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RaazAguul	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:01:00 - [1] Im not even in the game for a few hours, haven't even finished the tutorial. I just learned how to take stuff from wreckages. Then a high level guy comes to the training station and puts out a bunch of canisters that says "free stuff for noobs" I take one, and he kills me. I launch again and instantly he kills me again. I did not know that there was a 15 minute waiting time or even that Id get killed for taking the "trap" at a training base? Do the GMs acctually think this is acceptable? The guy knew I had no clue what I was doing when he set the trap at the training base. The guy also knew I had no clue about the 15 minute waiting time. I really have no desire to play on any further either. So GMs should take note of this. Account cancelled.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:03:00 - [2] Yeap, welcome to grief-online. Can I have your stuff? wait, you didn't had any... ohh
FromBeyond TheGrave Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:04:00 - [3] There was a greek myth about some girl and this box of doom oh what was it called? scratches his forehead
Caligulus Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:05:00 - [4] Petition the incident. Griefing in noob systems is disgraceful. What was the character's name?
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:06:00 - [5] Petition him for harassment. GM's frown heavily on people doing this in starter systems.
Nikla Uthaan Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:07:00 - [6] There IS a big box which appears which says 'Taking from this can will criminally flag you and it's contents owner can freely attack you' though. However yeah, there are people who bait newbies, and it is reportable in some cases. ----------------- One word,, emo,,, The Mishing is an ethnic group in the districts of North Lakhimpur, Sonitput, Dhemaji, Dibrugarh, Sibsagar, Jorhat, Golaghat, Tinsukia of Assam.
Marlenus Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:08:00 - [7] They can't frown on it too hard, not when there's a whole alliance that does this openly under the name "The Griefer's Alliance." If petitions would do any good, I should think they'd be out of business. ------------------ Ironfleet.com
RaazAguul	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:08:00 - [8] Termullius or something like that.
Hektor Ramirez Outer Ring Tourist Information Center	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:09:00 - [9] Originally by: RaazAguul Then a high level guy comes to the training station and puts out a bunch of canisters that says "free stuff for noobs" I take one, and he kills me. So you read the warning message that said "If you pick up stuff from other people's containers they will **** you up", klicked Ok and did it anyway, right? -
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:12:00 - [10] A) Petition it. GMs don't like it, and will probably reimburse you for your loss and/or punish the griefer. B) Take note of the big box saying "if you take from this you can be shot". Its there for a reason. C) Nothing you lose at this early stage really matters that much. You can earn what seems like a fortune on day one in 5 minutes on day 5. D) If it seems too good to be true, it probably is. Naked pictures of Anna Kournikova? hi-ho Trojan, AWAY! Free stuff in a convenient can..........? -------- Originally by: Constantine Arcanum most problems can be solved with chloroform.
RaazAguul	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:13:00 - [11] It's a damn trap for noobs and he knew it. regardless whether or not it said dont take. to place a cargo box out there that says "free stuff for noobs" implys just that. And then to turn around and kill them for doing so is griefing. It's BS. He knew that eventually someone like me, who did not know what was going on would come along and fall for his trap. You can rationalize his killing me any way you want to, but its still a lame ass kill.
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:15:00 - [12] read the warnings learn the lesson and move on
mechtech	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:18:00 - [13] It's a better lesson to learn in a noob ship than in a ship that you payed for. I'd thank him, hehe. Anyway, learn from mistakes and move on, it's a central theme in eve.
FromBeyond TheGrave Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:21:00 - [14] Originally by: RaazAguul It's a damn trap for noobs and he knew it. regardless whether or not it said dont take. to place a cargo box out there that says "free stuff for noobs" implys just that. And then to turn around and kill them for doing so is griefing. It's BS. He knew that eventually someone like me, who did not know what was going on would come along and fall for his trap. You can rationalize his killing me any way you want to, but its still a lame ass kill. Just like those big red stop signs at the intersections are just there to keep all the good stuff out of reach right?
Ikarushka Gallente A.O.U. Corp	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:23:00 - [15] Originally by: RaazAguul Im not even in the game for a few hours, haven't even finished the tutorial. I just learned how to take stuff from wreckages. Then a high level guy comes to the training station and puts out a bunch of canisters that says "free stuff for noobs" I take one, and he kills me. I launch again and instantly he kills me again. I did not know that there was a 15 minute waiting time or even that Id get killed for taking the "trap" at a training base? Do the GMs acctually think this is acceptable? The guy knew I had no clue what I was doing when he set the trap at the training base. The guy also knew I had no clue about the 15 minute waiting time. I really have no desire to play on any further either. So GMs should take note of this. Account cancelled. you learned the lesson during your first few hours, it takes much longer for others... No point in whining on the forum, you had a message that stated that the owner of the container will be able to attack yo. Think of it as a part of the tutorial.
Hektor Ramirez Outer Ring Tourist Information Center	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:26:00 - [16] Edited by: Hektor Ramirez on 27/02/2007 01:23:30 Originally by: RaazAguul to place a cargo box out there that says "free stuff for noobs" implys just that. And then to turn around and kill them for doing so is griefing. Haha oh man, it's like a demented space version of Wile E. Coyote and Roadrunner where Roadrunner eats the "free bird seed" and an anvil drops on his head and credits roll. -
Kal Oman Delta Desperados	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:28:00 - [17] Sorry for your troubles RaazAguul... It may seem absurd, but you are kinda lucky to have your will tested this early in the game. If you feel you can't handle this kind of setback (lame or not), than EvE will not be a game you enjoy. If you are able to foster your anger, build your toon up and take revenge on this lamer and his corp a few months from now, you will find its your perfect game. I wish you the best.
Soporo	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:28:00 - [18] Quote: You can rationalize his killing me any way you want to, but its still a lame ass kill. Your right, but its not the kill he's after. Its pleasure gained from anothers misfortune, theres a medical term for that. Whats that Corps name that helps new people out again? Maybe someone should point him in that direction.
FromBeyond TheGrave Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:28:00 - [19] Originally by: Hektor Ramirez Edited by: Hektor Ramirez on 27/02/2007 01:23:30 Originally by: RaazAguul to place a cargo box out there that says "free stuff for noobs" implys just that. And then to turn around and kill them for doing so is griefing. Haha oh man, it's like a demented space version of Wile E. Coyote and Roadrunner where Roadrunner eats the "free bird seed" and an anvil drops on his head and credits roll.
RaazAguul	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:38:00 - [20] You are right Kal. Eve is not the game for me.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.27 01:39:00 - [21] Originally by: RaazAguul Im not even in the game for a few hours, haven't even finished the tutorial. I just learned how to take stuff from wreckages. Then a high level guy comes to the training station and puts out a bunch of canisters that says "free stuff for noobs" I take one, and he kills me. I launch again and instantly he kills me again. I did not know that there was a 15 minute waiting time or even that Id get killed for taking the "trap" at a training base? Do the GMs acctually think this is acceptable? The guy knew I had no clue what I was doing when he set the trap at the training base. The guy also knew I had no clue about the 15 minute waiting time. I really have no desire to play on any further either. So GMs should take note of this. Account cancelled. Darwin Laughs.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.27 02:07:00 - [22] Originally by: RaazAguul Im not even in the game for a few hours, haven't even finished the tutorial. I just learned how to take stuff from wreckages. Then a high level guy comes to the training station and puts out a bunch of canisters that says "free stuff for noobs" I take one, and he kills me. I launch again and instantly he kills me again. I did not know that there was a 15 minute waiting time or even that Id get killed for taking the "trap" at a training base? Do the GMs acctually think this is acceptable? The guy knew I had no clue what I was doing when he set the trap at the training base. The guy also knew I had no clue about the 15 minute waiting time. I really have no desire to play on any further either. So GMs should take note of this. Account cancelled. I 'd explain that you should petition this, but if you cancelled your account, it's too late. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.27 02:42:00 - [23] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/02/2007 02:38:56 Originally by: Soporo Quote: You can rationalize his killing me any way you want to, but its still a lame ass kill. Your right, but its not the kill he's after. Its pleasure gained from anothers misfortune, theres a medical term for that. Its not a medical term. Its called "schadenfreude", and while the victim may not like it, its the basis of a large portion of modern society. On topic, GMs will generally ban people for griefing in starter systems. Petition it. EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Kiviar Caldari VorthosCorp	Posted - 2007.02.27 02:54:00 - [24] It is unfortunate that you would quit over such a piddling incident. Especially when you get a warning telling you that people can kill you if you loot their containers. However you probably made the right decision. No use in continuing to play and pay for a game that makes you that angry. In Eve lots of people will want to grief, you kill you, cheat you, or steal from you. It requires a lot of street smarts to survive, which is why I like it. Also Dark schadenfreude is perhaps the main reason I ever read these forums =P
Arialla Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.27 03:13:00 - [25] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/02/2007 02:38:56 Originally by: Soporo Quote: You can rationalize his killing me any way you want to, but its still a lame ass kill. Your right, but its not the kill he's after. Its pleasure gained from anothers misfortune, theres a medical term for that. Its not a medical term. Its called "schadenfreude", and while the victim may not like it, its the basis of a large portion of modern society. I think "sadism" is a more correct term. "Schadenfreude" does not imply infliction of the misfortune. The joy you experience from someone else's misfortune could be because of relief that it did not happen to you or that it benefits you in some way. If I am not mistaken then "sadism" is more closely associated with deriving joy from *inflicting* pain and misery. "Schadenfreude" is when everyone on the forums laugh at you when you whine about a "sadist" causing you misery. I could be completely wrong though. Just how I understand things. Your favorite ARE* and BI&, Arialla * Agent Runner Extraordinaire & Budding Industrialist
Hektor Ramirez Outer Ring Tourist Information Center	Posted - 2007.02.27 03:25:00 - [26] Originally by: Arialla I think "sadism" is a more correct term. The inevitable armchair psychology is always the best part of these threads -
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.27 03:28:00 - [27] The 'Peanut Gallery' posts are a favorite of mine too.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.27 03:30:00 - [28] Afaik this is considered griefing, so the people doing it would be in pretty serious trouble if the GM's were informed. I mean, tbh there is nothing more it could be... nothing to gain from it... --------
syphurous Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.27 03:35:00 - [29] Excuse me if I'm mistaken as it has been some months since I've run the tutorial but aren't alot of those warning messages hidden until you get past the entire thing ? Like the parts of the UI that are hidden ? ______________________________
Arialla Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:06:00 - [30] Originally by: Hektor Ramirez Originally by: Arialla I think "sadism" is a more correct term. The inevitable armchair psychology is always the best part of these threads Thank you. I aim to be the best part of any thread I post in, unlike others, who just troll, contributing nothing, just trying to stir up people but generally just being annoying pests. Your favorite ARE* and BI&, Arialla * Agent Runner Extraordinaire & Budding Industrialist
Skraeling Shortbus Caldari Gallente Federal Bank Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:28:00 - [31] Edited by: Skraeling Shortbus on 27/02/2007 04:24:29 Originally by: RaazAguul Im not even in the game for a few hours, haven't even finished the tutorial. Account cancelled. How do you cancel a trial account?
FromBeyond TheGrave Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:32:00 - [32] Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus Edited by: Skraeling Shortbus on 27/02/2007 04:24:29 Originally by: RaazAguul Im not even in the game for a few hours, haven't even finished the tutorial. Account cancelled. How do you cancel a trial account? Brick+Monitor Thats my guess anyways
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2007.02.27 04:48:00 - [33] Naming a can "Free stuff" in a 1.0 starter system is indeed considered harassment. Petition under that category, the GM's will take care of it including a warning to the offender.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.27 05:02:00 - [34] Personally I think this type of thing is good as long as it not rampant.. I mean what did he lose.. Absolutely nothing as his shiney new replacement n00b ship with complementary 1 unit of trit was waiting for him as soon as he docked.. Bet the guy thinks twice next time he goes to do something hes not sure about.. and really.. don't we need more thinking players instead of emo reactionary ones anyways? The Devs did state there was an upper limit to Eve's total future population.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Fswd	Posted - 2007.02.27 07:01:00 - [35] Bye
Mr Cranky	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:21:00 - [36] If you can't read the warning before emptying someone can, dont play eve. Makes me wanna do the happy dance that another whining noob left the games.. we can do without them.. can i have your ehm nevermind....
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:22:00 - [37] Can I have your complementary unit of Trit? -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:28:00 - [38] Originally by: RaazAguul It's a damn trap for noobs and he knew it. regardless whether or not it said dont take. to place a cargo box out there that says "free stuff for noobs" implys just that. And then to turn around and kill them for doing so is griefing. It's BS. He knew that eventually someone like me, who did not know what was going on would come along and fall for his trap. You can rationalize his killing me any way you want to, but its still a lame ass kill. Unlike a lot of games--but a lot like life--whether something was lame or not isn't that important a question in EVE. Instead, the questions to ask are usually "How did I screw up?" and "What am I going to do about it?" If you've already cancelled, there's probably not any point in trying to explain it further. But hopefully you'll give EVE another chance. It requires a different frame of mind from most other MMORGS,but there's a lot here for players who can cope with a difficult universe and are good at learning from their mistakes. Best of luck, regardless. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
RaazAguul	Posted - 2007.02.27 08:51:00 - [39] So I've calmed down some and here's my opinion. I've played a lot of games, where people help the new players to the game for the purpose of recruiting new players to guilds, to encourage them to stick with the low levels or to just help a new guy out. So someone having crates out there that say "FREE STUFF FOR NOOBS" seemed pretty cool to me. Specially since I just learned that you can take stuff from Wrecks. But as it turns out, the guy is a piece of crap and preys on people who don't know what the hell is going on yet. But what is more surprising to me is that most of you seem to think that this guy did nothing wrong at all, and the entire thing was my fault. In fact, it almost seems that you are encouraging this kind of behavior, and even think that a high level guy going to the "noob base" and putting out traps for total noobs so he can repeatedly kill them is funny. Well, you all will have to excuse me for not knowing how to play the game and foolishly thinking that at the "training base" I was safe from being griefed before I even left the sector. I don't think that it's a good thing that i got killed early so I didn't lose any credits later. I think it's a good thing that I got griefed early so I don't pay any real money and waste any more time on this game. I'll try not to let the door hit me in the ass on the way out.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:12:00 - [40] Edited by: Ki An on 27/02/2007 09:08:29 Originally by: RaazAguul So I've calmed down some and here's my opinion. I completely understand you, and I feel sorry that you have found that EVE isn't the game for you. EVE is a niched game, one that is hard to appreciate, especially right away, and especially if you are so used to other MMO's that you expect EVE to be more or less the same. Because it isn't. EVE is a harsh environment, and while nobody (almost) thinks what that guy did to you was cool, some of us still feel that there shouldn't be anything stopping him from doing it. This is the sandbox that is EVE. (Although, I should say that in this particular case, I believe that it is a matter of griefing that isn't allowed even in EVE, so you might want to petition it.) What I am trying to say here is that the sooner you learn that pop-ups are there for a reason, and that you really cannot trust anyone you just met, the better it is for you, and the further you will go in EVE. Some people can play years in EVE, completely lulled into a false sense of security, and then, BAM, they loose almost all they have in one go, simply because they where not prepared for the fact that all space is dangerous, and everyone might be out to kill you. You learned this right away, and you didn't loose anything for the lesson. It's easy for me to say that you should take this lesson and get on with your EVE life, but I can understand if you want to quit over this. It is clear to me that you are used to games like WoW. You speak of levels when there are no levels in EVE. You do not have a real grasp of what kind of game this is. This is nothing unique to you, but everyone who is here has learned to play the game, and persevered during hard times. EVE is a hobby more than a game. If you are looking for a relaxing pastime to play only when you feel like it, and only in a manner of your chosing without the interference of other people, then EVE definately isn't the game for you. Anyway, I've lost my track here, but I do feel you should give it another go. Read up some on the forums. Get a feel for the game, and then jump into the pilot's seat once more. /Ki Haven't got one yet? Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Redpants Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:22:00 - [41] Was your attacker a member of the Privateer Alliance? They're only out for quality PvP. _____________________________________________________________________ "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."
Miss Anthropy	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:44:00 - [42] Originally by: mechtech It's a better lesson to learn in a noob ship than in a ship that you payed for. I'd thank him, hehe. Anyway, learn from mistakes and move on, it's a central theme in eve. Agreed. Be glad you learned this early on. I've lost vastly more expensive ships to griefers and it hurts not just your pride, but your wallet. ------------ UNDERpants. Pants that go UNDER!
Mr Mozzie Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.27 09:55:00 - [43] Edited by: Mr Mozzie on 27/02/2007 09:56:11 There are a lot of people playing eve who can not fathom that a person who has just started playing would not know things that they consider obvious. Eve is a very difficult game to get into. There is a lot for a new player to learn and little of this is intuative. If you would still like to try eve further, you should conider joining EVE University. EVE University is an altruistic corp that concentrates on teaching new players to be successful in eve. There are always people online who are more than willing to answer questions. Checkout EVE-Uni's forums or the posts from the recruitment forum (1 2). We would be glad to have you. Cheers, Mozzie
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:17:00 - [44] Originally by: Mr Mozzie Edited by: Mr Mozzie on 27/02/2007 09:58:45 Edited by: Mr Mozzie on 27/02/2007 09:56:11 There are a lot of people playing eve who can not fathom that a person who has just started playing would not know things that they consider obvious. Eve is a very difficult game to get into. There is a lot for a new player to learn and little of this is intuative. The warning is the modern day version of 'Death shall come on swift wings to whomever opens this box', being unable to comprehend basic english has nothing to do with the game. Also, Eve isn't that difficult to get into, not if you pay attention and apply a little gray matter. -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Malcanis Galactech Industries Ltd. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:34:00 - [45] Originally by: RaazAguul It's a damn trap for noobs and he knew it. regardless whether or not it said dont take. to place a cargo box out there that says "free stuff for noobs" implys just that. And then to turn around and kill them for doing so is griefing. It's BS. He knew that eventually someone like me, who did not know what was going on would come along and fall for his trap. You can rationalize his killing me any way you want to, but its still a lame ass kill. So you had a big click-through warning, which you completely ignored? EVE is not for you, my friend.
Malcanis Galactech Industries Ltd. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:42:00 - [46] "Also, Eve isn't that difficult to get into, not if you pay attention and apply a little gray matter" Agreed, there's a hell of a lot to learn - I learn something new almost every time I log in even after playing for 5 or 6 months. Some see that as a good thing, and they enjoy EVE. Some see that as a flaw and they post like OP.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:46:00 - [47] It's not about the stance the GMs take on griefing or the fact that Eve is a cut-throat game out to kill over and over. It's about reading a dialogue box the first time. OMG HE CANCELLED HIS ACCOUT OH NOES! CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF? Wait his stuff got blowed up... - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - - "186,282 miles per second; It's not just a good idea, it's the law."
Gealbhan Caldari The Big Sky Corp	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:50:00 - [48] When I started out I lost 6 ships in 4 days. once concorded and 5 times to ratting in sectors i was too young for. You take your punches and move on. I learned to deal with ship and item loss from the start, didn't do me any harm at all. Now if I get blown to pieces I just shrug and go refit another ship. "Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things"
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.27 10:53:00 - [49] theroretical if they whine in local or private chat tell them eve is a PVP game ( if u are low enough to shoot noobs) and that they should join a player corp etc etc Point out to them the lesson involving yellow cans that arent theres etc etc. 10% might leave but 90% will learn from it even i got caught early on
Kryss Darkdust	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:05:00 - [50] Edited by: Kryss Darkdust on 27/02/2007 11:05:09 Originally by: RaazAguul Im not even in the game for a few hours, haven't even finished the tutorial. I just learned how to take stuff from wreckages. Then a high level guy comes to the training station and puts out a bunch of canisters that says "free stuff for noobs" I take one, and he kills me. I launch again and instantly he kills me again. I did not know that there was a 15 minute waiting time or even that Id get killed for taking the "trap" at a training base? Do the GMs acctually think this is acceptable? The guy knew I had no clue what I was doing when he set the trap at the training base. The guy also knew I had no clue about the 15 minute waiting time. I really have no desire to play on any further either. So GMs should take note of this. Account cancelled. It's an unfortunate thing about Eve but there are a lot of really lame people, both in the game and on this forum. Fortunatly CCP is not sadistic, I know of two accounts that have been deleted outright for this exact type of incident and if you petition the guy will at the very least be suspended, at the worse have his account canceled. By the way in all likelyhood this guy is a complete noob himself as no player worth his salt would waste his time hanging around in Noob systems. You should post his name here so that we may have our way with him. Are you are gamer? www.playhardliveeasy.blogspot.com
Leonidas Rex Amarr Dark Excession The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:07:00 - [51] Originally by: hotgirl933 read the warnings learn the lesson and move on Two things: 1: You need to work on your public relations skill. 2: Learn how to write, we have . and , in written language, as well as the occasional captial letter. Oh sorry.. have a third one as well, your name suck... Well, no offence. :) On a more serious note, I find it annoying how people just dismiss other peoples opinions about the game only because it doesnt coincide with their own. If someone gets killed in an apparantly lame way the response is just that; "learn the game and move on". FFS people.. cant you see that there is something wrong, not only with the game, but the people playing it? Another example is when someone suggest content for the small player in the game, the player who doesnt have the time to earn 1 billion isk and build a POS. The answer is usually: "stop complaining, buy a ship, go to 0.0, kill and gank and build a POS, the content is there, the content is there, your just too lazy, stupid, n00b to find it." No, a POS is not for the casual gamer, sorry but it doesnt matter how much you try to justify it. This game is truly going downhill, and not because its a bad game, but just because the number of idiots who is playing is on a steady increase and soon they will drown the sensible players with they sheit and bad manners.
Bilanto Gatejumper Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:13:00 - [52] I have not even bother to read half of all that you have written, but this is actually stated as a example of a bannable offense. http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336 So all those who laugh and call him a noob, yes he is and he is under the specific protection of CCP until he is finished with the tutorial. Its a little funny. I helped a friend of mine yesterday with the tutorial. I created a new character to help him step by step and once we got out where the training complex was there was people running around in destroyers. It was rather obvious why they where there. They wanted players to grab there loot and then kill them. I did not fell for it but was called a noob when I claimed that what he did was griefing and that it was bannable. Later I will take a day and make it a BUSSY day for a GM or two by deliberately "go for there trap" and get killed and then petition them.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:16:00 - [53] Originally by: Leonidas Rex On a more serious note, I find it annoying how people just dismiss other peoples opinions about the game only because it doesnt coincide with their own. If someone gets killed in an apparantly lame way the response is just that; "learn the game and move on". What else is there to say? Bang up job ignoring the warnings and getting yourself killed? It's lame certainly, but it does get you in the right mindset for surviving Eve. Originally by: Leonidas Rex Another example is when someone suggest content for the small player in the game, the player who doesnt have the time to earn 1 billion isk and build a POS. The answer is usually: "stop complaining, buy a ship, go to 0.0, kill and gank and build a POS, the content is there, the content is there, your just too lazy, stupid, n00b to find it." No, a POS is not for the casual gamer, sorry but it doesnt matter how much you try to justify it. 240M for a fully fit POS and 2 months of fuel, and how do you define casual? -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:18:00 - [54] Originally by: RaazAguul So I've calmed down some and here's my opinion. I've played a lot of games, where people help the new players to the game for the purpose of recruiting new players to guilds, to encourage them to stick with the low levels or to just help a new guy out. So someone having crates out there that say "FREE STUFF FOR NOOBS" seemed pretty cool to me. Specially since I just learned that you can take stuff from Wrecks. But as it turns out, the guy is a piece of crap and preys on people who don't know what the hell is going on yet. But what is more surprising to me is that most of you seem to think that this guy did nothing wrong at all, and the entire thing was my fault. In fact, it almost seems that you are encouraging this kind of behavior, and even think that a high level guy going to the "noob base" and putting out traps for total noobs so he can repeatedly kill them is funny. Well, you all will have to excuse me for not knowing how to play the game and foolishly thinking that at the "training base" I was safe from being griefed before I even left the sector. I don't think that it's a good thing that i got killed early so I didn't lose any credits later. I think it's a good thing that I got griefed early so I don't pay any real money and waste any more time on this game. I'll try not to let the door hit me in the ass on the way out. if you have already quit, why are you still posting here? btw there are no guilds in eve. wow servers are the other way. ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:18:00 - [55] Originally by: RaazAguul Im not even in the game for a few hours, haven't even finished the tutorial. I just learned how to take stuff from wreckages. Then a high level guy comes to the training station and puts out a bunch of canisters that says "free stuff for noobs" I take one, and he kills me. I launch again and instantly he kills me again. I did not know that there was a 15 minute waiting time or even that Id get killed for taking the "trap" at a training base? Do the GMs acctually think this is acceptable? The guy knew I had no clue what I was doing when he set the trap at the training base. The guy also knew I had no clue about the 15 minute waiting time. I really have no desire to play on any further either. So GMs should take note of this. Account cancelled. Yeah there are some gits in this game, but give it another go. Contact my corp in game and we can train you up. Before you do though there is one thing you did wrong that you need to understand if you are to try Eve again. A warning will have appeared before you opened the can. There was a reason for this. Eve is not your average fluffly bunny friendly gaming environment and although some GMs might have a quiet chat with the person that blew you up they can't do much more because Eve is supposed to be harsh. The lesson you have to learn if you are to play Eve is that whilst it allows players to grief other players it generally provides the tools to mitigate the risk. The big thing is to realise that it is considered your responsibility to use those tools. If you don't or won't use them you won't get much sympathy. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Please don't read this signature.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:21:00 - [56] Originally by: Mr Cranky If you can't read the warning before emptying someone can, dont play eve. Makes me wanna do the happy dance that another whining noob left the games.. we can do without them.. can i have your ehm nevermind.... Yes. CCP does not need more players to replace those that leave over time. We will all be happy to see the service run down and the servers close Noobs should be cut some slack. They already have enough to deal with and a couple of hours training and hand-holding will remove the whinage from most of them. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Please don't read this signature.
Kryss Darkdust	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:21:00 - [57] Originally by: RaazAguul So I've calmed down some and here's my opinion. I've played a lot of games, where people help the new players to the game for the purpose of recruiting new players to guilds, to encourage them to stick with the low levels or to just help a new guy out. So someone having crates out there that say "FREE STUFF FOR NOOBS" seemed pretty cool to me. Specially since I just learned that you can take stuff from Wrecks. But as it turns out, the guy is a piece of crap and preys on people who don't know what the hell is going on yet. But what is more surprising to me is that most of you seem to think that this guy did nothing wrong at all, and the entire thing was my fault. In fact, it almost seems that you are encouraging this kind of behavior, and even think that a high level guy going to the "noob base" and putting out traps for total noobs so he can repeatedly kill them is funny. Well, you all will have to excuse me for not knowing how to play the game and foolishly thinking that at the "training base" I was safe from being griefed before I even left the sector. I don't think that it's a good thing that i got killed early so I didn't lose any credits later. I think it's a good thing that I got griefed early so I don't pay any real money and waste any more time on this game. I'll try not to let the door hit me in the ass on the way out. Unfortunatly your part of a ever growing number of people that are leaving the game before they ever even start it. Over the last year I know of at least 30 people that have quit over grief tactics during their trial accounts. Unfortunatly most of the pin heads on this forum give the correct first impression of Eve. Its a ruthless, thankless game in which you have to assume the worst about every individual in the game. Its how CCP has designed, presented and support the game to be and its exactly what it is. Despite it, I can assure you that if you stayed, things will improve dramaticaly and in no time flat you'll be able to exact your revenge on the jackelopes of Eve, like the guy that hangs out in noob systems to trap noobies. Fortunatly, people like him are always easy kills. Are you are gamer? www.playhardliveeasy.blogspot.com
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:27:00 - [58] Originally by: RaazAguul So I've calmed down some and here's my opinion. [snip] But what is more surprising to me is that most of you seem to think that this guy did nothing wrong at all, and the entire thing was my fault. It was. The difference is that some of us understand that noobs make mistakes. I think all of us think it was a lame kill. However:This is Eve. It would not be the great game it is if this kind of thing wasn't possible. It sounds like you are prepared to give it another go so contact me in-game (use Eve-mail) and I'll explain a few things. You don't have to join our corp but we have a friendly free channel you can join. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Please don't read this signature.
Eilene Fernite	Posted - 2007.02.27 11:55:00 - [59] Yeah ok, blowing up an ibis from a player still in his tutorial is a sad thing to do. There's not really a point in it, but I guess some people will do silly things at times. Then again, it's also sad to throw a hissy fit over losing an ibis. I mean come on, you just have to dock to get a brand spanking new ibis, with free trit in the cargo hold. Seriously, don't get upset, lighten up and laugh at the poor sod outside who thinks he's uber because he just gunned down a 5 minute old noob.
Maam	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:00:00 - [60] Mate, one thing you;ll learn if you stay is that the forums are even less friendly than the game! Go back in tonight, get him to grief you again, and get his full name and corps. Post it here and I'm sure some griefer griefers will have a bit of fun. Hell, I might even come along with my friends kin and therm and give him a bit more of a challenge after taking stuff from his noob baiting cans.
Bilanto Gatejumper Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:05:00 - [61] As I mention earliger. It is bannable offence as long as he does the tutorial.
Akinai Gallente External Trade Organization	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:13:00 - [62] Repeat after me: If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:14:00 - [63] Stay in game, get into a player corp asap, and get the hell out of empire space. This game is full of quasi griefers, what he did was not against the rules, but frowned upon. Joining a player corp gives you.... 1. In game help from corp members. 2. Revenge, corp mates help you hunt the trash down. 3. A sense of direction 4. Greifing war declerations. 5. Some corps even supply skills, ships, and mods. But dont leave cause of one trash head. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Ziu Wraith Recondite	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:18:00 - [64] To the OP, Eve is not the game for you, you're right. In Eve, you are expected to take some responsibility for your own actions. Yes, what this guy did was lame. However, you clicked past the warning that told you what could happen next. It happened next, and suddenly you're here crying about it. Two options: see what you did wrong, learn from it, move on and become a more knowing player. Second: throw your toys out of the pram, yell at the game for not wrapping you in cotton wool and leave. Welcome to Eve :) -- [WREC] is recruiting.
Mark Weston Caldari The Graduates Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:32:00 - [65] Griefing new players like this is against the rules and contributes nothing to the game; I'm sick of reading people try to justify it. To the OP: yes, there are players in EVE who are out-and-out griefers and who exploit the freedom the game gives us to cause frustration and waste other people's game time. They do not represent the majority. Similarly there are a vocal group of forum-posters who jump into threads like this simply to sneer. Again, they do not represent the majority. EVE is a game that will reward your time, and as well as the griefers and the "can I have your stuff" forum-squad there are also many who want to help new players get into the game for no other reward then the enjoyment of doing so. Follow my sig if you'd like to learn more. New to EVE? Join channel: "Eve University" or read here
Marcus Xavier Minmatar Xavier Institute for Higher Learning	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:46:00 - [66] Originally by: Eilene Fernite Yeah ok, blowing up an ibis from a player still in his tutorial is a sad thing to do. There's not really a point in it, but I guess some people will do silly things at times. Then again, it's also sad to throw a hissy fit over losing an ibis. I mean come on, you just have to dock to get a brand spanking new ibis, with free trit in the cargo hold. Seriously, don't get upset, lighten up and laugh at the poor sod outside who thinks he's uber because he just gunned down a 5 minute old noob. How many tutorial runners know that the shiny new Ibis will be replaced when the griefer destroys it? You need to place yourself in the trial account user's pod to realize how disturbing the griefer's behavior is. ---------------- Mutatis Mutandis
Pytria Le'Danness Placid Reborn	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:48:00 - [67] Originally by: RaazAguul It's a damn trap for noobs and he knew it. regardless whether or not it said dont take. to place a cargo box out there that says "free stuff for noobs" implys just that. And then to turn around and kill them for doing so is griefing. It's BS. He knew that eventually someone like me, who did not know what was going on would come along and fall for his trap. You can rationalize his killing me any way you want to, but its still a lame ass kill. It definitely is idiotic, especially since the best he can hope for is getting a kill of a Velator that you get replaced by docking anyway. Oh well, if that pathetic way to get kill mails is his only way to get some you should pity him. There is nothing he can get out of it (well, a Civilian Gun, a Basic Miner and up to 11 pieces of Trit if he is very lucky) and I wonder why people even do it. One thing you can do: loot his can and immediately redock. But then you have to sit tight for 15 minutes, and that's not normally worth it. Corporation RP channel: "PlacidReborn"
Lux Simian	Posted - 2007.02.27 12:58:00 - [68] Petition Him Regardless of the excuses given its a well established fact of Eve that Griefing is not acceptable, and the player in question likely knows that. I've seen these cans around a few times, and I notice that when I take from them in my Shiny Domi (Battleship) of sporting a flight of tech 2 drones, they don't seem 'quite so up for it'.
Hektor Ramirez Outer Ring Tourist Information Center	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:08:00 - [69] Originally by: RaazAguul But what is more surprising to me is that most of you seem to think that this guy did nothing wrong at all, and the entire thing was my fault. Yeah, no, the whole thing is terrible. I feel for you man. I'm sorry that the guy was mean to you, his parents probably didn't love him enough when he was a child. Let me make it up to you by presenting you with this rare, very expensive misprinted dictionary that doesn't have the word "gullible" in it. It's in the back of my van. I've parked it over there in that dark backalley, just follow me. -
Capt Kees Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:09:00 - [70] Edited by: Capt Kees on 27/02/2007 13:05:50 Its llame yes, but nothing different as in other PvP focussed games.. All the MMO's i played in the years, there are grievers, gankers etc etc etc, There are allways people trying to score a cheap/easy kill, if for each time someone that played a dirty trick on me, i quitted the game, i prolly had no online games left to play From the OP's story, i see a New player with no idear what to except, and someone who didnt took any efford to find out what to expect, Why is it that a huge number of newbies dont fall for such tricks, and a few allways do, and its never their fault the fell for it.. When i started 3 months ago, i seen the same kind of Traps, and when clicked that Pop-up was in the middle of the screen, warning me what will happen, Same counted for the first time i went into lowsec, and also again when i targetted my first player to kill.. How can they miss those, and then whine bout it... /me keeps shaking his head If you cant handle this kind of heat, yeah, EVE aint your game.. If you learn to deal with this kind of stuff, and learn the ropes of the game, EVE is a great game, and daily you discover more.. Funniest is, When i played WoW/AC/Horizons name them all, the longer i played, the less i liked the game, EVE, at first i hated it, now....i'm addicted.. Only that first week of EVE... nearly quitted too, glad i didnt
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:16:00 - [71] To the OP: Quit EVE now, it will save you a lot of heartache if this upsets you so much. EVE is an MMO where griefing is allowed more than any other MMO out there. EVE is not for you, as you can see by the lack of sympathy you get here on the forums, it's a sign of things to come if you continue on with EVE. Building the homestead
Iphiclus Rogen's Heroes Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:22:00 - [72] Originally by: RaazAguul But what is more surprising to me is that most of you seem to think that this guy did nothing wrong at all, and the entire thing was my fault. We laugh and point because it's happened to us all, not because we agree with it... not because we encourage it. For many of us the loss we suffered was much harsher, countless hours spent getting a shiny new toy, only for fortune to frown upon our toil and deliver unto us a horrifying lesson in human nature. KAPLOW! That first time will haunt you, never leave you and cast a shadow upon your actions in future endeavors. But one day it will be your turn to laugh and point! remembering fondly that noobish day you made a fatal mistake!
Weebear The Bowrey	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:24:00 - [73] If you fell for that one, you will probably want to avoid the contracts system for now......
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:35:00 - [74] Originally by: RaazAguul So I've calmed down some and here's my opinion. I've played a lot of games, where people help the new players to the game for the purpose of recruiting new players to guilds, to encourage them to stick with the low levels or to just help a new guy out. So someone having crates out there that say "FREE STUFF FOR NOOBS" seemed pretty cool to me. Specially since I just learned that you can take stuff from Wrecks. But as it turns out, the guy is a piece of crap and preys on people who don't know what the hell is going on yet. In EVE, the usual approach is for somebody to wire you ISK rather than leave a can out front of the station. Quote: But what is more surprising to me is that most of you seem to think that this guy did nothing wrong at all, and the entire thing was my fault. Hardly, he's a griefing MFer, who deserves every ounce of the scorn you throw in his direction. His kind is neither representative of, nor liked by, the EVE community. Still, fact is that in order to take that stuff you had to ignore a pretty blatant pop-up that warned you of the potential consequences of your actions. It's there for a reason, and if you'd heeded it, you would not be in this position. EVE allows indiscriminate, non-consensual PvP, and the cans are a potential mechanic for that process. if you are uncomfortable with that fact, this probably isn't this game. As somebody pointed out, EVE is a game of "street smarts", keeping your wits about you, and generally being paranoid. Quote: In fact, it almost seems that you are encouraging this kind of behavior, and even think that a high level guy going to the "noob base" and putting out traps for total noobs so he can repeatedly kill them is funny. wrong. Quote: Well, you all will have to excuse me for not knowing how to play the game and foolishly thinking that at the "training base" I was safe from being griefed before I even left the sector. I don't supposed you bothered to research this game before trying it out? Life in EVE can be short and brutal for the unwary. Quote: I don't think that it's a good thing that i got killed early so I didn't lose any credits later. I think it's a good thing that I got griefed early so I don't pay any real money and waste any more time on this game. I'll try not to let the door hit me in the ass on the way out. Actually, you honestly have gained from this experience - it's taught you what EVE is like. if EVE is not to your tastes, don't play it. You'll find that those of us who DO play it don't much care. not everything is universally popular, and if you wish to quit, that is your prerogative. What's happening here is that you're using the actions of one random griefer (a type of player that is definitely in the minority in this game) as a smokescreen to cover the real issue that you just don't like the game. That's cool. You don't have to. Have fun somewhere else, mate. ***
The Internets	Posted - 2007.02.27 13:42:00 - [75] Edited by: The Internets on 27/02/2007 13:42:16 Originally by: Malcanis So you had a big click-through warning, which you completely ignored? EVE is not for you, my friend. You, or the majority of the other posters don't seem to understand. New players assume that someone leaving 'Free Stuff for Noobs' at their starting station is NOT going to shoot them because of their supposed charity. Many other games that they may be coming from usually have nice people that help out new players. They have not yet found out that the EVE community is horrible and ignore the warning message. It seems to me that most of the posters on EVE-O were picked on as children and now are having their turn sitting behind a computer screen. Why don't you all grow up and stop flaming everything that hits these forums?
Hektor Ramirez Outer Ring Tourist Information Center	Posted - 2007.02.27 14:00:00 - [76] Edited by: Hektor Ramirez on 27/02/2007 14:00:19 Originally by: The Internets It seems to me that most of the posters on EVE-O were picked on as children and now are having their turn sitting behind a computer screen. Why don't you all grow up and stop flaming everything that hits these forums? If someone starts his EVE career by blaming others on the forums for their mistakes half an hour into the game then he gets ridiculed and laughed at. If he acts cool about doing rookie mistakes and says "I just lost my pretty ship I mined 2 hours for because I did something stupid :(" in the noobcorp channel then he gets a mil or two thrown his way by people who remember being in his situation too well. The latter just doesn't have the benefit of publicity the former has. -
Garrack Caldari No Quarter.	Posted - 2007.02.27 14:03:00 - [77] Originally by: RaazAguul Im not even in the game for a few hours, haven't even finished the tutorial. I just learned how to take stuff from wreckages. Then a high level guy comes to the training station and puts out a bunch of canisters that says "free stuff for noobs" I take one, and he kills me. I launch again and instantly he kills me again. I did not know that there was a 15 minute waiting time or even that Id get killed for taking the "trap" at a training base? Do the GMs acctually think this is acceptable? The guy knew I had no clue what I was doing when he set the trap at the training base. The guy also knew I had no clue about the 15 minute waiting time. I really have no desire to play on any further either. So GMs should take note of this. Account cancelled. hahahah, wow that sucks dude. Lesson #1 In Eve - (and perhaps humanity) - If permitted to do so, people will be ***holes. This is why in real life we have prisons! Hey CCP can we get some prisons? :) --- Singing: "I ain't got no siggy..."
Artronus	Posted - 2007.02.27 14:30:00 - [78] Being only a 30 day old rookie here I feel your pain. I was fortunate enough to actually spend a lot of times on the forums before I even started playing though and avoided your scenario. I remember you in the chat channel last night. You were pretty upset about the whole deal and from a rookie perspective I can understand that. If that ruined the game for you though I wholly recommend you play another game. You need thicker skin for EVE. Oh, and supply us with the name of this person, will you? I know a LOT of people that will make his life a lot fun if he wants a fight:) I encourage you to try again with a fresh mindset. The community is pretty good believe it or not and I personally feel this is the best MMO I have ever played. (And I have played a few;) Fly safe, Artronus
maarud Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.27 14:49:00 - [79] The GM's have said that is harrasment. Petition it please so this guy can get banned and we have one less to worry about. Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Eviloution	Posted - 2007.02.27 14:58:00 - [80] Originally by: RaazAguul Im not even in the game for a few hours, haven't even finished the tutorial. I just learned how to take stuff from wreckages. Then a high level guy comes to the training station and puts out a bunch of canisters that says "free stuff for noobs" I take one, and he kills me. I launch again and instantly he kills me again. I did not know that there was a 15 minute waiting time or even that Id get killed for taking the "trap" at a training base? Do the GMs acctually think this is acceptable? The guy knew I had no clue what I was doing when he set the trap at the training base. The guy also knew I had no clue about the 15 minute waiting time. I really have no desire to play on any further either. So GMs should take note of this. Account cancelled. If this is all it takes for you to leave EVE it is not the game for you, it is a dangerous and realistic universe with evil people and jerks at all turns, however if you had simply read the message that came up saying if you take from this can you can be fired upon u'd have lived, so in this situation its natural selection.
nahtoh Caldari Bull Industries	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:01:00 - [81] Originally by: Marcus Xavier Originally by: Eilene Fernite Yeah ok, blowing up an ibis from a player still in his tutorial is a sad thing to do. There's not really a point in it, but I guess some people will do silly things at times. Then again, it's also sad to throw a hissy fit over losing an ibis. I mean come on, you just have to dock to get a brand spanking new ibis, with free trit in the cargo hold. Seriously, don't get upset, lighten up and laugh at the poor sod outside who thinks he's uber because he just gunned down a 5 minute old noob. How many tutorial runners know that the shiny new Ibis will be replaced when the griefer destroys it? You need to place yourself in the trial account user's pod to realize how disturbing the griefer's behavior is. 2 seconds aftyer he docked and saw there was a new one...which he then got promptly blown up. As for the OP, meh like everybody else it was a lame thing to do take a note of him and kick him in the balls ltr. Bad trhings happen in Eve and its not the same as other games, if someone is willing to pay the price they can attack you anywhere out side of a station. Its a cheap lesson learn it and then continue or not tis up to you. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
The Conduit	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:13:00 - [82] Edited by: The Conduit on 27/02/2007 15:13:17 As somebody already pointed out (but a lot of people are conveniently choosing to ignore..), it's grief play of the worse kind and is against the spirit, if not the letter of Eve law. This is taken directly from the the Eve support knowledge-base; Quote: An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated. http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336 To the OP: you should receive an email from concord telling you who the involved parties were in the destruction of your ship; the name of player, corp etc. Please press F11 and petition this gigantic life-hating tosser for grief play, so he can't continue to do the same thing to other unsuspecting new players. Then come back here and post his name. Thanks.
Spaceman Jack	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:15:00 - [83] Originally by: Ikarushka you learned the lesson during your first few hours, it takes much longer for others... ...you had a message that stated that the owner of the container will be able to attack you. Think of it as a part of the tutorial. WIN! I hope the OP does not take these answers harshley if he wants to learn to love this game, it brutal, these people are right in saying he did you a favor of popping you in a noob ship as opposed to your first frig you worked hard for. However, we can say that because we have been here long enough and your first lesson should not be handed out to you for the first time out of a station in a noob system by some f'in noob greifing looser. He should be banned for a month or two. A word to the greifer also, if you were any f'in smarter you would wait until he had something of value. Personally i think you screwed all of us by having a potential isk maker drop out. You are a boon to the eceonomy jack8ss.
Scoundrelus The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:30:00 - [84] Survival of the fittest Ninja vanish! poof
18 Rabbit	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:34:00 - [85] Eve has put itself in an awkward place. The skill point system is very casual friendly, as are some other features. But the general culture of the players and attitude of the development team is extremely anti-casual and anti-carebear. They seem to have decided they want to keep it that way. Counter-strike in space ftl. Oh well. If you're a casual player or a carebear type, then Eve is not the game for you. It's good you found that out now, before you have a large investment in it. You'd be better off not making that investment.
Dolly Parton Amarr 5punkorp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:41:00 - [86] Originally by: RaazAguul You are right Kal. Eve is not the game for me. if you want to leave fine but your missing out on a good game. some people just like in RL are *****s. you learned not to take cans that say free stuff, i hope you apply that to all cans and wrecks not just the free stuff for noob cans. you will learn in this game that things are always changing, and i stress changing. key to success is make the mistakes early and often so when your in the bigger more $$$ ships you'll know what not to do. if you should leave fly safe DP * Any comments made are mine and mine alone! ***
Something Random Gallente F.S.O. Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.27 15:51:00 - [87] Its a shame you didnt get the urge to find out how to take the stuff from those cans without him killing you.
Gudrun Hart	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:09:00 - [88] Originally by: RaazAguul I don't think that it's a good thing that i got killed early so I didn't lose any credits later. I think it's a good thing that I got griefed early so I don't pay any real money and waste any more time on this game. Is this is your conclusion after you calmed down, then is realy not "your" game. To play with real persons means sometimes to play with asholes. If that was not happen in the noob system, then you would have the problem later.. and i can just tell you one thing, you dont feel better if you loose your first cruiser to a griefer. Maybe you should take a look to X3, or give EvE another chance. There are a more players who would help you then griefers.
Megan Maynard Minmatar RONA Deepspace Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:14:00 - [89] Noob has left the building guys, we don't gotta chat about it anymore...................
Fuzzy Something Caldari Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:37:00 - [90] One other thing I hope you'll learn from this experience is that Forums are populated largely by people from extreme viewpoints, often driven to posting by mind-numbing boredom. (aka: Work, school) Also, some people post drivel just to try to get a reaction from other posters. It's not just here, people with little emotional interest in a given topic don't have much reason to read about it, let alone post responses. The same goes for customer survey cards - very few people will bother to respond if they felt everything was average. Of course, trolling is less common on comment cards. To the point: The learning curve in Eve is steep. There is an awful lot of information to take in, with very little time to do it. Indeed, if you stick around, you'll probably find that you're better off having learned what you did about newb-baiting and griefers. They not uncommon, and learning how they function makes you a more capable player and person. Take is as a lesson rather than a personal violation, and you'll go far. In the other respect, a player that baits newbs to kill them does not make Eve a better game, and makes and unpleasant experience for new players. Now, please tell us his name (Check your "Ship Destruction" Eve-mail from CONCORD) so we can begin killing him repeatedly. Thank you.
Xeanort Caldari Dark Horizons Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.27 16:41:00 - [91] If I kill the man, do I become the man?
Bishman82 The Wailing Doom	Posted - 2007.02.27 17:08:00 - [92] When i started playing eve i saw a can outside the station, i instantly knew it was some sort of trap so i left it. Even cans that had been left by people ratting in the belts got left alone by me as i got a warning up after trying to take stuff out. But i saw this as a good thing, people can make their own choices in game and every player isn't wrapped in cotton wool and gets greifers banned by a GM after someone runs crying after their stuff was destroyed. In fact i think that this should be part of the tutorial! The same as when you have to go to a belt and kill one of those ncp's to complete that section on shooting your weapons. It will say something like, look! one of the locals have left some goodies outside the station for newcomers, why not ignore the warnings and collect the contents! Then after you get shot and return to the station, the tutorial woman gives you a lecture on taking gifts from strangers before giving you a replacement ship. Hmmm, maybe not...
Hamshoe	Posted - 2007.02.27 17:11:00 - [93] To the OP: Sorry for the rude introduction to the game, but consider that you've learned something more than just the mechanics of the game: you've got a name to put on your list of (insert colorful term here). As mentioned perviously, information and trust are the most valuable commodities in the game, that's why I love these types of threads. Rarely in life can you get the sociopaths and decent folk to identify themselves so clearly at such a low cost. It's a goldmine. Kicked in the head by a horse, what's your excuse?
Illuminaty	Posted - 2007.02.27 17:50:00 - [94] Originally by: RaazAguul So I've calmed down some and here's my opinion. I've played a lot of games, where people help the new players to the game for the purpose of recruiting new players to guilds, to encourage them to stick with the low levels or to just help a new guy out. So someone having crates out there that say "FREE STUFF FOR NOOBS" seemed pretty cool to me. Specially since I just learned that you can take stuff from Wrecks. But as it turns out, the guy is a piece of crap and preys on people who don't know what the hell is going on yet. So instead of taking the descriptions of EVE that CCP gives you at face value, you just totally ignored that information in favor of your pre-concieved notions because you were too intellectually lazy to bother to attempt to comprehend information that was being presented to you. Originally by: RaazAguul But what is more surprising to me is that most of you seem to think that this guy did nothing wrong at all, and the entire thing was my fault. Because it was. When you made the decision to ignore the warning message which explicitly explains to you what can happen, it became 'your fault'. You simply told yourself "it won't happen to me". Except it did happen to you, and now your here acting like there wasn't a big warning sign telling you that exactly what happend to you could happen. Originally by: RaazAguul In fact, it almost seems that you are encouraging this kind of behavior, and even think that a high level guy going to the "noob base" and putting out traps for total noobs so he can repeatedly kill them is funny. It is hi-fricking-larious. Your playing the part of the bumbling idiot to CCPs straightman. CCP tells you "don't touch that, its hot", so you touch it, and jump around the room holding your hand and yelling "ouch". Then you look at CCP and demand to know why they didn't warn you. Your a freaking Abbott and Costello routine. Originally by: RaazAguul Well, you all will have to excuse me for not knowing how to play the game and foolishly thinking that at the "training base" I was safe from being griefed before I even left the sector. Your not safe the second you undock from the station. It isn't even safe to read the chat channels. They'll even scam you out of your free piece of trit. Originally by: RaazAguul I don't think that it's a good thing that i got killed early so I didn't lose any credits later. I think it's a good thing that I got griefed early so I don't pay any real money and waste any more time on this game. I'll try not to let the door hit me in the ass on the way out. If you tried not getting mad, not looking for people to blame for your failure, and just dusted yourself off, wrote your loss off as the cost of learning a lesson and tried to do better... You'd be laughing right along with us, be wiser for it, and be having fun. Or you can just get angry and throw a fit, not learn anything and be a quitter because you didn't automatically win.
Fenderson OLE Mining Corp Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2007.02.27 18:44:00 - [95] this is the nature of eve. alot of eve gameplay is based on griefing in some way or another. the measure of a good player is that you know how to avoid getting griefed. it is an unspoken premise of the eve community, and if you dont want to be a part of that, then cancelling is definitely the way to go. if you have any inclination to stay, then consider this a hard but cheap lesson learned and move on. learn the mechanics of the game and this kind of stuff wont happen to you. eve has a significant learning curve, but once you figure it out it truly is an awesome game. got new corp, need new sig. mail me ingame.
Lance Hawke New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.27 18:59:00 - [96] Can I have your velator?
Liu Kaskakka PAK	Posted - 2007.02.27 19:04:00 - [97] Originally by: RaazAguul SO killing noobs is ok? Yes. Quote: I really have no desire to play on any further either. So GMs should take note of this. Account cancelled. This game is clearly too hard for you. You will find other games easier and more suitable for you - have you tried wow? King Liu is RIGHT!!
Erim Solfara Amarr Tarlos INC	Posted - 2007.02.27 19:39:00 - [98] Edited by: Erim Solfara on 27/02/2007 19:37:16 Originally by: RaazAguul It's a damn trap for noobs and he knew it. regardless whether or not it said dont take. to place a cargo box out there that says "free stuff for noobs" implys just that. And then to turn around and kill them for doing so is griefing. It's BS. He knew that eventually someone like me, who did not know what was going on would come along and fall for his trap. You can rationalize his killing me any way you want to, but its still a lame ass kill. Perhaps you should think before you clicked 'yes' to that little box. Frankly I doubt this guy would make an awesome addition to the playerbase anyway the way he's going on about it. Dunno if you've ever played an online computer game ever, but there are usually people out for lame kills... New ship class
Force Works Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:01:00 - [99] I don't even know if the OP is around, but I'll lay this out. Most of what everyone is telling you, hints and tips wise.. is true. I was running around doing newbie missions when a smacktard scrammed, webbed, jammed and blew me up for taking crap out of his can. He "claimed" to be helping a corpmate. Which makes him full of crap. Anyways, I got blown up and all my decent newb stuff gone. Lesson learned, put the guy on ignore and went on with life when I found out he was a smacktard. EVE is harsh. The majority of the player base does not condone stealing,greifing, unfair fights (wait, nm, I condone unfair fights heh), scams, corp hanger theives, spies, etc etc etc deviant behavior. But it happens here. Why? Because this "sandbox" was the OG way WAY before Vanguard claimed to be the sandbox... Players are able to do anything they want. With no moral standards if they so chose. Chances are CCP Won't do anything to the greifer, but give em a stern slap on the wrist. Mostly because they lose a potential customer, but other than that, any "illegal" activity is authorized here. Some folks have been scammed billions of ISK and nothin was done. The EULA and TOA say nothing about this, so it is "legal" to do, but frowned upon. If this incident is going to turn you away from what maybe 200 people out of 50,000+ people who play on EVE do, then you don't belong here. You took a chance by looting a container, like we all take. The only safe zone in EVE is in the station. Pure and simple. If you are so worked up about this, there are corps (guilds) who take action against these greifers and their corps, and others who act as anti-pirates and peacekeepers. EVE is 100% pvp... there are "safe" zones, but you arent safe. There are some who sacrifice themselves in places like Jita and let loose with max Smartbombs and have their buddies clean up all the loot from all the destroyed ships. Be ready, be paraniod and be prepared for your first pod kill... it's great :P
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:07:00 - [100] Originally by: RaazAguul Then a high level guy comes to the training station and puts out a bunch of canisters that says "free stuff for noobs" EVE DOESNT have levels. Quote: Account cancelled. Returning to WOW already?
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:10:00 - [101] Originally by: Hektor Ramirez Edited by: Hektor Ramirez on 27/02/2007 01:23:30 Originally by: RaazAguul to place a cargo box out there that says "free stuff for noobs" implys just that. And then to turn around and kill them for doing so is griefing. Haha oh man, it's like a demented space version of Wile E. Coyote and Roadrunner where Roadrunner eats the "free bird seed" and an anvil drops on his head and credits roll.
small chimp	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:39:00 - [102] I have stolen many time from cans! Once there was a big can in jita with full of valuables, but sadly my cargo was full. :(
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:43:00 - [103] Killing noobs is not OK because they sound like boobs and killing boobs would be BAD.
Ironwench	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:43:00 - [104] sadly if he returns to wow or hello kitty he will still have to deal with people like this.. (ok maybe not in hello kitty). My sons play wow and they are on a pvp server.. i love to sit there and watch them gank all day long and when they are the ones being camped/ganked complain. (i think we call that irony?).. hehe... to the op.. wow, just wow. the time i got my first BS, i was messing around in like low lvl space and some guy comes and kills me.. there was nothing i could do.. i couldnt target him, i couldnt run.. nothing.. i spoke to him afterwards and he explained what my choices where during that fight and my first instinct to run at him was probably the best one i had available, but he was prepared for that.. point is you quit and never gave it a chance. sad to be honest. There are people all over here and in game that will help you learn and defend yourself. (i still have a name or 2 that are on my, i will kill you one day list.. someday.. just not today..
Powerpulse	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:44:00 - [105] Originally by: Hektor Ramirez Originally by: RaazAguul But what is more surprising to me is that most of you seem to think that this guy did nothing wrong at all, and the entire thing was my fault. Yeah, no, the whole thing is terrible. I feel for you man. I'm sorry that the guy was mean to you, his parents probably didn't love him enough when he was a child. Let me make it up to you by presenting you with this rare, very expensive misprinted dictionary that doesn't have the word "gullible" in it. It's in the back of my van. I've parked it over there in that dark backalley, just follow me. BY the way before you go to the alley please LOOK at this guys shirt that says IM AN ASSHAT AND I DONT CARE ABOUT YOU before u listen to anything more he says :)
Steele Storm State War Academy	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:51:00 - [106] What that person did was completely considered griefing. You should report him. Most people that I have encountered thus far, I am also very new to the game, have been very helpful and genuinely pleasant. Now I understand that this is not always the case, however so far in my experience the griefers have been the exception, not the rule. Unfortunately though, you need to exercise caution in whatever you do in EVE as there is always someone somewhere that is trying to either grief your ship or wallet. It is very irritating that this happened to you while you're on your tutorial mission, however I have to agree with the consensus of the majority that its good that this happened early with only your Ibis. This game can be very harsh, however a lot of headaches can be avoided through research, caution, and common sense, although a good chunk of luck does play into it sometimes. To give an example, I was wanting to outfit my new ship (a low cost frigate) with a Shield Booster upgrade that was better then the civilian module. I checked the market and found a decently priced one that was located 9 jumps away. The price was really nice so I bought it instantly. Excited that I saved myself a bundle of cash I checked Assets, set my destination, and undocked to claim my find. Upon entering space I noticed that my final destination came up as red. "***!" I checked it out and sure enough it is in 0.3 space. Now here is where the caution comes in. I could have just risked it and let my autopilot take me there or I could plan smart and check whatÆs been going on in the system. I loaded up my map and set the filters to show ships destroyed and pods destroyed. Only a few ships had been destroyed, but no pods, it could have been just pirates, however I didnÆt want to take that chance in my new ship. So I waited a few hours while I ratted and ran a few missions and checked out the docked pilots, destroyed ships, and pods killed within the last hour and it came up blank. That is when I took my opportunity to run in, grab my loot, and run out. There are tools everywhere at your disposal to be cautious and plan your strategy in both typical things, like grabbing purchased items, and combat. This is the reason I love this game already, is that it really makes you think and you have complete control of your own destiny. Yea, sometimes jackoff's get the better of you, but if you play smart it can be avoided. So I'd suggest if you like the idea of carving out an existence for yourself and building a successful corporation with mates in a ruthless cut-throat universe then give EVE another go, but remember, treat everyone as though they're out to get you and play cautiously. --------------------------------------------- "Win as if you were used to it, lose as if you enjoyed it for a change." -Ralph Waldo Emerson*
MMXMMX Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.02.27 21:02:00 - [107] Originally by: RaazAguul Im not even in the game for a few hours, haven't even finished the tutorial. I just learned how to take stuff from wreckages. Then a high level guy comes to the training station and puts out a bunch of canisters that says "free stuff for noobs" I take one, and he kills me. I launch again and instantly he kills me again. I did not know that there was a 15 minute waiting time or even that Id get killed for taking the "trap" at a training base? Do the GMs acctually think this is acceptable? The guy knew I had no clue what I was doing when he set the trap at the training base. The guy also knew I had no clue about the 15 minute waiting time. I really have no desire to play on any further either. So GMs should take note of this. Account cancelled. Yes :) the GMs acctually think this is acceptable and its getting even beter :) The are changing the game more and more this way so that high level players can do just that :) O yes and dont say it out loud here that u like to run missions ore mine ore leurn the game in peace . Lots of players here wil hate u fore that :) The GMs to :)
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 21:26:00 - [108] Originally by: Death Kill EVE DOESNT have levels. Eve is one of the most complicated and poorly documented games on the market. Let's make fun of every new player who doesn't immediately know the "correct" terminology...oh, oh, and let's trick them into looting our cans so we can shoot them, too! Everyone knows what someone means when he mentions a "high level guy". It's a pretty basic gaming concept and is not dependent on formal "levels". It's amazing Eve retains as many players as it does, seeing as how so many current customers do everything they can to shoo away new subscribers.
Varelse Wiggin Minmatar World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.02.27 21:35:00 - [109] Originally by: Ziu To the OP, Eve is not the game for you, you're right. In Eve, you are expected to take some responsibility for your own actions. Yes, what this guy did was lame. However, you clicked past the warning that told you what could happen next. It happened next, and suddenly you're here crying about it. Two options: see what you did wrong, learn from it, move on and become a more knowing player. Second: throw your toys out of the pram, yell at the game for not wrapping you in cotton wool and leave. Welcome to Eve :) Exactly, take responsibility for you own actions. You lot of dumb gits "OH LOL HIS FAULT" Maybe the griefer should take responsibility for his own actions, it's not only the victims fault that they got victimized. Quit with this nonsensial moral relativism and just admit that the griefer was at fault just as much...in fact moreso than the griefed new player. Knowledge of the game is a massive upperhand, moreso than skillpoints.
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2007.02.28 00:04:00 - [110] Well I am sorry you experienced this, unfortnatly this have been a thing that came with the increase playerbase... I remember when I where a newbie back in early 2004 and peak time had 5000-7000 people playing, back then atleast in CAS (Center for Advanced Studies, Gallente newbie corp) people where friendly, they even stood up for each other as I can remember once there where 2 people from CAS camped in a station and called out for help. People came from the newbiecorp to help our friend out, people came in newbieship... frigs and cruisers... to help out. Also you could ask in "corpchat" for some iskies (borrow that is) because you needed to get something fast. There where always those who gave you that, and I remember I even used to do that to others and I always got it back from those individuals. Eventually when I got older and more experienced I took my impressions from that time with me and always helped out new players to get into the game, that is being with ships or isk and ofcourse advices ... where to find good ore, how to start out .. skillwise. I remember one guy came along where I where mining with both my miningbarges (2 accounts) this guy was flying around in a imicus trying to get enough to get a bigger ship (man do I remember those days!!!), anyway he wants ot haul for me, and comes with his imicus so what do I do ? well I said I where going to be in the system for another 45 minutes... he could take as much as he could for those time ... even told him to make instant bookmarks for faster travel. Over the years I have seen a steady decline in stories like this, people gets more paranoid, more grief in the game ... it is hard being new to this game ... much harder now than it where back in 2004 atleast. Well .. I hate to say this but since I have canceled my accounts and have begun playing WoW (yes I know), I have actually met so many "mature" people there.. seriously ... some of the kids in WoW seems to be much much more mature than many of the people on these forums. I always held EVE-Online high, with mature people and all .. little did I know. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
BubbaZanetti	Posted - 2007.02.28 00:15:00 - [111] How come no one ever complains about starting to play Counter Strike or Quake, and getting killed within five seconds of getting in the game? "Oh my god, I'm a noob, I just started, and that guy has killed me twenty times in five minutes. Is this how this game works? I quit." Not every mmo will hold your hand and tell you you're special.
Allen Deckard Gallente WTB Supplies	Posted - 2007.02.28 00:26:00 - [112] just currious what did you loose? and ibis? Didn't you get everything back when you docked? I mean how much isk did you have to buy stuff with maybe 2k? thing is yah it lame stupid kill worth nothing to him. But nothing lost to you. There are an awfull lot of other warning signs youll get later on that will be alot more expensive to ignore. If you keep playing the game I suggest you read them all. Couple the come to mind low sec warning, your committig a criminal act warning. Kentucky where the goats roam and the rednecks run free
Angellyne	Posted - 2007.02.28 00:33:00 - [113] Posting this sort of thing on the forum is a good move. Many potential Eve players probably check out the forums before they give it a try. This sort of thread will teach them: (a) This sort of thing happens. Heed the warnings. (2) The forum is about 75% muppets, 25% people who want to see you stick around and enjoy Eve. (iii) Never read what others post before you reply. That way a 1-page "game's not for me" thread becomes a 5-page "you clicked Yes foo, go play WoW, can I have your cliches" thread. That keeps it on the front page long enough for a few more potential players to see it.
Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.28 00:36:00 - [114] You know, its stuff like this that will make me enjoy the game forever (provided GMÆs donÆt mess it up) In WOW its forced balanced and coddling all the way, one side cant have a spy in the ranks of the other, you cant hurt someone without there permission, general babysitting like that. In EVE, you are protected as long as you donÆt undock, but after that there is no guarantee, there are spies out there, people who want you to do something that will make you a legitimate target they can freely kill for 15 minutes. While I disagree with the act of doing this in a starter system and I think he should have been banned for that particularly I can appreciate that the designers arenÆt playing the part of ôyour motherö and babying you the whole time. If you really feel that you canÆt look out for yourself then you should probably go back to a game that has a built in mother. If you need some help in this game and want to learn to fend for yourself then find a decent starter corp and start learning how to play. (contact me ingame if you need anything else) Originally by: RaazAguul Im not even in the game for a few hours, haven't even finished the tutorial. I just learned how to take stuff from wreckages. Then a high level guy comes to the training station and puts out a bunch of canisters that says "free stuff for noobs" I take one, and he kills me. I launch again and instantly he kills me again. I did not know that there was a 15 minute waiting time or even that Id get killed for taking the "trap" at a training base? Do the GMs acctually think this is acceptable? The guy knew I had no clue what I was doing when he set the trap at the training base. The guy also knew I had no clue about the 15 minute waiting time. I really have no desire to play on any further either. So GMs should take note of this. Account cancelled. Ingame website to help management (+)+(*^) = ^+
Bishop Vic Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.28 00:45:00 - [115] Originally by: Bishman82 Then after you get shot and return to the station, the tutorial woman gives you a lecture on taking gifts from strangers before giving you a replacement ship. Hmmm, maybe not... ROFL I was always told not to take candy from strangers by my mum, maybe thats a lesson not given out anymore....
Kylana Darkfate Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.28 00:48:00 - [116] The immature kiddie responses the OP is getting is a perfect example how ridiculously retarded and immature the Eve community has become. We honestly need more people like him in game than most of these forum whoring social rejects. -------------------------------- "You see, no one would surrender to the Dread Pirate Westley." ...Well how about the Dread Pirate Kylana? ^_^
Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.28 00:51:00 - [117] Originally by: Kylana Darkfate The immature kiddie responses the OP is getting is a perfect example how ridiculously retarded and immature the Eve community has become. We honestly need more people like him in game than most of these forum whoring social rejects. such as yourself? honestly, your comments have probably taken what was a mostly good discussion and will turn it into a flame war. Ingame website to help management (+)+(*^) = ^+
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.02.28 00:53:00 - [118] Haha thats great! I believe online bullying should be protected. Would you rather I bully and grief you online or shoot up a place or rob people at gunpoint? Pick one outlet please, you can't have it both ways. CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com
Kylana Darkfate Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.28 01:05:00 - [119] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Haha thats great! I believe online bullying should be protected. Would you rather I bully and grief you online or shoot up a place or rob people at gunpoint? Pick one outlet please, you can't have it both ways. Actually we can. Go do your illegal things and either get arrested or shot, then we can have both without you! -------------------------------- "You see, no one would surrender to the Dread Pirate Westley." ...Well how about the Dread Pirate Kylana? ^_^
Hektor Ramirez Outer Ring Tourist Information Center	Posted - 2007.02.28 01:57:00 - [120] Originally by: Kylana Darkfate The immature kiddie responses the OP is getting is a perfect example how ridiculously retarded and immature the Eve community has become. We honestly need more people like him in game than most of these forum whoring social rejects. Since you're pretending to speak for some imaginary group of people I'm going to go ahead and pretend there's someone standing behind me too when I say that we have to be mature all day long and play games so we can go lol you ate the yellow snowcone instead of My god, good man, what an unfortunate turn of events. Care for a cup of tea? for a moment without some soccer mom going morality brigade on us. Sitting in front of a thread overanalyzing and looking down on people who are having a bit of harmless fun in a civilized manner makes you a forum whoring social reject in my eyes. -
Kylana Darkfate Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.28 02:54:00 - [121] Originally by: Hektor Ramirez Originally by: Kylana Darkfate The immature kiddie responses the OP is getting is a perfect example how ridiculously retarded and immature the Eve community has become. We honestly need more people like him in game than most of these forum whoring social rejects. Since you're pretending to speak for some imaginary group of people I'm going to go ahead and pretend there's someone standing behind me too when I say that we have to be mature all day long and play games so we can go lol you ate the yellow snowcone instead of My god, good man, what an unfortunate turn of events. Care for a cup of tea? for a moment without some soccer mom going morality brigade on us. Sitting in front of a thread overanalyzing and looking down on people who are having a bit of harmless fun in a civilized manner makes you a forum whoring social reject in my eyes. If you call most of the responses civilized I hate to see how civil you're going to be when you grow up. I speak for the majority of mature people who don't even look at the forums anymore because the amount of trash (this means you) that has accumulated on here. Someone must try to keep the balance. Now go to bed kiddie. -------------------------------- "You see, no one would surrender to the Dread Pirate Westley." ...Well how about the Dread Pirate Kylana? ^_^
Hektor Ramirez Outer Ring Tourist Information Center	Posted - 2007.02.28 03:21:00 - [122] Originally by: Kylana Darkfate Someone must try to keep the balance. Can you say that again, but this time with the same sad, worried, tired, "This is my burden" kind of look in your eyes that Elijah Wood has perfected? Quote: Now go to bed kiddie. Guess my timezone and win fabulous prizes! -
Darkenral	Posted - 2007.02.28 04:40:00 - [123] EVE is NOTHING like when I started in 2005, in 2005 generally if someone offered to help they helped, after a fight generally a good convo ensued, and the forums while always rowdy were never like this cesspool they have become. The pinnacle of PVP in EVE atm: Log on - off traps. Killing super caps via bugs. Social Engineering - yeah ok lying to a bunch of ppl on TS to get them to trust you then selling them out ... is it a wonder nobody plays anymore with ppl they dont know in RL? Scammers paradise in contracts - Market PVP I guess. Node crashing etc Race to see who can find sploits first to sploit them for months on end till CCP fix's em. Apparently EVE has become a sandbox set on a beach in Lord of the Flies. I guess this is all well within CCP's "vision" Not exactly what I consider fun after a long day of grinding @ the office. Whatever; sub is cancelled, 10 days left then I'm out. No you cant have my stuff. Dark
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 04:57:00 - [124] Originally by: Redpants Was your attacker a member of the Privateer Alliance? They're only out for quality PvP. Now don't be blaming the Privateers for this act of puppy kicking. I knew a guy in the first mission ruinning corp I was in who did this has entertainment. ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 05:04:00 - [125] Originally by: Darkenral Apparently EVE has become a sandbox set on a beach in Lord of the Flies. I think that pretty much sums it up!
Hakar Kerarmor	Posted - 2007.02.28 07:53:00 - [126] I suggest making death part of the tutorial. ------------------------------------------- Beware, you who seek first and final principles, for you are trampling the garden of an angry God and he awaits you just beyond the last theorem.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.02.28 08:01:00 - [127] The guy who lured him with a can and killed him was actually part of the tutorial. He failed. Gg. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - - "186,282 miles per second; It's not just a good idea, it's the law."
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2007.02.28 09:31:00 - [128] The guy who lured him with a can was a griefer and should be reported and let CCP deal with them. http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336 Quote: An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated.
Ariandra Rex	Posted - 2007.02.28 09:47:00 - [129] Edited by: Ariandra Rex on 28/02/2007 09:45:51 IÆm just happy that there are some constants in the game anyway, like for example that 95% of the forum posters are self righteous l33t wannabe idiots. It truly is a great game that has such an understanding and friendly forum community where people are so good at pointing out that everyone who makes a mistake or fails to play 100% correct (aka n00bs) should go play WoW because they clearly canÆt handle this game. I always wondered why people act as idiots on forums like this, and IÆve reached three conclusions: 1: They hide behind their internet ôanonymityö which makes them act as the *******s they donÆt have the courage to be in real life 2: By saying that everyone else are n00bs and losers they effectively move the spotlight away from their own inadequacy. 3: Due to being harassed or teased in for example school they have a suppressed anger which they need to vent, and as they lack the spine to do anything about it in real life they find mmo games, make their character awesomely nber and can thus expose the n00bs to the same treatment as they had to suffer in real life, think Freud had some good example on this.. cant remember right now. Anyway :) Keep up the friendly work people, you make everyone feel so at home!
NeoNeTiC SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.28 10:53:00 - [130] Edited by: NeoNeTiC on 28/02/2007 10:50:00 First of all: I have not read every page of this thread because I'm certain it doesn't contain any new opinions/statements/flames I haven't read before. Now to my actual post, which is more directed towards the OPs experience and does not deal with general RL out of character moral-questions or petition-stuff: I'm writing this mostly from a InCharacter perspective: One thing I personally like about EVE is its dark nature and lawlessnes. The EVE universe is not full of shiny heroes, boasting about their righteuous attitude, how they fight for honesty and the law and try to purge evil, though there are a few out there. It's more of a sandbox which allows you to act good, bad, to turn sides whenever you like, while facing the reaction of other people or entities (such as corporations and alliances). The impression that seemingly "secure" space is controlled by strict "lawful good" organisations, is wrong. Take a look at the (background) story: It's full of seemingly reasonless agression, hatered, treachery, murder and backstabbing and a whole lot of war and bloodshed. One may question the way one is introduced to this universe but older players know about it's abysmal psychological (roleplaying) depths. Whole corporations or alliances got robbed or backstabbed by people they trusted, be it their leaders or ordinary members. Showing off your capabilites on weaker subjects is definitely possible - and reasonal. You gain something (be it a ego-boost or a monetary value) without losing anything - except your reputation. Not everybody is bad of course. Having the will and intention to get in touch with trustworthy people (be it through a corporation you're member of or just "regular" trading/mining/missionrunning partners) does definitely pay off. There are a few people I put so much trust in that I'd give them everything I've got without worrying to permanently lose it - though it took ages to earn and prove what I "feel". I'm in a corporation which gives me the feeling of being surrounded by personalites who think a bit alike and share a vision of "having fun" amongst other goals. I'm sure you're asking by now how this all is supposed to help you. Well, life is easier when you don't worry too much. I know you've lost a ship, the modules fitted on it and possibly a large amount of your overall possesions. You've got a reason to question it. But you've learned an important lesson: EVE is rough. There are a lot of scoundrels out there (Including myself by the way. I'm a pirate and wouldn't hesitate to shoot you once the opportunity arises but it's nothing personal. It's business. And business is good. And fun.) but the further your advance on your way towards your goals the more you'll see that it was worth it. No risk, no fun - especially in EVE. More concrete advice: Try to get away from "hubs". Look for another nice system and carefully find out who you can rely on and who not while learning and earning some ISK to get closer to your goals. Try joining a corporation with players who fit your style/attitude. Try to be one of those who are upholding the law and can be trusted - or became a scoundrel yourself. Whatever you do, have fun with it and prepare to face the consequences. If you find yourself in trouble somewhere, try to call for help - if you're not in player-corporation use local. Keep in mind that some people not in your corporation might try to screw you again - so use it wisely ;) The next time you scoop up any player-owned cans be ready to warp out or dock instantly after doing so - unless you know the person offering you to take it and trust him. People in player-corporations are more likely to keep word than people in NPC-corps - of course only if they're the "good guys". I hope you'll enjoy your further adventures. Regards, NeoNeTiC SWIGG-Roleplaying-Psychologist
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.28 11:38:00 - [131] People seem to confuse 'not coddling the new players' with 'being leet kiddies' or whatever. The OP was stupid and paid the price, there is nothing else to it. Welcome to the Jungle. -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Dionisius Gallente Vagabundos THE H0RDE	Posted - 2007.02.28 11:49:00 - [132] Well guys like the one that poped the OP should be banned. There is no honour, no gain, no point in doing that, its cheer stupidity and it leads to potential new players to cancel their accounts. Whatever you say about, welcome to the jungle, this and that, what happened to this guy, sure happens or happened to alot of us but the people that do it should be permanently banned. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.02.28 12:03:00 - [133] Originally by: Montague Zooma Eve is one of the most complicated and poorly documented games on the market. Let's make fun of every new player who doesn't immediately know the "correct" terminology Complicated? No. Its the other mmo's who are simple and designed for children. And my post was informative, not mockery.
Rabbitual Ferrier	Posted - 2007.02.28 12:34:00 - [134] Theres a lot of people on here with the 'ha ha go back to WoW attitude, its your fault.' and they are kind of right, Eve is very different in that your are very much thrown in at the deep end, and their attitude probably stems more from the fact that they've been caught out, killed or ripped off in some similar way. And it is a valuable lesson about Eve, that its a very different experience. But its still griefing as laid out by CCP, and these kinds of people aren't the general rule, and it will only be a length of time until you start taking advantage of situations over other people (abiet not necessarily in such a lame way). Eve is a great game, and has an enourmous amount of freedom that is simply down to the minimal involvement of the CCP. However the price that comes with are the griefers (not the Pirates) but the wannabe Ginger Magicians (although thinking abut that...). Most of them are sadly very normal people....
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.28 12:39:00 - [135] Isn't the major point here that dying while in a newb ship, in a character which was just created loses you LITERALLY nothing. No clone costs, no ship costs, free Velator!
Matt Hunter Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.28 13:38:00 - [136] OP made a mistake and is crying about it here. IMO both parties are wrong. OP shouldn't have been dumb enough to loot a can right in front of the greifer. Greifer should not have killed a newb in a newb ship. Lesson learned, get on with your virtual life, get strong and find the guy and kick his greifing butt. Chuck Norris pretends to be me.
Franconis	Posted - 2007.02.28 14:48:00 - [137] Originally by: RaazAguul Im not even in the game for a few hours, haven't even finished the tutorial. I just learned how to take stuff from wreckages. Then a high level guy comes to the training station and puts out a bunch of canisters that says "free stuff for noobs" I take one, and he kills me. I launch again and instantly he kills me again. I did not know that there was a 15 minute waiting time or even that Id get killed for taking the "trap" at a training base? Do the GMs acctually think this is acceptable? The guy knew I had no clue what I was doing when he set the trap at the training base. The guy also knew I had no clue about the 15 minute waiting time. I really have no desire to play on any further either. So GMs should take note of this. Account cancelled. you got pwned.
Julius Augustas	Posted - 2007.02.28 15:36:00 - [138] Originally by: Hektor Ramirez Edited by: Hektor Ramirez on 27/02/2007 01:23:30 Originally by: RaazAguul to place a cargo box out there that says "free stuff for noobs" implys just that. And then to turn around and kill them for doing so is griefing. Haha oh man, it's like a demented space version of Wile E. Coyote and Roadrunner where Roadrunner eats the "free bird seed" and an anvil drops on his head and credits roll. He needed to be in an inty though so he could speed away. And yes, think of it as part of the tutorial.
Tarron Sarek Gallente Endica Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.28 15:50:00 - [139] Originally by: Arialla Originally by: Hektor Ramirez Originally by: Arialla I think "sadism" is a more correct term. The inevitable armchair psychology is always the best part of these threads Thank you. I aim to be the best part of any thread I post in, unlike others, who just troll, contributing nothing, just trying to stir up people but generally just being annoying pests. Thanks Arialla for pointing that out just when I was about to do it. Half-assed bullies without a sense of social competence surely are my favourites. ___________________________________ _/_/ Game balance isn't just a luxury \_\_
Emily Spankratchet Minmatar Pragmatics	Posted - 2007.02.28 15:55:00 - [140] Originally by: Darkenral EVE is NOTHING like when I started in 2005, in 2005 generally if someone offered to help they helped, after a fight generally a good convo ensued, and the forums while always rowdy were never like this cesspool they have become. I agree with some of your points. But... Quote: Social Engineering - yeah ok lying to a bunch of ppl on TS to get them to trust you then selling them out ... is it a wonder nobody plays anymore with ppl they dont know in RL? Wasn't 2005 the year of the Guiding Hand Social Club heist? Not everything was different then.
Tarron Sarek Gallente Endica Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.28 16:06:00 - [141] Originally by: Kumu Honua The guy who lured him with a can was a griefer and should be reported and let CCP deal with them. http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336 Quote: An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated. Thanks a bunch for staying level headed and posting facts instead of some lame smack talk. Some people seem to need their daily dose of bashing to.. yeah actually I don't wanna know. ___________________________________ _/_/ Game balance isn't just a luxury \_\_
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2007.02.28 18:28:00 - [142] Originally by: RaazAguul The guy knew I had no clue what I was doing when he set the trap at the training base. The guy also knew I had no clue about the 15 minute waiting time. You didn't know. Know you know. The faster you learn, the better. What's the problem? It's not like you lost anything (rookie ship are given free of charge). You should be thankful he killed you while you still had the rookie ship, not some other ship. As for no desire to play anymore. If you can't afford to lose a free rookie ship, than the game is really not for you == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Maltere	Posted - 2007.02.28 18:49:00 - [143] well, i havent read all of this, ive quickly skipped through a lot, and to be fair, half the replies i have seen make me realise that the eve community is going to **** half of you sound like teenagers, flaming the op for what happened. Eve used to be a pretty mature game once over. This is someone NEW, doesnt know the game mechanics, thought someone was helping the new person, as some people still do, and got ganked for his trust. Then he comes on here and finds out that the general mentality of the eve community is comparable to a school playground. way to go people, excellent way to welcome people to the game.
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2007.02.28 21:54:00 - [144] Originally by: Maltere This is someone NEW, doesnt know the game mechanics ... and got ganked for his trust. Is there a more perfect time to learn such things as can-agro timer and "dont trust anyone in EvE" other than at the very beginning with a free replaceable ship? Honestly, answer the question. Would it have been better if he learned it the hard way after spending several weeks mining for his first cruiser and spending all his money on it and losing it all? == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Dragon Lord Caldari Helion Production Labs	Posted - 2007.02.28 22:42:00 - [145] Edited by: Dragon Lord on 28/02/2007 22:39:00 seriously m8, give the game another go, so u learnt a hard lesson some eve players like to play dirty but trust me when i say loosing a noob ship and equipment is NOTHING to what you can loose deeper into the game. Best thing to do is join a corp and ask lots and lots and lots of questions. Most people are happy to help will ships to fly, setups to use skills to train and scams and grief tactics to watch out for. Seriously this game is cool and im only 10 months into it myself.
Reggie Stoneloader eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:19:00 - [146] Edited by: Reggie Stoneloader on 01/03/2007 00:18:43 I bet the guy who killed him popped a three-inch chubby when he saw this thread. Outrage, shame, disgust and rancor are among the prizes griefers value. It's bad sportsmanship, reprehensible condust and probably indicative of a bad attitude in general. I like to imagine that the griefers are all pubescent young boys out to prove in a virtual galaxy what they can't prove on the playground, but I suspect that a large number of them are frustrated professionals, unrequited lovers or just generally jerks with bad attitudes and low self-esteem. Grief play is my least favorite sort of meta-gaming, because it breaks the fourth wall, targeting the actual player rather than the character or even the character's assets. It's outside the realm of the video game and into the real world. In this case, a guy quit EvE because of in-game actions, and whoever brought that about would probably be glad to hear it. That's bad gaming. Originally by: hydraSlav Honestly, answer the question. Would it have been better if he learned it the hard way after spending several weeks mining for his first cruiser and spending all his money on it and losing it all? I did that. Got my first Osprey with a week worth of Bantam pump & jump and some borrowed funds, then learned about jetcan mining, ore thieves, can flagging, counter flagging, why a Rifter's a better 1v1 ship than an Osprey with one assault launcher, and why you should insure your ships all within about a ten-minute window. Totally freaking destitute. That's when I switched from mining skills to shooting skills.
Lance Hawke New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.03.01 00:26:00 - [147] So can I have your velator or not?
Cainex	Posted - 2007.03.01 01:04:00 - [148] I do feel sorry for the OP....that would really leave a bad taste in my mouth of that's how I was introduced to this game. Unfortunately he has learned what we have all learned eventually, some of the people who play are real ****s
Hypatia Iola Caldari Warhounds	Posted - 2007.03.01 01:45:00 - [149] am i the only one who noticed that the OP has been absent since page 2? anyway man(if you're listening), and everyone else (same concept) i'm a whopping 3 months old, and a bunch o my friends just started(literally 2 days ago) and you know what, we've been getting the crap blasted out of us. seriously, we've been ganked, blasted, blobbed, and ONE TIME solo ratted to hell and back. we've gotten HOSED. beaten, bloodied, pummeled, and other descriptions of being absurdly abused as well. but you know what,. my friends are all saying "dude this game is AWESOME" because they see that if someone else can do it, so can they. we're getting together a "safari" to go hunting the guys who've blown us away. We'll probably lose, but that's okay. we'll kill SOMETHING of theirs, and that mean eventually we can wipe them the hell out. the only gripe i have with Eve isn't that PvP is unfair, but that if i want to do it i basically MUST be a pirate. for a supposedly PvP based game there seems to be only one way to do it. What if i want to bounty hunt but not have a damned negative sec status (i'm a good guy at heart)? that's it. now the guy who did this whole n00battack thing is a moron by all accounts, deserves to be eaten by cannibalistic but misguided orangutans, etc. but there is a recourse here. BTW i can see him thinking "Hey free stuff! This guy seems alright, I guess he won't us that 'opportunity ti attack' that this talks about" i can see it because i'd drop cans and just let people have the stuff if it wouldn't let goofy retards like whatever the griefer's name was be more effective. be nicer, be more like me, because i am in all ways perfect. that includes my grammar and spelling BTW, so if you're about to say something about it it just means that YOU are wrong and i am right. http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/users/45d4e030z1b06b782/flibbertigibbet2/__sr_/72c2scd.jpg?pf0GO1FB.4ah3.DN

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