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Bilanto Gatejumper Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:05:00 - [61] As I mention earliger. It is bannable offence as long as he does the tutorial.
Akinai Gallente External Trade Organization	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:13:00 - [62] Repeat after me: If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:14:00 - [63] Stay in game, get into a player corp asap, and get the hell out of empire space. This game is full of quasi griefers, what he did was not against the rules, but frowned upon. Joining a player corp gives you.... 1. In game help from corp members. 2. Revenge, corp mates help you hunt the trash down. 3. A sense of direction 4. Greifing war declerations. 5. Some corps even supply skills, ships, and mods. But dont leave cause of one trash head. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Ziu Wraith Recondite	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:18:00 - [64] To the OP, Eve is not the game for you, you're right. In Eve, you are expected to take some responsibility for your own actions. Yes, what this guy did was lame. However, you clicked past the warning that told you what could happen next. It happened next, and suddenly you're here crying about it. Two options: see what you did wrong, learn from it, move on and become a more knowing player. Second: throw your toys out of the pram, yell at the game for not wrapping you in cotton wool and leave. Welcome to Eve :) -- [WREC] is recruiting.
Mark Weston Caldari The Graduates Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:32:00 - [65] Griefing new players like this is against the rules and contributes nothing to the game; I'm sick of reading people try to justify it. To the OP: yes, there are players in EVE who are out-and-out griefers and who exploit the freedom the game gives us to cause frustration and waste other people's game time. They do not represent the majority. Similarly there are a vocal group of forum-posters who jump into threads like this simply to sneer. Again, they do not represent the majority. EVE is a game that will reward your time, and as well as the griefers and the "can I have your stuff" forum-squad there are also many who want to help new players get into the game for no other reward then the enjoyment of doing so. Follow my sig if you'd like to learn more. New to EVE? Join channel: "Eve University" or read here
Marcus Xavier Minmatar Xavier Institute for Higher Learning	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:46:00 - [66] Originally by: Eilene Fernite Yeah ok, blowing up an ibis from a player still in his tutorial is a sad thing to do. There's not really a point in it, but I guess some people will do silly things at times. Then again, it's also sad to throw a hissy fit over losing an ibis. I mean come on, you just have to dock to get a brand spanking new ibis, with free trit in the cargo hold. Seriously, don't get upset, lighten up and laugh at the poor sod outside who thinks he's uber because he just gunned down a 5 minute old noob. How many tutorial runners know that the shiny new Ibis will be replaced when the griefer destroys it? You need to place yourself in the trial account user's pod to realize how disturbing the griefer's behavior is. ---------------- Mutatis Mutandis
Pytria Le'Danness Placid Reborn	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:48:00 - [67] Originally by: RaazAguul It's a damn trap for noobs and he knew it. regardless whether or not it said dont take. to place a cargo box out there that says "free stuff for noobs" implys just that. And then to turn around and kill them for doing so is griefing. It's BS. He knew that eventually someone like me, who did not know what was going on would come along and fall for his trap. You can rationalize his killing me any way you want to, but its still a lame ass kill. It definitely is idiotic, especially since the best he can hope for is getting a kill of a Velator that you get replaced by docking anyway. Oh well, if that pathetic way to get kill mails is his only way to get some you should pity him. There is nothing he can get out of it (well, a Civilian Gun, a Basic Miner and up to 11 pieces of Trit if he is very lucky) and I wonder why people even do it. One thing you can do: loot his can and immediately redock. But then you have to sit tight for 15 minutes, and that's not normally worth it. Corporation RP channel: "PlacidReborn"
Lux Simian	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:58:00 - [68] Petition Him Regardless of the excuses given its a well established fact of Eve that Griefing is not acceptable, and the player in question likely knows that. I've seen these cans around a few times, and I notice that when I take from them in my Shiny Domi (Battleship) of sporting a flight of tech 2 drones, they don't seem 'quite so up for it'.
Hektor Ramirez Outer Ring Tourist Information Center	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:08:00 - [69] Originally by: RaazAguul But what is more surprising to me is that most of you seem to think that this guy did nothing wrong at all, and the entire thing was my fault. Yeah, no, the whole thing is terrible. I feel for you man. I'm sorry that the guy was mean to you, his parents probably didn't love him enough when he was a child. Let me make it up to you by presenting you with this rare, very expensive misprinted dictionary that doesn't have the word "gullible" in it. It's in the back of my van. I've parked it over there in that dark backalley, just follow me. -
Capt Kees Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:09:00 - [70] Edited by: Capt Kees on 27/02/2007 13:05:50 Its llame yes, but nothing different as in other PvP focussed games.. All the MMO's i played in the years, there are grievers, gankers etc etc etc, There are allways people trying to score a cheap/easy kill, if for each time someone that played a dirty trick on me, i quitted the game, i prolly had no online games left to play From the OP's story, i see a New player with no idear what to except, and someone who didnt took any efford to find out what to expect, Why is it that a huge number of newbies dont fall for such tricks, and a few allways do, and its never their fault the fell for it.. When i started 3 months ago, i seen the same kind of Traps, and when clicked that Pop-up was in the middle of the screen, warning me what will happen, Same counted for the first time i went into lowsec, and also again when i targetted my first player to kill.. How can they miss those, and then whine bout it... /me keeps shaking his head If you cant handle this kind of heat, yeah, EVE aint your game.. If you learn to deal with this kind of stuff, and learn the ropes of the game, EVE is a great game, and daily you discover more.. Funniest is, When i played WoW/AC/Horizons name them all, the longer i played, the less i liked the game, EVE, at first i hated it, now....i'm addicted.. Only that first week of EVE... nearly quitted too, glad i didnt

DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:16:00 - [71] To the OP: Quit EVE now, it will save you a lot of heartache if this upsets you so much. EVE is an MMO where griefing is allowed more than any other MMO out there. EVE is not for you, as you can see by the lack of sympathy you get here on the forums, it's a sign of things to come if you continue on with EVE. Building the homestead
Iphiclus Rogen's Heroes Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:22:00 - [72] Originally by: RaazAguul But what is more surprising to me is that most of you seem to think that this guy did nothing wrong at all, and the entire thing was my fault. We laugh and point because it's happened to us all, not because we agree with it... not because we encourage it. For many of us the loss we suffered was much harsher, countless hours spent getting a shiny new toy, only for fortune to frown upon our toil and deliver unto us a horrifying lesson in human nature. KAPLOW! That first time will haunt you, never leave you and cast a shadow upon your actions in future endeavors. But one day it will be your turn to laugh and point! remembering fondly that noobish day you made a fatal mistake!
Weebear The Bowrey	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:24:00 - [73] If you fell for that one, you will probably want to avoid the contracts system for now......
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:35:00 - [74] Originally by: RaazAguul So I've calmed down some and here's my opinion. I've played a lot of games, where people help the new players to the game for the purpose of recruiting new players to guilds, to encourage them to stick with the low levels or to just help a new guy out. So someone having crates out there that say "FREE STUFF FOR NOOBS" seemed pretty cool to me. Specially since I just learned that you can take stuff from Wrecks. But as it turns out, the guy is a piece of crap and preys on people who don't know what the hell is going on yet. In EVE, the usual approach is for somebody to wire you ISK rather than leave a can out front of the station. Quote: But what is more surprising to me is that most of you seem to think that this guy did nothing wrong at all, and the entire thing was my fault. Hardly, he's a griefing MFer, who deserves every ounce of the scorn you throw in his direction. His kind is neither representative of, nor liked by, the EVE community. Still, fact is that in order to take that stuff you had to ignore a pretty blatant pop-up that warned you of the potential consequences of your actions. It's there for a reason, and if you'd heeded it, you would not be in this position. EVE allows indiscriminate, non-consensual PvP, and the cans are a potential mechanic for that process. if you are uncomfortable with that fact, this probably isn't this game. As somebody pointed out, EVE is a game of "street smarts", keeping your wits about you, and generally being paranoid. Quote: In fact, it almost seems that you are encouraging this kind of behavior, and even think that a high level guy going to the "noob base" and putting out traps for total noobs so he can repeatedly kill them is funny. wrong. Quote: Well, you all will have to excuse me for not knowing how to play the game and foolishly thinking that at the "training base" I was safe from being griefed before I even left the sector. I don't supposed you bothered to research this game before trying it out? Life in EVE can be short and brutal for the unwary. Quote: I don't think that it's a good thing that i got killed early so I didn't lose any credits later. I think it's a good thing that I got griefed early so I don't pay any real money and waste any more time on this game. I'll try not to let the door hit me in the ass on the way out. Actually, you honestly have gained from this experience - it's taught you what EVE is like. if EVE is not to your tastes, don't play it. You'll find that those of us who DO play it don't much care. not everything is universally popular, and if you wish to quit, that is your prerogative. What's happening here is that you're using the actions of one random griefer (a type of player that is definitely in the minority in this game) as a smokescreen to cover the real issue that you just don't like the game. That's cool. You don't have to. Have fun somewhere else, mate. ***
The Internets	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:42:00 - [75] Edited by: The Internets on 27/02/2007 13:42:16 Originally by: Malcanis So you had a big click-through warning, which you completely ignored? EVE is not for you, my friend. You, or the majority of the other posters don't seem to understand. New players assume that someone leaving 'Free Stuff for Noobs' at their starting station is NOT going to shoot them because of their supposed charity. Many other games that they may be coming from usually have nice people that help out new players. They have not yet found out that the EVE community is horrible and ignore the warning message. It seems to me that most of the posters on EVE-O were picked on as children and now are having their turn sitting behind a computer screen. Why don't you all grow up and stop flaming everything that hits these forums?
Hektor Ramirez Outer Ring Tourist Information Center	Posted - 2007.02.27 14:00:00 - [76] Edited by: Hektor Ramirez on 27/02/2007 14:00:19 Originally by: The Internets It seems to me that most of the posters on EVE-O were picked on as children and now are having their turn sitting behind a computer screen. Why don't you all grow up and stop flaming everything that hits these forums? If someone starts his EVE career by blaming others on the forums for their mistakes half an hour into the game then he gets ridiculed and laughed at. If he acts cool about doing rookie mistakes and says "I just lost my pretty ship I mined 2 hours for because I did something stupid :(" in the noobcorp channel then he gets a mil or two thrown his way by people who remember being in his situation too well. The latter just doesn't have the benefit of publicity the former has. -
Garrack Caldari No Quarter.	Posted - 2007.02.27 14:03:00 - [77] Originally by: RaazAguul Im not even in the game for a few hours, haven't even finished the tutorial. I just learned how to take stuff from wreckages. Then a high level guy comes to the training station and puts out a bunch of canisters that says "free stuff for noobs" I take one, and he kills me. I launch again and instantly he kills me again. I did not know that there was a 15 minute waiting time or even that Id get killed for taking the "trap" at a training base? Do the GMs acctually think this is acceptable? The guy knew I had no clue what I was doing when he set the trap at the training base. The guy also knew I had no clue about the 15 minute waiting time. I really have no desire to play on any further either. So GMs should take note of this. Account cancelled. hahahah, wow that sucks dude. Lesson #1 In Eve - (and perhaps humanity) - If permitted to do so, people will be ***holes. This is why in real life we have prisons! Hey CCP can we get some prisons? :) --- Singing: "I ain't got no siggy..."
Artronus	Posted - 2007.02.27 14:30:00 - [78] Being only a 30 day old rookie here I feel your pain. I was fortunate enough to actually spend a lot of times on the forums before I even started playing though and avoided your scenario. I remember you in the chat channel last night. You were pretty upset about the whole deal and from a rookie perspective I can understand that. If that ruined the game for you though I wholly recommend you play another game. You need thicker skin for EVE. Oh, and supply us with the name of this person, will you? I know a LOT of people that will make his life a lot fun if he wants a fight:) I encourage you to try again with a fresh mindset. The community is pretty good believe it or not and I personally feel this is the best MMO I have ever played. (And I have played a few;) Fly safe, Artronus
maarud Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.27 14:49:00 - [79] The GM's have said that is harrasment. Petition it please so this guy can get banned and we have one less to worry about. Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Eviloution	Posted - 2007.02.27 14:58:00 - [80] Originally by: RaazAguul Im not even in the game for a few hours, haven't even finished the tutorial. I just learned how to take stuff from wreckages. Then a high level guy comes to the training station and puts out a bunch of canisters that says "free stuff for noobs" I take one, and he kills me. I launch again and instantly he kills me again. I did not know that there was a 15 minute waiting time or even that Id get killed for taking the "trap" at a training base? Do the GMs acctually think this is acceptable? The guy knew I had no clue what I was doing when he set the trap at the training base. The guy also knew I had no clue about the 15 minute waiting time. I really have no desire to play on any further either. So GMs should take note of this. Account cancelled. If this is all it takes for you to leave EVE it is not the game for you, it is a dangerous and realistic universe with evil people and jerks at all turns, however if you had simply read the message that came up saying if you take from this can you can be fired upon u'd have lived, so in this situation its natural selection.

nahtoh Caldari Bull Industries	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:01:00 - [81] Originally by: Marcus Xavier Originally by: Eilene Fernite Yeah ok, blowing up an ibis from a player still in his tutorial is a sad thing to do. There's not really a point in it, but I guess some people will do silly things at times. Then again, it's also sad to throw a hissy fit over losing an ibis. I mean come on, you just have to dock to get a brand spanking new ibis, with free trit in the cargo hold. Seriously, don't get upset, lighten up and laugh at the poor sod outside who thinks he's uber because he just gunned down a 5 minute old noob. How many tutorial runners know that the shiny new Ibis will be replaced when the griefer destroys it? You need to place yourself in the trial account user's pod to realize how disturbing the griefer's behavior is. 2 seconds aftyer he docked and saw there was a new one...which he then got promptly blown up. As for the OP, meh like everybody else it was a lame thing to do take a note of him and kick him in the balls ltr. Bad trhings happen in Eve and its not the same as other games, if someone is willing to pay the price they can attack you anywhere out side of a station. Its a cheap lesson learn it and then continue or not tis up to you. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
The Conduit	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:13:00 - [82] Edited by: The Conduit on 27/02/2007 15:13:17 As somebody already pointed out (but a lot of people are conveniently choosing to ignore..), it's grief play of the worse kind and is against the spirit, if not the letter of Eve law. This is taken directly from the the Eve support knowledge-base; Quote: An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated. http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336 To the OP: you should receive an email from concord telling you who the involved parties were in the destruction of your ship; the name of player, corp etc. Please press F11 and petition this gigantic life-hating tosser for grief play, so he can't continue to do the same thing to other unsuspecting new players. Then come back here and post his name. Thanks.
Spaceman Jack	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:15:00 - [83] Originally by: Ikarushka you learned the lesson during your first few hours, it takes much longer for others... ...you had a message that stated that the owner of the container will be able to attack you. Think of it as a part of the tutorial. WIN! I hope the OP does not take these answers harshley if he wants to learn to love this game, it brutal, these people are right in saying he did you a favor of popping you in a noob ship as opposed to your first frig you worked hard for. However, we can say that because we have been here long enough and your first lesson should not be handed out to you for the first time out of a station in a noob system by some f'in noob greifing looser. He should be banned for a month or two. A word to the greifer also, if you were any f'in smarter you would wait until he had something of value. Personally i think you screwed all of us by having a potential isk maker drop out. You are a boon to the eceonomy jack8ss.
Scoundrelus The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:30:00 - [84] Survival of the fittest Ninja vanish! poof
18 Rabbit	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:34:00 - [85] Eve has put itself in an awkward place. The skill point system is very casual friendly, as are some other features. But the general culture of the players and attitude of the development team is extremely anti-casual and anti-carebear. They seem to have decided they want to keep it that way. Counter-strike in space ftl. Oh well. If you're a casual player or a carebear type, then Eve is not the game for you. It's good you found that out now, before you have a large investment in it. You'd be better off not making that investment.
Dolly Parton Amarr 5punkorp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:41:00 - [86] Originally by: RaazAguul You are right Kal. Eve is not the game for me. if you want to leave fine but your missing out on a good game. some people just like in RL are *****s. you learned not to take cans that say free stuff, i hope you apply that to all cans and wrecks not just the free stuff for noob cans. you will learn in this game that things are always changing, and i stress changing. key to success is make the mistakes early and often so when your in the bigger more $$$ ships you'll know what not to do. if you should leave fly safe DP * Any comments made are mine and mine alone! ***
Something Random Gallente F.S.O. Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:51:00 - [87] Its a shame you didnt get the urge to find out how to take the stuff from those cans without him killing you.
Gudrun Hart	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:09:00 - [88] Originally by: RaazAguul I don't think that it's a good thing that i got killed early so I didn't lose any credits later. I think it's a good thing that I got griefed early so I don't pay any real money and waste any more time on this game. Is this is your conclusion after you calmed down, then is realy not "your" game. To play with real persons means sometimes to play with asholes. If that was not happen in the noob system, then you would have the problem later.. and i can just tell you one thing, you dont feel better if you loose your first cruiser to a griefer. Maybe you should take a look to X3, or give EvE another chance. There are a more players who would help you then griefers.
Megan Maynard Minmatar RONA Deepspace Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:14:00 - [89] Noob has left the building guys, we don't gotta chat about it anymore...................
Fuzzy Something Caldari Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:37:00 - [90] One other thing I hope you'll learn from this experience is that Forums are populated largely by people from extreme viewpoints, often driven to posting by mind-numbing boredom. (aka: Work, school) Also, some people post drivel just to try to get a reaction from other posters. It's not just here, people with little emotional interest in a given topic don't have much reason to read about it, let alone post responses. The same goes for customer survey cards - very few people will bother to respond if they felt everything was average. Of course, trolling is less common on comment cards. To the point: The learning curve in Eve is steep. There is an awful lot of information to take in, with very little time to do it. Indeed, if you stick around, you'll probably find that you're better off having learned what you did about newb-baiting and griefers. They not uncommon, and learning how they function makes you a more capable player and person. Take is as a lesson rather than a personal violation, and you'll go far. In the other respect, a player that baits newbs to kill them does not make Eve a better game, and makes and unpleasant experience for new players. Now, please tell us his name (Check your "Ship Destruction" Eve-mail from CONCORD) so we can begin killing him repeatedly. Thank you.



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