpose beyond a green killboard. So it is with CODE. We have a reason for killing the miners, we have the ability to kill them and we have the resolve to keep killing them no matter what the game throws at us. Maybe WH pvp is too much F1'ing and they don't tell you why you are shooting people. We fully understand the purpose of our actions. You don't have to like what we do or even accept that what we do has merit. But what you can't deny is that we do what we say we will. Zkill definitely reinforces that. The OP wanted to know why he was getting ganked in highsec. Lots of good answers as to why and how to deal with it. But Cranial and others used it as an opportunity to denigrate gankers. I just pointed out that he was a pathetic carebear and shouldn't be considered as worth listening to. Your advice, to be honeest, failed to save 86 miners and other assorted bot aspirants. Today. So far anyway. The night is young. All Highsec miners must follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct or be subject to bumping or ganking.-á No permit, no mining. www.minerbumping.com
Morgan Agrivar Peace.Keepers 327	Posted - 2016.05.17 22:30:43 - [116] - Quote Payne Dakara wrote: 3 step Guide for dummies how to mine AFK in high sec: 1. Stay in NPC corp with your mining alt if you can that will protect you from wardec's 2. Find a quiet system 0.8-0.7 3. Use insured procurer with proper tank fit example: [Procurer, PROC] Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender Modulated Strip Miner II, Scordite Mining Crystal II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Mobile tractor unit That fit will survive 20s against 5 destroyers and even if there are enough gankers 6-7 they will think twice before jumping on you because every time they try to gank you they spend more ISK than you do and with MTU on filed you collect loot form their ships which is pure profit better than mining. With this fit you can even go and make fun of CODE in Uedama making them made enough so that you make money without even mining. Shhhhh....don't tell them to stay in NPC corp. Then you cannot get wartarget Skiff kills... :) This would cure me of the fear...
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 304	Posted - 2016.05.17 22:34:19 - [117] - Quote Spine Ripper wrote: On the other hand, I would expect you to understand that pvp has a purpose beyond a green killboard. So it is with CODE. We have a reason for killing the miners, we have the ability to kill them and we have the resolve to keep killing them no matter what the game throws at us. We fully understand the purpose of our actions. That sounds reasonable. I've been wondering about what those reasons might be for quite some time though; and thus far "for tears" is all I got. Care to enlighten me?
Shaade Silentpaw Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2016.05.17 23:10:53 - [118] - Quote Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Spine Ripper wrote: On the other hand, I would expect you to understand that pvp has a purpose beyond a green killboard. So it is with CODE. We have a reason for killing the miners, we have the ability to kill them and we have the resolve to keep killing them no matter what the game throws at us. We fully understand the purpose of our actions. That sounds reasonable. I've been wondering about what those reasons might be for quite some time though; and thus far "for tears" is all I got. Care to enlighten me? It's pretty simple. They are either just plain trolls, or they don't have the balls for actual PVP in low/nullsec - so they gank easy, unsuspecting targets in highsec instead to try to compensate for it. Then they come up with silly excuses about how they're trying to counter some non-existent negative influence that miners and 'carebears' are having on the game in an attempt to screen it.
Spine Ripper New Order Logistics CODE. 38	Posted - 2016.05.18 00:11:54 - [119] - Quote Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Spine Ripper wrote: On the other hand, I would expect you to understand that pvp has a purpose beyond a green killboard. So it is with CODE. We have a reason for killing the miners, we have the ability to kill them and we have the resolve to keep killing them no matter what the game throws at us. We fully understand the purpose of our actions. That sounds reasonable. I've been wondering about what those reasons might be for quite some time though; and thus far "for tears" is all I got. Care to enlighten me? Most people just read The Code and the blog posts. For the real in-depth answer you have to go to the Manifestos. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40762 OR, highly recommended... you can listen to James explaining about the New Order and highsec. https://soundcloud.com/rob-thompson-270292003/griefing-harassment-bullying-and-the-new-order The rest of the background documentation is at www.minerbumping.com in the LINKS. All Highsec miners must follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct or be subject to bumping or ganking.-á No permit, no mining. www.minerbumping.com
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 304	Posted - 2016.05.18 02:58:57 - [120] - Quote Thanks for posting those links. I'll never ask The Question again, although I'll be honest with you: I couldn't finish reading it. Really needs a bulletpointed summary. I got as far as three pages of sperg, then my attention wandered. What I did read sounded like a load of baloney and excuses so it wasn't exactly the eye-opener I was hoping for. Still, thanks for trying.

Khan Wrenth Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation 591	Posted - 2016.05.18 07:32:34 - [121] - Quote Why does miner ganking need any more explanation than, "it can explode, so I explode it"? Human progress is like, 40% done "just because it can be done". Why do people skydive? Why did the United States fly to the moon and back? Why are Easter Eggs embedded in video games? Why do people climb mountains? Why did someone swim the English Channel? "'Cause I can" It really does not ever need to be more complicated than that. "Why?" "Because I can". There doesn't have to be any malicious intent behind an action. This is a video game provided for our amusement, anything and everything in this game is to that end. Why did I fly a blockade runner a dozen times between Jita and Amarr with no cargo? 'Cause I could. Why did I fly a heron deep into nullsec? 'Cause I could. Why did I load up a bunch of smartbombs and unleash them on customs agents? 'Cause I could. Why did I blow up that miner? 'Cause I could. Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 2509	Posted - 2016.05.18 08:47:49 - [122] - Quote Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Thanks for posting those links. I'll never ask The Question again, although I'll be honest with you: I couldn't finish reading it. Really needs a bulletpointed summary. I got as far as three pages of sperg, then my attention wandered. What I did read sounded like a load of baloney and excuses so it wasn't exactly the eye-opener I was hoping for. Still, thanks for trying. Sigh. The New Order is perhaps one of the most transparent, and well-documented organizations ever appearing in Eve Online. If you want to understand what motivates James 315 and his merry band it's all there. There are lengthy manifestos, shorter forums posts, TMC articles and almost four years of daily blog posts detailing what motivated James 315 to found the New Order, why the New Order continues it campaign in highsec, and detailed description of the methods used. Yet with this bounty of information, still many players fall back on the tired tropes of "bullying" and "not real PvP" to explain the action of this player group instead of spending any effort to understand the virtual universe around them and the players in them. That's fine of course. Players are free to numb their minds by staring at pretty mining lasers all day and not consider what motivates the other players they share New Eden with, but they really then should not come to these forums all indignant and outraged like the OP when they lose to another player in this PvP sandbox game, or with accusations of harassment and bullying. Wallowing in ignorance is not a path to success in both life, and in Eve Online. Ultimately the motivations don't matter though. Play how you want. CCP has built a sandbox and if you choose to ignore the risk of the other players and repeated lose your stuff, or pigeonhole yourself into terribly efficient gameplay in some shortsighted attempt at defense so that you get left behind both economically and in terms of fun, don't be surprised if you fail non-stop, both daily and continually. Of course, I would prefer an enlightened and educated player-base who understands what type of game they are playing, but that isn't a requirement to buy a subscription and undock a ship in this game. CCP has, probably mostly out of pity, offered players the robust safety net of the Skiff and Procurer, which provide near complete protection from gankers but at a significant cost to yield. If you are incapable of figuring out another way to earn resources, you can use them to mine in highsec albeit at a noticeable loss in efficiency, but don't delude yourself into thinking you have somehow beaten the New Order. You may think that is your choice, but piloting that tanked, low-yield ship is really what we forced you to demean yourself to. We don't, as some seem to imagine, wipe tears from our eyes or shake our fists in anger at the sight of them. Actually, we smile every time we see a belt full of Skiffs and Procurers as it is a tangible sign of our progress in controlling highsec and take it a sign we have done a good job. Forcing carebears to accept such cuts to their income in response to the risk we pose is a real sign of our influence over the game play of others. This is why the Code always wins. Either you comply to our will, adjusting your game play to account for the threat we pose and thus acknowledge our claim to highsec, or we get to explode you. It's all good either way, and is exactly the type of game CCP set out design. The New Order is the distilled essence of Eve Online: a player-driven source of risk that generates content and conflict in the most content-starved sector of space. The very future of game depends on the continued existence of content creators like the New Order. Therefore fundamentally, it the love of Eve Online and concern for her future that motivates me to log on each time to enforce the Code, but certainly the pretty explosions and loot drops that happen along the way don't hurt. The great thing is though it doesn't matter if you understand why you were exploded. The New Order is completely open about why it does what it does and I am happy to help someone understand our motivations, but whether you are open-minded Gallant who wants to understand, or a Goofus who cries "bully" or "not real PvP" in their confusion of the universe around them, you are subject to my blasters, and by extension my will, all the same. Why Do They Gank?
Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7702	Posted - 2016.05.18 10:15:14 - [123] - Quote Bing Bangboom wrote: 1) Don't join an actual player group. Stay in the NPC corp with all the bots and multi-tanking idiots asking how to finish a mining mission. Don't set yourself on a path that might lead to what the game is intended for... you know, interaction with other players. The game is a sandbox, it's not intended to drive any playstyle. If someone wants to mine they can. Joining a corp and getting involved in shooting and being shot simply doesn't interest some people, and a miner will be far more productive in an NPC corp. Bing Bangboom wrote: 2) Stay in the systems where literally nothing important ever happens. The ones where no one ever speaks in local, nobody ever has epic pvp, where no one with any ability at all would be caught dead. Like local chat is something to covet? Local chat is garbage, especially in highsec. And they don't want "epic PvP" they want to mine, which they can happily do in a quiet system. Bing Bangboom wrote: 3) Select the least productive mining ship possible and then, nerf the crap out of the productivity some more. This will insure that you will need to survive as long as possible because you sure aren't going to be getting much profit/hour. Yeah, you'll be safe. Killing you would be merciful and we don't mind if you suffer at your own hands. This has some truth to it, max yield full shield tanked procs are good enough to deter most gankers and make more than they cost many times over in the gaps between ganks. Brokk Witgenstein wrote: That sounds reasonable. I've been wondering about what those reasons might be for quite some time though; and thus far "for tears" is all I got. Care to enlighten me? CODE is just the ongoing rant of a guy who got super mad that CCP dared to buff a playstyle he didn't take part in. He just managed to get some sheep on board that spend most of their time desperately seeking validation, which is why they focus on getting a reaction from their targets, and why so many obvious code alts start up forum subjects about code for them to jump into. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7702	Posted - 2016.05.18 10:29:37 - [124] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Actually, we smile every time we see a belt full of Skiffs and Procurers as it is a tangible sign of our progress in controlling highsec and take it a sign we have done a good job. Actually it's generally a sign that a multiboxer is sitting there raking in income while almost completely AFK. I've even rolled out a new multibox fleet recently so they can passively pull in some isk while I play PS4. With SP trading CCP have made that an even more lucrative option as the accounts themselves are effectively free once the miner is fully trained. Black Pedro wrote: This is why the Code always wins. Either you comply to our will, or we adjust our goals so that whatever you are doing becomes our aim. FTFY. Effectively you move goalpost when you don't succeed so you can fake success. Whatever way you look at it though, you're hanging around in ships even cheaper and more disposable than the procurers you claim you are beating. But since you are dedicating your time to them while they continue to play in the style they want to, no matter how you move those goalposts, you're on the losing side. Black Pedro wrote: The New Order is the distilled essence of Eve Online: a player-driven source of risk that generates content and conflict in the most content-starved sector of space. The very future of the game depends on the continued existence of content creators like the New Order. Therefore fundamentally, it the love of Eve Online and concern for her future that motivates me to log on each time to enforce the Code, but certainly the pretty explosions and loot drops that happen along the way don't hurt. The distilled essence of EVE Online is hiding in highsec using only cheap dispoable ships to attack players who for the most part are the newest, least experienced or low skilled players? Stop beign ridiculous. If CODE stopped existing tomorrow the only things we'd notice is less troll posts on he forum and less sperging in local. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Tristan Agion Viziam Amarr Empire 143	Posted - 2016.05.18 14:53:51 - [125] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Someone who gets it! Thank you! Just wanting to chill out and play it safe...for now. BUT it is a HARSH universe. If you want to do high sec mining mainly to chill out (while getting some ISK by the side), then that's easy enough. Just fly mining missions. Basically, you will end up mining in your own dead space pocket, only disturbed by the occasional NPC spawn. It is theoretically possible for people to find you with (d-scan and) combat probing. But it is rather unlikely that typical ganking groups will go this length for a single mining ship. Of course, you will make no ISK from what you mine. But you get the mission payout, typically with the bonus for speed, and LP. At least at level IV this is not much worse than regular mining. Also, you will be grinding standings all the time, and every 16 missions you get a "special" one that can be quite profitable. Note that for higher level mining missions you need to be able to mine ice and gas.
Rogwar Toralen EVE University Ivy League 19	Posted - 2016.05.18 16:10:02 - [126] - Quote Tristan Agion wrote: Aucturis Arbosa wrote: Someone who gets it! Thank you! Just wanting to chill out and play it safe...for now. BUT it is a HARSH universe. If you want to do high sec mining mainly to chill out (while getting some ISK by the side), then that's easy enough. Just fly mining missions. Basically, you will end up mining in your own dead space pocket, only disturbed by the occasional NPC spawn. It is theoretically possible for people to find you with (d-scan and) combat probing. But it is rather unlikely that typical ganking groups will go this length for a single mining ship. Of course, you will make no ISK from what you mine. But you get the mission payout, typically with the bonus for speed, and LP. At least at level IV this is not much worse than regular mining. Also, you will be grinding standings all the time, and every 16 missions you get a "special" one that can be quite profitable. Note that for higher level mining missions you need to be able to mine ice and gas. farm and sell lyavite.
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 267	Posted - 2016.05.18 16:31:12 - [127] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Sigh. The New Order is perhaps one of the most transparent, and well-documented organizations ever appearing in Eve Online. If you want to understand what motivates James 315 and his merry band it's all there. There are lengthy manifestos, shorter forums posts, TMC articles and almost four years of daily blog posts detailing what motivated James 315 to found the New Order, why the New Order continues it campaign in highsec, and detailed description of the methods used. (... snip long winded propaganda piece ...) CODE is just PVE'ers just like the other HiSec occupants with a deeply profound created excuse to mine players and not asteroids. Just as a note... has CODE stopped squawking CODE on their ships now? I used to see it all the time, now I see nothing. They were putting up a ton of Mobile Depots a couple weeks ago, but I guess since they got all shot down as fast as they got put up, we aren't seeing them much any more. For an organization that claims to have totally reshaped HiSec to their liking, I'm just not seeing that trumpeted up and down the HiSec space lanes... maybe they're really humble. Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Lisbeth Riraille Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2016.05.18 17:45:21 - [128] - Quote How to mine like a 'carebear' in Eve: First, bear in mind these 2 rules: Rule 1: Everyone is an ********. Rule 2: It's all tears. Just keep these in mind while playing. Don't live by them, there are loads of nice people playing who'll offer genuineky good-natured advice, help, and even free stuff to you. But keeping them in mind may help your peace of mind if you ever get ganked or scammed. This is in general a rare occurence despite the drama you might see on the forums, especially in the Crime & Punishment forum. Secondly, stay on an NPC corp to start with, and do mining missions. When you get about 30 million ISK in your wallet, you can afford to get a few cheap ventures fitted for hisec mining. Ask in Help channel for a good cheap venture fit, get a few spares. If you are unlucky enough to encounter suicide gankers, ignore them, try to escape, and if you don't, don't let it bother you. Do not talk to them, it just encourages them. Imagine you're in a bar and an angry drunk is bothering you. Go somewhere else, interacting is pointless. Ask in Help for a gamk-resistant hisec Procurer fit, and save up to get one and the skills to fly it. If you have the means and/or the patience, get two identical procurers so if one is destroyed, you can just shrug, log, watch an episode of The Flash and then carry on. I'm no expert, but those who are will tell you that procurers fitted for hisec mining properly are far too much trouble for suicide gankers to bother with. While you're mining in your procurer, stay at the keyboard and check out the corporation recruitment channel and the Neocom corp window to find an industrial/mining corp with a healthy attitude and enough history/members to think about joining. Talk to those corps. Keep your stuff, keep building assets, don't process your ores till you have the skills to make it worthwhile. When you think you've found a good corp, join but bear in mind rule 1 and 2. Tell them. Good corps will appreciate your 'paranoia'. Maintain a sensible wallet, and always have enough stuff that in the very very rare event you've bern scammed by your newfound corp, you can walk away with enough stuff to go back to NPC corp solo mining. Repeat. Eve is pretty cool, if you don't let yourself get too attatched to the idea that you are 'safe', and you can ignore CODE and the other 'angry drunks', who are really not important no matter how much faux-rp stuff they spout in minerbumping sites and here on the forums. And remember rule 1. Fly safe! o7
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 2512	Posted - 2016.05.18 18:20:18 - [129] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: Black Pedro wrote: (... snip long winded propaganda piece ...) CODE is just PVE'ers just like the other HiSec occupants with a deeply profound created excuse to mine players and not asteroids. Sure, what's more likely: that The New Order of Highsec is some elaborate piece of 'propaganda' to cover up, what by everyone's acknowledgement is completely legal gameplay regardless of why we do it, or, that we actually believe that by serving as agents of risk in highsec we are making the game better for everyone? I mean, as I said it doesn't matter what you think - you'll explode all the same - but I always find it strange that there is such resistance to taking our stated motivations at face value. I guess players really embrace that "nowhere is safe" and "trust no one" game play that is promoted and even celebrated by CCP and their natural inclination is to distrust. You do have a low opinion of miners though. Unlike the few instances of code that is all of an asteroid's soul, a mining ship is piloted by a living, breathing player behind the keyboard who has agency to make decisions that will either result in them safely back in station with a load full of ore, or a frozen corpse next to a rapidly expanding ball of gas. That is every much a PvP contest as the nullsec fleet member pressing F1 to blob another group, the highsec merc grinding down another corporation's Citadel, or the solo roamer shooting an entosis laser to capture another group's space. It's all PvP all the way down, unlike the miner who harvests an unthinking, and completely predictable resource. Here a tip to tell the difference: it's a PvP activity if someone comes to the forum at some point to complain how unfair or unbalanced it is that they can actually lose at a video game. To date at least, I have yet to see an asteroid post here about how 'unfair' it is to be harvested day-in and day-out by highsec miners. Maybe that will change when they fully implement the new AI. Why Do They Gank?
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 946	Posted - 2016.05.18 18:37:41 - [130] - Quote "Actually, we smile every time we see a belt full of Skiffs and Procurers as it is a tangible sign of our progress in controlling highsec and take it a sign we have done a good job. Forcing carebears to accept such cuts to their income in response to the risk we pose is a real sign of our influence over the game play of others." Man, you said it Pedro! If you saw the ice fields of old, full of yield-fit mackinaws as far as the eye could see, then you know we HAVE reshaped highsec, we've changed the culture, we've changed the very advice noobs receive from veteran players! Take a look around highsec, if you deny that we've changed it, you either were not there to see the horrors of old highsec or you're in carebear denial. On a side note, have you taken a look at this dude Lucas Kell's posting history? It's a wealth of tears in there! Like seriously, enough tears to keep me entertained for the foreseeable future. Anyway, back on topic. *Highsec is owned by players now.* Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com

Ka Plaa Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning 248	Posted - 2016.05.18 18:42:24 - [131] - Quote Won't somebody think of the asteroids? :( "The Crowd Is Untruth" - Kierkegaard
Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7706	Posted - 2016.05.18 18:59:44 - [132] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Sure, what's more likely: that The New Order of Highsec is some elaborate piece of 'propaganda' to cover up, what by everyone's acknowledgement is completely legal gameplay regardless of why we do it, or, that we actually believe that by serving as agents of risk in highsec we are making the game better for everyone? I think what she was getting at is that you're a carebear that roleplays. You want easy kills and are too scared to go out to do anything riskier, and you roleplay a narrative to give your gameplay more meaning. Nothing wrong with that, this is a sandbox after all, but let's not pretend you're some altruistic heroes of EVE. If you stopped existing nothing would really change. Black Pedro wrote: I mean, as I said it doesn't matter what you think - you'll explode all the same - but I always find it strange that there is such resistance to taking our stated motivations at face value. Generally the resistance comes from the fact that your stated motivations are complete rubbish. James had a tantrum one day because a gameplay style he didn't like got a buff, a buff which still left it as one of the lowest end playstyles. What you want is easy kills which is why alongside ganking miners you campaign for mechanics to change in ways that make it ever easier to gank and throw a fit when CCP balances things out. If you're actual motivation is to improve players and bring more people into the game in the way you like it, you're going about it the wrong way by looking for the easiest targets then tear harvesting. Galaxy Pig wrote: On a side note, have you taken a look at this dude Lucas Kell's posting history? It's a wealth of tears in there! Like seriously, enough tears to keep me entertained for the foreseeable future. Them dank tears. "Everything's tears" an all that. I'm pretty sure that if me having an opinion is tears, then code pilots diving into every thread a miner posts going "abloo bloo bloo, mining too easy, ganking noobs too hard" counts as tears too. Nubs these days. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 2512	Posted - 2016.05.18 19:16:45 - [133] - Quote Galaxy Pig wrote: On a side note, have you taken a look at this dude Lucas Kell's posting history? It's a wealth of tears in there! Like seriously, enough tears to keep me entertained for the foreseeable future. I had enough of him a long time ago and he remains one of the three posters on these forums I have blocked. I guess if you approach his posts with the right frame of mind you could find some entertainment or perhaps even some insight at least into his unique world-view, but I think it best just to continue to ignore him if you are trying to have a productive conversation. Why Do They Gank?
Roenok Baalnorn Sadistically Sinister 8	Posted - 2016.05.18 19:25:37 - [134] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: sigh followed by Loads of BS The reasons high sec mercs and gankers exist( with bulletpoints): * Because stupid people carry a stupid amountsof high value cargo in fairly squishy ships. * Because stupid people afk autopilot, mine, etc * Because carebears hire them to remove other carebears from carebear areas( mercs to remove your competition) * Because carebears hire them to defend against mean carebears and mercs. * Because they like making others emotional. * Because they are sadistic. * For profit. * For Fun. * Because they want to pvp but want to have little to no risks to themselves. * Because they want to pvp but arent good at it so they pick on easy targets. * Because the killboard is their god and they must make frequent sacrifices to said god or face its wrath. * Because they care about kill ratios and other nonsense but not about how you obtain those stats. * Because they are in a null alliance and they are taking a break from null life but still want their pvp fix( Alts of null players) * Because they feel it is their duty to discourage people from making high sec their home and to push them out of the "nest" so to speak. * Because they are sociopaths and feed off such activities. I could go on but you get the point. All the people that do these activities do it for their own reasons. And those reasons are greatly varied. Im sure i forgot a few. Those are the most common ones that i can think of atm.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 2514	Posted - 2016.05.18 20:37:07 - [135] - Quote Roenok Baalnorn wrote: Black Pedro wrote: sigh followed by Loads of BS The reasons high sec mercs and gankers exist( with bulletpoints): * Because stupid people carry a stupid amountsof high value cargo in fairly squishy ships. * Because stupid people afk autopilot, mine, etc * Because carebears hire them to remove other carebears from carebear areas( mercs to remove your competition) * Because carebears hire them to defend against mean carebears and mercs. * Because they like making others emotional. * Because they are sadistic. * For profit. * For Fun. * Because they want to pvp but want to have little to no risks to themselves. * Because they want to pvp but arent good at it so they pick on easy targets. * Because the killboard is their god and they must make frequent sacrifices to said god or face its wrath. * Because they care about kill ratios and other nonsense but not about how you obtain those stats. * Because they are in a null alliance and they are taking a break from null life but still want their pvp fix( Alts of null players) * Because they feel it is their duty to discourage people from making high sec their home and to push them out of the "nest" so to speak. * Because they are sociopaths and feed off such activities. I could go on but you get the point. All the people that do these activities do it for their own reasons. And those reasons are greatly varied. Im sure i forgot a few. Those are the most common ones that i can think of atm. Sure. Never did I claim that all gankers or mercenaries act for the same reason I do (just look at my signature). But I did clarify my motivation which happens to overlap significantly with the stated ideals and motivations of the New Order of Highsec, as it was the discussion point raised by Brokk on the last page. There are almost as many reasons to play this game as there are players, but my point is that you don't have to guess what is the founding motivation of the New Order. James 315 has spelled it out in excruciating detail over the last 4 years and there is no reason for obfuscation or deception. The Code and the New Order of Highsec are intended to make highsec a more risky, interactive and thus more interesting place, as well as provide the much needed player-driven risk to prevent a complete theme-park/carebear-paradise from taking hold there. I can't speak for what motivates every ganker, wardeccer, or even other members of the New Order itself, but I can assert the mission statement of the New Order of Highsec with certainty as it is not a secret in any sense of the word. I also can provide my personal motivations for enforcing the Code, which among some other things, involves making highsec and Eve a better place for everyone by generating content and providing risk in what can be a very, very dull sector of space. Believe or not, it doesn't matter. But I do wonder why people seem to think it so implausible that the New Order is exactly what it says it is. Why Do They Gank?
Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7706	Posted - 2016.05.18 20:41:16 - [136] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: I had enough of him a long time ago and he remains one of the three posters on these forums I have blocked. I guess if you approach his posts with the right frame of mind you could find some entertainment or perhaps even some insight at least into his unique world-view, but I think it best just to continue to ignore him if you are trying to have a productive conversation. For "productive conversation" see "one-sided conversation". Your opposition to my posting pretty much boils down to me not agreeing with many of your opinions and that unlike other posters that disagree with you I refuse to be silenced when you post multiple paragraphs of propaganda or attacks. And the truth is, whether you see my posts or not is irrelevant, other people continue to see multiple varied opinions and can continue to make their own judgements on them. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 305	Posted - 2016.05.18 20:52:51 - [137] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: But I did clarify my motivation which happens to overlap significantly with the stated ideals and motivations of the New Order of Highsec, as it was the discussion point raised by Brokk on the last page. Not raised by me - I was merely curious. Especially because Baltec in a similar thread put "profit" forward as a motive and this struck me as very odd. Your takes on the subject are highly appreciated. Never intended to get into a debate about right, wrong or any of that hurfblurf.
Spine Ripper New Order Logistics CODE. 39	Posted - 2016.05.18 21:00:13 - [138] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Galaxy Pig wrote: On a side note, have you taken a look at this dude Lucas Kell's posting history? It's a wealth of tears in there! Like seriously, enough tears to keep me entertained for the foreseeable future. I had enough of him a long time ago and he remains one of the three posters on these forums I have blocked. I guess if you approach his posts with the right frame of mind you could find some entertainment or perhaps even some insight at least into his unique world-view, but I think it best just to continue to ignore him if you are trying to have a productive conversation. If you have him blocked you are missing out on some great "yo mamma" action. Whenever a CODE thread appears Lucas appears right on schedule to tell us that he for one isn't buying our bull*(!# and that, despite his constant attention, we are beneath his notice. Except he can't stop talking about us. He's just the latest, although most persistent, forum warrior who believes that he represents some sort of real Eve player while we are just another version of carebear like the miners. Any post by a recently ganked miner panicking about the overwhelming disaster that the New Order has presented to his future Eve play is met with Luca's cool derision that we are, in fact, nothing to worry about. Just ignore us has been advice from the non believers since day one. I looked at that link I provided earlier in the thread and it included a number of posters saying the exact same things he does, way back in 2011. And yet, we are still here, (@(!ing up the forums and leaving wreckage strewn across highsec. (I particularly enjoyed the posters who demanded that James post on his main. Epic win there). Bottom line. When Lucas posts, we win. Too bad you have him blocked. Still, the miners might be listening to him and that prolongs their agony. So, he's doing his part to hejp us win.... again. In his defense, he does mean well. Its just that things aren't what he thinks so his attempts are futile. Keep up the good work, Agent Lucas! All Highsec miners must follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct or be subject to bumping or ganking.-á No permit, no mining. www.minerbumping.com
Spine Ripper New Order Logistics CODE. 39	Posted - 2016.05.18 21:02:41 - [139] - Quote Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Black Pedro wrote: But I did clarify my motivation which happens to overlap significantly with the stated ideals and motivations of the New Order of Highsec, as it was the discussion point raised by Brokk on the last page. Not raised by me - I was merely curious. Especially because Baltec in a similar thread put "profit" forward as a motive and this struck me as very odd. Your takes on the subject are highly appreciated. Never intended to get into a debate about right, wrong or any of that hurfblurf. The reason profit is mentioned as a motivation goes back to an incident early in the existence of the New Order where CCP told James he had to have a profit motive for bumping the miners. So, he added the permit and CCP, inadvertently, led to the first incident of "The New Order always wins". Any miner who objects to paying the mining fee should take comfort in the fact that CCP required us to ask for it. All Highsec miners must follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct or be subject to bumping or ganking.-á No permit, no mining. www.minerbumping.com
Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7707	Posted - 2016.05.18 22:52:48 - [140] - Quote Spine Ripper wrote: Whenever a CODE thread appears Lucas appears right on schedule to tell us that he for one isn't buying our bull(!# and that, despite his constant attention, we are beneath his notice. Except he can't stop talking about us. Don;t flatter yourself, I appear in a lot of threads. You simply see me in these ones because threads started up by miners talking about their playstyle that get invaded by code members crying about how evil people are for not playing their way tends to interest me. Spine Ripper wrote:* He's just the latest, although most persistent, forum warrior who believes that he represents some sort of real Eve player while we are just another version of carebear like the miners. I don't claim to represent "the read eve player", I simply don't agree with codes self-assessment that they are some necessity for the game and should be exempt from balance passes. Spine Ripper wrote: Eve play is met with Luca's cool derision that we are, in fact, nothing to worry about. Just ignore us has been advice from the non believers since day one. You are nothing to worry about. I've done a lot of highsec mining and not once been ganked by a code member, since you are only after easy kills. If a miner chooses the right setup they can play almost completely AFK and pretty much never see a code member take any form of successful action against them. Spine Ripper wrote: And yet, we are still here, (@(!ing up the forums and leaving wreckage strewn across highsec. (I particularly enjoyed the posters who demanded that James post on his main. Epic win there). Lol, so you're claiming the evidence of your success is the fact that you post in GD, create alts to make little fake little "omg wut is code" posts out of sheer desperation and kill invariably the newest and least experienced players? You still existing really doesn't disprove that ignoring you works. In fact the massive number of AFK miners not being ganked every day pretty much shows that ignoring you is pretty effective. Spine Ripper wrote: Bottom line. When Lucas posts, we win. There's those shifting goalposts again The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 270	Posted - 2016.05.18 22:56:12 - [141] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Sure, what's more likely: that The New Order of Highsec is some elaborate piece of 'propaganda' to cover up, what by everyone's acknowledgement is completely legal gameplay regardless of why we do it, or, that we actually believe that by serving as agents of risk in highsec we are making the game better for everyone? I mean, as I said it doesn't matter what you think - you'll explode all the same - but I always find it strange that there is such resistance to taking our stated motivations at face value. I guess players really embrace that "nowhere is safe" and "trust no one" game play that is promoted and even celebrated by CCP and their natural inclination is to distrust. You do have a low opinion of miners though. Unlike the few instances of code that is all of an asteroid's soul, a mining ship is piloted by a living, breathing player behind the keyboard who has agency to make decisions that will either result in them safely back in station with a load full of ore, or a frozen corpse next to a rapidly expanding ball of gas. That is every much a PvP contest as the nullsec fleet member pressing F1 to blob another group, the highsec merc grinding down another corporation's Citadel, or the solo roamer shooting an entosis laser to capture another group's space. It's all PvP all the way down, unlike the miner who harvests an unthinking, and completely predictable resource. Here a tip to tell the difference: it's a PvP activity if someone comes to the forum at some point to complain how unfair or unbalanced it is that they can actually lose at a video game. To date at least, I have yet to see an asteroid post here about how 'unfair' it is to be harvested day-in and day-out by highsec miners. Maybe that will change when they fully implement the new AI. Had a big long winded response to this but found myself correcting the errors in reading what I wrote so none of that actually aligns with what I said or actually inferred. Too much spin off of a wrong tangent. Here's a tip to tell the difference since yours has no actual bearing on what everyone's concept of PvP is: The entire game is PvP. So technically, what you are doing is PvP, so is mining. However, us EVE'ers have a slang concept of PvE in the game to somehow demean other players play styles. It's doing something that is somehow game generated. It's a bad definition because it's somehow looked down upon as an insult and being 'easy'. I think many forms of slang PVE are higher risk than some accepted PvP forms, namely shooting at defenseless ships. I've lost a lot of ships battling Sleepers, and a few almost losses to Pirates, I know how deadly they can be. I can go out to a .5 or .6 system and take out miners too, it would be easier than dealing with a 4 out of 10 DED HiSec site with a cruiser. So, if the latter is 'easy' PVE, the former MUST be, that is if PVP play styles vs. PVE play styles are something to brag about. If not, then it's all irrelevant and the terms should be meaningless to everyone because the whole freaking game is PVP! Now, we can keep arguing over an invented concept such as PVE in EVE, or you might want to consider the idea that all play styles are legitimate, that no play style is better than another, that's its a sandbox and just because you like a lot of propaganda filigree on your organizations sand castle doesn't make it a better sandcastle than the guy with the sand mound and the leaf flying from the top of it thinking it looks like the Taj Mahal. I give them both thumbs up and call it cool. What I dislike is all the self-inflating chest thumping that goes on in the game because it always ends up sad for the game because when it gets over inflated, or deflated, someone whines and game changes that shouldn't have been made, get made. CODE can probably be pointed to as doing as much if not more harm to HiSec as and perceived 'good'. Almost every nerf to HiSec play styles has fallen against the CODE concept of playing so you guys are shooting yourselves in the foot and calling it a win. I call it OUCH. Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Morgan Agrivar Peace.Keepers 327	Posted - 2016.05.19 03:12:25 - [142] - Quote Ka Plaa wrote: Won't somebody think of the asteroids? :( An asteroid touched me in my no-no place. I am forever scarred. Hold me, Bumble... This would cure me of the fear...
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 2514	Posted - 2016.05.19 10:00:34 - [143] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: The entire game is PvP. So technically, what you are doing is PvP, so is mining. However, us EVE'ers have a slang concept of PvE in the game to somehow demean other players play styles. It's doing something that is somehow game generated. It's a bad definition because it's somehow looked down upon as an insult and being 'easy'. I think many forms of slang PVE are higher risk than some accepted PvP forms, namely shooting at defenseless ships. I've lost a lot of ships battling Sleepers, and a few almost losses to Pirates, I know how deadly they can be. I can go out to a .5 or .6 system and take out miners too, it would be easier than dealing with a 4 out of 10 DED HiSec site with a cruiser. So, if the latter is 'easy' PVE, the former MUST be, that is if PVP play styles vs. PVE play styles are something to brag about. If not, then it's all irrelevant and the terms should be meaningless to everyone because the whole freaking game is PVP! Sure, Eve is a full-time, PvP sandbox experience where players compete and collaborate for power and resources. In that sense, since you always are in competition with other players, everything is PvP, but that doesn't mean that PvE doesn't have a specific and precise meaning. You are free to denigrate other players with the term of course, but both CCP, and more generally the gaming community use that term to refer to activities where the player is interacting with the game environment, be it asteroids, flowers or NPCs, not when their opponent in the game universe is controlled by another player. Here's another tip for you: if an activity in Eve provides the player with with resources spawned into the game universe as a reward, it is PvE. With the sole exception I can think of of insurance payouts (which have their own special controls to prevent abuse), no PvP activity provides direct resources for PvPing for the obvious problem of collusion. I know you are just trying to insult your fellow players of this video game for some reason, but I just want to set the record crystal clear so some poor player stumbling into this thread doesn't believe your nonsense and start parroting it as fact. Pandora Carrollon wrote: CODE can probably be pointed to as doing as much if not more harm to HiSec as and perceived 'good'. Almost every nerf to HiSec play styles has fallen against the CODE concept of playing so you guys are shooting yourselves in the foot and calling it a win. I call it OUCH. Where to you get that idea? CCP is constantly buffing, nerfing and rebalancing things in all sectors of space. Usually they do this when players get too adept at the mechanics that the basic game is no longer working as they intend it to or is impacting on other game systems. Witness the recent changes to nullsec which broke up the large coalitions, or the very recent changes to wormhole escalations that nerfed/changed the farmability of the escalations. The fact that CCP has to respond is a compliment to those players who had mastered those parts of the game to the point changes were necessary to bring things back to the intended game play. CCP intends for criminals to exist in highsec. Highsec carebears (as well as other complacent/lazy plyzers) still die every day. The fact highsec safety is seemingly always buffed is a direct result of the fact that highsec ne'er-do-wells adapt to the changes, while carebears generally don't and prefer to whine on the forums to get CCP to adapt the game for them. CCP spent a whole lot of effort a few years ago with CrimeWatch 2.0 and the wardec revamp to ensure the "CODE concept of playing" is possible and continues in this game. CCP intends for carebears to die. They want groups like CODE. and the various wardeccers to serve as risk for highsec residents. The have specifically enabled this gameplay. It is not an exploit or an oversight, but intentional and deliberate gameplay coded into the game by the developer. Just like any game system they will need to tweak it so that things are somewhat balanced which means buffs to safety are needed on occasion if too many sheep are being harvested, but if ever the carebears become too safe in highsec, I fully expect CCP to buff ganking and put them more at risk like they have multiple times for the carebears in nullsec and in wormhole space in recent years. So yes, every nerf to ganking while perhaps not a 'win' for the New Order, it is certainly a compliment to our PvP prowess which has forced the developer to step in and change things as the other side is losing too much. Fair enough, it is just a game after all and it wouldn't be a very good one if the gankers could always explode everything that moved, or if it was impossible to play as a predator at all, and this requires CCP to tune the balance from time-to-time. The great thing about Eve though is serving up those highsec carebears as my content is part of the fundamental game design. Unless CCP throws in the towel and completely gives up on the basic game design (which would essentially kill Eve and result in another game entirely), that will always be the case no matter how hard carebears whine or beg for CCP to make the bad people go away. I will always be able to non-consensually harvest them like the inert resources you accuse them of being in some manner or another. In other words, the Code always wins because that is what Eve is at its core. You gotta love this game. :) Why Do They Gank?
Ix Method Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 490	Posted - 2016.05.19 10:37:39 - [144] - Quote Pak Narhoo wrote: AFK mining is not playing the game, it's like having young kids in your house with a loaded gun under a pillow while you flirt with the neighbor's wife over the garden fence and expecting nothing will go wrong. This analogy is so bad I'm slightly suprised it didn't end civilisation. Travelling at the speed of love.
Lisbeth Riraille Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2016.05.19 13:15:30 - [145] - Quote One of the problems inherent in discussions such as this is that the back and forth here in the forums isn't actually something taking place outside of the game environment. It's not like, say, two football fans discussing the rules of football in an abstract way. The Code people can't say "oh yeah I 'cry salty tears' sometimes too when a gank fails or when a ret pilot shrugs in local and doesn't engage in my New Order rp" because that would be 'losing'. The forum arguments are pvp for Code etc and pve for 'carebears'. I think it's mildly interesting, but more interesting to me is how we rarely see gankers who don't espouse either rp James315-worship or dress their actions up as somehow being a positive for the game in terms of providing 'content'. Maybe a ganker's come out and simply said 'I like making other people unhappy and it's easy and not against the rules so eff you', sometimes, Nd I just missed it, I don't know. But it's illuminating to see this assymetrical meta forum pvp going on.
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 950	Posted - 2016.05.19 13:41:18 - [146] - Quote I like making other people unhappy and it's easy and not against the rules so eff you. :) *Highsec is owned by players now.* Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 271	Posted - 2016.05.19 14:46:03 - [147] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: I know you are just trying to insult your fellow players of this video game for some reason, but I just want to set the record crystal clear so some poor player stumbling into this thread doesn't believe your nonsense and start parroting it as fact. Normally I enjoy your posts but this one blatantly misinterprets what I said and how I said it. I am against denigration of players and play styles. I have never used 'PVE' as a derogatory term. I'm against the term entirely because it's slang and poorly defined. CODE defines it in a certain way and I don't really care about it. CODE members constantly denigrates miners and their play style. You can keep spouting their propaganda line all you like but that doesn't make it true or real. It's just a certain perception from a certain group. Other groups have their perceptions. I just care that they don't end up hurting the game. Black Pedro wrote: Where to you get that idea? CCP is constantly buffing, nerfing and rebalancing things in all sectors of space. Usually they do this when players get too adept at the mechanics that the basic game is no longer working as they intend it to or is impacting on other game systems. Witness the recent changes to nullsec which broke up the large coalitions, or the very recent changes to wormhole escalations that nerfed/changed the farmability of the escalations. The fact that CCP has to respond is a compliment to those players who had mastered those parts of the game to the point changes were necessary to bring things back to the intended game play. This concept is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. None of what you say here actually addresses any point I made. Moving a conversation about HiSec changes to LoSec and Null sec without a finishing point that is accurate just looks foolish. CCP doesn't have an 'intended game play' and this has been said over and over. They do like turn, churn and burn but this isn't about game play, it's about dealing with ISK growth and static situations that lead to it. In order for the economy to work, there has to be both input, creation, and destruction. If those aren't kept in balance, the economy dies and all gameplay dies. That's their only 'intent'. Game play is actually up to the players and CCP doesn't seem to like to interfere in it much. The "Intended Game Play" you cite is your bias read on what it is. Each of the security zones and their rules is what seems to me to be as far as 'intended' game play conecpts go. What CODE does in HiSec is perfectly fine with me, I have no issue with it. I take issue with CODE utterly ignoring the damage they do to the game itself with their methodology and not figuring out ways to mitigate it. Black Pedro wrote: CCP intends for criminals to exist in highsec. Highsec carebears (as well as other complacent/lazy players) still die every day. The fact highsec safety is seemingly always buffed is a direct result of the fact that highsec ne'er-do-wells adapt to the changes, while carebears generally don't and prefer to whine on the forums to get CCP to adapt the game for them. CCP spent a whole lot of effort a few years ago with CrimeWatch 2.0 and the wardec revamp to ensure the "CODE concept of playing" is possible and continues in this game. CCP intends for carebears to die. They want groups like CODE. and the various wardeccers to serve as risk for highsec residents. The have specifically enabled this gameplay. It is not an exploit or an oversight, but intentional and deliberate gameplay coded into the game by the developer. Just like any game system they will need to tweak it so that things are somewhat balanced which means buffs to safety are needed on occasion if too many sheep are being harvested, but if ever the carebears become too safe in highsec, I fully expect CCP to buff ganking and put them more at risk like they have multiple times for the carebears in nullsec and in wormhole space in recent years. I highlighted all the insults that were tossed here to demonstrate clearly that I'm not the one denigrating other players and play styles. Just in case anyone is actually reading this stuff. Now, to your points. I am not going to disagree with much of what you say because while I may disagree on perception, I don't disagree with the point that HiSec needs to have it's own level of risk and is just fine as it is. As to your ideological slant, believe whatever you want sir, it has no impact on me. (continued) Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 271	Posted - 2016.05.19 15:09:51 - [148] - Quote Black Pedro}So yes, every nerf to ganking while perhaps not a 'win' for the New Order, it is certainly a compliment to our PvP prowess which has forced the developer to step in and change things as the other side is losing too much. Fair enough, it is just a game after all and it wouldn't be a very good one if the gankers could always explode everything that moved, or if it was impossible to play as a predator at all, and this requires CCP to tune the balance from time-to-time. The great thing about Eve though is [url=https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4964192#post4964192 wrote: serving up those highsec carebears as my content is part of the fundamental game design[/url]. Unless CCP throws in the towel and completely gives up on the basic game design (which would essentially kill Eve and result in another game entirely), that will always be the case no matter how hard carebears whine or beg for CCP to make the bad people go away. I will always be able to non-consensually harvest them like the inert resources you accuse them of being in some manner or another. In other words, the Code always wins because that is what Eve is at its core. You gotta love this game. :) I do love this game and I agree with you that CCP wants conflict. I also agree that HiSec is just fine with organizations like CODE in them. No problem there. What I disagree with is that CODE is some kind of HiSec morality that must exist in order for the game to 'work' properly. That's utter garbage. Gankers in HiSec exist without being in CODE and do so for the real reason the game exists: to play how you like, earn/burn ISK and have fun their way. CODE and it's ideological propaganda could vanish tomorrow and those players that are in it right now would happily go on doing what they are doing. CODE is just HiSec mafia and you deal with it as a player. Yes, players have to adjust because of CODE's tactics but those are NORMAL and ACCEPTED tactics that can be done by anyone, CODE may have invented some of them but as you pointed out, they are legit so you have to deal with them. CODE's tactics have directly resulted in nerfs to that playstyle, the latest being the warp timer. CODE members and other bumpers have come on these very forums and complained about it. Now who's whining, not the 'carebears', it's the 'gankers'. So you guys are just as guilty about whining as you claim the 'carebears' are. The complaining is also PVP so please don't tell me I'm misreading all of this. I'm not the one with the ideological agenda! LOL! Look, Black P, I actually like you. I don't dislike CODE or its tactics. What I dislike is that people take this stuff to the extreme, someone gets all insulted by it and changes to the game get made. Go ahead and keep saying the propaganda, some players may read it, drink that Kool-Aid and find kinship with fellow souls. I say "That's awesome!" and it adds to the game. However, please acknowledge that after it's all boiled down, CODE makes it's ISK by taking on defenseless targets and shaking them down for money. Everything else is just paint and curtains. CODE members, like ALL corporations and alliances, must take a regular look at their effects on the game. If you aren't doing this, then you are a hazard to the game if you engage in trying to make changes to the game. If you come to the realization that your activities are forcing negative changes then maybe you might want to consider finding ways to adjust your methods to that everyone enjoys the game more. Take your "Miner Bumping" for example. Had you guys put your OWN timer limitation, just as an improvement mechanism for your own members, CCP would not have had to do that for you. If after 5 minutes your bumpers couldn't get that Freighter or Mining barge off the location to gank it, then you guys should have had the courage and fortitude to say "Eh, we sucked at this one, let him go and we'll try again next time and this time we need to do..." This way you aren't utterly wasting another players time as well as your own. You give the other pilot a "Nice avoid, have a good one" in local and suddenly you start sounding more like an organization that actually believes their own ideology and not one solely interested in gank for profit. If you guys start regularly doing THAT kind of mature thinking, on how to create content as well as protect OTHER players play styles AND avoid costing the game new players, then I'll start believing your propaganda is for real. Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2483	Posted - 2016.05.19 15:38:00 - [149] - Quote Lisbeth Riraille wrote: Maybe a ganker's come out and simply said 'I like making other people unhappy and it's easy and not against the rules so eff you', sometimes, Nd I just missed it, I don't know. From my extensive field research on the topic it is absolutely clear that miners are already pretty unhappy and we are not really needed for that part. If you kill a miner in the state of complete bot-aspirancy he will obviously vent all the bottled-up unhappiness against you. I really enjoy miner tears, but not because the miner is unhappy, because it is a first sign of life, a first emotion from a bot-aspirant machine-like creature which made his first step in becoming human again. You see, you are mistaken if you think we just want to hurt people, we want to help them and to make them better again. I know you are probably used to players which just grief and harass you and it's just natural that you expect the same from us. But we are New Order Agents and not your common ganker without purpose. If you would actually read the Code and embrace the words of our Saviour James 315 you would see that I am right and that it is our content creation which is the last chance Highsec has. Praise James! the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7715	Posted - 2016.05.19 15:41:02 - [150] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: CODE's tactics have directly resulted in nerfs to that playstyle, the latest being the warp timer. Technically speaking that was more of an unnerfing. It used to be that if you started bumping a player and they logged off, you had a finite amount of time (I believe 15 minutes) before their ship simply disappeared. Nothing you could do could stop that. This was changed so that you could still scan them down after they warp off and can keep a permanent aggression timer to keep them in space until downtime at the cost of rookie ships. This time just adds that limit back in in a better way, so you have to still be logged in and attempting to warp to get away, and the aggressors can continue to chase and bump you for each warp of your journey. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7715	Posted - 2016.05.19 15:56:24 - [151] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: If you kill a miner in the state of complete bot-aspirancy he will obviously vent all the bottled-up unhappiness against you. Which you almost never do. I've mined much in the past and recently started back up my multibox fleet, stripping ice belts in under an hour while playing PS4, and am yet to feel the wrath of CODE members. The players you target are generally solo miners with limited experience. The reason some of your targets get angry isn't because they are miners, it's because they've been caught out by a mechanic they don't understand. If you gank missioners or travelling frigates you can often get the same response. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 2514	Posted - 2016.05.19 16:21:09 - [152] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: I do love this game and I agree with you that CCP wants conflict. I also agree that HiSec is just fine with organizations like CODE in them. No problem there. What I disagree with is that CODE is some kind of HiSec morality that must exist in order for the game to 'work' properly. That's utter garbage. Gankers in HiSec exist without being in CODE and do so for the real reason the game exists: to play how you like, earn/burn ISK and have fun their way. CODE and it's ideological propaganda could vanish tomorrow and those players that are in it right now would happily go on doing what they are doing. CODE is just HiSec mafia and you deal with it as a player. Yes, players have to adjust because of CODE's tactics but those are NORMAL and ACCEPTED tactics that can be done by anyone, CODE may have invented some of them but as you pointed out, they are legit so you have to deal with them. I have no problem with this assessment. Ganking, wardeccing and the exploding of carebears in general will go on with or without the New Order of Highsec. The CODE. alliance does not have a monopoly on ganking and there are plenty of players that gank for more base reasons like just loot or tears, many of whom also gank with CODE., but that doesn't change the fact that some of us do explode carebears in highsec for ideological reasons, nor that the New Order of Highsec has a foundation in ideology. You can accept that or not. It doesn't matter. But I will assert one more time that many of us believe that Eve is a better game with risk in it, and that if CCP is not going to do something about the out-of-whack risk vs. reward balance of highsec, it is up to the players to try improve the game by serving out that risk. It's also true that we do derive much fun from exploding people and taking their stuff, and watching our combined efforts reshape the face of highsec, but that I think that is perfectly consistent with the fact we are all playing a video game for fun. Every study CCP has done (and previous carebear CSM members asked them to do many) has been unable show any negative impact of non-consensual PvP on new player retention. I am sure that orders of magnitude more new players have been bored out of the game by nothing happening while they level their Raven, than have ever been lost to someone getting bumped or ganked. The 'think of the children' argument is almost always thrown out by well-established veteran players who just don't like losing their stuff. If CCP isn't worried about ganking or wardeccing affecting new players, I am not sure why you are. As for the bumping nerf, I am pretty ok with it. Having your freighter bumped for many hours straight, even if there were things you could do to escape if you had help, was pretty silly. Making it so that a gank fleet has to sacrifice a suicide scram every 2.5 minutes is a good compromise as it will allow organized groups to carry on more-or-less as before, but indefinite tackling by a solo bumper will be more difficult/impossible. It is a wise decision from CCP that nerfs bumping for ransom, but still allows bumping of capital ships to have (some) tactical value in all spaces, and allows freighter ganking to go on unabated. It's also more proof that CCP wants conflict to take place in highsec given that they could have just patched bumping out completely or made freighters immune to it. The game is suppose to work this way. The sandbox is ever-changing with existing mechanics rebalanced, old ones removed and sometimes new ones added, but one constant is that carebears are suppose to explode in highsec - both regularly and against their will - and the New Order of Highsec has made enforcing this aspect of the design of the game their sacred mission. Why Do They Gank?
Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7717	Posted - 2016.05.19 16:40:22 - [153] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: But I will assert one more time that many of us believe that Eve is a better game with risk in it, and that if CCP is not going to do something about the out-of-whack risk vs. reward balance of highsec, it is up to the players to try improve the game by serving out that risk. Agreed, which is why low risk PvP that CODE is involved in also needs to be balanced. You seem to think that other people in highsec have out of whack risk/reward while you guys are fine. That's simply not the case, especially when compared with any other form of PvP. Mining is one of the lowest income activities when performed solo and yet your group targets solo miners. If anything all you do is push out the competition so that larger multiboxers who have no worries about CODE even remotely affecting them make even more. Black Pedro wrote: Every study CCP has done (and previous carebear CSM members asked them to do many) has been unable show any negative impact of non-consensual PvP on new player retention. And when they released the details of those studies, the methods of analysis they used were highly dubious. They used extremely limited timeframes that would exclude most new players who are in mining barges (as most newbies don't know how to efficiently get into a barge in a week) and they made no attempt to split out newbies who joined to play with other players (and thus would be more likely to join a corp and get into fights) vs fresh newbies joining of their own volition. What we do know (thanks in part to your groups documentation) is that ganking player tends to infuriate a good portion of the newer and lower skilled players and that players have indeed ragequit over it. Black Pedro wrote: I am sure that orders of magnitude more new players have been bored out of the game by nothing happening while they level their Raven, than have ever been lost to someone getting bumped or ganked. I'm sure that's true, but if a player is bored by EVEs mechanics, it's highly unlikely that ganking them relieves that boredom. Encouraging them to join other players in corps and interact has been proved to help but oh, that's right, corporations that exist in highsec that don't exist purely as a shell for NPC alts (see red frog for example) or PvP don't generally succeed in growing because of constant wardecs from merc group looking for their own form of easy, low-risk PvP. Black Pedro wrote: As for the bumping nerf, I am pretty ok with it. Having your freighter bumped for many hours straight, even if there were things you could do to escape if you had help, was pretty silly. Making it so that a gank fleet has to sacrifice a suicide scram every 2.5 minutes is a good compromise as it will allow organized groups to carry on more-or-less as before, but indefinite tackling by a solo bumper will be more difficult/impossible. Throwing away rookie ships is difficult/impossible? They've even made it so you can have dedicated alts for this that pay for themselves through SP trading now. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 952	Posted - 2016.05.19 16:51:25 - [154] - Quote "What we do know (thanks in part to your groups documentation) is that ganking player tends to infuriate a good portion of the newer and lower skilled players and that players have indeed ragequit over it." You're just a bleeding heart for these poor weaklings that have had our big bad ol' playstyle FORCED upon them, aren't you? *Highsec is owned by players now.* Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7717	Posted - 2016.05.19 16:59:16 - [155] - Quote Galaxy Pig wrote: You're just a bleeding heart for these poor weaklings that have had our big bad ol' playstyle FORCED upon them, aren't you? Nope, I just find it amusing that your own website shows why your target selection and methodology does nothing to accomplish the goals you claim to have and simply make rookies mad. At the end of the day, I wouldn't claim either way, I think you have zero additional effect on player retention in compared with any other player. Players who don't like or don't understand the game will at some point be enraged by someone and quit or get bored of the game and quit. Pedro likes to claim code are here fixing the game, but the reality is you're all just playing it like any other player, and no different from any other highsec player seeking low risk activities. Again, that's not a bad thing, the sandbox is the sandbox and seeking minimal risk is an acceptable part of that. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Ka Plaa Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning 257	Posted - 2016.05.19 17:12:53 - [156] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: I've mined much in the past and recently started back up my multibox fleet, stripping ice belts in under an hour while playing PS4, and am yet to feel the wrath of CODE members... CODE operates in Outer Ring now? "The Crowd Is Untruth" - Kierkegaard
Zathra Narazi Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF 20	Posted - 2016.05.19 17:37:51 - [157] - Quote Aucturis Arbosa wrote: So I've been away from the game for over a year. Just got back into it and I've been TRYING to mine to build up some money. Unfortunately I've discovered the new "Hotness" in EVE....Asteroid Squatting. When did it become fashionable to absolutely gank a lowly mining rig...in Hi Sec areas and then scream at you for not paying for a mining contract? I mean seriously, is this the new "friendly" EVE way of playing? Getting prison gang raped by morons until you either join their prison gang or pay a stupid contract fee and still get blasted by these Heathens? What the hell are you supposed to do to make money? Is AFK mining in HI SEC a relic of the past? I've lost 3 rigs in the last week and I haven't even played that many hours to be honest. Seems like every other time I sign on and try to mine I get podded....I'm starting to think I made a big mistake coming back. Time to look for new game I suppose? Maybe you should try actually playing the game instead of being a glorified bot. It's not like it's the slightest bit hard to avoid suicide gankers.
Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7728	Posted - 2016.05.19 17:55:29 - [158] - Quote Ka Plaa wrote: CODE operates in Outer Ring now? AFK mining to the extent I'm AFK would not end well in null, so I do it in highsec when I'm playing PS4 or in a fleet on my mains. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Spine Ripper New Order Logistics CODE. 40	Posted - 2016.05.19 18:02:26 - [159] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: Look, Black P, I actually like you. I don't dislike CODE or its tactics. What I dislike is that people take this stuff to the extreme, someone gets all insulted by it and changes to the game get made. Go ahead and keep saying the propaganda, some players may read it, drink that Kool-Aid and find kinship with fellow souls. I say "That's awesome!" and it adds to the game. However, please acknowledge that after it's all boiled down, CODE makes it's ISK by taking on defenseless targets and shaking them down for money. Everything else is just paint and curtains. CODE members, like ALL corporations and alliances, must take a regular look at their effects on the game. If you aren't doing this, then you are a hazard to the game if you engage in trying to make changes to the game. If you come to the realization that your activities are forcing negative changes then maybe you might want to consider finding ways to adjust your methods to that everyone enjoys the game more. Take your "Miner Bumping" for example. Had you guys put your OWN timer limitation, just as an improvement mechanism for your own members, CCP would not have had to do that for you. If after 5 minutes your bumpers couldn't get that Freighter or Mining barge off the location to gank it, then you guys should have had the courage and fortitude to say "Eh, we sucked at this one, let him go and we'll try again next time and this time we need to do..." This way you aren't utterly wasting another players time as well as your own. You give the other pilot a "Nice avoid, have a good one" in local and suddenly you start sounding more like an organization that actually believes their own ideology and not one solely interested in gank for profit. If you guys start regularly doing THAT kind of mature thinking, on how to create content as well as protect OTHER players play styles AND avoid costing the game new players, then I'll start believing your propaganda is for real. You have really hit on the main complaint of people like yourself and Lucas. No matter how many times we tell you we really DO believe that highsec miners are ruining the game with their expectations of safety and constand demands for the nerfing of highsec aggression when their "safe space" gets invaded you persist in insisting that we are run of the mill griefers who just want to upset the noobs. With the easy acceptance of players from all over Eve into the New Order you may be correct on some accounts. But I can tell you from extensive time in the New Order and hours of conversation with the main long time Agents that the battle against bot aspirancy is a real motivation and that the ranks of the New Order are filled with former can flippers, ninja salvagers, corp awoxers and many of the other forms of highsec pvp that were destroyed by CCP in response to the whining and complaining of the low engagement players of highsec. As each of these other forms of emergent gameplay were ruined we were forced into the only remaining outlet, ganking. We know who ruined the Eve we loved to play. That being said, we are not out for revenge. We are determined, instead, to show players, old and new, the evils of bot aspirancy and transform highsec from a place where players have the expectation that they can safely undock in whatever they choose, go whereever they want and sit around gathering ISK without any interaction much less interference from other players into somewhere a person thinks twice before hitting the undock button. Because on the other side, is us. Waiting to take away whatever you have. Or, alternatively, to sell you a permit and get your support of our efforts. I do find your suggestion of us self-limiting to be laughable. In null sec do people release their tackled opponents if they haven't destroyed them in a set amount of time? Do alliances drop their invasions if the system hasn't fallen in some arbitrarily set time? Do you slap your opponents across the face with a leather glove or make sure both sides have equal forces before engaging? No, you don't as it would be rediculous to set aside your goals for some arbitrary "rules of engagement". Well, when you are determined to save all of highsec in eight years, the stated goal of the New Order, there is no room for self-imposed limitations. Or mercy for that matter. All Highsec miners must follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct or be subject to bumping or ganking.-á No permit, no mining. www.minerbumping.com
Flex Carter Caldari Independant Mining Association 138	Posted - 2016.05.19 18:07:58 - [160] - Quote Ka Plaa wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: I've mined much in the past and recently started back up my multibox fleet, stripping ice belts in under an hour while playing PS4, and am yet to feel the wrath of CODE members... CODE operates in Outer Ring now? I know you're referring to his Alliance new location but I spit soda all over my keyboard of the thought of CODE in Null-Sec... Comedians these days...

Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7732	Posted - 2016.05.19 18:18:30 - [161] - Quote Spine Ripper wrote: You have really hit on the main complaint of people like yourself and Lucas. No matter how many times we tell you we really DO believe that highsec miners are ruining the game with their expectations of safety and constand demands for the nerfing of highsec aggression when their "safe space" gets invaded you persist in insisting that we are run of the mill griefers who just want to upset the noobs. Again though, that's because your methods of doing so, your target selection and your harvesting of tears is directly counter to your stated goals. I prefer to believe that like many players in EVE you are simply hiding your real intentions rather than believing your are woefully incompetent. I think you're all pretty competent veteran players. Spine Ripper wrote: the battle against bot aspirancy I really don;t think that means what you think it means. Bot aspirant players won't fly inefficiently in badly fit ships and respond with tears, they'll silently strip away belts in ships you tend to avoid ganking fit to balance yield and tank in the most efficient way possible. If you are after bot aspirants you are shooting the wrong people. Spine Ripper wrote: We know who ruined the Eve we loved to play. Nobody did, which is why you are still here, right? You love to play the game as it is. I can't imagine you continue to play a game you dislike.. Spine Ripper wrote: transform highsec from a place where players have the expectation that they can safely undock in whatever they choose, go whereever they want and sit around gathering ISK without any interaction much less interference from other players into somewhere a person thinks twice before hitting the undock button. Because on the other side, is us. Yet many of us sit around doing exactly that, since you are shooting the wrong people. The great thing is that not only do you have no negative impact on players like myself you are actually killing the smaller competition, and when you gank a freighter there a small chance it's the hauler contracted with my overcollateralised product. Again, play the game however you want, that's the beauty of a sandbox, but lets not pretend you hiding in highsec shooting people in disposable ships on empty alts isn't effectively the same as every other risk averse highsec player. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Lisbeth Riraille Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2016.05.19 19:42:13 - [162] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Lisbeth Riraille wrote: Maybe a ganker's come out and simply said 'I like making other people unhappy and it's easy and not against the rules so eff you', sometimes, Nd I just missed it, I don't know. From my extensive field research on the topic it is absolutely clear that miners are already pretty unhappy and we are not really needed for that part. If you kill a miner in the state of complete bot-aspirancy he will obviously vent all the bottled-up unhappiness against you. I really enjoy miner tears, but not because the miner is unhappy, because it is a first sign of life, a first emotion from a bot-aspirant machine-like creature which made his first step in becoming human again. You see, you are mistaken if you think we just want to hurt people, we want to help them and to make them better again. I know you are probably used to players which just grief and harass you and it's just natural that you expect the same from us. But we are New Order Agents and not your common ganker without purpose. If you would actually read the Code and embrace the words of our Saviour James 315 you would see that I am right and that it is our content creation which is the last chance Highsec has. Praise James! This is a good example of the roleplaying CODE does. It's repeating more of the same, so a bit pointless in terms of what the thread is about, however.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 12086	Posted - 2016.05.19 19:49:18 - [163] - Quote Morgan Agrivar wrote: Ka Plaa wrote: Won't somebody think of the asteroids? :( An asteroid touched me in my no-no place. I am forever scarred. Hold me, Bumble... /Bumble holds Morgan close, comforting her while his moustachio quivers ever so slightly Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi . Bumble's Space Log
Lisbeth Riraille Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2016.05.19 19:52:55 - [164] - Quote Spine Ripper wrote: Pandora Carrollon wrote: Look, Black P, I actually like you. I don't dislike CODE or its tactics. What I dislike is that people take this stuff to the extreme, someone gets all insulted by it and changes to the game get made. Go ahead and keep saying the propaganda, some players may read it, drink that Kool-Aid and find kinship with fellow souls. I say "That's awesome!" and it adds to the game. However, please acknowledge that after it's all boiled down, CODE makes it's ISK by taking on defenseless targets and shaking them down for money. Everything else is just paint and curtains. CODE members, like ALL corporations and alliances, must take a regular look at their effects on the game. If you aren't doing this, then you are a hazard to the game if you engage in trying to make changes to the game. If you come to the realization that your activities are forcing negative changes then maybe you might want to consider finding ways to adjust your methods to that everyone enjoys the game more. Take your "Miner Bumping" for example. Had you guys put your OWN timer limitation, just as an improvement mechanism for your own members, CCP would not have had to do that for you. If after 5 minutes your bumpers couldn't get that Freighter or Mining barge off the location to gank it, then you guys should have had the courage and fortitude to say "Eh, we sucked at this one, let him go and we'll try again next time and this time we need to do..." This way you aren't utterly wasting another players time as well as your own. You give the other pilot a "Nice avoid, have a good one" in local and suddenly you start sounding more like an organization that actually believes their own ideology and not one solely interested in gank for profit. If you guys start regularly doing THAT kind of mature thinking, on how to create content as well as protect OTHER players play styles AND avoid costing the game new players, then I'll start believing your propaganda is for real. You have really hit on the main complaint of people like yourself and Lucas. No matter how many times we tell you we really DO believe that highsec miners are ruining the game with their expectations of safety and constand demands for the nerfing of highsec aggression when their "safe space" gets invaded you persist in insisting that we are run of the mill griefers who just want to upset the noobs. With the easy acceptance of players from all over Eve into the New Order you may be correct on some accounts. But I can tell you from extensive time in the New Order and hours of conversation with the main long time Agents that the battle against bot aspirancy is a real motivation and that the ranks of the New Order are filled with former can flippers, ninja salvagers, corp awoxers and many of the other forms of highsec pvp that were destroyed by CCP in response to the whining and complaining of the low engagement players of highsec. As each of these other forms of emergent gameplay were ruined we were forced into the only remaining outlet, ganking. We know who ruined the Eve we loved to play. That being said, we are not out for revenge. We are determined, instead, to show players, old and new, the evils of bot aspirancy and transform highsec from a place where players have the expectation that they can safely undock in whatever they choose, go whereever they want and sit around gathering ISK without any interaction much less interference from other players into somewhere a person thinks twice before hitting the undock button. Because on the other side, is us. Waiting to take away whatever you have. Or, alternatively, to sell you a permit and get your support of our efforts. I do find your suggestion of us self-limiting to be laughable. In null sec do people release their tackled opponents if they haven't destroyed them in a set amount of time? Do alliances drop their invasions if the system hasn't fallen in some arbitrarily set time? Do you slap your opponents across the face with a leather glove or make sure both sides have equal forces before engaging? No, you don't as it would be rediculous to set aside your goals for some arbitrary "rules of engagement". Well, when you are determined to save all of highsec in eight years, the stated goal of the New Order, there is no room for self-imposed limitations. Or mercy for that matter. 8 years? How long have they been doing their thing so far? I've not noticed any huge difference in the state of hisec in the past 2 years at least. It's unlikely to reach any sort of endpoint where the New Order can say 'every miner has a permit! We win!', or conversely ' 8 years is up, we failed, we'll stop now'. The 8 years thing has to just be more roleplaying.
Spine Ripper New Order Logistics CODE. 41	Posted - 2016.05.19 20:25:52 - [165] - Quote Lisbeth Riraille wrote: 8 years? How long have they been doing their thing so far? I've not noticed any huge difference in the state of hisec in the past 2 years at least. It's unlikely to reach any sort of endpoint where the New Order can say 'every miner has a permit! We win!', or conversely ' 8 years is up, we failed, we'll stop now'. The 8 years thing has to just be more roleplaying. Its an estimate. The New Order is 4 years into the plan at this point. http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/how-new-order-will-achieve-final.html All Highsec miners must follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct or be subject to bumping or ganking.-á No permit, no mining. www.minerbumping.com
Lisbeth Riraille Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2016.05.19 21:00:54 - [166] - Quote Spine Ripper wrote: Lisbeth Riraille wrote: 8 years? How long have they been doing their thing so far? I've not noticed any huge difference in the state of hisec in the past 2 years at least. It's unlikely to reach any sort of endpoint where the New Order can say 'every miner has a permit! We win!', or conversely ' 8 years is up, we failed, we'll stop now'. The 8 years thing has to just be more roleplaying. Its an estimate. The New Order is 4 years into the plan at this point. http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/how-new-order-will-achieve-final.html
Lisbeth Riraille Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2016.05.19 21:04:46 - [167] - Quote Spine Ripper wrote: Lisbeth Riraille wrote: 8 years? How long have they been doing their thing so far? I've not noticed any huge difference in the state of hisec in the past 2 years at least. It's unlikely to reach any sort of endpoint where the New Order can say 'every miner has a permit! We win!', or conversely ' 8 years is up, we failed, we'll stop now'. The 8 years thing has to just be more roleplaying. Its an estimate. The New Order is 4 years into the plan at this point. http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/how-new-order-will-achieve-final.html That roleplay blog post is morw like a goal descriptiom that a plan pf how to go about acheiving that goal.
Spine Ripper New Order Logistics CODE. 41	Posted - 2016.05.19 21:09:45 - [168] - Quote Lisbeth Riraille wrote: Spine Ripper wrote: Lisbeth Riraille wrote: 8 years? How long have they been doing their thing so far? I've not noticed any huge difference in the state of hisec in the past 2 years at least. It's unlikely to reach any sort of endpoint where the New Order can say 'every miner has a permit! We win!', or conversely ' 8 years is up, we failed, we'll stop now'. The 8 years thing has to just be more roleplaying. Its an estimate. The New Order is 4 years into the plan at this point. http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/how-new-order-will-achieve-final.html That roleplay blog post is morw like a goal descriptiom that a plan pf how to go about acheiving that goal. Sorry, figured you could work a website. You have to read all three parts. http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/how-new-order-will-achieve-final_22.html http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/how-new-order-will-achieve-final_23.html All Highsec miners must follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct or be subject to bumping or ganking.-á No permit, no mining. www.minerbumping.com
Exaido Fire Over Light 0	Posted - 2016.05.19 21:18:43 - [169] - Quote CODE only seems to be active in very specific areas. Moving freight through Udema in a blockade runner I've never been hit. Mining in high-sec in a low traffic areas, I've not only rarely seen anyone but have never run into CODE. If you run a sufficiently tanked Procurer (50K+ EHP), keep a flight of light drones - mining doesn't seem to be too much of an issue if you are at the keyboard. Freighting, anything heavier, with the fix for align-time, an ORCA will run 200K+ EHP. The only time I lost anything, was a capsule, when I was AFK - lost a lot of expensive implants but it was a good lesson. So mining in high-sec is scarcely dangerous with a little bit of prep-work. There's also the anti-gank channels if you want to really move through Udema or high-risk areas.
Aiwha Infinite Point Violence of Action. 1181	Posted - 2016.05.19 21:39:11 - [170] - Quote Posting in a stealth CODE attention seeking thread. They must be getting attention hungry since AT time is coming up. Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Lisbeth Riraille Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2016.05.19 23:04:05 - [171] - Quote Spine Ripper wrote: Lisbeth Riraille wrote: Spine Ripper wrote: Lisbeth Riraille wrote: 8 years? How long have they been doing their thing so far? I've not noticed any huge difference in the state of hisec in the past 2 years at least. It's unlikely to reach any sort of endpoint where the New Order can say 'every miner has a permit! We win!', or conversely ' 8 years is up, we failed, we'll stop now'. The 8 years thing has to just be more roleplaying. Its an estimate. The New Order is 4 years into the plan at this point. http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/how-new-order-will-achieve-final.html That roleplay blog post is morw like a goal descriptiom that a plan pf how to go about acheiving that goal. Sorry, figured you could work a website. I was actually showing you where the eight year timeline came from. If you want to know the full details on how the New Order will win you have to read all three parts. http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/how-new-order-will-achieve-final_22.html http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/01/how-new-order-will-achieve-final_23.html Thanks for finding those links for me, I couldn't be bothered to. I read the rest of the RP post about 'the plan', and it's still a pretty nebulous goal with no details apart from 'bump and gank'. It has to be, of course, as it of necessity needs to actually not be achievable in order for the fun to continue. It's like WoW raids, you never finish the narrative, you just keep repeating them. The New Order needs an endless crusade with no literal endpoint, or the gank fun stops. 'Control of hisec' can be claimed easily in roleplay terms like James does on his blog.
Scruffled Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2016.05.20 00:30:45 - [172] - Quote Yo sup
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 275	Posted - 2016.05.20 03:12:48 - [173] - Quote Spine Ripper wrote: (snip... lot's of Kool Aid) I find it funny that you actually believe what the "New Order" is selling. I really don't have an issue with that, whatever you find to drive your motivation is cool by me. You are mistaken in thinking I am defending HiSec miners. I am not. I understand what they do and why they do it. I suggest you ACTUALLY study and ask HiSec miners why they do it. You might find it doesn't quite line up with what your beloved James and New Order says they do. I've had my say; trying to reason with fanatics is usually a process in frustration. People can choose whatever they want to believe. One final thought... Isn't it just a teeny, tiny bit arrogant to assume that any group of players in a sandbox has the right to try to dictate a certain play style on other players by force? Just a thought. Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2484	Posted - 2016.05.20 05:18:16 - [174] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: Isn't it just a teeny, tiny bit arrogant to assume that any group of players in a sandbox has the right to try to dictate a certain play style on other players by force? Just a thought. We don't try to dictate a "playstyle", we just enforce some common sense rules and try to improve good behaviour. I am not sure why anyone gets so upset about this. I mean there are a lot of other areas where we don't claim ownership. If you don't like it in Highsec and want to do whatever you want, go mine in null. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1627	Posted - 2016.05.20 05:33:46 - [175] - Quote Last time I saw CODE in one of my mining system they completely ignored my two Skiffs, so I was a bit hurt by their lack of attention, so I jumped into a Stratios and probed them down just after they hit someone, found a flashy red pos sitting next to two empty Catalysts so I podded it with about 60m worth of implants. Please come again... Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically no longer a themepark for gankers now that CCP have rebalanced key areas. Well done CCP
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2484	Posted - 2016.05.20 06:05:11 - [176] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Last time I saw CODE in one of my mining system they completely ignored my two Skiffs, so I was a bit hurt by their lack of attention, so I jumped into a Stratios and probed them down just after they hit someone, found a flashy red pos sitting next to two empty Catalysts so I podded it with about 60m worth of implants. Please come again... You podded a POS? another good Dracvlad story. Something for the grandchildren. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1627	Posted - 2016.05.20 06:17:16 - [177] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Last time I saw CODE in one of my mining system they completely ignored my two Skiffs, so I was a bit hurt by their lack of attention, so I jumped into a Stratios and probed them down just after they hit someone, found a flashy red pos sitting next to two empty Catalysts so I podded it with about 60m worth of implants. Please come again... You podded a POS? another good Dracvlad story. Something for the grandchildren. I don't know sitting AFK in space like that, almost like a bot he was, and he did not have a ganking permit, ah I mis-typed pos instead of pod, well a pos does not have implants, I will correct that, but in any case I would have thought you had the ability to make that alteration, CODE disappoints once again.... Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically no longer a themepark for gankers now that CCP have rebalanced key areas. Well done CCP
Coralas Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2016.05.20 06:27:17 - [178] - Quote Exaido wrote: CODE only seems to be active in very specific areas. ... mining doesn't seem to be too much of an issue if you are at the keyboard. ... If you feel you need to be at the keyboard, then CODE won.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2484	Posted - 2016.05.20 06:31:40 - [179] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: I don't know sitting AFK in space like that, almost like a bot he was, and he did not have a ganking permit, ah I mis-typed pos instead of pod, well a pos does not have implants, I will correct that, but in any case I would have thought you had the ability to make that alteration, CODE disappoints once again.... Usually yes, but since this was coming from you it would not be surprised if you actually tried to tell us a story about how you podded a POS. I am sure you did not even have to probe it, you find them by chance by dropping bookmarks mid-warp. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1627	Posted - 2016.05.20 06:36:53 - [180] - Quote Coralas wrote: Exaido wrote: CODE only seems to be active in very specific areas. ... mining doesn't seem to be too much of an issue if you are at the keyboard. ... If you feel you need to be at the keyboard, then CODE won. Sorry but you have to be at the keyboard to target another roid, it is not automatic like ratting with an Ishtar. I find it rather ironic that certain Goons who are part of this CODE thing or helped fund it would rat like that while decrying AFK miners, in fact it is utterly hilarious. Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically no longer a themepark for gankers now that CCP have rebalanced key areas. Well done CCP

Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1634	Posted - 2016.05.20 06:41:07 - [181] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Dracvlad wrote: I don't know sitting AFK in space like that, almost like a bot he was, and he did not have a ganking permit, ah I mis-typed pos instead of pod, well a pos does not have implants, I will correct that, but in any case I would have thought you had the ability to make that alteration, CODE disappoints once again.... Usually yes, but since this was coming from you it would not be surprised if you actually tried to tell us a story about how you podded a POS. I am sure you did not even have to probe it, you find them by chance by dropping bookmarks mid-warp. Showing your ignorance again, a pod cannot cloak so you can use probes and not have to go to extraordinary lengths to get on it, sisters combat probes did the job perfectly well thank you. Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically no longer a themepark for gankers now that CCP have rebalanced key areas. Well done CCP
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 307	Posted - 2016.05.20 08:18:05 - [182] - Quote To be fair, some folks will always downplay someone else's accomplishments. For example "yeaaaa but that's BLOPS, that's not l33t." or "dirty blobbers" - "that's ECM there's no honour in that!?" - "gatecamping is the easiest #NoSkill" - "yea but that's highsec merc bvllsh!t" - "doesn't count, those are nothing but cheap ganks against defenseless targets ...." Let me ask you this: whose fault is it the targets are defenseless, hm? Wanna know what I did? I started reusing an old toon of mine, dedicated some training to make it an antiganker, and I'm gonna have fun with it. Talk is cheap (and so are my ships looool). Go out there and do something about it it it offends you that much! CODE says they win if they can draw some attention to "the cause" and I guess we have to grant them credit for that. They also claim to "own" highsec but that, my friends, remains to be seen. Whhhiiiiiieeeeee!
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2488	Posted - 2016.05.20 08:20:59 - [183] - Quote Brokk Witgenstein wrote: I started reusing an old toon of mine, dedicated some training to make it an antiganker, and I'm gonna have fun with it. Talk is cheap (and so are my ships looool). Go out there and do something about it it it offends you that much! CODE says they win if they can draw some attention to "the cause" and I guess we have to grant them credit for that. They also claim to "own" highsec but that, my friends, remains to be seen. Whhhiiiiiieeeeee! Player status: retained Glad we can provide content the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 2516	Posted - 2016.05.20 09:42:57 - [184] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: I find it funny that you actually believe what the "New Order" is selling. I really don't have an issue with that, whatever you find to drive your motivation is cool by me. I am glad you now accept that people play the game for many reasons including for altruistic ones like the New Order does. Personally, I find it funny that people will log in to a multiplayer PvP game, optimize everything so they don't have to interact with another person, just to watch a meaningless number in a database climb ever higher. I mean, I get the psychology behind it, but there are so many other games you can do that in which you cannot lose yet they choose to so this in Eve where the developer has deliberately made them always vulnerable to the other players. If you aren't really going to play a spaceship PvP game for reasons other than to accumulate resources, or get mad when another player chooses to attack you, why are you playing Eve in the first place? If it is because they like to do something else in the game, they should just go do that something else. There is no shortage of more lucrative things to do in Eve than AFK highsec mining. Pandora Carrollon wrote: You are mistaken in thinking I am defending HiSec miners. I am not. I understand what they do and why they do it. I suggest you ACTUALLY study and ask HiSec miners why they do it. You might find it doesn't quite line up with what your beloved James and New Order says they do. Understanding the psychology is the typical highsec miner is not hard. You just seem to think they have the right to their compulsive bee-like gathering and building in New Eden even if they don't like shooting or being shot by other players while the New Order, and CCP reject this premise. Pandora, I sense you are not beyond redemption. You seem a reasonable person who is open to considering new ideas and I think your reluctance to accept the New Order world-view as genuine stems your misconception of what Eve Online is. Eve is not a happy sandbox where players can do whatever they want. It is a full-time, PvP sandbox where players can try to do whatever they want and may succeed if they can outwit or outplay the other players. This is spelled out clearly by CCP in the New Pilot FAQ: Quote: PVP (PLAYER VERSUS PLAYER) The essential core concept of EVE Online is that it is full time PvP in a sandbox environment. As has been mentioned in previous sections any player can engage another player at any time in any place. (p.22) Highsec miners (or anyone else) are not entitled to be left alone so they can min-max their way to an industrial empire (or just enough resources so they can engage in consensual PvP) as many of them assume or want. They are intended by the basic game design to have to defend their industry from attack from other players and account for their defense. This game design makes playing the game much more interesting than the simple calculation of max yield and exercise in spreadsheets industry would be if you did not have to account to the actions of the other players. Of course, this only works if some other group of players takes it upon themselves to be those attackers to generate that content and uncertainty, and that is one of the New Order's major purposes. Pandora Carrollon wrote: One final thought... Isn't it just a teeny, tiny bit arrogant to assume that any group of players in a sandbox has the right to try to dictate a certain play style on other players by force? Just a thought. Let me respond to that stealing a parable from Ima. Imagine that you and your friend were invited over to another friend's place one Friday to play board games, and your host pulls Monopoly off the shelf. As you are setting up, your friend announces to the room that they only like building house and hotels and thus the rules of the game will be changed so that they do not have to pay any rent or other fees if they land on an opponent's square. Your host objects, and said that is not now how the game was designed or is played but your friend insists and accuses the host of 'griefing' him by dictating him to play a 'certain playstyle' before storming out. Who is the one being arrogant here, the host or your friend? Why Do They Gank?
Lisbeth Riraille Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2016.05.20 10:05:21 - [185] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Pandora Carrollon wrote: I find it funny that you actually believe what the "New Order" is selling. I really don't have an issue with that, whatever you find to drive your motivation is cool by me. I am glad you now accept that people play the game for many reasons including for altruistic ones like the New Order does. Personally, I find it funny that people will log in to a multiplayer PvP game, optimize everything so they don't have to interact with another person, just to watch a meaningless number in a database climb ever higher. I mean, I get the psychology behind it, but there are so many other games you can do that in which you cannot lose yet they choose to so this in Eve where the developer has deliberately made them always vulnerable to the other players. If you aren't really going to play a spaceship PvP game for reasons other than to accumulate resources, or get mad when another player chooses to attack you, why are you playing Eve in the first place? Because doing what you describe is pvp. Me staying docked looking at spreadsheets, working the market, while you fail to kill me, is winning at pvp. As you say, Eve is all pvp. So is lobbying ccp for hisec gank-nerfs, btw. You can call it 'whining' if you like, but I call it content-provision. You're welcome. Btw, you don't need to keep roleplaying the 'altruism' bit. Most of your post made sense, it doesn't need the fake religion stuff.
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 309	Posted - 2016.05.20 10:54:10 - [186] - Quote Franky, I think I understand the "why" now. I even think they're right. Here's some simple ideas to get you started: (1) grab a Griffin. Disrupt gank in progress. (2) build yourself a 500Mn Omen. Bump freighters to safety. (3) get a cheapass Slasher. Point every -5 criminal coming through a gate just long enough for the facpo to finish the job (4) arty thrasher sits at zero at a gate. Blap all the reds. (5) blow up the wrecks. No loot for you today! (6) when the loot truck comes and goes suspect, tackle it and blow it skyhigh yeabois! (7) find obvious ganknado or bumpermach. Suicide gang him and politely "gf" in local I can think of more ways to pull it off, but for god's sake don't sit on yer asses. My only fear is that in fighting the scourge, one might become an even greater threat... because how long do you keep protecting the innocent before you ask for a small contribution for your trouble? How long till "protection money" ? How long till I insist gankers put My Ganking Permit in their bio if they want to conduct their business?
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2490	Posted - 2016.05.20 11:15:14 - [187] - Quote Lisbeth Riraille wrote: So is lobbying ccp for hisec gank-nerfs, btw. You can call it 'whining' if you like, but I call it content-provision. You're welcome. If you play Monopoly with someone else you agree to follow the rules the same as every other player. Calling Hasbro to change the rules of the game in your favor because you suck at the game is not part of the game. By crying to CCP for changes in your favor you clearly step out of the game. You even step outside the metagame. You are no longer a gamer if you do that. You are something else. Some crybaby on the internet perhaps, but not an EVE player who tries to play in the sandbox with other players. I agree that sometimes rules have to be changed because a game is not balanced. But such a request would be a proposal about what to change and how it would improve the game and make it more fun for everyone and not some rant about why you think a specific player group should be nerfed because they happened to interfere with your business when you did not expect it. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 2517	Posted - 2016.05.20 11:16:36 - [188] - Quote Lisbeth Riraille wrote: Because doing what you describe is pvp. Me staying docked looking at spreadsheets, working the market, while you fail to kill me, is winning at pvp. As you say, Eve is all pvp. That sounds like playing Eve to me. I also do the same when I am not out hunting other players and instead trading or building things. Avoiding getting killed is trivial in highsec but it is still a 'win' every time I dock my freighter safely, pull another Billion out of the market, or cook up another batch of Catalysts in my POS destined for a glorious death-by-CONCORD. Lisbeth Riraille wrote: So is lobbying ccp for hisec gank-nerfs, btw. You can call it 'whining' if you like, but I call it content-provision. You're welcome. No, that is just simple whining. Asking the game developer to change the rules in your advantage for the sole purpose of your own self-interest is deplorable. This game's most unique feature - the complex player-driven economy - would disappear if no-one could ever non-consensually lose their stuff. It saddens me that some players are so short-sighted and unable to see that the very thing that gives their industrial game play meaning, that is the permanence of loss and vulnerability to interference, is in large part provided by the gankers and wardeccers they lobby to get taken out of the game. Just play the game, or play something else. As you say it is near impossible to die in highsec if you know what you are doing. Isn't that safe enough? Or do you really want the ability to mine in complete safety given that your competitors will have the exact same ability to generate resources into the universe and devalue everything you have or will ever make? Lisbeth Riraille wrote: Btw, you don't need to keep roleplaying the 'altruism' bit. Most of your post made sense, it doesn't need the fake religion stuff. The 'fake' religion stuff is just part of our roles as space villains. The altruism I speak of is the real-world work players like us put in to keep highsec interesting a players engaged with the game. In case you haven't noticed, ganking miners is unprofitable yet we still go out there, day after day, providing some element of risk to at least the laziest types of play and being the 'bad guys' that highsec so desperately needs. Ok, it's not pure altruism. We do enjoy what we do, but every PvP game does need to have players on each side. Otherwise, playing in highsec would almost be as meaningless as playing on the test server with no opposition or no risk. Why Do They Gank?
Lisbeth Riraille Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2016.05.20 13:41:29 - [189] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Lisbeth Riraille wrote: So is lobbying ccp for hisec gank-nerfs, btw. You can call it 'whining' if you like, but I call it content-provision. You're welcome. If you play Monopoly with someone else you agree to follow the rules the same as every other player. Calling Hasbro to change the rules of the game in your favor because you suck at the game is not part of the game. Luckily, Eve is not Monopoly. Monopoly is IMO a broken game. Eve is not, and since it's been doing very well for over a decade now with such lobbying an ongoing and at times successful aspect of the metagame, I for one think it's a robust enough game to withstand any anti-lobbying lobbying from the likes of you :) Quote: By crying to CCP for changes in your favor you clearly step out of the game. You even step outside the metagame. You are no longer a gamer if you do that. You are something else. Some crybaby on the internet perhaps, but not an EVE player who tries to play in the sandbox with other players. The sandbox is larger than you seem to think, at least in this post. You are happy and eager to include the forum pvp in your meta when it suits you (the roleplaying stuff about CODE doing what they do for the benefit of the in-world aspects and mechanics), but what we have here is a rare occurrence of a CODE roleplayer coming out of your personal meta to comment 'from the outside'. It's interesting to me because I see the 'carebear whining' as you describe it as being firmly within the game too. As such, in a similar way to a ganker claiming a 'win' from effecting a tear-post on the forums, we can apply our own metric to pvp victory, in this case me apparently causing you to drop your RP face to comment as a normal customer. My immediate reaction to seeing your post was a smugly muttered 'boom, headshot!'. I don't as a customer say this with any vehemence directed towards you as a person (I assume you're a nice enough person in RL and suchlike), but in the meta I apply, I just won a victory. It's admittedly an entirely personal victory with no in-game measurable effect, but so are claims that because a miner trains up for anti-gank, CODE have scored a win on the forums. Quote: I agree that sometimes rules have to be changed because a game is not balanced. But such a request would be a proposal about what to change and how it would improve the game and make it more fun for everyone and not some rant about why you think a specific player group should be nerfed because they happened to interfere with your business when you did not expect it. The New Order's roleplay goal as described on minerbumping is not an actual real achievable endgoal. It's impossible that Eve will ever see a situation whereby every single miner in the game has a mining permit, because there will always be new players who don't read the forums who'll go mining, and get ganked etc, never mind the many vet miners who will never accede to the extortion. And as has been noted often, CODE doesn't really have that far a reach in hisec anyway. You guys wouldn't want a situation whereby you didn't have anyone to gank anyway. The static state of CODE vs Carebears is much the same now as it was 2 years ago, and it'll continue to be so. You gank a few miners etc, a few miners rage about it, life goes on. Likewise, I'm not foolish enough to assume that CCP will ever actually make hisec totally risk-free because of the 'tears' of hisec carebears like myself. But it's not against the rules of the game or the forums to call for nerfs to ganking, so such activity is within the meta whether or not you agree with it. Black Pedro wrote: Asking the game developer to change the rules in your advantage for the sole purpose of your own self-interest is deplorable. This game's most unique feature - the complex player-driven economy - would disappear if no-one could ever non-consensually lose their stuff. It saddens me that some players are so short-sighted and unable to see that the very thing that gives their industrial game play meaning, that is the permanence of loss and vulnerability to interference, is in large part provided by the gankers and wardeccers they lobby to get taken out of the game. The most interesting aspect of CODE's activities to me isn't actually the in-game ganking and extortion roleplay that goes on. It's the forum roleplaying justifications of the in-game activity. And by this I mean mostly the 'Praise James!' stuff that serves to cloud any 'discussions' of the phenomenon, but also the rare occurrences of CODE members coming out of the RP-world to try to explain stuff like ganking being a stopper on runaway resource creation and inflation etc. We get an ongoing mismatch of carebears trying to engage in 'sensible' discussions about hurting people's feelings etc and scaring off new players and all that malarkey, vs CODErs who mostly talk in character as 'space villains'. I have a sheet of A4 stuck to my wall above my monitor. It has a few reminders for me to view in the rare event that I'm ganked whilst hisec mining. In short, the overall advice in it is to broadly ignore the roleplaying of whoever ganked me, because after a short while in Eve, it's fairly easy to enjoy playing without being sent back to square 1 due to CODE. The trick is to generate personal win-conditions that aren't linked to stupid stuff like killboards and loot. The meta of forum pvp can provide that sort of content, and it's clear from CODE's posts that they agree. I think it just boils down to personal opinion as to how deep the meta goes.
Spine Ripper New Order Logistics CODE. 41	Posted - 2016.05.20 13:53:30 - [190] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: One final thought... Isn't it just a teeny, tiny bit arrogant to assume that any group of players in a sandbox has the right to try to dictate a certain play style on other players by force? Just a thought. We have the right to do whatever we can accomplish as long as we don't violate CCP's EULA or TOS. In fact, dictating play style to other players is the core principle of Eve. For instance, the MBC is currently dictating to the Goons that their play style is former overlords of null. Its not arrogant to force your will upon other players. Not if you can actually do it that is. And we can. On the other hand you have the miners. Their claim is that they are somehow so useful to the game that they deserve protection without actually using the many tools they already have. They claim their very defenselessness as a justification to not be bothered. They use what is called "The Tyranny of the Weak" where they use their very helplessness as a claim upon the strong. It is in no way arrogant to show these players that their role is as targets for the pvpers. That they are on the bottom of the Eve food chain. That the ore and ice they gather is of no import to anyone but themselves and that their ISK does't buy them respect. Besides all this. James 315, the Supreme Protector and the Savior of Highsec, is the most humble man in all of Eve. The magnanimous way he reaches out to highsec miners, who most of us just find comtemptible and beastial, has transformed many of us Agents. Where before we used to kill miners just because we despised them and their mewling, James has convinced us to kill them for their own good. Whenever I blap a mining ship or blast a pod 20 systems away to their rookie home I send along my best wishes for their Eve future and a belief that they CAN be saved, that they CAN be a better player and that they WILL continue to die until this happens. The warm feeling this inspires in me is a gift. I just hope I don't embarrass James by praising him as he shuns the spotlight so much. Praise James. All Highsec miners must follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct or be subject to bumping or ganking.-á No permit, no mining. www.minerbumping.com

Trace Kel'le Royal Industrial Co. Silent Requiem 0	Posted - 2016.05.20 14:02:25 - [191] - Quote Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Franky, I think I understand the "why" now. I even think they're right. Here's some simple ideas to get you started: (1) grab a Griffin. Disrupt gank in progress. (2) build yourself a 500Mn Omen. Bump freighters to safety. (3) get a cheapass Slasher. Point every -5 criminal coming through a gate just long enough for the facpo to finish the job (4) arty thrasher sits at zero at a gate. Blap all the reds. (5) blow up the wrecks. No loot for you today! (6) when the loot truck comes and goes suspect, tackle it and blow it skyhigh yeabois! (7) find obvious ganknado or bumpermach. Suicide gang him and politely "gf" in local I can think of more ways to pull it off, but for god's sake don't sit on yer asses. My only fear is that in fighting the scourge, one might become an even greater threat... because how long do you keep protecting the innocent before you ask for a small contribution for your trouble? How long till "protection money" ? How long till I insist gankers put My Ganking Permit in their bio if they want to conduct their business? Heres the thing you gather miner corps into your alliance and you actually provide protection in exchange for a small tax. Thats not extortion, thats what private security/police do. Many miners will happily join a strong alliance who will provide them some measure of protection from CODE and goons not to mention belt cleaning multiboxers. Theres an old saying from the end of the 18th century "Millions for Defense not one cent for tribute"
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 276	Posted - 2016.05.20 15:16:00 - [192] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: we just enforce some common sense rules and try to improve good behaviour. ^^^^^^ THIS is dictating a play style... in case you missed it. ^^^^^^ (You also forgot extort and shakedown defenseless ships but that's trivial so we'll over look it...) (and yes, that was an internally inconsistent comment for comedic purposes) Ima Wreckyou wrote: I am not sure why anyone gets so upset about this. I mean there are a lot of other areas where we don't claim ownership. If you don't like it in Highsec and want to do whatever you want, go mine in null. CODE doesn't own HiSec, in fact, you guys operate in extremely limited HiSec systems. This is why nobody that has actually been in HiSec for more than a month is upset by you guys. This is why I pointed out that your actions are really only going to bug newbies, possibly driving them from the game but I'll let Black Pedro's studies suggest that it also might not be that way and I could be entirely wrong. Toodles! On to other fun but I'll check in from time to time as this thread has been fun! Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 26156	Posted - 2016.05.20 15:18:56 - [193] - Quote Trace Kel'le wrote: Heres the thing you gather miner corps into your alliance and you actually provide protection in exchange for a small tax. Thats not extortion, thats what private security/police do. Many miners will happily join a strong alliance who will provide them some measure of protection from CODE and goons not to mention belt cleaning multiboxers. Theres an old saying from the end of the 18th century "Millions for Defense not one cent for tribute" Hardly anybody is going to ride shotgun with hisec miners, doing so is very nearly as boring as mining itself; the only probable exception is a corp that's wardecced, they might ride shotgun in the hope of some WTs to shoot at. The only places an escort could hope to see any action from CODE. and the like is if you mine in a system where they're active, and if you've got an escort they'll either leave you alone, gank the escorts if they're worth the outlay and/or smartbomb the crap out of you; although the question must be asked why would you mine in a system where CODE. is known to be active in the first place?. Get off the beaten track/8-10 or so jumps from a hub or trade route and you don't have to worry about gankers, or even other miners in some cases; I've had hisec systems with multiple belts to myself for days on end. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Sustrai Aditua Irubo Kovu 219	Posted - 2016.05.20 18:38:42 - [194] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: By crying to CCP for changes in your favor you clearly step out of the game. You even step outside the metagame. You are no longer a gamer if you do that. You are something else. Some crybaby on the internet perhaps, but not an EVE player who tries to play in the sandbox with other players. LOL. You CODE weenies. You've begun to believe yourselves. (Tries not to point out this massive POS vs. Citadel alteration due to public opinion...various nerfings of various items at various times...why point this out to one who KNOWS SO VERY MUCH???) Ima Wreckyou wrote: I agree that sometimes rules have to be changed because a game is not balanced. OMG! YOU...contradicted yourself... IN THE SAME POST??? Pee on the dogs and call in the fire! Ima Wreckyou wrote: But such a request would be a proposal about what to change and how it would improve the game and make it more fun for everyone and not some rant about why you think a specific player group should be nerfed because they happened to interfere with your business when you did not expect it. Talk about ranting...you do it so well...I'm not surprised you readily recognize this in others! Which reminds me...I know of several high sec systems that CODE tried to "own". They were sent packing. Ran off whimpering with their tails planted firmly between their hindquarters, and have NEVER returned. Amazing what a few experienced, MATURE miners can do to a gang of juveniles. Having said that. I have to admit I did buy a CODE permit. I took a picture of it so people can counterfeit one if they like. My CODE Mining Permit (Right-click link. Open in new tab or window. This forum works so well. It's state of the art (as long as the art is cave painting.) If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 26156	Posted - 2016.05.20 19:23:49 - [195] - Quote Sustrai Aditua wrote: (Right-click link. Open in new tab or window. This forum works so well. It's state of the art (as long as the art is cave painting.) It's not that the forum doesn't work, it's that your bbcode isn't recognised by it, which breaks the link. Not all forums support the full range of bbcode that is available, alignment tags on a link being one that doesn't work here. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Spine Ripper New Order Logistics CODE. 43	Posted - 2016.05.20 19:47:52 - [196] - Quote Sustrai Aditua wrote: Having said that. I have to admit I did buy a CODE permit. I took a picture of it so people can counterfeit one if they like. My CODE Mining Permit (Right-click link. Open in new tab or window. This forum works so well. It's state of the art (as long as the art is cave painting.) I'm glad you actually bought your permit. There is nothing more pathetic than someone who would put a fake permit in their bio. I mean, think about it. The permit declares your support for James 315 and the New Order of Highsec. But the faker thinks, oh yeah! I saved 10 million ISK. We don't want the ISK. We want the support. Fake away. All Highsec miners must follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct or be subject to bumping or ganking.-á No permit, no mining. www.minerbumping.com
Sustrai Aditua Irubo Kovu 219	Posted - 2016.05.20 21:38:34 - [197] - Quote Spine Ripper wrote: I'm glad you actually bought your permit. There is nothing more pathetic than someone who would put a fake permit in their bio. I mean, think about it. The permit declares your support for James 315 and the New Order of Highsec. But the faker thinks, oh yeah! I saved 10 million ISK. We don't want the ISK. We want the support. Fake away. Thanks for proving my point for me. Can you spell "zooom"? Jonah Gravenstein wrote: It's not that the forum doesn't work, it's that your bbcode isn't recognised by it, which breaks the link. Not all forums support the full range of bbcode that is available, alignment tags on a link being one that doesn't work here. Well...the thing is, it's not my BBCode. I highlighted and selected the operation button provided by management. If it's anybody's code, it's theirs. If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 282	Posted - 2016.05.21 00:04:55 - [198] - Quote I'm sorry this is after all the other stuff, this post just floors me so it's been hard to respond to. Black Pedro wrote: I am glad you now accept that people play the game for many reasons including for altruistic ones like the New Order does. Personally, I find it funny that people will log in to a multiplayer PvP game, optimize everything so they don't have to interact with another person, just to watch a meaningless number in a database climb ever higher. I mean, I get the psychology behind it, but there are so many other games you can do that in which you cannot lose yet they choose to so this in Eve where the developer has deliberately made them always vulnerable to the other players. If you aren't really going to play a spaceship PvP game for reasons other than to accumulate resources, or get mad when another player chooses to attack you, why are you playing Eve in the first place? I have always accepted that people play for many reasons. I'm not the one trying to put EVE and it's players with their playstyles in a box here. You pass judgment on a VALID play style because you don't comprehend it, your own words destroy your very argument. You assume that EVE is a spaceship PvP game. It's SOOOO much more. The entire New Order propaganda machine and all its players are so set in their mindsets that they can't even see how big the game really is! That is what I find disturbing here. I advise against being stuck on an artificially constructed concept such as PvE, since you accept that the game is PvP. If you wipe the PvE concept out of your brain, I think you'll have a clearer picture of the game and the place of HiSec, LoSec, and NullSec. Black Pedro wrote: Understanding the psychology is the typical highsec miner is not hard. You just seem to think they have the right to their compulsive bee-like gathering and building in New Eden even if they don't like shooting or being shot by other players while the New Order, and CCP reject this premise. No, CCP does not reject that play style, just the New Order. If CCP rejected it, it wouldn't exist... period. The assumption that you give to the psychology and the only reason you define for being a HiSec miner tells me far more about your willingness to actually discover why they do what they do. I do not mine HiSec for the reason you stated, not even close. Few miners would agree to that. Like you say, it's boring. Mining is a means to an end. Quote: PVP (PLAYER VERSUS PLAYER) The essential core concept of EVE Online is that it is full time PvP in a sandbox environment. As has been mentioned in previous sections any player can engage another player at any time in any place. (p.22) Congrats, this just states what I've said since week 3. No argument here. Problems with the below: Black Pedro wrote: ]Let me respond to that by stealing a parable from Ima. Imagine that you and your friend were invited over to another friend's place one Friday to play board games, and your host pulls Monopoly off the shelf. As you are setting up, your friend announces to the room that they only like building house and hotels and thus the rules of the game will be changed so that they do not have to pay any rent or other fees if they land on an opponent's square. Your host objects, and said that is not how the game was designed or is played but your friend insists and accuses the host of 'griefing' him by dictating to him to play a 'certain playstyle' before storming out. Who is the one being arrogant here, the host or your friend? Improper parable and the allegory fails to meet the sniff test. Monopoly is not a sandbox game, it has clearly defined rules. All this tells me is that CODE and it's members are trying to put HiSec in a box that is defined by CODE and has rules defined by CODE. This is precisely my point about forcing a certain play style on other players and shows the extremism I'm talking about. Roleplaying aside, this is the dangerous aspect of playing like this and it's just as bad as HiSec miners whining for more protection. I don't like either direction it heads. Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 2519	Posted - 2016.05.21 12:31:56 - [199] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: You pass judgment on a VALID play style because you don't comprehend it, your own words destroy your very argument. You assume that EVE is a spaceship PvP game. It's SOOOO much more. CCP says the "core concept of EVE Online is that it is full time PvP in a sandbox environment." That means Eve is a PvP sandbox game, one centered around spaceship combat. What is this "more" you referring to? The lore? I guess in this sense it is more as there are books, other video games, and so forth based on the game universe but Eve Online as a game is a PvP sandbox game. If we are discussing game mechanics there is nothing more. Of course you can play Eve without seeking out or engaging in spaceship combat, but the essential core concept is that spaceship combat can find you. That's what "full-time PvP sandbox" means. So yes, Eve as an idea is more than just Eve Online the game, but Eve Online the game is not a loosey-goosey piece of concept art that can be whatever you want. It is a PvP spaceship game with specific rules including the concept that you never should be completely safe anywhere in space. I completely understand that some players play in this universe to do things unrelated to spaceship combat, but the whole point of the game is that everyone is vulnerable to everyone else (in fact, this is in the name Everybody vs. Everybody). Claiming that if someone isn't motivated by spaceship combat that they should have the right to remove themselves as a target is anathema to the central idea of Eve and incompatible with the design of the game. Playing only as an industrialist (AKA the rabbit) is a perfect valid play-style I pass no judgment on. If you enjoy ninja-ing resources and thumbing your nose at the predators, more power to you. I used to do that all the time huffing gas in wormholes and found it thrilling. I only pass judgment on those that claim that the game should be changed so they can do their industrial work in absolute safety. Those are the true carebears whose sense of entitlement to retain the ability to change the Eve universe while being immune from the other players that I abhor. Their demands are not only incompatible with the original game design (Everybody vs. Everybody)), they actively destroy the game by making PvP only consensual. There can be no safe-space in a sandbox game or everyone will just move there to produce resources leaving no targets for the non-consensual PvP that is at the core of Eve Online. Pandora Carrollon wrote: No, CCP does not reject that play style, just the New Order. If CCP rejected it, it wouldn't exist... period. Yes they did. I think we have crossed a wire here though. I am referring to the ability to mine in absolute safety, not mining itself. Clearly CCP supports pure industrial play and has spent much effort (albeit not lately) developing industrial and mining game play. But all resource generation, even PI, requires players to be at risk in space. This is what I mean when I say CCP has rejected the playstyle where an industrialist can ignore providing for their defence. CCP always puts the generator of resources into the game universe at risk to the other players as that is the central design of the game. Pandora Carrollon wrote: Improper parable and the allegory fails to meet the sniff test. Monopoly is not a sandbox game, it has clearly defined rules. All this tells me is that CODE and it's members are trying to put HiSec in a box that is defined by CODE and has rules defined by CODE. This is precisely my point about forcing a certain play style on other players and shows the extremism I'm talking about. There is no extremism. The New Order is playing the game as designed. Both Monopoly and Eve Online have clearly defined rules - you do not get to decide how much damage your battleship will do or how much ore your miner will harvest per cycle, that is set out in the rules set by CCP. The rules of Eve Online are designed such that players can impose their will on each other. Again, that is the central core concept of the game. I think you are confusing two things, the role-playing aspect of the space villains that are the New Order, and the motivations of the real people behind the space villains. Fair enough, we tend to switch back and forth from our space cultist personas to our real-world personalities freely on these forums. So yes, the space villains in us are trying to put Highsec in a box and impose are own rules there. We purposely act pompous, make up rules, and claim the right to dictate how to play the game in our territory. That is a conceit we use to define our opponents and force them to pick a side, thus generating content and telling our own story. But I as the real person don't care how you play - you pay the subscription. But play the game as it was designed. Play as a rabbit, play as wolf, play as a pacifist, play as a pirate. But don't claim you have the right to play some other game (like a space-themed version of Farmville) when you are actually playing the full-time PvP sandbox that is Eve Online. Eve is about struggling against the other players and making your own stories and for that, you have to be vulnerable to the other players. Yes, that includes even the lowly highsec miner who is only interested in building, and has no desire to ever shoot another player. This is a core Eve idea of everyone always being interconnected and vulnerable and sharing a single universe is something I do care about. This is what Eve is. The New Order is dedicated to keeping New Eden 'real' by being the villains of highsec and serving as the agents of risk as intended by the game developer. Comply with our rules, or actively rebel and fight us - it's all good. We win either way, like we always do, because through our actions we have made content-starved highsec a more interesting place. Why Do They Gank?
Nitshe Razvedka 820	Posted - 2016.05.21 13:25:26 - [200] - Quote [quote=Pandora Carrollon] You pass judgment on a VALID play style because you don't comprehend it, your own words destroy your very argument. Pandora Carrollon YOU WIN A CHOCOLATE FREEDO!!! First person to read past the first paragraph of a Black Pedro gibberish sermon!!! almost took the freedo away for wasting your time responding Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS. Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.

Spine Ripper New Order Logistics CODE. 44	Posted - 2016.05.21 16:31:54 - [201] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: . This is what Eve is. The New Order is dedicated to keeping New Eden 'real' by being the villains of highsec and serving as the agents of risk as intended by the game developer. Comply with our rules, or actively rebel and fight us - it's all good. We win either way, like we always do, because through our actions we have made content-starved highsec a more interesting place. I don't know about you but I'm a good guy. A sorely put upon, against all odds, ready to reach out to my fellow Eve player with a helping Light Neutron Blaster II, Hero of Highsec. And that's how the history of highsec will read once we victors finish writing it. All Highsec miners must follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct or be subject to bumping or ganking.-á No permit, no mining. www.minerbumping.com
Ka Plaa Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning 257	Posted - 2016.05.21 16:48:01 - [202] - Quote Truly you are a shining Knight, Spiny friend. "The Crowd Is Untruth" - Kierkegaard
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 2520	Posted - 2016.05.21 17:09:16 - [203] - Quote Spine Ripper wrote: Black Pedro wrote: . This is what Eve is. The New Order is dedicated to keeping New Eden 'real' by being the villains of highsec and serving as the agents of risk as intended by the game developer. Comply with our rules, or actively rebel and fight us - it's all good. We win either way, like we always do, because through our actions we have made content-starved highsec a more interesting place. I don't know about you but I'm a good guy. A sorely put upon, against all odds, ready to reach out to my fellow Eve player with a helping Light Neutron Blaster II, Hero of Highsec. And that's how the history of highsec will read once we victors finish writing it. Of course I'm a good guy. Once I was a simple pirate, but then I found a cause greater than myself and through the enlightenment of James 315, put aside my evil ways and was reborn. I now dedicate my time to bringing light to highsec by enforcing the Code, generating content for the contentless, and saving highsec from the worst inclinations of the carebear menace. Sometimes being a hero isn't easy, but highsec isn't going to save itself. Why Do They Gank?
Cagot Zendian Solutions 14	Posted - 2016.05.21 17:34:28 - [204] - Quote Solution: mine in a tanked Skiff, and only in a belt with Retrievers, Mackinaws or Hulks. It's like in scuba diving: you don't need to swim faster than the shark - just faster than your buddy.
Nitshe Razvedka 821	Posted - 2016.05.21 18:04:20 - [205] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Spine Ripper wrote: Black Pedro wrote: . This is what Eve is. The New Order is dedicated to keeping New Eden 'real' by being the villains of highsec and serving as the agents of risk as intended by the game developer. Comply with our rules, or actively rebel and fight us - it's all good. We win either way, like we always do, because through our actions we have made content-starved highsec a more interesting place. I don't know about you but I'm a good guy. A sorely put upon, against all odds, ready to reach out to my fellow Eve player with a helping Light Neutron Blaster II, Hero of Highsec. And that's how the history of highsec will read once we victors finish writing it. Of course I'm a good guy. Once I was a simple pirate, but then I found a cause greater than myself and through the enlightenment of James 315, put aside my evil ways and was reborn. I now dedicate my time to bringing light to highsec by enforcing the Code, generating content for the contentless, and saving highsec from the worst inclinations of the carebear menace. Sometimes being a hero isn't easy, but highsec isn't going to save itself. Understand I am not responding directly to anything you have written. Merely using this space and opportunity to give the people a great quote to dine on; My dear, accept this dedication; it is given over, as it were, blindfolded, but therefore undisturbed by any consideration, in sincerity. Who you are, I know not; where you are, I know not; what your name is, I know not. Yet you are my hope, my joy, my pride, and my unknown honor.It comforts me, that the right occasion is now there for you; which I have honestly intended during my labor and in my labor. For if it were possible that reading what I write became worldly custom, or even to give oneself out as having read it, in the hope of thereby winning something in the world, that then would not be the right occasion, since, on the contrary, misunderstanding would have triumphed, and it would have also deceived me, if I had not striven to prevent such a thing from happening. In short; "The task must be made difficult, for only the difficult inspires the noble-hearted" In Eve as in the heavens and on the planet you my inhabit. Choose the right path for your self and soul not necessarily the easiest. Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS. Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
Lisbeth Riraille Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2016.05.21 18:57:12 - [206] - Quote In regard to the post from one of the RPers last page about 'play the game the way it was intended' etc, deploring anti-gamk lobbying, I'd like to point out that feedback is welcomed by the devs, and anything other than 'this is fine' is by definition lobbying for a change to the game mechanics. There's a dude complaining about the jumpgate lightning animation doing his head in, there're others protesting daily opportunities, or calling for the new camera to be tweaked so it's more like the old one, or suggesting ways to alter the bounty system. The forums have long been full of players asking for change. All of those people are by CODEs definition not following the mantra 'play the game the way it was intended'. Unless... Unless, like me, you realise that changes to the game that come about from player requests are just as much 'intended' as those that are the sole invention of the devs. We generate content when our feedback changes the game. 'Nerf gankers in hisec, please, CCP!' is just feedback. And feedback is WAI.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2494	Posted - 2016.05.22 11:23:50 - [207] - Quote Lisbeth Riraille wrote: I am bad at the game so I just cry really hard and hope CCP changes it in my favor CCP repeatedly nerfed ganking over the years and it did nothing except that the remaining players banded together and started to kill even more miners as a response to the nerfs. This is not "poor miner" vs. "evil ganker". This is "clueless bad player" vs "a gamer with interest in the game mechanics". No change will eradicate us. The safer the carebears feel because of the nerfs the more they will stuff into their freighters, the more bling they will fit to their mining ships and the more it will hurt them if they get killed by our blessed anti-matter. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Lisbeth Riraille Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2016.05.22 13:46:27 - [208] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Lisbeth Riraille wrote: I am bad at the game so I just cry really hard and hope CCP changes it in my favor CCP repeatedly nerfed ganking over the years and it did nothing except that the remaining players banded together and started to kill even more miners as a response to the nerfs. Excellent. I'm very happy to be part of a group that's enabled this to happen. It's a shame that in an MMO, gankers should have to be forced to seek out other players in the way you describe, but some people just don't play the game properly until they're shown how to. You're welcome.
Gardav Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2016.05.22 14:16:13 - [209] - Quote Oh Look! Fishermen fishing for the "Miners" fish! Too bad nobody told them that if they intend to catch a boat load of "fish" they need to sit down in that "boat" of theirs and be quiet... or they'll scare away many of the fish. and scared "fish" don't openly admit on exit surveys they got scared away (un-subscribed) because other Players "over fished" them (CODE's program). Nope... too embarrassing to admit that for most players.... CCP will never know just how many customers they have lost through the years because of these noisy fishermen. Players can point to this report and that survey and never will anyone know the whole truth of it. But I, as one of these scared "fish" I have a pretty good idea why I and perhaps why many of the rest of the school swam away. Sure I'm swimming around again but as usual here are these noisy fishermen again, time to get scared away again. Too bad for CCP and those former "fish". Too bad for me. It's simply not worth it to swim in this pond with these fishermen rocking their boat and making waves and hooting and hollaring. Can't enjoy the pond with all the mud in the water and the noise. Time to swim down the creek to another pond. At least the fishermen still seem to be having a good time. Must have brought beer.
Iain Cariaba 3039	Posted - 2016.05.22 15:01:52 - [210] - Quote Gardav wrote: Oh Look! Fishermen fishing for the "Miners" fish! Too bad nobody told them that if they intend to catch a boat load of "fish" they need to sit down in that "boat" of theirs and be quiet... or they'll scare away many of the fish. and scared "fish" don't openly admit on exit surveys they got scared away (un-subscribed) because other Players "over fished" them (CODE's program). Nope... too embarrassing to admit that for most players.... CCP will never know just how many customers they have lost through the years because of these noisy fishermen. Players can point to this report and that survey and never will anyone know the whole truth of it. But I, as one of these scared "fish" I have a pretty good idea why I and perhaps why many of the rest of the school swam away. Sure I'm swimming around again but as usual here are these noisy fishermen again, time to get scared away again. Too bad for CCP and those former "fish". Too bad for me. It's simply not worth it to swim in this pond with these fishermen rocking their boat and making waves and hooting and hollaring. Can't enjoy the pond with all the mud in the water and the noise. Time to swim down the creek to another pond. At least the fishermen still seem to be having a good time. Must have brought beer. Be sure to contract me all your stuff and isk before you leave. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?

Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2496	Posted - 2016.05.22 17:38:54 - [211] - Quote Gardav wrote: and scared "fish" don't openly admit on exit surveys they got scared away (un-subscribed) because other Players "over fished" them (CODE's program). Nope... too embarrassing to admit that for most players.... CCP will never know just how many customers they have lost through the years because of these noisy fishermen. So it does not matter that CCP actually checked and found that ganked players where the most likely to keep playing EVE contrary to what carebear apologists like you told them in every thread. You just pretend the players who quit all lied? the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1641	Posted - 2016.05.22 17:56:12 - [212] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Gardav wrote: and scared "fish" don't openly admit on exit surveys they got scared away (un-subscribed) because other Players "over fished" them (CODE's program). Nope... too embarrassing to admit that for most players.... CCP will never know just how many customers they have lost through the years because of these noisy fishermen. So it does not matter that CCP actually checked and found that ganked players where the most likely to keep playing EVE contrary to what carebear apologists like you told them in every thread. You just pretend the players who quit all lied? You are referring to a survey of 15 day old players in basically their trial period, a very small and specific sample. Any one who has done statistics will just laugh at your extrapolation. COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
Areen Sassel 103	Posted - 2016.05.22 20:38:22 - [213] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: So it does not matter that CCP actually checked and found that ganked players where the most likely to keep playing EVE contrary to what carebear apologists like you told them in every thread. You just pretend the players who quit all lied? You are referring to a survey of 15 day old players in basically their trial period, a very small and specific sample. Any one who has done statistics will just laugh at your extrapolation. Mmm. On the other hand, we might be wary of speculation that the opposite is true based on even less evidence.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1645	Posted - 2016.05.23 06:45:55 - [214] - Quote Areen Sassel wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: So it does not matter that CCP actually checked and found that ganked players where the most likely to keep playing EVE contrary to what carebear apologists like you told them in every thread. You just pretend the players who quit all lied? You are referring to a survey of 15 day old players in basically their trial period, a very small and specific sample. Any one who has done statistics will just laugh at your extrapolation. Mmm. On the other hand, we might be wary of speculation that the opposite is true based on even less evidence. Only CCP will know for sure and actions speak louder than words, because they revised the tanks of mining ships to the correct level so people who wanted to be difficult to kill could sit in something difficult to kill and accept a lower yield while those who wanted more yield could sit in something less tanky and take losses. The balance of mining ships is perfectly fine now and CODE can continue to butcher new miners who don't have the skill or knowledge to jump into the right ship. COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7753	Posted - 2016.05.23 07:07:59 - [215] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Gardav wrote: and scared "fish" don't openly admit on exit surveys they got scared away (un-subscribed) because other Players "over fished" them (CODE's program). Nope... too embarrassing to admit that for most players.... CCP will never know just how many customers they have lost through the years because of these noisy fishermen. So it does not matter that CCP actually checked and found that ganked players where the most likely to keep playing EVE contrary to what carebear apologists like you told them in every thread. You just pretend the players who quit all lied? That's not even what they found lol. Every time you guys mention that analysis (which was terribly done by the way) your interpretation of it changes. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers EVEolution. 443	Posted - 2016.05.23 07:23:46 - [216] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Lisbeth Riraille wrote: I am bad at the game so I just cry really hard and hope CCP changes it in my favor CCP repeatedly nerfed ganking over the years and it did nothing except that the remaining players banded together and started to kill even more miners as a response to the nerfs. This is not "poor miner" vs. "evil ganker". This is "clueless bad player" vs "a gamer with interest in the game mechanics". No change will eradicate us. The safer the carebears feel because of the nerfs the more they will stuff into their freighters, the more bling they will fit to their mining ships and the more it will hurt them if they get killed by our blessed anti-matter. what is it with you code guys trying to lay claim to pretty much every gank tactic that's been in EVE since year 1. 8 years ago or so,, me,, mr new guy, mate in game says this. the following ships get ganked all the time. alt scouts pods haulers miners ships that are full of bling or rare. nothings changed, just the excuse some give for doing it. so kids,,,, to sum things up. auto pilot = bad ignoring local = bad not using DS = bad flying what you can't afford to lose = bad afk in space = bad not setting some people to red (read ignoring local also) = bad not having friends = bad not setting your ship up right = bad not willing to learn your enemies tactics = bad i could go on and on but those few points will guide you through EVE without fail and will always be your best allie.
Christo Severasse Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 25	Posted - 2016.05.23 07:35:17 - [217] - Quote Tears, so many tears from both sides. Whine followed by counter whine. If I have the misfortune to have to spend time mining (I like to build as much of the stuff I use as I can) I would love CODE to turn up and relieve the monotony for a few minutes. I mine in a tank fit procurer with combat drones in the bay. I NEVER see them, but I'm ready, willing and able to protect myself. Think of Eve as the wild west (not the film, it was bad) in space. You'll find that helps you prepare better for undocking than wondering if you can manage to get your laundry done and dog walked before the belt depletes.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 2522	Posted - 2016.05.23 08:22:50 - [218] - Quote xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: what is it with you code guys trying to lay claim to pretty much every gank tactic that's been in EVE since year 1. 8 years ago or so,, me,, mr new guy, mate in game says this. the following ships get ganked all the time. alt scouts pods haulers miners ships that are full of bling or rare. nothings changed, just the excuse some give for doing it. No, you are wrong thing have changed. Highsec is mechanically safer than it ever has been, and still gets safer each year. Ganking, especially ganking for profit, is technically much more difficult than it was 8 years ago when, thanks to insurance, you could whelp a battleship and fail a gank and sometimes even still make a profit. It now requires dedication, organization, calculation and some practice to eek out a living as a ganker (and even that is not enough if you target miners as your prey), as compared to haphazard and profitable explosions anyone could participate in the early era of Eve. That said, you are right in that ships still get ganked all the time. No matter how much carebears whine, or how many nerfs they managed to get implemented due to their failure to even try to defend themselves, they are still going to die as is the central design of the game. CCP will keep rebalancing, but given ships are suppose to die in highsec, they are still going to die in highsec. If that stops, then CCP will put them at greater risk until they start dying again. Even miners still die, as the players (primarily one heroic one) have organized a SRP program to keep this game play alive. Highsec is extremely safe, almost perfectly safe if you spend any effort to defend yourself. You'd think after 13 years, carebears would get the message that they are indeed intended to have to do something to defend themselves in this PvP sandbox game instead of coming to the forums for the umpteenth time, asking CCP to save them from the bad people. Carebears: CCP isn't going to save you. You can whine and complain and beg and sometimes you will get bone tossed to you and a pat on the head from CCP in the form another small buff (which you will usually squander by loading more stuff into your ships), but CCP is always going to put you back out there in space with a bull's eye on your back as the game is intended to work. You are deliberately made content for the other players so it is up to you to do something to protect your space assets. Ganking is only going to increase from here. With every nerf to non-consensual PvP that CCP implements and each buff to highsec, targets dry up in the other spaces as players increasingly move to highsec to generate resources. Predators will follow and highsec residents will paradoxically be under more attack, not less as we go forward. Really, the only salvation for these poor highsec carebears is to get these non-carebear highsec squatters back out into the other spaces (so the predators will follow) by fixing the broken risk vs. reward income balance which CCP seems unwilling to do. This is waxing too philosophical now. The game is working more-or-less as intended. Bottom line: CCP purposely makes you content, CCP intends for ganking to exists, CCP has looked hard and has found ganking has no detrimental effect on new players, and carebears, CCP is not going to to save you. Stop your "think of the children" lobbying to be made safe and just play the game, or go play something else where you are not the content on offer for the other players. Why Do They Gank?
Geronimo McVain McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc 74	Posted - 2016.05.23 08:59:09 - [219] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: [quote=xxxTRUSTxxx] This is waxing too philosophical now. The game is working more-or-less as intended. Bottom line: CCP purposely makes you content, CCP intends for ganking to exists, CCP has looked hard and has found ganking has no detrimental effect on new players, and carebears, CCP is not going to to save you. Stop your "think of the children" lobbying to be made safe and just play the game, or go play something else where you are not the content on offer for the other players. The problem is not the ganking but that ALSO the criminals are protected by CONCORD. If they remove this it would get much better and more fun. Anti-Gankers can really fight gankers. We don't need more protection for the targets but less protection to the gankers. Something along the line of jump fatigue: 1 Kill: 1 day no help from Concord and no status loss, 2nd: 1 week, 3rd 1 month-> hello player content. At the moment a ganker fleet can follow a target from one end of high to the other. Even if you know what they intend the solution isn't player content, get a fleet together and biomass them, but game mechanic: docking and waiting till they target someone else. Another problem is that you can minmax the attack: Concord will be there within x seconds so we need y ships to kill the target within this timeframe. More unpredictable Concord reaction time might lure them to try it with less ships: maybe they are lucky but maybe not. At the moment if you are good you can spreadsheet the attack: With the given amount of ships we can guarantee the kill/don't stand a chance. Make it unsafer. Give barges more slots and the ability to spidertank. Do they put in these modules or did they fit for max ore? How long will be Concords reaction time?
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 311	Posted - 2016.05.23 09:05:15 - [220] - Quote Geronimo McVain wrote: The problem is not the ganking but that ALSO the criminals are protected by CONCORD. How do you figure that?

March rabbit Mosquito Squadron 1769	Posted - 2016.05.23 09:27:56 - [221] - Quote Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Geronimo McVain wrote: The problem is not the ganking but that ALSO the criminals are protected by CONCORD. How do you figure that? try to shoot that 'peaceful' destroyer sitting on gates waiting for pod to kill. You will find new mechanics for you: concord. And it does not help if you digged killboard and found out that this pilot kills 10 pod each day. He is protected until he aggressed. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Geronimo McVain McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc 74	Posted - 2016.05.23 09:36:48 - [222] - Quote Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Geronimo McVain wrote: The problem is not the ganking but that ALSO the criminals are protected by CONCORD. How do you figure that? I'm in a BS full with Deadspace modules to the brim and some lousy catalyst with the most notorious ganker flys by. What do you do? Do you engage him and loose you blinky ship to concord or do you just leave him alone? One of the things that keeps people inline RL is, that you can't tell how the others will react. If I **** of this girl in the subway someone might come to help her. In high you need to wardecc someone so you wave a big flag: here is the danger. That's exactly why you don't find this behaviour in low or Null. Anyone who is the hunter may be the target a second later. You are more cautious because it's all unpredictable. In high there is no reason for caution cause you can see it comming and even if you loose, it's not some shiny ship but a lousy cat with no shields and just some weapons. The miner puts 200+M Isk in danger, the freighter pilot 1+B and the ganker 20-30M ISK max. These ships are an easy kill for 90% of the other ships that fly around there but because of Concord they would loose an expansive ship just for the inconvenience of a ganker. So the ganker is save thanks to Concord.
Lisbeth Riraille Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2016.05.23 09:47:06 - [223] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: what is it with you code guys trying to lay claim to pretty much every gank tactic that's been in EVE since year 1. 8 years ago or so,, me,, mr new guy, mate in game says this. the following ships get ganked all the time. alt scouts pods haulers miners ships that are full of bling or rare. nothings changed, just the excuse some give for doing it. No, you are wrong thing have changed. Highsec is mechanically safer than it ever has been, and still gets safer each year. Ganking, especially ganking for profit, is technically much more difficult than it was 8 years ago when, thanks to insurance, you could whelp a battleship and fail a gank and sometimes even still make a profit. It now requires dedication, organization, calculation and some practice to eek out a living as a ganker (and even that is not enough if you target miners as your prey), as compared to haphazard and profitable explosions anyone could participate in the early era of Eve. That said, you are right in that ships still get ganked all the time. No matter how much carebears whine, or how many nerfs they managed to get implemented due to their failure to even try to defend themselves, they are still going to die as is the central design of the game. CCP will keep rebalancing, but given ships are suppose to die in highsec, they are still going to die in highsec. If that stops, then CCP will put them at greater risk until they start dying again. Even miners still die, as the players (primarily one heroic one) have organized a SRP program to keep this game play alive. Highsec is extremely safe, almost perfectly safe if you spend any effort to defend yourself. You'd think after 13 years, carebears would get the message that they are indeed intended to have to do something to defend themselves in this PvP sandbox game instead of coming to the forums for the umpteenth time, asking CCP to save them from the bad people. Carebears: CCP isn't going to save you. You can whine and complain and beg and sometimes you will get bone tossed to you and a pat on the head from CCP in the form another small buff (which you will usually squander by loading more stuff into your ships), but CCP is always going to put you back out there in space with a bull's eye on your back as the game is intended to work. You are deliberately made content for the other players so it is up to you to do something to protect your space assets. Ganking is only going to increase from here. With every nerf to non-consensual PvP that CCP implements and each buff to highsec, targets dry up in the other spaces as players increasingly move to highsec to generate resources. Predators will follow and highsec residents will paradoxically be under more attack, not less as we go forward. Really, the only salvation for these poor highsec carebears is to get these non-carebear highsec squatters back out into the other spaces (so the predators will follow) by fixing the broken risk vs. reward income balance which CCP seems unwilling to do. This is waxing too philosophical now. The game is working more-or-less as intended. Bottom line: CCP purposely makes you content, CCP intends for ganking to exists, CCP has looked hard and has found ganking has no detrimental effect on new players, and carebears, CCP is not going to to save you. Stop your "think of the children" lobbying to be made safe and just play the game, or go play something else where you are not the content on offer for the other players. Mr Pedro, I would recommend you try to ignore the carebear anti-ganking lobbying, as it's not going away anytime soon, and it seems to infuriate you to post so much about it. I would recommend this, but... Just as the carebear sode of the debate needs to continue to be visible and vocal in their trumpeting of their cause, lest CCP forget they are here, so too do gankers. The eternal struggle creates balance. If hisec ever did become totally safe, Eve would indeed be a different game. But it would also be a different game if hisec became nullsec. And nobody wants that.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2496	Posted - 2016.05.23 09:51:39 - [224] - Quote Geronimo McVain wrote: I'm in a BS full with Deadspace modules to the brim and some lousy catalyst with the most notorious ganker flys by. What do you do? Do you engage him and loose you blinky ship to concord or do you just leave him alone? You greet him in local and wish him a good day. Then you send him some ISK because you are glad he protects Highsec from the real criminals. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 2523	Posted - 2016.05.23 09:51:43 - [225] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Geronimo McVain wrote: The problem is not the ganking but that ALSO the criminals are protected by CONCORD. How do you figure that? try to shoot that 'peaceful' destroyer sitting on gates waiting for pod to kill. You will find new mechanics for you: concord. And it does not help if you digged killboard and found out that this pilot kills 10 pod each day. He is protected until he aggressed. CCP spent a lot of effect designing the security status system which really does make repeat offenders 'outlaws' quite quickly and thus free-to-shoot. I recently had occasion to train up some new ganking alts, and within a day or two of enforcing the Code they were free to shoot and being chased by the faction police. Podding miners is especially punitive although still so satisfying one cannot help but do it and take the security status hit. If that doesn't work (or you tag up), a single act of highsec piracy still puts you at risk by giving a trade-able killright to your victim that also can 'turn off' CONCORD making you free-to-shoot. You also have a safety setting now that means you cannot accidentally get yourself CONCORDed anymore. If you are too scared to engage the outlaw ganker in the Catalyst that is not really a problem with the game, but rather you. There is very little or no protection of regular gankers by CONCORD (and if they haven't ganked before, how do you propose to determine their intent to start?). That is not a problem. If any problem exists it is the faction police which keep these outlaws from spending any time in space and thus being a target for those who wish to hunt them. Why Do They Gank?
Pak Narhoo Splinter Foundation 1712	Posted - 2016.05.23 09:54:04 - [226] - Quote Lisbeth Riraille wrote: Mr Pedro, I would recommend you try to ignore the carebear anti-ganking lobbying, as it's not going away anytime soon, and it seems to infuriate you to post so much about it. I would recommend this, but... Just as the carebear sode of the debate needs to continue to be visible and vocal in their trumpeting of their cause, lest CCP forget they are here, so too do gankers. The eternal struggle creates balance. If hisec ever did become totally safe, Eve would indeed be a different game. But it would also be a different game if hisec became nullsec. And nobody wants that. Spin it any way you want he and the poster above him are right. And you know it.
Lisbeth Riraille Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2016.05.23 09:56:33 - [227] - Quote Geronimo McVain wrote: Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Geronimo McVain wrote: The problem is not the ganking but that ALSO the criminals are protected by CONCORD. How do you figure that? I'm in a BS full with Deadspace modules to the brim and some lousy catalyst with the most notorious ganker flys by. What do you do? Do you engage him and loose you blinky ship to concord or do you just leave him alone? One of the things that keeps people inline RL is, that you can't tell how the others will react. If I **** of this girl in the subway someone might come to help her. In high you need to wardecc someone so you wave a big flag: here is the danger. That's exactly why you don't find this behaviour in low or Null. Anyone who is the hunter may be the target a second later. You are more cautious because it's all unpredictable. In high there is no reason for caution cause you can see it comming and even if you loose, it's not some shiny ship but a lousy cat with no shields and just some weapons. The miner puts 200+M Isk in danger, the freighter pilot 1+B and the ganker 20-30M ISK max. These ships are an easy kill for 90% of the other ships that fly around there but because of Concord they would loose an expansive ship just for the inconvenience of a ganker. So the ganker is save thanks to Concord. CODE says 'defend yourselves, miners!', hides behind skirts of Concorde.
Lisbeth Riraille Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2016.05.23 09:57:37 - [228] - Quote Pak Narhoo wrote: Lisbeth Riraille wrote: Mr Pedro, I would recommend you try to ignore the carebear anti-ganking lobbying, as it's not going away anytime soon, and it seems to infuriate you to post so much about it. I would recommend this, but... Just as the carebear sode of the debate needs to continue to be visible and vocal in their trumpeting of their cause, lest CCP forget they are here, so too do gankers. The eternal struggle creates balance. If hisec ever did become totally safe, Eve would indeed be a different game. But it would also be a different game if hisec became nullsec. And nobody wants that. Spin it any way you want he and the poster above him are right. And you know it. He knows I'm right too, but neither of us can admit it or we break the meta.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2497	Posted - 2016.05.23 09:58:36 - [229] - Quote Lisbeth Riraille wrote: CODE says 'defend yourselves, miners!', hides behind skirts of Concorde. Cry some tears to remove CONCORD then. I hear it's your kind of playstyle. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 312	Posted - 2016.05.23 10:30:01 - [230] - Quote FYI: The only thing hiding behind concord is the bumper, because he doesn't actually aggress. The loot truck? Goes suspect. The gankalysts? Are -5 or worse and can be shot on sight. the blapthrashers sitting at gates with positive sec status .... gee, might it be they're waiting for criminals to show up? Those are the ANTIgankers you f%$T****** dimw*** I repeat my question: which criminals are protected by concord?

Lisbeth Riraille Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2016.05.23 10:39:43 - [231] - Quote Brokk Witgenstein wrote: FYI: The only thing hiding behind concord is the bumper, because he doesn't actually aggress. The loot truck? Goes suspect. The gankalysts? Are -5 or worse and can be shot on sight. the blapthrashers sitting at gates with positive sec status .... gee, might it be they're waiting for criminals to show up? Those are the ANTIgankers you f%$T****** dimw*** I repeat my question: which criminals are protected by concord? The ones who rely on Concorde as enablers for their crimes, of course. James and his roleplay group in CODE won't try it in null because there's no concorde to protect them from being killed in their shieldless cats before they can start roleplaying.
Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7756	Posted - 2016.05.23 10:57:40 - [232] - Quote All of their logistics (as in moving their gank ships around) and scouts are protected by concord too. They want the easy-mode gameplay that enable them to only risk the disposable ships. Operating in null would mean everything needs to be protected. While they whine on that miners should have to protect themselves, the gankers actively avoid doing so, and they don't see the hypocrisy in that. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Tisiphone Dira New Order Logistics CODE. 864	Posted - 2016.05.23 11:27:59 - [233] - Quote Do as we say, not what unreliable sources say our alts do. I have it on good authority that our freighters fly round with affordable kill rights on them, as a mark of pride.
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 312	Posted - 2016.05.23 11:28:58 - [234] - Quote Lisbeth Riraille wrote: Brokk Witgenstein wrote: FYI: The only thing hiding behind concord is the bumper, because he doesn't actually aggress. The loot truck? Goes suspect. The gankalysts? Are -5 or worse and can be shot on sight. the blapthrashers sitting at gates with positive sec status .... gee, might it be they're waiting for criminals to show up? Those are the ANTIgankers you f%$T****** dimw*** I repeat my question: which criminals are protected by concord? The ones who rely on Concorde as enablers for their crimes, of course. James and his roleplay group in CODE won't try it in null because there's no concorde to protect them from being killed in their shieldless cats before they can start roleplaying. This is true- their "tactics" wouldn't work at all. Then again, nullbears and miners are capable of warping off when something dangerous approaches; nobody in his right mind flies regular freighters or Orcas over there because everyone is KOS. The long and short: highsec wouldn't be highsec without concord. The targets would be different, and CODE could fly any ship they choose rather than cheap suicide DPS. Whether CODE pilots would live up to null standards or not is .....questionable. But certainly not impossible. I presume? We'll never know I guess. It's obvious they like the target rich environment and easy logistics in highsec - otherwise they'd have gone null a long time ago.
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron 1769	Posted - 2016.05.23 11:49:01 - [235] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: March rabbit wrote: Brokk Witgenstein wrote: Geronimo McVain wrote: The problem is not the ganking but that ALSO the criminals are protected by CONCORD. How do you figure that? try to shoot that 'peaceful' destroyer sitting on gates waiting for pod to kill. You will find new mechanics for you: concord. And it does not help if you digged killboard and found out that this pilot kills 10 pod each day. He is protected until he aggressed. CCP spent a lot of effort designing the security status system which really does make repeat offenders 'outlaws' quite quickly and thus free-to-shoot. I recently had occasion to train up some new ganking alts, and within a day or two of enforcing the Code they were free to shoot and being chased by the faction police. Podding miners is especially punitive although still so satisfying one cannot help but do it and take the security status hit. google: eve online tag for security Black Pedro wrote: If that doesn't work (or you tag up), a single act of highsec piracy still puts you at risk by giving a trade-able killright to your victim that also can 'turn off' CONCORD making you free-to-shoot. what does killright worth if ganker alt is in space only between undocking and getting concordokken? And even if you can catch him with open killright it flies couple ISK ship or empty pod? Again: learn to the game mechanics. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Areen Sassel 106	Posted - 2016.05.23 12:39:02 - [236] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Black Pedro wrote: Podding miners is especially punitive although still so satisfying one cannot help but do it and take the security status hit. google: eve online tag for security Read what you're replying to. You literally quoted Black Pedro mentioning tags eight words after you supposed he didn't know about them. March rabbit wrote: Black Pedro wrote: If that doesn't work (or you tag up), a single act of highsec piracy still puts you at risk by giving a trade-able killright to your victim that also can 'turn off' CONCORD making you free-to-shoot. what does killright worth if ganker alt is in space only between undocking and getting concordokken? It's hardly remarkable that it's hard to shoot someone who's willing to spend almost no time in space, but you started by complaining about the unshootability of a destroyer sitting on a gate.
Lisbeth Riraille Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2016.05.23 13:07:03 - [237] - Quote So far in this bout of forum pvp, by my count, gankers are ahead of carebears, but there's just 2 points in it.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 26158	Posted - 2016.05.23 14:37:54 - [238] - Quote Geronimo McVain wrote: The problem is not the ganking but that ALSO the criminals are protected by CONCORD. ...I'm in a BS full with Deadspace modules to the brim and some lousy catalyst with the most notorious ganker flys by. What do you do? Do you engage him and loose you blinky ship to concord or do you just leave him alone? Really? Are you truly so ignorant of the crimewatch mechanic, the security status mechanic and how flagging works, that you believe this? Gankers, especially those who do it regularly receive no protection from Concord, they're generally flagged either as criminals or as outlaws, both of which mean you can shoot them in the face and Concord won't bat an eyelid or leave the doughnut stall. If they're notorious gankers they generally have a sec status that reflects that; which means, as above, you can shoot them in the face without intervention from Concord. March rabbit wrote: try to shoot that 'peaceful' destroyer sitting on gates waiting for pod to kill. You will find new mechanics for you: concord. And it does not help if you digged killboard and found out that this pilot kills 10 pod each day. He is protected until he aggressed. You should know better, if he kills 10 unflagged pods a day his sec status is pretty much fixed at -10, no matter how many tags get bought and redeemed. Lisbeth Riraille wrote: CODE says 'defend yourselves, miners!', hides behind skirts of Concorde. How? Once they hit a certain sec status Concord don't give two tosses if you shoot them in the face; most gankers wear their low sec status as a badge of honour in my experience. Their PvE and other alts, while Concord will visit retribution upon whomever attacks them without the appropriate flags, the players themselves will probably be taking active steps to avoid predators and thus don't tend to get caught; gankers know what it takes not to be ganked, they follow their own advice. Lisbeth Riraille wrote: The ones who rely on Concorde as enablers for their crimes, of course. James and his roleplay group in CODE won't try it in null because there's no concorde to protect them from being killed in their shieldless cats before they can start roleplaying. For Concord to be enablers they would have to be that which makes ganking possible; which they are not as ganking also happens in places where Concord don't exist. The enablers of ganking are CCP, they put in place the basic gameplay mechanic that allows you to shoot anybody in the face, at any time, anywhere in space (The Martini Option?) You're correct in that their hisec ganking tactics are extremely unlikely to work in nullsec; rumour has it that they often go to low and null on roams albeit it using a different play-book, where they shoot at stuff that (gasp) shoots back. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7760	Posted - 2016.05.23 14:47:20 - [239] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: [Really? Are you truly so ignorant of the crimewatch mechanic, the security status mechanic and how flagging works, that you believe this? Gankers, especially those who do it regularly receive no protection from Concord, they're generally flagged either as criminals or as outlaws, both of which mean you can shoot them in the face and Concord won't bat an eyelid or leave the doughnut stall. They also fly around in empty pods unless they are on a gank at which point they will be very difficult to catch even if you know where they are going. Jonah Gravenstein wrote: How? Once they hit a certain sec status Concord don't give two tosses if you shoot them in the face; most gankers wear their low sec status as a badge of honour in my experience. Their PvE and other alts, while Concord will visit retribution upon whomever attacks them without the appropriate flags, the players themselves will probably be taking active steps to avoid predators and thus don't tend to get caught; gankers know what it takes not to be ganked, they follow their own advice. How do gankers move all of their gank ships around to staging systems? Or move their loot to somewhere to sell? Or scout out a warp in for their gank ship? Or bump a freighter? You're pretending the only character used by a ganker is the gank alt itself, and you know this is generally false. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 26159	Posted - 2016.05.23 15:25:20 - [240] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: [Really? Are you truly so ignorant of the crimewatch mechanic, the security status mechanic and how flagging works, that you believe this? Gankers, especially those who do it regularly receive no protection from Concord, they're generally flagged either as criminals or as outlaws, both of which mean you can shoot them in the face and Concord won't bat an eyelid or leave the doughnut stall. They also fly around in empty pods unless they are on a gank at which point they will be very difficult to catch even if you know where they are going. That's not hiding behind Concord though is it? That's using game mechanics such as clones and bookmarks to minimise risk. Quote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: How? Once they hit a certain sec status Concord don't give two tosses if you shoot them in the face; most gankers wear their low sec status as a badge of honour in my experience. Their PvE and other alts, while Concord will visit retribution upon whomever attacks them without the appropriate flags, the players themselves will probably be taking active steps to avoid predators and thus don't tend to get caught; gankers know what it takes not to be ganked, they follow their own advice. How do gankers move all of their gank ships around to staging systems? Or move their loot to somewhere to sell? Or scout out a warp in for their gank ship? Or bump a freighter? You're pretending the only character used by a ganker is the gank alt itself, and you know this is generally false. I specifically mentioned alts, I've underlined it in the quote above especially for you as you appear to have blithely replied to my post without actually reading it. Logistics wise, 3rd parties or unassociated alts are used... duh. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.

kraken11 jensen ROOKS AND KRAKENS Requiem Eternal 99	Posted - 2016.05.23 15:30:06 - [241] - Quote 1 word, -> procurer. <- here is your solution
Lisbeth Riraille Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2016.05.23 15:36:52 - [242] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Geronimo McVain wrote: The problem is not the ganking but that ALSO the criminals are protected by CONCORD. ...I'm in a BS full with Deadspace modules to the brim and some lousy catalyst with the most notorious ganker flys by. What do you do? Do you engage him and loose you blinky ship to concord or do you just leave him alone? Really? Are you truly so ignorant of the crimewatch mechanic, the security status mechanic and how flagging works, that you believe this? Gankers, especially those who do it regularly receive no protection from Concord, are generally flagged either as criminals or as outlaws, both of which mean you can shoot them in the face and Concord won't bat an eyelid or leave the doughnut stall. If they're notorious gankers they generally have a sec status that reflects that; which means, as above, you can shoot them in the face without intervention from Concord. March rabbit wrote: try to shoot that 'peaceful' destroyer sitting on gates waiting for pod to kill. You will find new mechanics for you: concord. And it does not help if you digged killboard and found out that this pilot kills 10 pod each day. He is protected until he aggressed. You should know better, if he kills 10 unflagged pods a day his sec status is pretty much fixed at -10, no matter how many tags get bought and redeemed. Lisbeth Riraille wrote: CODE says 'defend yourselves, miners!', hides behind skirts of Concorde. How? Once they hit a certain sec status Concord don't give two tosses if you shoot them in the face; most gankers wear their low sec status as a badge of honour in my experience. Their PvE and other alts, while Concord will visit retribution upon whomever attacks them without the appropriate flags, the players themselves will probably be taking active steps to avoid predators and thus don't tend to get caught; gankers know what it takes not to be ganked, they follow their own advice. Lisbeth Riraille wrote: The ones who rely on Concorde as enablers for their crimes, of course. James and his roleplay group in CODE won't try it in null because there's no concorde to protect them from being killed in their shieldless cats before they can start roleplaying. For Concord to be enablers they would have to be that which makes ganking possible; which they are not as ganking also happens in places where Concord don't exist. The enablers of ganking are CCP, they put in place the basic gameplay mechanic that allows you to shoot anybody in the face, at any time, anywhere in space (The Martini Option?) You're correct in that their hisec ganking tactics are extremely unlikely to work in nullsec; rumour has it that they often go to low and null on roams albeit it using a different play-book, where they shoot at stuff that (gasp) shoots back. 'The Martini option' is an absolutely fantastic coinage :D
Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7764	Posted - 2016.05.23 15:37:29 - [243] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: That's not hiding behind Concord though is it? That's using game mechanics such as clones and bookmarks to minimise risk. Sure it's not, but it's makes the whole "shoot them in the face" suggestion a bit of a moot point. You'd literally spend more in ammo that they'd lose from losing their pod. Quote: I specifically mentioned alts, I've underlined it in the quote above especially for you as you appear to have blithely replied to my post without actually reading it. Logistics wise, 3rd parties or unassociated alts are used... duh. You did, which is why I thought it was weird that you still question how they were hiding behind concord. I certainly did read it, and I'm well aware that they follow their own advice and know how to not get ganked, but that still doesn't change the fact that they are flying in highsec with concord protection. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron 1770	Posted - 2016.05.23 16:00:24 - [244] - Quote Areen Sassel wrote: March rabbit wrote: Black Pedro wrote: If that doesn't work (or you tag up), a single act of highsec piracy still puts you at risk by giving a trade-able killright to your victim that also can 'turn off' CONCORD making you free-to-shoot. what does killright worth if ganker alt is in space only between undocking and getting concordokken? It's hardly remarkable that it's hard to shoot someone who's willing to spend almost no time in space, but you started by complaining about the unshootability of a destroyer sitting on a gate. I know, this is very difficult to spot, but these 2 posts talk about two completely different cases and problems. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 26160	Posted - 2016.05.23 16:32:33 - [245] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: You did, which is why I thought it was weird that you still question how they were hiding behind concord. I certainly did read it, and I'm well aware that they follow their own advice and know how to not get ganked, but that still doesn't change the fact that they are flying in highsec with concord protection. It was stated that gankers hide behind concord, not their alts; their alts do often fall under the umbrella of Concord, I said as much in my post. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7769	Posted - 2016.05.23 16:59:33 - [246] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: You did, which is why I thought it was weird that you still question how they were hiding behind concord. I certainly did read it, and I'm well aware that they follow their own advice and know how to not get ganked, but that still doesn't change the fact that they are flying in highsec with concord protection. It was stated that gankers hide behind concord, not their alts; their alts do often fall under the umbrella of Concord, I said as much in my post. But you knew full well what was meant by that. You can't say "Oh I totally don't hide behind concord, but I have all of my ships moved by someone that is so the only time I'm undocked an vulnerable is the 10 second window I'm on my way to gank". Gankers operate in highsec because they are as risk averse as the miners they hate, that's the simple reality. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Areen Sassel 112	Posted - 2016.05.23 17:15:52 - [247] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Areen Sassel wrote: March rabbit wrote: Black Pedro wrote: March rabbit wrote: try to shoot that 'peaceful' destroyer sitting on gates waiting for pod to kill. If that doesn't work (or you tag up), a single act of highsec piracy still puts you at risk by giving a trade-able killright to your victim that also can 'turn off' CONCORD making you free-to-shoot. what does killright worth if ganker alt is in space only between undocking and getting concordokken? It's hardly remarkable that it's hard to shoot someone who's willing to spend almost no time in space, but you started by complaining about the unshootability of a destroyer sitting on a gate. I know, this is very difficult to spot, but these 2 posts talk about two completely different cases and problems. Ordinarily I don't like deep-nested quotes, but here is the full history. You did in fact start by complaining about dessies sitting on gates and Pedro's mention of killrights was in response to that.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2503	Posted - 2016.05.23 17:53:04 - [248] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Gankers operate in highsec because they are as risk averse as the miners they hate, that's the simple reality. You are like those fat kids who call everyone else fat because that is what they always hear from others and because they think that will hurt them equally. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Bing Bangboom DAMAG Safety Commission 478	Posted - 2016.05.23 18:00:26 - [249] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Gankers operate in highsec because they are as risk averse as the miners they hate, that's the simple reality. If your goal, as ours is, is to control highsec you would have to be some kind of damn fool to go to low or null to fight. Highsec is worth fighting for. By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7769	Posted - 2016.05.23 18:12:33 - [250] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Gankers operate in highsec because they are as risk averse as the miners they hate, that's the simple reality. You are like those fat kids who call everyone else fat because that is what they always hear from others and because they think that will hurt them equally. That would only really work if I were a highsec player. I'm more like an onlooker laughing at how one fat kid is calling another fat kid fat. Bing Bangboom wrote: If your goal, as ours is, is to control highsec you would have to be some kind of damn fool to go to low or null to fight. That clearly isn't your goal otherwise you would restrict yourself to only the easiest kills. Well, I suppose it could be your goal if you are admitting that you are woefully incompetent at achieving it due to your terrible target selection. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2504	Posted - 2016.05.23 18:27:26 - [251] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: That would only really work if I were a highsec player. I'm more like an onlooker laughing at how one fat kid is calling another fat kid fat. Lucas Kell wrote: You are nothing to worry about. I've done a lot of highsec mining and not once been ganked by a code member, since you are only after easy kills. Calm down miner. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7769	Posted - 2016.05.23 18:35:33 - [252] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: That would only really work if I were a highsec player. I'm more like an onlooker laughing at how one fat kid is calling another fat kid fat. Lucas Kell wrote: You are nothing to worry about. I've done a lot of highsec mining and not once been ganked by a code member, since you are only after easy kills. Calm down miner. Apparently you don't know what past tense is. Google is your friend, I'll wait. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers EVEolution. 447	Posted - 2016.05.23 18:48:12 - [253] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: This is waxing too philosophical now. The game is working more-or-less as intended. Bottom line: CCP purposely makes you content, CCP intends for ganking to exists, CCP has looked hard and has found ganking has no detrimental effect on new players, and carebears, CCP is not going to to save you. Stop your "think of the children" lobbying to be made safe and just play the game, or go play something else where you are not the content on offer for the other players. pretty much, but still people will waste more energy crying about it than trying to do something about it, like learning how to deal with it. or they could try to stop being such self centered, self entitled special little snowflakes and as you said go play something else where they can feel all fuzzy and safe and stop trying to make EVE into what she is not. everyone is on offer as content once you undock.
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 952	Posted - 2016.05.23 19:01:13 - [254] - Quote Lol this thread is still going?!? Victory for the New Order! :D Hey lucas, great job complaining about how we: ~fly cheap~ and ~have alts~ I'm sure CCP will get right on those glaring issues! *Highsec is owned by players now.* Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2505	Posted - 2016.05.23 19:13:45 - [255] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: That would only really work if I were a highsec player. I'm more like an onlooker laughing at how one fat kid is calling another fat kid fat. Lucas Kell wrote: You are nothing to worry about. I've done a lot of highsec mining and not once been ganked by a code member, since you are only after easy kills. Calm down miner. Apparently you don't know what past tense is. Google is your friend, I'll wait. I forgot, they did ban your input-broadcasting multibox fleet. hence all the anger... tztz... Maybe you should really take my advice and calm down. I know you think you are some kind of nullsec-hero now and that makes you a better player, but it's clearly the highsec miner in you that speaks on the forums. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Lisbeth Riraille Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2016.05.23 19:23:17 - [256] - Quote Galaxy Pig wrote: Lol this thread is still going?!? Victory for the New Order! :D If you're posting here, you're not ganking me. Me, I'm mining afk while I type. Plus I'm posting on my phone while I'm sat on the pot. No victory for you! :D
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 954	Posted - 2016.05.23 19:28:37 - [257] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: That would only really work if I were a highsec player. I'm more like an onlooker laughing at how one fat kid is calling another fat kid fat. Lucas Kell wrote: You are nothing to worry about. I've done a lot of highsec mining and not once been ganked by a code member, since you are only after easy kills. Calm down miner. Apparently you don't know what past tense is. Google is your friend, I'll wait. I forgot, they did ban your input-broadcasting multibox fleet. hence all the anger... Is THAT what this dude's deal is? You can tell he has something stuck in his craw... *Highsec is owned by players now.* Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7776	Posted - 2016.05.23 19:30:42 - [258] - Quote Galaxy Pig wrote: Hey lucas, great job complaining about how we: ~fly cheap~ and ~have alts~ I'm sure CCP will get right on those glaring issues! I'm not complaining, I've stated outright that that's a perfectly acceptable playstyle. Just like highsec mining is. Ima Wreckyou wrote: I forgot, they did ban your input-broadcasting multibox fleet. hence all the anger... tztz... Maybe you should really take my advice and calm down. I know you think you are some kind of nullsec-hero now and that makes you a better player, but it's clearly the highsec miner in you that speaks on the forums. Nope, I never used broadcasting for my fleet. In fact up until that whole thing started I used no software to be on the safe side, but afterwards I used EVE-O preview. You'd now this of course if you actually read post rather than assuming their content. I still have all the accounts up now that SP trading is a thing (48 characters generating SP every month is pretty sweet) but I'm halted on mining for a while until I have more free time. Either way, you don't operate in any of the space I mine in, and if you did you'd be entirely ineffective. For a moment there I forgot that everyone who has an opinion that opposes yours is obviously a crying miner though, thanks for reminding me. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7776	Posted - 2016.05.23 19:34:31 - [259] - Quote Galaxy Pig wrote: Is THAT what this dude's deal is? You can tell he has something stuck in his craw... No, it's the argument Ima desperately clings to in an attempt to discredit me enough that I stop posting. The reality (that can be seen in the thread) is that I wanted active gameplay mechanics so that multiboxing at scale was incredibly difficult (like how you can't really multibox exploration with broadcasting) rather than blanket bans based on server side data analysis. Apparently though Ima think that miners should be able to operate almost as efficiently AFK as at the keyboard, so he's taken it on himself to disagree with my every post. vOv The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2506	Posted - 2016.05.23 19:44:30 - [260] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: I forgot, they did ban your input-broadcasting multibox fleet. hence all the anger... tztz... Maybe you should really take my advice and calm down. I know you think you are some kind of nullsec-hero now and that makes you a better player, but it's clearly the highsec miner in you that speaks on the forums. Nope, I never used broadcasting for my fleet. In fact up until that whole thing started I used no software to be on the safe side, but afterwards I used EVE-O preview. You'd now this of course if you actually read post rather than assuming their content. I still have all the accounts up now that SP trading is a thing (48 characters generating SP every month is pretty sweet) but I'm halted on mining for a while until I have more free time. Either way, you don't operate in any of the space I mine in, and if you did you'd be entirely ineffective. For a moment there I forgot that everyone who has an opinion that opposes yours is obviously a crying miner though, thanks for reminding me. Crying on the forums every time something about the New Order comes up plus 48 mining characters really make you look like a crying miner. It actually makes you look like THE crying miner. Also 48 mining characters and over 200 pages of your tears in that sticky input broadcast thread in GD are not really convincing to anyone if you try to tell us you did not use input broadcasting. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014

Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7779	Posted - 2016.05.23 19:55:09 - [261] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Crying on the forums every time something about the New Order comes up plus 48 mining characters really make you look like a crying miner. It actually makes you look like THE crying miner. I'm sure it would, but contrary to what you've been told, people responding to posts isn't actually crying. You realise that when you say it to someoe who is in fact super chilled out that it has pretty much the opposite effect right? It pleases me when you are so adamant that it's tears, because it means you're on the defensive. Ima Wreckyou wrote: Also 48 mining characters and over 200 pages of your tears in that sticky input broadcast thread in GD are not really convincing to anyone if you try to tell us you did not use input broadcasting. I didn't say 48 mining character, I said 48 characters. Before the input broadcasting thread the biggest group of miners I'd run was 8, because I used no software. After with eve-o preview I was able to run 16 with no problem. 48 is because I have multi character training on each of those accounts (with my final 4 accounts curretly inactive), with trade and industry alts (because industry queue limits make me sad), a few gank alts a couple of jump freighters, a faction warfare alt and some PvPers. Each character easily plexes itself and turns a profit. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 955	Posted - 2016.05.23 20:18:24 - [262] - Quote "I'm not complaining!1 I just bring it up... All. The. Time..." *Highsec is owned by players now.* Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Lucas Kell Evolution. SpaceMonkey's Alliance 7782	Posted - 2016.05.23 22:09:32 - [263] - Quote I'll stop bringing it up when you guys stop pretending you're not carebears looking for easy kills. Fair deal? The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 315	Posted - 2016.05.23 22:57:21 - [264] - Quote Bad plan captain- they literally live for this kind of response. It's a role playing thing; ain't nothing wrong with that. Did you read the minerbumping links posted earlier? High profile, high visibility is one of their major goals. Ergo: whenever anyone anywhere discusses CODE, they win. Quite ingenious in fact. There is no denying the truth: the CODE always wins, and will continue to do so as long as people call them bads on the forums. I've seen more CODE on the forums than in the belts to be fair, so perhaps "stop bringing it up" really is the way to go. Resist the urge Lucas. You can do it! Dooo eeet LOL
Lisbeth Riraille Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 28	Posted - 2016.05.23 23:40:00 - [265] - Quote Brokk Witgenstein wrote: I've seen more CODE on the forums than in the belts to be fair, so perhaps "stop bringing it up" really is the way to go. Resist the urge Lucas. You can do it! Dooo eeet LOL If they're on the forums they're not ganking, so every post from them I consider a win for the miners lol. Come to think of it, I've never seen a CODE member in game either, up close. I have seen one in local as I was passing thru a system and I 'show info'd a dude with bad standing, but I was on my way somewhere so that was it.


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