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Kylana Darkfate Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.28 02:54:00 - [121] Originally by: Hektor Ramirez Originally by: Kylana Darkfate The immature kiddie responses the OP is getting is a perfect example how ridiculously retarded and immature the Eve community has become. We honestly need more people like him in game than most of these forum whoring social rejects. Since you're pretending to speak for some imaginary group of people I'm going to go ahead and pretend there's someone standing behind me too when I say that we have to be mature all day long and play games so we can go lol you ate the yellow snowcone instead of My god, good man, what an unfortunate turn of events. Care for a cup of tea? for a moment without some soccer mom going morality brigade on us. Sitting in front of a thread overanalyzing and looking down on people who are having a bit of harmless fun in a civilized manner makes you a forum whoring social reject in my eyes. If you call most of the responses civilized I hate to see how civil you're going to be when you grow up. I speak for the majority of mature people who don't even look at the forums anymore because the amount of trash (this means you) that has accumulated on here. Someone must try to keep the balance. Now go to bed kiddie. -------------------------------- "You see, no one would surrender to the Dread Pirate Westley." ...Well how about the Dread Pirate Kylana? ^_^
Hektor Ramirez Outer Ring Tourist Information Center	Posted - 2007.02.28 03:21:00 - [122] Originally by: Kylana Darkfate Someone must try to keep the balance. Can you say that again, but this time with the same sad, worried, tired, "This is my burden" kind of look in your eyes that Elijah Wood has perfected? Quote: Now go to bed kiddie. Guess my timezone and win fabulous prizes! -
Darkenral	Posted - 2007.02.28 04:40:00 - [123] EVE is NOTHING like when I started in 2005, in 2005 generally if someone offered to help they helped, after a fight generally a good convo ensued, and the forums while always rowdy were never like this cesspool they have become. The pinnacle of PVP in EVE atm: Log on - off traps. Killing super caps via bugs. Social Engineering - yeah ok lying to a bunch of ppl on TS to get them to trust you then selling them out ... is it a wonder nobody plays anymore with ppl they dont know in RL? Scammers paradise in contracts - Market PVP I guess. Node crashing etc Race to see who can find sploits first to sploit them for months on end till CCP fix's em. Apparently EVE has become a sandbox set on a beach in Lord of the Flies. I guess this is all well within CCP's "vision" Not exactly what I consider fun after a long day of grinding @ the office. Whatever; sub is cancelled, 10 days left then I'm out. No you cant have my stuff. Dark
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 04:57:00 - [124] Originally by: Redpants Was your attacker a member of the Privateer Alliance? They're only out for quality PvP. Now don't be blaming the Privateers for this act of puppy kicking. I knew a guy in the first mission ruinning corp I was in who did this has entertainment. ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 05:04:00 - [125] Originally by: Darkenral Apparently EVE has become a sandbox set on a beach in Lord of the Flies. I think that pretty much sums it up!
Hakar Kerarmor	Posted - 2007.02.28 07:53:00 - [126] I suggest making death part of the tutorial. ------------------------------------------- Beware, you who seek first and final principles, for you are trampling the garden of an angry God and he awaits you just beyond the last theorem.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.02.28 08:01:00 - [127] The guy who lured him with a can and killed him was actually part of the tutorial. He failed. Gg. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - - "186,282 miles per second; It's not just a good idea, it's the law."
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2007.02.28 09:31:00 - [128] The guy who lured him with a can was a griefer and should be reported and let CCP deal with them. http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336 Quote: An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated.
Ariandra Rex	Posted - 2007.02.28 09:47:00 - [129] Edited by: Ariandra Rex on 28/02/2007 09:45:51 IÆm just happy that there are some constants in the game anyway, like for example that 95% of the forum posters are self righteous l33t wannabe idiots. It truly is a great game that has such an understanding and friendly forum community where people are so good at pointing out that everyone who makes a mistake or fails to play 100% correct (aka n00bs) should go play WoW because they clearly canÆt handle this game. I always wondered why people act as idiots on forums like this, and IÆve reached three conclusions: 1: They hide behind their internet ôanonymityö which makes them act as the *******s they donÆt have the courage to be in real life 2: By saying that everyone else are n00bs and losers they effectively move the spotlight away from their own inadequacy. 3: Due to being harassed or teased in for example school they have a suppressed anger which they need to vent, and as they lack the spine to do anything about it in real life they find mmo games, make their character awesomely nber and can thus expose the n00bs to the same treatment as they had to suffer in real life, think Freud had some good example on this.. cant remember right now. Anyway :) Keep up the friendly work people, you make everyone feel so at home!
NeoNeTiC SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.28 10:53:00 - [130] Edited by: NeoNeTiC on 28/02/2007 10:50:00 First of all: I have not read every page of this thread because I'm certain it doesn't contain any new opinions/statements/flames I haven't read before. Now to my actual post, which is more directed towards the OPs experience and does not deal with general RL out of character moral-questions or petition-stuff: I'm writing this mostly from a InCharacter perspective: One thing I personally like about EVE is its dark nature and lawlessnes. The EVE universe is not full of shiny heroes, boasting about their righteuous attitude, how they fight for honesty and the law and try to purge evil, though there are a few out there. It's more of a sandbox which allows you to act good, bad, to turn sides whenever you like, while facing the reaction of other people or entities (such as corporations and alliances). The impression that seemingly "secure" space is controlled by strict "lawful good" organisations, is wrong. Take a look at the (background) story: It's full of seemingly reasonless agression, hatered, treachery, murder and backstabbing and a whole lot of war and bloodshed. One may question the way one is introduced to this universe but older players know about it's abysmal psychological (roleplaying) depths. Whole corporations or alliances got robbed or backstabbed by people they trusted, be it their leaders or ordinary members. Showing off your capabilites on weaker subjects is definitely possible - and reasonal. You gain something (be it a ego-boost or a monetary value) without losing anything - except your reputation. Not everybody is bad of course. Having the will and intention to get in touch with trustworthy people (be it through a corporation you're member of or just "regular" trading/mining/missionrunning partners) does definitely pay off. There are a few people I put so much trust in that I'd give them everything I've got without worrying to permanently lose it - though it took ages to earn and prove what I "feel". I'm in a corporation which gives me the feeling of being surrounded by personalites who think a bit alike and share a vision of "having fun" amongst other goals. I'm sure you're asking by now how this all is supposed to help you. Well, life is easier when you don't worry too much. I know you've lost a ship, the modules fitted on it and possibly a large amount of your overall possesions. You've got a reason to question it. But you've learned an important lesson: EVE is rough. There are a lot of scoundrels out there (Including myself by the way. I'm a pirate and wouldn't hesitate to shoot you once the opportunity arises but it's nothing personal. It's business. And business is good. And fun.) but the further your advance on your way towards your goals the more you'll see that it was worth it. No risk, no fun - especially in EVE. More concrete advice: Try to get away from "hubs". Look for another nice system and carefully find out who you can rely on and who not while learning and earning some ISK to get closer to your goals. Try joining a corporation with players who fit your style/attitude. Try to be one of those who are upholding the law and can be trusted - or became a scoundrel yourself. Whatever you do, have fun with it and prepare to face the consequences. If you find yourself in trouble somewhere, try to call for help - if you're not in player-corporation use local. Keep in mind that some people not in your corporation might try to screw you again - so use it wisely ;) The next time you scoop up any player-owned cans be ready to warp out or dock instantly after doing so - unless you know the person offering you to take it and trust him. People in player-corporations are more likely to keep word than people in NPC-corps - of course only if they're the "good guys". I hope you'll enjoy your further adventures. Regards, NeoNeTiC SWIGG-Roleplaying-Psychologist

Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.28 11:38:00 - [131] People seem to confuse 'not coddling the new players' with 'being leet kiddies' or whatever. The OP was stupid and paid the price, there is nothing else to it. Welcome to the Jungle. -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Dionisius Gallente Vagabundos THE H0RDE	Posted - 2007.02.28 11:49:00 - [132] Well guys like the one that poped the OP should be banned. There is no honour, no gain, no point in doing that, its cheer stupidity and it leads to potential new players to cancel their accounts. Whatever you say about, welcome to the jungle, this and that, what happened to this guy, sure happens or happened to alot of us but the people that do it should be permanently banned. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.02.28 12:03:00 - [133] Originally by: Montague Zooma Eve is one of the most complicated and poorly documented games on the market. Let's make fun of every new player who doesn't immediately know the "correct" terminology Complicated? No. Its the other mmo's who are simple and designed for children. And my post was informative, not mockery.
Rabbitual Ferrier	Posted - 2007.02.28 12:34:00 - [134] Theres a lot of people on here with the 'ha ha go back to WoW attitude, its your fault.' and they are kind of right, Eve is very different in that your are very much thrown in at the deep end, and their attitude probably stems more from the fact that they've been caught out, killed or ripped off in some similar way. And it is a valuable lesson about Eve, that its a very different experience. But its still griefing as laid out by CCP, and these kinds of people aren't the general rule, and it will only be a length of time until you start taking advantage of situations over other people (abiet not necessarily in such a lame way). Eve is a great game, and has an enourmous amount of freedom that is simply down to the minimal involvement of the CCP. However the price that comes with are the griefers (not the Pirates) but the wannabe Ginger Magicians (although thinking abut that...). Most of them are sadly very normal people....
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.28 12:39:00 - [135] Isn't the major point here that dying while in a newb ship, in a character which was just created loses you LITERALLY nothing. No clone costs, no ship costs, free Velator!
Matt Hunter Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.28 13:38:00 - [136] OP made a mistake and is crying about it here. IMO both parties are wrong. OP shouldn't have been dumb enough to loot a can right in front of the greifer. Greifer should not have killed a newb in a newb ship. Lesson learned, get on with your virtual life, get strong and find the guy and kick his greifing butt. Chuck Norris pretends to be me.
Franconis	Posted - 2007.02.28 14:48:00 - [137] Originally by: RaazAguul Im not even in the game for a few hours, haven't even finished the tutorial. I just learned how to take stuff from wreckages. Then a high level guy comes to the training station and puts out a bunch of canisters that says "free stuff for noobs" I take one, and he kills me. I launch again and instantly he kills me again. I did not know that there was a 15 minute waiting time or even that Id get killed for taking the "trap" at a training base? Do the GMs acctually think this is acceptable? The guy knew I had no clue what I was doing when he set the trap at the training base. The guy also knew I had no clue about the 15 minute waiting time. I really have no desire to play on any further either. So GMs should take note of this. Account cancelled. you got pwned.
Julius Augustas	Posted - 2007.02.28 15:36:00 - [138] Originally by: Hektor Ramirez Edited by: Hektor Ramirez on 27/02/2007 01:23:30 Originally by: RaazAguul to place a cargo box out there that says "free stuff for noobs" implys just that. And then to turn around and kill them for doing so is griefing. Haha oh man, it's like a demented space version of Wile E. Coyote and Roadrunner where Roadrunner eats the "free bird seed" and an anvil drops on his head and credits roll. He needed to be in an inty though so he could speed away. And yes, think of it as part of the tutorial.
Tarron Sarek Gallente Endica Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.28 15:50:00 - [139] Originally by: Arialla Originally by: Hektor Ramirez Originally by: Arialla I think "sadism" is a more correct term. The inevitable armchair psychology is always the best part of these threads Thank you. I aim to be the best part of any thread I post in, unlike others, who just troll, contributing nothing, just trying to stir up people but generally just being annoying pests. Thanks Arialla for pointing that out just when I was about to do it. Half-assed bullies without a sense of social competence surely are my favourites. ___________________________________ _/_/ Game balance isn't just a luxury \_\_
Emily Spankratchet Minmatar Pragmatics	Posted - 2007.02.28 15:55:00 - [140] Originally by: Darkenral EVE is NOTHING like when I started in 2005, in 2005 generally if someone offered to help they helped, after a fight generally a good convo ensued, and the forums while always rowdy were never like this cesspool they have become. I agree with some of your points. But... Quote: Social Engineering - yeah ok lying to a bunch of ppl on TS to get them to trust you then selling them out ... is it a wonder nobody plays anymore with ppl they dont know in RL? Wasn't 2005 the year of the Guiding Hand Social Club heist? Not everything was different then.

Tarron Sarek Gallente Endica Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.28 16:06:00 - [141] Originally by: Kumu Honua The guy who lured him with a can was a griefer and should be reported and let CCP deal with them. http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336 Quote: An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated. Thanks a bunch for staying level headed and posting facts instead of some lame smack talk. Some people seem to need their daily dose of bashing to.. yeah actually I don't wanna know. ___________________________________ _/_/ Game balance isn't just a luxury \_\_
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2007.02.28 18:28:00 - [142] Originally by: RaazAguul The guy knew I had no clue what I was doing when he set the trap at the training base. The guy also knew I had no clue about the 15 minute waiting time. You didn't know. Know you know. The faster you learn, the better. What's the problem? It's not like you lost anything (rookie ship are given free of charge). You should be thankful he killed you while you still had the rookie ship, not some other ship. As for no desire to play anymore. If you can't afford to lose a free rookie ship, than the game is really not for you == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Maltere	Posted - 2007.02.28 18:49:00 - [143] well, i havent read all of this, ive quickly skipped through a lot, and to be fair, half the replies i have seen make me realise that the eve community is going to **** half of you sound like teenagers, flaming the op for what happened. Eve used to be a pretty mature game once over. This is someone NEW, doesnt know the game mechanics, thought someone was helping the new person, as some people still do, and got ganked for his trust. Then he comes on here and finds out that the general mentality of the eve community is comparable to a school playground. way to go people, excellent way to welcome people to the game.
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2007.02.28 21:54:00 - [144] Originally by: Maltere This is someone NEW, doesnt know the game mechanics ... and got ganked for his trust. Is there a more perfect time to learn such things as can-agro timer and "dont trust anyone in EvE" other than at the very beginning with a free replaceable ship? Honestly, answer the question. Would it have been better if he learned it the hard way after spending several weeks mining for his first cruiser and spending all his money on it and losing it all? == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Dragon Lord Caldari Helion Production Labs	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:42:00 - [145] Edited by: Dragon Lord on 28/02/2007 22:39:00 seriously m8, give the game another go, so u learnt a hard lesson some eve players like to play dirty but trust me when i say loosing a noob ship and equipment is NOTHING to what you can loose deeper into the game. Best thing to do is join a corp and ask lots and lots and lots of questions. Most people are happy to help will ships to fly, setups to use skills to train and scams and grief tactics to watch out for. Seriously this game is cool and im only 10 months into it myself.
Reggie Stoneloader eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:19:00 - [146] Edited by: Reggie Stoneloader on 01/03/2007 00:18:43 I bet the guy who killed him popped a three-inch chubby when he saw this thread. Outrage, shame, disgust and rancor are among the prizes griefers value. It's bad sportsmanship, reprehensible condust and probably indicative of a bad attitude in general. I like to imagine that the griefers are all pubescent young boys out to prove in a virtual galaxy what they can't prove on the playground, but I suspect that a large number of them are frustrated professionals, unrequited lovers or just generally jerks with bad attitudes and low self-esteem. Grief play is my least favorite sort of meta-gaming, because it breaks the fourth wall, targeting the actual player rather than the character or even the character's assets. It's outside the realm of the video game and into the real world. In this case, a guy quit EvE because of in-game actions, and whoever brought that about would probably be glad to hear it. That's bad gaming. Originally by: hydraSlav Honestly, answer the question. Would it have been better if he learned it the hard way after spending several weeks mining for his first cruiser and spending all his money on it and losing it all? I did that. Got my first Osprey with a week worth of Bantam pump & jump and some borrowed funds, then learned about jetcan mining, ore thieves, can flagging, counter flagging, why a Rifter's a better 1v1 ship than an Osprey with one assault launcher, and why you should insure your ships all within about a ten-minute window. Totally freaking destitute. That's when I switched from mining skills to shooting skills.
Lance Hawke New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:26:00 - [147] So can I have your velator or not?
Cainex	Posted - 2007.03.01 01:04:00 - [148] I do feel sorry for the OP....that would really leave a bad taste in my mouth of that's how I was introduced to this game. Unfortunately he has learned what we have all learned eventually, some of the people who play are real ****s
Hypatia Iola Caldari Warhounds	Posted - 2007.03.01 01:45:00 - [149] am i the only one who noticed that the OP has been absent since page 2? anyway man(if you're listening), and everyone else (same concept) i'm a whopping 3 months old, and a bunch o my friends just started(literally 2 days ago) and you know what, we've been getting the crap blasted out of us. seriously, we've been ganked, blasted, blobbed, and ONE TIME solo ratted to hell and back. we've gotten HOSED. beaten, bloodied, pummeled, and other descriptions of being absurdly abused as well. but you know what,. my friends are all saying "dude this game is AWESOME" because they see that if someone else can do it, so can they. we're getting together a "safari" to go hunting the guys who've blown us away. We'll probably lose, but that's okay. we'll kill SOMETHING of theirs, and that mean eventually we can wipe them the hell out. the only gripe i have with Eve isn't that PvP is unfair, but that if i want to do it i basically MUST be a pirate. for a supposedly PvP based game there seems to be only one way to do it. What if i want to bounty hunt but not have a damned negative sec status (i'm a good guy at heart)? that's it. now the guy who did this whole n00battack thing is a moron by all accounts, deserves to be eaten by cannibalistic but misguided orangutans, etc. but there is a recourse here. BTW i can see him thinking "Hey free stuff! This guy seems alright, I guess he won't us that 'opportunity ti attack' that this talks about" i can see it because i'd drop cans and just let people have the stuff if it wouldn't let goofy retards like whatever the griefer's name was be more effective. be nicer, be more like me, because i am in all ways perfect. that includes my grammar and spelling BTW, so if you're about to say something about it it just means that YOU are wrong and i am right. http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/users/45d4e030z1b06b782/flibbertigibbet2/__sr_/72c2scd.jpg?pf0GO1FB.4ah3.DN


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