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Skraeling Shortbus Caldari Gallente Federal Bank Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:28:00 - [31] Edited by: Skraeling Shortbus on 27/02/2007 04:24:29 Originally by: RaazAguul Im not even in the game for a few hours, haven't even finished the tutorial. Account cancelled. How do you cancel a trial account?
FromBeyond TheGrave Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:32:00 - [32] Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus Edited by: Skraeling Shortbus on 27/02/2007 04:24:29 Originally by: RaazAguul Im not even in the game for a few hours, haven't even finished the tutorial. Account cancelled. How do you cancel a trial account? Brick+Monitor Thats my guess anyways
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:48:00 - [33] Naming a can "Free stuff" in a 1.0 starter system is indeed considered harassment. Petition under that category, the GM's will take care of it including a warning to the offender.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:02:00 - [34] Personally I think this type of thing is good as long as it not rampant.. I mean what did he lose.. Absolutely nothing as his shiney new replacement n00b ship with complementary 1 unit of trit was waiting for him as soon as he docked.. Bet the guy thinks twice next time he goes to do something hes not sure about.. and really.. don't we need more thinking players instead of emo reactionary ones anyways? The Devs did state there was an upper limit to Eve's total future population.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Fswd	Posted - 2007.02.27 07:01:00 - [35] Bye
Mr Cranky	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:21:00 - [36] If you can't read the warning before emptying someone can, dont play eve. Makes me wanna do the happy dance that another whining noob left the games.. we can do without them.. can i have your ehm nevermind....
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:22:00 - [37] Can I have your complementary unit of Trit? -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:28:00 - [38] Originally by: RaazAguul It's a damn trap for noobs and he knew it. regardless whether or not it said dont take. to place a cargo box out there that says "free stuff for noobs" implys just that. And then to turn around and kill them for doing so is griefing. It's BS. He knew that eventually someone like me, who did not know what was going on would come along and fall for his trap. You can rationalize his killing me any way you want to, but its still a lame ass kill. Unlike a lot of games--but a lot like life--whether something was lame or not isn't that important a question in EVE. Instead, the questions to ask are usually "How did I screw up?" and "What am I going to do about it?" If you've already cancelled, there's probably not any point in trying to explain it further. But hopefully you'll give EVE another chance. It requires a different frame of mind from most other MMORGS,but there's a lot here for players who can cope with a difficult universe and are good at learning from their mistakes. Best of luck, regardless. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
RaazAguul	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:51:00 - [39] So I've calmed down some and here's my opinion. I've played a lot of games, where people help the new players to the game for the purpose of recruiting new players to guilds, to encourage them to stick with the low levels or to just help a new guy out. So someone having crates out there that say "FREE STUFF FOR NOOBS" seemed pretty cool to me. Specially since I just learned that you can take stuff from Wrecks. But as it turns out, the guy is a piece of crap and preys on people who don't know what the hell is going on yet. But what is more surprising to me is that most of you seem to think that this guy did nothing wrong at all, and the entire thing was my fault. In fact, it almost seems that you are encouraging this kind of behavior, and even think that a high level guy going to the "noob base" and putting out traps for total noobs so he can repeatedly kill them is funny. Well, you all will have to excuse me for not knowing how to play the game and foolishly thinking that at the "training base" I was safe from being griefed before I even left the sector. I don't think that it's a good thing that i got killed early so I didn't lose any credits later. I think it's a good thing that I got griefed early so I don't pay any real money and waste any more time on this game. I'll try not to let the door hit me in the ass on the way out.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:12:00 - [40] Edited by: Ki An on 27/02/2007 09:08:29 Originally by: RaazAguul So I've calmed down some and here's my opinion. I completely understand you, and I feel sorry that you have found that EVE isn't the game for you. EVE is a niched game, one that is hard to appreciate, especially right away, and especially if you are so used to other MMO's that you expect EVE to be more or less the same. Because it isn't. EVE is a harsh environment, and while nobody (almost) thinks what that guy did to you was cool, some of us still feel that there shouldn't be anything stopping him from doing it. This is the sandbox that is EVE. (Although, I should say that in this particular case, I believe that it is a matter of griefing that isn't allowed even in EVE, so you might want to petition it.) What I am trying to say here is that the sooner you learn that pop-ups are there for a reason, and that you really cannot trust anyone you just met, the better it is for you, and the further you will go in EVE. Some people can play years in EVE, completely lulled into a false sense of security, and then, BAM, they loose almost all they have in one go, simply because they where not prepared for the fact that all space is dangerous, and everyone might be out to kill you. You learned this right away, and you didn't loose anything for the lesson. It's easy for me to say that you should take this lesson and get on with your EVE life, but I can understand if you want to quit over this. It is clear to me that you are used to games like WoW. You speak of levels when there are no levels in EVE. You do not have a real grasp of what kind of game this is. This is nothing unique to you, but everyone who is here has learned to play the game, and persevered during hard times. EVE is a hobby more than a game. If you are looking for a relaxing pastime to play only when you feel like it, and only in a manner of your chosing without the interference of other people, then EVE definately isn't the game for you. Anyway, I've lost my track here, but I do feel you should give it another go. Read up some on the forums. Get a feel for the game, and then jump into the pilot's seat once more. /Ki Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!

Redpants Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:22:00 - [41] Was your attacker a member of the Privateer Alliance? They're only out for quality PvP. _____________________________________________________________________ "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."
Miss Anthropy	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:44:00 - [42] Originally by: mechtech It's a better lesson to learn in a noob ship than in a ship that you payed for. I'd thank him, hehe. Anyway, learn from mistakes and move on, it's a central theme in eve. Agreed. Be glad you learned this early on. I've lost vastly more expensive ships to griefers and it hurts not just your pride, but your wallet. ------------ UNDERpants. Pants that go UNDER!
Mr Mozzie Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:55:00 - [43] Edited by: Mr Mozzie on 27/02/2007 09:56:11 There are a lot of people playing eve who can not fathom that a person who has just started playing would not know things that they consider obvious. Eve is a very difficult game to get into. There is a lot for a new player to learn and little of this is intuative. If you would still like to try eve further, you should conider joining EVE University. EVE University is an altruistic corp that concentrates on teaching new players to be successful in eve. There are always people online who are more than willing to answer questions. Checkout EVE-Uni's forums or the posts from the recruitment forum (1 2). We would be glad to have you. Cheers, Mozzie
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:17:00 - [44] Originally by: Mr Mozzie Edited by: Mr Mozzie on 27/02/2007 09:58:45 Edited by: Mr Mozzie on 27/02/2007 09:56:11 There are a lot of people playing eve who can not fathom that a person who has just started playing would not know things that they consider obvious. Eve is a very difficult game to get into. There is a lot for a new player to learn and little of this is intuative. The warning is the modern day version of 'Death shall come on swift wings to whomever opens this box', being unable to comprehend basic english has nothing to do with the game. Also, Eve isn't that difficult to get into, not if you pay attention and apply a little gray matter. -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Malcanis Galactech Industries Ltd. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:34:00 - [45] Originally by: RaazAguul It's a damn trap for noobs and he knew it. regardless whether or not it said dont take. to place a cargo box out there that says "free stuff for noobs" implys just that. And then to turn around and kill them for doing so is griefing. It's BS. He knew that eventually someone like me, who did not know what was going on would come along and fall for his trap. You can rationalize his killing me any way you want to, but its still a lame ass kill. So you had a big click-through warning, which you completely ignored? EVE is not for you, my friend.
Malcanis Galactech Industries Ltd. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:42:00 - [46] "Also, Eve isn't that difficult to get into, not if you pay attention and apply a little gray matter" Agreed, there's a hell of a lot to learn - I learn something new almost every time I log in even after playing for 5 or 6 months. Some see that as a good thing, and they enjoy EVE. Some see that as a flaw and they post like OP.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:46:00 - [47] It's not about the stance the GMs take on griefing or the fact that Eve is a cut-throat game out to kill over and over. It's about reading a dialogue box the first time. OMG HE CANCELLED HIS ACCOUT OH NOES! CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF? Wait his stuff got blowed up... - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - - "186,282 miles per second; It's not just a good idea, it's the law."
Gealbhan Caldari The Big Sky Corp	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:50:00 - [48] When I started out I lost 6 ships in 4 days. once concorded and 5 times to ratting in sectors i was too young for. You take your punches and move on. I learned to deal with ship and item loss from the start, didn't do me any harm at all. Now if I get blown to pieces I just shrug and go refit another ship. "Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things"
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:53:00 - [49] theroretical if they whine in local or private chat tell them eve is a PVP game ( if u are low enough to shoot noobs) and that they should join a player corp etc etc Point out to them the lesson involving yellow cans that arent theres etc etc. 10% might leave but 90% will learn from it even i got caught early on
Kryss Darkdust	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:05:00 - [50] Edited by: Kryss Darkdust on 27/02/2007 11:05:09 Originally by: RaazAguul Im not even in the game for a few hours, haven't even finished the tutorial. I just learned how to take stuff from wreckages. Then a high level guy comes to the training station and puts out a bunch of canisters that says "free stuff for noobs" I take one, and he kills me. I launch again and instantly he kills me again. I did not know that there was a 15 minute waiting time or even that Id get killed for taking the "trap" at a training base? Do the GMs acctually think this is acceptable? The guy knew I had no clue what I was doing when he set the trap at the training base. The guy also knew I had no clue about the 15 minute waiting time. I really have no desire to play on any further either. So GMs should take note of this. Account cancelled. It's an unfortunate thing about Eve but there are a lot of really lame people, both in the game and on this forum. Fortunatly CCP is not sadistic, I know of two accounts that have been deleted outright for this exact type of incident and if you petition the guy will at the very least be suspended, at the worse have his account canceled. By the way in all likelyhood this guy is a complete noob himself as no player worth his salt would waste his time hanging around in Noob systems. You should post his name here so that we may have our way with him. Are you are gamer? www.playhardliveeasy.blogspot.com

Leonidas Rex Amarr Dark Excession The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:07:00 - [51] Originally by: hotgirl933 read the warnings learn the lesson and move on Two things: 1: You need to work on your public relations skill. 2: Learn how to write, we have . and , in written language, as well as the occasional captial letter. Oh sorry.. have a third one as well, your name suck... Well, no offence. :) On a more serious note, I find it annoying how people just dismiss other peoples opinions about the game only because it doesnt coincide with their own. If someone gets killed in an apparantly lame way the response is just that; "learn the game and move on". FFS people.. cant you see that there is something wrong, not only with the game, but the people playing it? Another example is when someone suggest content for the small player in the game, the player who doesnt have the time to earn 1 billion isk and build a POS. The answer is usually: "stop complaining, buy a ship, go to 0.0, kill and gank and build a POS, the content is there, the content is there, your just too lazy, stupid, n00b to find it." No, a POS is not for the casual gamer, sorry but it doesnt matter how much you try to justify it. This game is truly going downhill, and not because its a bad game, but just because the number of idiots who is playing is on a steady increase and soon they will drown the sensible players with they sheit and bad manners.
Bilanto Gatejumper Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:13:00 - [52] I have not even bother to read half of all that you have written, but this is actually stated as a example of a bannable offense. http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336 So all those who laugh and call him a noob, yes he is and he is under the specific protection of CCP until he is finished with the tutorial. Its a little funny. I helped a friend of mine yesterday with the tutorial. I created a new character to help him step by step and once we got out where the training complex was there was people running around in destroyers. It was rather obvious why they where there. They wanted players to grab there loot and then kill them. I did not fell for it but was called a noob when I claimed that what he did was griefing and that it was bannable. Later I will take a day and make it a BUSSY day for a GM or two by deliberately "go for there trap" and get killed and then petition them.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:16:00 - [53] Originally by: Leonidas Rex On a more serious note, I find it annoying how people just dismiss other peoples opinions about the game only because it doesnt coincide with their own. If someone gets killed in an apparantly lame way the response is just that; "learn the game and move on". What else is there to say? Bang up job ignoring the warnings and getting yourself killed? It's lame certainly, but it does get you in the right mindset for surviving Eve. Originally by: Leonidas Rex Another example is when someone suggest content for the small player in the game, the player who doesnt have the time to earn 1 billion isk and build a POS. The answer is usually: "stop complaining, buy a ship, go to 0.0, kill and gank and build a POS, the content is there, the content is there, your just too lazy, stupid, n00b to find it." No, a POS is not for the casual gamer, sorry but it doesnt matter how much you try to justify it. 240M for a fully fit POS and 2 months of fuel, and how do you define casual? -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:18:00 - [54] Originally by: RaazAguul So I've calmed down some and here's my opinion. I've played a lot of games, where people help the new players to the game for the purpose of recruiting new players to guilds, to encourage them to stick with the low levels or to just help a new guy out. So someone having crates out there that say "FREE STUFF FOR NOOBS" seemed pretty cool to me. Specially since I just learned that you can take stuff from Wrecks. But as it turns out, the guy is a piece of crap and preys on people who don't know what the hell is going on yet. But what is more surprising to me is that most of you seem to think that this guy did nothing wrong at all, and the entire thing was my fault. In fact, it almost seems that you are encouraging this kind of behavior, and even think that a high level guy going to the "noob base" and putting out traps for total noobs so he can repeatedly kill them is funny. Well, you all will have to excuse me for not knowing how to play the game and foolishly thinking that at the "training base" I was safe from being griefed before I even left the sector. I don't think that it's a good thing that i got killed early so I didn't lose any credits later. I think it's a good thing that I got griefed early so I don't pay any real money and waste any more time on this game. I'll try not to let the door hit me in the ass on the way out. if you have already quit, why are you still posting here? btw there are no guilds in eve. wow servers are the other way. ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:18:00 - [55] Originally by: RaazAguul Im not even in the game for a few hours, haven't even finished the tutorial. I just learned how to take stuff from wreckages. Then a high level guy comes to the training station and puts out a bunch of canisters that says "free stuff for noobs" I take one, and he kills me. I launch again and instantly he kills me again. I did not know that there was a 15 minute waiting time or even that Id get killed for taking the "trap" at a training base? Do the GMs acctually think this is acceptable? The guy knew I had no clue what I was doing when he set the trap at the training base. The guy also knew I had no clue about the 15 minute waiting time. I really have no desire to play on any further either. So GMs should take note of this. Account cancelled. Yeah there are some gits in this game, but give it another go. Contact my corp in game and we can train you up. Before you do though there is one thing you did wrong that you need to understand if you are to try Eve again. A warning will have appeared before you opened the can. There was a reason for this. Eve is not your average fluffly bunny friendly gaming environment and although some GMs might have a quiet chat with the person that blew you up they can't do much more because Eve is supposed to be harsh. The lesson you have to learn if you are to play Eve is that whilst it allows players to grief other players it generally provides the tools to mitigate the risk. The big thing is to realise that it is considered your responsibility to use those tools. If you don't or won't use them you won't get much sympathy. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Please don't read this signature.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:21:00 - [56] Originally by: Mr Cranky If you can't read the warning before emptying someone can, dont play eve. Makes me wanna do the happy dance that another whining noob left the games.. we can do without them.. can i have your ehm nevermind.... Yes. CCP does not need more players to replace those that leave over time. We will all be happy to see the service run down and the servers close Noobs should be cut some slack. They already have enough to deal with and a couple of hours training and hand-holding will remove the whinage from most of them. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Please don't read this signature.
Kryss Darkdust	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:21:00 - [57] Originally by: RaazAguul So I've calmed down some and here's my opinion. I've played a lot of games, where people help the new players to the game for the purpose of recruiting new players to guilds, to encourage them to stick with the low levels or to just help a new guy out. So someone having crates out there that say "FREE STUFF FOR NOOBS" seemed pretty cool to me. Specially since I just learned that you can take stuff from Wrecks. But as it turns out, the guy is a piece of crap and preys on people who don't know what the hell is going on yet. But what is more surprising to me is that most of you seem to think that this guy did nothing wrong at all, and the entire thing was my fault. In fact, it almost seems that you are encouraging this kind of behavior, and even think that a high level guy going to the "noob base" and putting out traps for total noobs so he can repeatedly kill them is funny. Well, you all will have to excuse me for not knowing how to play the game and foolishly thinking that at the "training base" I was safe from being griefed before I even left the sector. I don't think that it's a good thing that i got killed early so I didn't lose any credits later. I think it's a good thing that I got griefed early so I don't pay any real money and waste any more time on this game. I'll try not to let the door hit me in the ass on the way out. Unfortunatly your part of a ever growing number of people that are leaving the game before they ever even start it. Over the last year I know of at least 30 people that have quit over grief tactics during their trial accounts. Unfortunatly most of the pin heads on this forum give the correct first impression of Eve. Its a ruthless, thankless game in which you have to assume the worst about every individual in the game. Its how CCP has designed, presented and support the game to be and its exactly what it is. Despite it, I can assure you that if you stayed, things will improve dramaticaly and in no time flat you'll be able to exact your revenge on the jackelopes of Eve, like the guy that hangs out in noob systems to trap noobies. Fortunatly, people like him are always easy kills. Are you are gamer? www.playhardliveeasy.blogspot.com
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:27:00 - [58] Originally by: RaazAguul So I've calmed down some and here's my opinion. [snip] But what is more surprising to me is that most of you seem to think that this guy did nothing wrong at all, and the entire thing was my fault. It was. The difference is that some of us understand that noobs make mistakes. I think all of us think it was a lame kill. However:This is Eve. It would not be the great game it is if this kind of thing wasn't possible. It sounds like you are prepared to give it another go so contact me in-game (use Eve-mail) and I'll explain a few things. You don't have to join our corp but we have a friendly free channel you can join. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Please don't read this signature.
Eilene Fernite	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:55:00 - [59] Yeah ok, blowing up an ibis from a player still in his tutorial is a sad thing to do. There's not really a point in it, but I guess some people will do silly things at times. Then again, it's also sad to throw a hissy fit over losing an ibis. I mean come on, you just have to dock to get a brand spanking new ibis, with free trit in the cargo hold. Seriously, don't get upset, lighten up and laugh at the poor sod outside who thinks he's uber because he just gunned down a 5 minute old noob.
Maam	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:00:00 - [60] Mate, one thing you;ll learn if you stay is that the forums are even less friendly than the game! Go back in tonight, get him to grief you again, and get his full name and corps. Post it here and I'm sure some griefer griefers will have a bit of fun. Hell, I might even come along with my friends kin and therm and give him a bit more of a challenge after taking stuff from his noob baiting cans.



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