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permion Aliastra Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2016.05.30 01:16:02 - [31] - Quote Maunreyzi wrote: Why not rename them into Weapon Power Grid Upgrades and Weapon CPU Upgrades? This was worth logging in for upvoting.
Jacob Farron Clone Snatchers Solyaris Chtonium 0	Posted - 2016.05.30 01:29:08 - [32] - Quote If I had to train it to level 5, so does everyone else.
Judas Lonestar Stryker Industries 129	Posted - 2016.05.30 01:35:12 - [33] - Quote So it is written, so it shall be. Make it so.
Danetta Valens Phayder Research 0	Posted - 2016.05.30 01:43:38 - [34] - Quote I hope it's only a start of a good way. There are plenty of skills with useless prereqs. I want even see all the prereqs for T2 ships to be reduced. i.e. newbie would fly an assault frigate with racial frigate IV and assault frigate IV. It's now pointless to have bonuses per racial basic ship for these hulls as they are requiered to be at five, These skills still be trained to five for bonuses provided by hulls, but entrance level for newbies will be lowered for sure. Current system are so inconsistent. Sometimes we need lvl5 skill to proceed to the next, sometimes we don't. Look at Jump Drive Operation and Jump Drive Calibration. The first one is capacitor usage, the second is jump range "i.e. power skill". For jam, damp and other e-war we can only train "capacitor usage" at 4, and then we can train "power skill" (for example, Sensor Linking (IV) -> Signal Suppression). But Jump Calibration still have a ~60 day of prereq for some reason (none). The same applies for Advanced Spaceship Command, which is terrible skill. The time, when there are not enough skills, this is is just created to be there. It has only lvl1/lvl4/lvl5. The skill itself designed to help with warp-out of capital ships. But instead we have to train to V to even sit on capitals. Some skills (like, Freighter, Jump Freighter) can be trained al lower levels of ASC, but what the point of this, if every capital itself have prereq ASC V? We can just delete this skill and add 25% agility for every capital instead. I won't continue the list of trash skills right now, but it is actually super-huge, literally almost every skillgroup has some.
Maldiro Selkurk CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X 555	Posted - 2016.05.30 02:01:43 - [35] - Quote since PWG and CPU are entirely separate needs AWU should never have been dependent on WU. Make neither dependent on the other and fix this agregious mistake. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Jugular Vein Adversity. Psychotic Tendencies. 7	Posted - 2016.05.30 02:03:48 - [36] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Works for me. AWU isn't a direct upgrade of WU, so no need to force people to take the entire path. And easier fitting is a good thing. Jump Drive Operation and Jump Drive Calibration are just as different from each other (as Danetta already seems to have pointed out above me).
Greygal Redemption Road Affirmative. 494	Posted - 2016.05.30 03:13:51 - [37] - Quote Split them apart, so AWU not dependent upon WU. At the same time, adjust the training time modifier so they have the same modifier, and it's not a terribly long train. At most should not be more than 3x imho. And the name change suggestion above is BRILLIANT! GÖÑ What you do for yourself dies with you, what you do for others is immortal. Free weekly public roams & monthly NewBro new player roams! Visit Redemption Road or join mailing list REDEMPTION ROAMS for information
Frixiooon The Suicide Kings Psychotic Tendencies. 18	Posted - 2016.05.30 03:19:03 - [38] - Quote No CCP, NO! Lowering skillrequirements Daily mission for exp... No new skills for faxes.... Stop turning eve into WoW. All the changes you are making to the game to make it more accesible for new players or the larger crowd is killing the flair the game had before.
elitatwo Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance 1226	Posted - 2016.05.30 03:44:36 - [39] - Quote Bienator II wrote: good change. will help new players to get into tight fits quicker and still allow to optimize later by training lvl5 With a small lobotomy they can inject themselves, why create a situation for all the noobs that will maybe stay a week or two and demand new stuff or leave? Could be me being silly but having someone stay for a decade or two brings more isk than a noob that will stay 2 weeks? Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike. We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
Coralas Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2016.05.30 04:06:55 - [40] - Quote elitatwo wrote: Bienator II wrote: good change. will help new players to get into tight fits quicker and still allow to optimize later by training lvl5 With a small lobotomy they can inject themselves, why create a situation for all the noobs that will maybe stay a week or two and demand new stuff or leave? Could be me being silly but having someone stay for a decade or two brings more isk than a noob that will stay 2 weeks? (a) they shouldn't optimize the game around the assumption that people will inject (b) having essential skills with V prereqs from almost unrelated skills means that every character is trained the same and the task is one of discovery and waiting and not one of optimally choosing levels of skills to get best performance at intermediate ages. (c) imo waiting on long skills probably doesn't increase the average length of sub, nor is likely to convert trials.

Lugh Crow-Slave 2690	Posted - 2016.05.30 04:32:49 - [41] - Quote Demolishar wrote: This will also reduce the time required to get into a useable Dreadnought, Titan, or Marauder. will it? or will you still need WU V i think you should still need WUV for these thigns Citadel worm hole tax
Lugh Crow-Slave 2690	Posted - 2016.05.30 04:36:35 - [42] - Quote Frixiooon wrote: No CCP, NO! Lowering skillrequirements Daily mission for exp... No new skills for faxes.... Stop turning eve into WoW. All the changes you are making to the game to make it more accesible for new players or the larger crowd is killing the flair the game had before. it's comments like this that diminish the validity of the actual concerns whith some of the changes ccp makes Citadel worm hole tax
Caleb Seremshur The Atomic Fallout Kids 814	Posted - 2016.05.30 04:57:28 - [43] - Quote Suitonia wrote: Can you reduce the prerequisites for Guided Missile Precision from Missile Launcher Operation 5 to level 4 too while you're here. All the gunnery support skills are unlocked from Gunnery 5, and only Gunnery 5 is required for Battleship guns, which is true for Battleship missile types too with MLO 5 but it currently is a huge road block for new missile characters as it's the most important application skill and it's walled away. Bu bu but muh legacy game design. Stop streamlining my experience you philistine
Eddie Beeblebrox Helldivers. 4	Posted - 2016.05.30 05:47:53 - [44] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Hey folks. Just got a small change today about which I want to start gathering feedback. We're planning on reducing the prereqs for training the Advanced Weapon Upgrades skill from it's current level of Weapon Upgrades 5, to require Weapon Upgrades 4 instead. If we go forward with it, this change would likely come in our 118.6 release at the end of June. I have a feeling that the feedback here will be mostly positive, but I'm definitely interested in hearing what you think either way. Thanks! Why?
Lugh Crow-Slave 2690	Posted - 2016.05.30 05:50:08 - [45] - Quote Eddie Beeblebrox wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Hey folks. Just got a small change today about which I want to start gathering feedback. We're planning on reducing the prereqs for training the Advanced Weapon Upgrades skill from it's current level of Weapon Upgrades 5, to require Weapon Upgrades 4 instead. If we go forward with it, this change would likely come in our 118.6 release at the end of June. I have a feeling that the feedback here will be mostly positive, but I'm definitely interested in hearing what you think either way. Thanks! Why? because this way it is not so much easier to train missiles over turrets this will be a big help to training caldari rail boats in particular Citadel worm hole tax
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 33874	Posted - 2016.05.30 07:13:41 - [46] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Hey folks. Just got a small change today about which I want to start gathering feedback. We're planning on reducing the prereqs for training the Advanced Weapon Upgrades skill from it's current level of Weapon Upgrades 5, to require Weapon Upgrades 4 instead. If we go forward with it, this change would likely come in our 118.6 release at the end of June. I have a feeling that the feedback here will be mostly positive, but I'm definitely interested in hearing what you think either way. Thanks! I'd like to see characters able to undock T2 ships with racial ship skill 1 and T2 ship skill 1 and absolute level 1 fitting requirements across the board for a very paper thin ship as a rope-to-hang-oneself type of thing, and any move in that direction is good by me. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Danetta Valens Phayder Research 1	Posted - 2016.05.30 07:57:05 - [47] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Hey folks. Just got a small change today about which I want to start gathering feedback. We're planning on reducing the prereqs for training the Advanced Weapon Upgrades skill from it's current level of Weapon Upgrades 5, to require Weapon Upgrades 4 instead. If we go forward with it, this change would likely come in our 118.6 release at the end of June. I have a feeling that the feedback here will be mostly positive, but I'm definitely interested in hearing what you think either way. Thanks! I'd like to see characters able to undock T2 ships with racial ship skill 1 and T2 ship skill 1 and absolute level 1 fitting requirements across the board for a very paper thin ship as a rope-to-hang-oneself type of thing, and any move in that direction is good by me. Absolutely agreed. That way people still will train these skills up to 5 because of bonuses, newbros will not be forced to wait for a 3+ months for their covops/inty/recon/etc.
Primary This Rifter SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 1180	Posted - 2016.05.30 08:10:37 - [48] - Quote Danetta Valens wrote: Rain6637 wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Hey folks. Just got a small change today about which I want to start gathering feedback. We're planning on reducing the prereqs for training the Advanced Weapon Upgrades skill from it's current level of Weapon Upgrades 5, to require Weapon Upgrades 4 instead. If we go forward with it, this change would likely come in our 118.6 release at the end of June. I have a feeling that the feedback here will be mostly positive, but I'm definitely interested in hearing what you think either way. Thanks! I'd like to see characters able to undock T2 ships with racial ship skill 1 and T2 ship skill 1 and absolute level 1 fitting requirements across the board for a very paper thin ship as a rope-to-hang-oneself type of thing, and any move in that direction is good by me. Absolutely agreed. That way people still will train these skills up to 5 because of bonuses, newbros will not be forced to wait for a 3+ months for their covops/inty/recon/etc. Covops or inty takes less than two weeks.
Danetta Valens Phayder Research 1	Posted - 2016.05.30 08:15:38 - [49] - Quote Primary This Rifter wrote: Danetta Valens wrote: Rain6637 wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Hey folks. Just got a small change today about which I want to start gathering feedback. We're planning on reducing the prereqs for training the Advanced Weapon Upgrades skill from it's current level of Weapon Upgrades 5, to require Weapon Upgrades 4 instead. If we go forward with it, this change would likely come in our 118.6 release at the end of June. I have a feeling that the feedback here will be mostly positive, but I'm definitely interested in hearing what you think either way. Thanks! I'd like to see characters able to undock T2 ships with racial ship skill 1 and T2 ship skill 1 and absolute level 1 fitting requirements across the board for a very paper thin ship as a rope-to-hang-oneself type of thing, and any move in that direction is good by me. Absolutely agreed. That way people still will train these skills up to 5 because of bonuses, newbros will not be forced to wait for a 3+ months for their covops/inty/recon/etc. Covops or inty takes less than two weeks. Go and check then. But anyway, numbers ma not be accurate, still an issue.
Eternity Mistseeker Renegades of Eve Aureus Alae 27	Posted - 2016.05.30 08:51:39 - [50] - Quote Weapons Upgrades 5 was always a pain as you really did not care, you just wanted the weapons power grid reductions to make your fit. Weapons Upgrades should have prerequisites Gunnery 4 and CPU Management 4, Advanced Weapons Upgrades should have prerequisites Gunnery 4 and Power Grid Management 4. Weapons Upgrades should be increased from a 2x (because i have an evil side and it makes HACs a bit more effort), and Advanced Weapons Upgrades kept at 6x. Oh and rename as well.

Arcturus Ursidae Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2016.05.30 09:04:14 - [51] - Quote Make it weapon upgrades 3. It's new players that This will affect the most, may as well give them a bit of CPU and power grid reduction in less than a day. Yes to renaming slightly.
Abra Ka Dabra Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 1	Posted - 2016.05.30 09:25:55 - [52] - Quote Could you please push this forward. WU V is about to start in my queue in a couple of days. Looks like I should delay it.
Morrigan LeSante Black Omega Security The OSS 1417	Posted - 2016.05.30 09:30:38 - [53] - Quote So you change the 9 day train prerequisite, but leave missiles with GMP & WU at their existing ranks? I don't even.
Sabriz Adoudel Move along there is nothing here 5830	Posted - 2016.05.30 11:21:46 - [54] - Quote This gets the CODE. seal of approval. I'm sure we can find ways to put this change to good use. But seriously - excellent change, especially if combined with a renaming. AWU 3 is a very important fitting skill. I also second the request above to change the stupid +agility skill for capitals that never serves a purpose because you need it to 5 to sit in any capital. Let people sit in and pilot freighters, carriers and dreads with ASC 1-3, require 4 for JFs and 5 for supercapitals. ASC 5 will remain a desireable skill but won't be a total roadblock to experiencing capitals. I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1675	Posted - 2016.05.30 11:30:52 - [55] - Quote Yes please do this, it was a total bind to me when I was a new player to struggle to fit ships because I needed advanced Weapons Upgrade and such a long wait to do level 5 of Weapons upgrade. Very smart move and I hope you do this. COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
Lugh Crow-Slave 2695	Posted - 2016.05.30 11:39:29 - [56] - Quote Morrigan LeSante wrote: So you change the 9 day train prerequisite, but leave missiles with GMP & WU at their existing ranks? I don't even. what do you mean WU is at IV just like Surgical strike GMP should be moved down though Citadel worm hole tax
Morrigan LeSante Black Omega Security The OSS 1418	Posted - 2016.05.30 11:43:43 - [57] - Quote Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: Morrigan LeSante wrote: So you change the 9 day train prerequisite, but leave missiles with GMP & WU at their existing ranks? I don't even. what do you mean WU is at IV just like Surgical strike GMP should be moved down though Sorry, I should have realised the confusion that might cause. Warhead upgrades. Less bonus, higher rank. GG.
Lord Valian Mythos Corp The-Culture 51	Posted - 2016.05.30 12:02:24 - [58] - Quote I like it! +1 from me.
BoomBoss Mindstar Technology Goonswarm Federation 25	Posted - 2016.05.30 12:07:42 - [59] - Quote Why do you people point at newbro's when nerfing skill requirements? What benefit is it for them? Remember, this is not a themepark game. What you lose here is gone forever. The skill requirements are there so they actually value something and make the correct decision on what to train and what they want. Let the newbro's learn how to use the stuff they have learned sofar instead of making it easier for them to get to use the advanced stuff of which they have absolutely no clue how to use it, only because they could near instantly train into it.
Lord Valian Mythos Corp The-Culture 51	Posted - 2016.05.30 12:15:23 - [60] - Quote BoomBoss wrote: Why do you people point at newbro's when nerfing skill requirements? What benefit is it for them? Remember, this is not a themepark game. What you lose here is gone forever. The skill requirements are there so they actually value something and make the correct decision on what to train and what they want. Let the newbro's learn how to use the stuff they have learned sofar instead of making it easier for them to get to use the advanced stuff of which they have absolutely no clue how to use it, only because they could near instantly train into it. Best way to learn is getting into it and fly. Waiting 3 months to train a skill in order to train another skill is not a good system. All these changes which make the game more accessible are great in my opinion.



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