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Space Harrier Minmatar Xtreme Intruders	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:11:00 - [1] Is it just me, or does it look like the Goons have well and truly landed on the EVE galaxy with a big bang? It would appear to me that they intend to dominate the game much in the same way that BoB has done for the last couple of years now. I wonder though that if they are indeed successful in toppling BoB from their omnipotent position in EVE would they be any more loved or hated than those that they have toppled? I think it is an interesting time for EVE as major new powers errupt onto the scene. The powers of new and old EVE collide in a fight to the death. Who will win? and will a victory on either side usher in a new climate, a new atmosphere in the EVE universe for all the other alliances on the map? I wonder, can Goonswarm and their coalition possibly hope to hold so much space securely should they manage to wressle it away from it's current occupiers? or is that an impossible task, meaning that this war can last as long as the will of all parties involved remains strong? Do RA even want to go abroad to fight BoB? It's all very well them providing the dread fleet to crush LV systems but what do RA have to gain from a campaign in BoB space for themselves? They are traditionally tied to Cache and the surrounding regions after all. I wait with anticipation, how the territorial map of eve will look once the dust has settled. Which factions will grow closer together and which will break and grow apart. Interesting times, if not the best of times for EVE.
Electric Cucumber Amarr Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:14:00 - [2] BOB want to take over 0.0, which includes RA space, I think it's in RA's interest to take the opportunity to destroy bob now that d2 and friends are also attacking them.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:14:00 - [3] Originally by: Space Harrier Which factions will grow closer together and which will break and grow apart. As far as im aware the current coalition is purely to kill Bob, since 0.0 people in general don't like too much blue around all that much a lot of them will prolly go back to being neutral after the war. ----- $Forum + $Bob + $Devs == $ForumPostCount+++++;
Nebuchadnezzar I Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:19:00 - [4] It'd make little sense with all those alliances staying + to eachother thats for sure. Some of them, i thought at least, didnt seem to care that much for eachother before all this either.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:19:00 - [5] when goons appeared, lots said "uhoh those one day will have battleships". it happens now! fought along with them, had really a lot of "assumptions" at first. but they're funny as hell, and they're way better than they what they seem ------ Relaxed corp recruiting
Fabricati Diem Burleigh and Strong	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:20:00 - [6] Look, Ma, I'm in a Bob alt time-to-go-spin-on-the-forums thread!
Helganstandt Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:23:00 - [7] I think the coalition is purely designed to just destroy BoB and then go back to business as usual. BoB has hinted at before that if they ever lost their space, that would be the end and they'd go their separate ways. At least, that's what Molle said about the ASCN war, either they would succeed, or be destroyed or something to that effect. So anyway, point I'm making, the conflict isn't about conquest, it's about taking BoB out of the picture. They got too powerful and were arrogant about it, so people wanted to see them gone.
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:25:00 - [8] Edited by: thoth foc on 26/02/2007 17:21:58 goons are just 1 alliance, is a coalition of 15? 20? tbh i think they now conform to the "very general" sense of an alliance.. i think when they are able to operate without the hugh numbers of allies they currently need to fight, i will consider them more of "a storm".. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
Space Harrier Minmatar Xtreme Intruders	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:26:00 - [9] Originally by: Splagada when goons appeared, lots said "uhoh those one day will have battleships". it happens now! fought along with them, had really a lot of "assumptions" at first. but they're funny as hell, and they're way better than they what they seem Yeah no doubt! I personally see this as a kind of "New EVE vs Old EVE contest" Pound for pound, old EVE is definitely stronger, yet the sheer weight of numbers that goon coalition can bring to the fight reduce that advantage to nothing. I mean, look at LV for instance, they just lost a Titan under construction in their most heavily fortified system because the servers were crippled by the coalition fleet! Thats no fine way to loose a Titan, but it sure as hell was effective! If I was a betting man, I put my money on "New EVE" after all, one can only stay king of the hill for so long.
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:27:00 - [10] Edited by: Herculite on 26/02/2007 17:24:18 Originally by: Helganstandt So anyway, point I'm making, the conflict isn't about conquest, it's about taking BoB out of the picture. They got too powerful and were arrogant about it, so people wanted to see them gone. It might be a WEEEEE bit early to be talking about an alliance with 3 titans, a massive cap fleet, and some of the best pilots in the game in the past tense. I'm just saying
HatePeace LoveWar Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:28:00 - [11] The foolish amongst u overlook the true power in the coalition. Eve vs WoW
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:31:00 - [12] Originally by: Splagada when goons appeared, lots said "uhoh those one day will have battleships". it happens now! fought along with them, had really a lot of "assumptions" at first. but they're funny as hell, and they're way better than they what they seem nope their fleets are still 80-90% disposable EW frigs and cruisers... but one day... Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:38:00 - [13] Only idiots attempt to "take over EVE". You see what's happening to BoB? We have no desire to follow in their footsteps.
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:45:00 - [14] Originally by: The Mittani Only idiots attempt to "take over EVE". You see what's happening to BoB? We have no desire to follow in their footsteps. Where do you see your alliance going after the war? Do you want to become a traditional territory alliance? Do you expect to keep the various "pirate" corps currently within your ranks? _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:51:00 - [15] Edited by: prsr on 26/02/2007 17:49:17 Originally by: The Mittani You see what's happening to BoB? We have no desire to follow in their footsteps. Don't worry, you won't I don't think the question makes much sense tbh. While the goons have built up quite a bit of experience and skills now it is still RA pushing the buttons that make things possible. RA probably isn't looking for a head-on conflict with Bob and is currently just helping to setup their meatshields while making sure to get some key systems under direct control (npc station refineries for example). -- .sig apathy ftw
bulabuba Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2007.02.26 17:52:00 - [16] Originally by: Space Harrier Is it just me, or does it look like the Goons have well and truly landed on the EVE galaxy with a big bang? It would appear to me that they intend to dominate the game much in the same way that BoB has done for the last couple of years now. I think they just want to kill BoB. Righteous indignation is a powerful motivating force. When that task is completed I doubt they will retain the same drive and sense of purpose that they have now toward the proposition of conquering all of 0.0. Quote: I wonder though that if they are indeed successful in toppling BoB from their omnipotent position in EVE would they be any more loved or hated than those that they have toppled? Depends on how they behave. If Remedial becomes the new Molle and some of his minions the new DB Preachers, they'll be hated just as much, and eventually toppled in their turn. Quote: I think it is an interesting time for EVE as major new powers errupt onto the scene. The powers of new and old EVE collide in a fight to the death. Who will win? and will a victory on either side usher in a new climate, a new atmosphere in the EVE universe for all the other alliances on the map? The "coalition" will win this, because the current state and mechanics of the game allow waves of t-1 frigs and cruisers to trump the most advanced technology and PvP skill. It won't always be so. You can count on it. Quote: I wonder, can Goonswarm and their coalition possibly hope to hold so much space securely should they manage to wressle it away from it's current occupiers? or is that an impossible task, meaning that this war can last as long as the will of all parties involved remains strong? Again, much of their "strength" comes from the fact that they can bring numbers around the clock that make the game unplayable in its current form through node crashes and lag. It tips the scale way in favor of large numbers (their strength) over skill and technology (BoB/LV/D2 et. al.'s strength). It won't stay that way. The devs will move to balance the equation, but probably not in time to save BoB and LV. When they do, the power that RAGOON enjoys now will wane or outright disappear. Quote: Do RA even want to go abroad to fight BoB? It's all very well them providing the dread fleet to crush LV systems but what do RA have to gain from a campaign in BoB space for themselves? They are traditionally tied to Cache and the surrounding regions after all. They'd better, while they can. The advantage that they enjoy now doesn't have much of a shelf-life. If BoB lives by this time next year, Red and Goon won't. Quote: Interesting times, if not the best of times for EVE. Yep. ----------------------------------------------- Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. -DB Preacher[BoB]
Shin Ra BURN EDEN GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.26 18:06:00 - [17] Our ultimate plan is to have 1000 goons in titans and spam every non-occupied system we don't want with a Caldari outpost.
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.02.26 18:16:00 - [18] This thread is silly. Goons are one piece of many. They're not playing with some huge banked set of advantages from being here a long time and recruiting only the most experienced guys around. They're just a big group of players who have fun together. They're not special, they're just loud and boisterous. If BoB loses this war it won't be because 'Goons toppled them', it will be from the combined distaste of a great many alliances. In any case, its far from over.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2007.02.26 18:22:00 - [19] I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
Cupdeez Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 18:32:00 - [20] I would say about 40% of the Goons have top notch skills. So take 3,000 members and out of that you have 1200 members that can PVP just as good as BOD or LV. People say how good LV is but I didnÆt really see it. LV players drop a ton of T1 loot and all of the things they did in this game involved using more numbers then the enemy (I have no problem using what you have but LV canÆt use that against Goons). BOD on the other hand has like 1800 members most of which are the same members with 3-6 accounts that are pretty much maxed out. I would say about 85-90% of there members are top notch players but they only can field about 300 members then they need to use other allies who are miners (AKA BOD Meat Shield). Fill in the names here: RA is probably a little better then LV but I would say they are about 75-80% top notch PVP players but LV use to have numbers on them. I canÆt comment on CA since we are relatively new to the alliance. I can stay that IMP with its 800 members was in the 80-85% range for top notch PVP players. If BOD dies and leaves all that space IÆm sure the coalition will divided up some of the area to make there boarders a little bit bigger then basically give the rest to anyone who wants to come and take it (It might look something like the Stain Region). If we do kick BOD/LV and friends out of 0.0 IÆm sure they will reform and take some 0.0 space else where and then it all will just start over again. Welcome to 0.0 space. Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
HellSpeed Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.02.26 18:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Fabricati Diem Look, Ma, I'm in a Bob alt time-to-go-spin-on-the-forums thread! Maybe the OP is a goon alt
Zhaine Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:00:00 - [22] Meh, Goons arn't even (close to) the most powerful in the anti-BoB coalition I don't think. That's not a flame btw, just what I would have thought is pretty commonly accepted fact. If (in the unlikely even that) they're gonna become the "new BoB" they're gonna have a very different style, obviously. And Remedial would beat even the best (or worst?) BoB have to offer in terms of ego and arrogance - - - - - - - - - - Give this a read.
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:03:00 - [23] I think for EVE to survive, BoB has to be defeated so that people can get over the cheating and the arrogance that has been saturating the forums in the last 2 years. If the coalition looses, there will be alot of people loosing faith in the game. Tha is just my opinion, don't hold my corp or alliance to anything I say. Signature removed - please email us to find out why - Jacques([email protected])
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:12:00 - [24] Edited by: merc999 on 26/02/2007 19:12:05 I cant and wont speak for my corps or alliance, so saying that this post is probably out of place on this forum as It is my own personal views. For me this war is not about owning a peice of 0.0 space, I have no desire to take part in the tedium of POS fueling and politics that ensue from claiming and holding soveriegnty. If my CEO had decided to stay out of this war I would have probably asked for a leave of abscence and joined a coprs that was involved, as it happened My corps got involved for reasons I knew nothing about at the time. I was fighting until RL got in the way, and will be back fighting soon to destroy BoB because I firmly believe that BoB should have been severly censured over recent events, and if CCP wont do it, it falls to the player base to ensure all know that such events will not be left unpunished now or in the future. Goons are only a part of the armada against BoB, to think that only Goonfleet will be the beneficiaries of this war is short sighted, the whole game will benefit from BoB being defeated LV was just unfortunate they allied with the wrong people at the wrong time, and have become a rather large speed bump on the road to BoB. Kudos to LV, they still do bring the fight, and I have no doubt when their stations are gone the hard core of LV will revel in basing out of NPC stations and being a complete and utter pain behind the lines. when it comes to BoBs time,when all the coalition forces are in their areas ranged against them , attacking on 3 fronts and at least 3 systems at the same time, with operations against them throughout not only Euro and USA prime times but almost23/7 BoB are going to have to leave an awful lot of space undefended, they simply havent got the coverage to defend all their space, even with their allied corps/alliances. I expect BoB to hit one of the coalition as hard as they can time and time again to try to drive one front out of the war at a time, wether they can do this, and if they can do it quick enough to retain the space is a question only time will tell. I personally doubt they can, the resolve amongst those pilots ranged against them, from many different corps seems to me to be resolute. snip This signiture is not appropriate for eve-o fourms, please email [email protected] with a link to the signiture to find out why - thanks hutch
Skrypt Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:29:00 - [25] snip Please do not troll. -Elmo Pug ([email protected]) ---------- "I know. I know you can fight. But it's our wits that make us men." ~ Malcolm Wallace (Braveheart)
Liquid Vision Caldari Liquid Research	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:44:00 - [26] Yeah. . .I can't really see the Goons or anyone else taking BOB's place once they're gone. It takes a certain special kind of lameness to be BOB and carry on like they do and I don't see any folks in the game being able to fill that role. Especially since I don't think anyone in game has had the "dev experience" to the extent that the Bobbits have. Goons gets a lot of heat here on EVE-O because they play EVE differently than the standard, accepted way most folks do and they have 10x the fun while doing it. They also take a lot of heat because they give the finger to folks normally used to having everyone grovel before them while eating their propaganda like it was caviar. For all the trash talked about the Goons, they've done more in the short time they've been around in game than a lot of alliances have done since the Beta version of EVE. That being said. . .why in the world would they want the responsibility of "conquering" EVE? Like was said. . .it ain't possible and only someone as egotistical and scatterbrained as a Molle could believe that. Plus, where's the fun it having to make sure 10000 systems are locked down and having to deal with all the folks living there? Also, if you were privy to some of the stuff going on with the Goons, you'd know they've been handing over most of the space they conquer to their buddies and they've been giving folks the opportunity to leave if they'll choose not to help out the Bobbits. I even believe there's even a Free Trade Zone going up in the southeast as we speak where coalition members can get what they need at a cheaper price, etc. and so forth. While the Goons aren't the heavy-hitters in "the Coalition" I would venture to say that they are the driving force behind the "train." I don't know any group out there that posts up a "LOG THE F ON AND LETS GO" thread on their forums and immediately gets 200+ folks X'ing up in chat within 15 minutes. They inspire folks around them and they make fights a lot more fun IMHO for those that go with them. They're kinda like the Avenging Angels of EVE. . .and they mostly fly stuff the rest of us quit using AGES ago which makes it even more hysterical. Really, I would expect to see BOB and "the pets" cleared out by the end of the year and then for a sort of "Dark Ages/Terrorist Warfare" time to emerge with folks having fun battling it out over Delve/Fountain/PB/Esoteria/Feyth/etc. Should be lots of fun! Tired of 30 day plus research wait times? Want to produce your stuff faster? Try Liquid Research!!
Powdder CL0CKW0RK 0RANGE	Posted - 2007.02.26 19:51:00 - [27] You know what strikes me as odd about posts like this? Its the fundamental way in which they are written. The goal of a thread like this is to start the coalition members thinking about what will happen after the war is over. Or that maybe they should start thinking about what might happen before the war is over and the fighting still rages. The bottom line is that this whole thread stinks of a BOB instigated 1. We all know BOB wont reveal themselves by posting on these forums with their main mains. But we all know that allot of BOB's members have multiple accounts. basically if you think about it the side of this war that benifets from threads like this is the BOB side. THEY are the ones that want the coalition to dissolve. THEY are the ones that want backbiting and infighting within the coalition. and the speculation is pointless for all we know the current coalition might stay united after the war. They might divide up the regions by the alliances that fought the war and just keep them. honestly how many outposts+conquerables are there down there?? 30-40? how many corps are there in the the coalition? I see 1 or 2 stations going to each corp that fought in the war with regional NAP to help defend that station. But thats purely speculation on my part. The bottom line is that coalition will not back down. the coalition will not dissolve. even after the loss of a mighty titan, d2 sprang back and is kicking arse. I say well done. I say to hell with this speculation and go stomp some bob/lv tail. SUPPORT THE COALITION OR STFU.
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:16:00 - [28] Originally by: Electric Cucumber BOB want to take over 0.0,. Retard! Who would BoB the PVP alliance have to shoot should they do this? WTS a clue
Zell Caldari The Black Raptors	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:18:00 - [29] Its just you... Goons aren't here to stay, they are the flavor of the month. as pointed out above, Ra is pulling the strings, IAC backs them in technology/industry. Take that away (IE, we are done now goons, go away) and they are once again meat shields for the universe. They have powerful, rich alliances. They are neither powerful nor rich themselves. When the puppetmasters are done with them, they are going back to the noob status they left before. By them selves they will never hold anything of value.... Ginger Magician is just a nublet. I've met more people ingame that have laughed about him, than anyone else in Eve. A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once..
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.26 20:22:00 - [30] Originally by: Zell Its just you... Goons aren't here to stay, they are the flavor of the month. as pointed out above, Ra is pulling the strings, IAC backs them in technology/industry. Take that away (IE, we are done now goons, go away) and they are once again meat shields for the universe. They have powerful, rich alliances. They are neither powerful nor rich themselves. When the puppetmasters are done with them, they are going back to the noob status they left before. By them selves they will never hold anything of value.... This is the gospel truth, and I endorse it as an official statement of Swarm policy. Now stop talking about us.

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