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Mykale Kwijybow I N F A M O U S 0	Posted - 2016.06.01 01:34:05 - [61] - Quote Another vote against the terrible new camera. I had it disabled the whole time it was an option and I will continue to avoid it at all costs. My biggest complaint is that it doesn't give the flexibility of the old camera. Why can't I just set the camera to track a target at whatever angle / position I want? If I can, why isn't the option easy to find in the camera UI like it used to be? These seem like basic requests that everyone wants, yet CCP continues to ignore everyone. Ignoring your customer base leads to dissatisfied customers and ultimately a dying game ( cough World of Warcraft cough ) "Give a man a bullet and he'll want a gun. Give a man a gun and he'll give away bullets"
Crosi Wesdo War and Order 1919	Posted - 2016.06.01 01:59:54 - [62] - Quote See, i WANT a new well programmed camera. I just want it to feel like the old camera, the camera that not a single person has ever complained about, then add as many OPTIONS on top of that as you want. The way CCP has handled this smacks of amateurism.
Lfod Shi Lfod's Ratting and Salvage 344	Posted - 2016.06.01 02:14:56 - [63] - Quote Meh. If CCP wants to force me out with their Nausea Cam then I'll give em what they want. Lived most of my life before I found internet space ships and I can live the rest the same way. "Adapt and overcome" indeed. GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½
Mikkhi Kisht Vanity Thy Name Is 6	Posted - 2016.06.01 03:19:16 - [64] - Quote I didn't agree with the Overview Icon changes. But was willing to wait for the customizable set as we, the paying customer base was promised. (still not in place, but neither is the return of Region Description flavor text! two years....) I don't use the new map for my scanning. Since it's all pretty but severely lacking in functionability. I only tolerated this new camera since the deal was several of it's short points would be addressed and changed before it becoming the only option. That did not happen. It's still shiny form over useful function with vertigo hiding for a chance to strike again. So CCP. You want new players to stay in the game, not give up. In the meantime you do just about everything you can think of to push the vets out with unneeded, unwanted changes for shiny change sake. Who gets to each your R00kies then? How to play Eve, not just plunk down CC numbers for Plex, Aurum, to get at skill injectors? They'll have epic skills, to be sure. With clue zero how to USE them. For your sakes and ours, put the old camera back in, until you can iron out ALL the bugs, issues, lacks and complaints with this new shiny camera. You knew this blowback was coming. That you did it anyways speaks volumes for how you view your 'bitter vets' customer base. You stick to your guns, I'll stick to mine. Game time only from me. I will not buy Plex, Aurum, and I will not use skill injectors on any of my accounts. After all you don't need all that extra income from little nobody me. You're practically minting cash between all the new players and the income glut from Valkyrie. Right....?
Aristide BriandIII Miners League of Exploration Coalition Requiem Eternal 0	Posted - 2016.06.01 04:11:58 - [65] - Quote Hate to nitpic on the new camera. However, can you restore the 1st person HUD pitch and roll indicators. I find it easier to fly with those on.
Dejara Thoris Alea Iacta Est Universal Blades of Grass 3	Posted - 2016.06.01 04:22:27 - [66] - Quote Somehow CCP managed to break the Skill Queue window for me in this release. I'm using my daily opportunities on a non-training alt and if I change its skill queue the game won't let me close the window, apply skill points, or just save the changes. I just get the "Please Buy Training" dialog, which when OK'd goes back to the unchanged skill queue. Before, if I pressed the "Apply" button, it would give me the dialog and save the changes, letting me do the other things. Now it doesn't. As I've written elsewhere, I'm in the "Don't like the new camera" group. I'm slightly visually impaired, and the increased instability make it harder to use. At this point, given the new maps, camera, overlay, and scanners, I'm assuming that CCP only hires people with perfect corrected eyesight as UI devs. There is software to help with some accessibility issues, such as colour-blindness, but it is really hard to beat someone with the impairments actually using the UI.
Waegen Hoerford High Gate Cynn 0	Posted - 2016.06.01 04:29:12 - [67] - Quote I prefer the old camera. I just started using the new camera a couple of weeks ago (knowing the old one will be turned off soon), and have got use to it, but I still prefer the old camera. The main issue for me is; with the old camera you could click on a item in the overview or a bracket on screen and the camera would focus on that. I haven't used it, but the tracking button may do the same thing, but who has time to click on a button to change your view during combat? Also, the new camera was brought in as a trial - did CCP actually consult with users when they decided to make it a fixture and turn off the old camera? from the posts here it doesn't seem likely. I want to be playing EvE when I retire in 17 years time, but if CCP keep ignoring the player base like this, that's not likely either.
Rob Kashuken Dropbears Anonymous Friendly Probes 83	Posted - 2016.06.01 04:36:53 - [68] - Quote Question on the data/relic analyser combination thing - when CCP are in the process of running module tiericide to reduce the number of modules in the game, why introduce new modules that only come from drops, instead of merely merging the standard T1/T2 modules together?
Coyote Cross School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 2	Posted - 2016.06.01 04:46:41 - [69] - Quote Waegen Hoerford wrote: I prefer the old camera. I just started using the new camera a couple of weeks ago (knowing the old one will be turned off soon), and have got use to it, but I still prefer the old camera. The main issue for me is; with the old camera you could click on a item in the overview or a bracket on screen and the camera would focus on that. I haven't used it, but the tracking button may do the same thing, but who has time to click on a button to change your view during combat? Also, the new camera was brought in as a trial - did CCP actually consult with users when they decided to make it a fixture and turn off the old camera? from the posts here it doesn't seem likely. I want to be playing EvE when I retire in 17 years time, but if CCP keep ignoring the player base like this, that's not likely either. No worries mate. CCP is alienating their player base so there's always that other space game coming out. Thanks to CCP, I'll give it a try.
Ssabat Thraxx DUST Expeditionary Team Good Sax 1175	Posted - 2016.06.01 04:47:14 - [70] - Quote New camera is terrible. Please bring back the old camera. \m/ O.o \m/ "You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project
CJ 'Husky' Ulmarck Aliastra Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2016.06.01 06:03:18 - [71] - Quote Hopefully some useful feedback here instead of rage, but it seems the New Map may have had some issues in this release. Whenever I open the "Jumps in the last hour" setting it tells me [no label: UI/Map/ColorModeHandler/JumpsLastHour] I don't get this message for "number of pilots docked" or "ships destroyed in last 24 hours" however, so I don't think it is a problem with my client.
Crosi Wesdo War and Order 1922	Posted - 2016.06.01 07:57:14 - [72] - Quote CJ 'Husky' Ulmarck wrote: Hopefully some useful feedback here instead of rage, but it seems the New Map may have had some issues in this release. Whenever I open the "Jumps in the last hour" setting it tells me [no label: UI/Map/ColorModeHandler/JumpsLastHour] I don't get this message for "number of pilots docked" or "ships destroyed in last 24 hours" however, so I don't think it is a problem with my client. Wow, stop raging.
Erebus 'TheChin' Sundance Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2016.06.01 08:39:04 - [73] - Quote Thanks for adding a pan ability in first person mode, I have been requesting this since it was introduced. I'm glad to see you finally added the right click pan ability to the other modes, the zoom is not as far now, please extend it. There are other issues with the new camera, but most of this thread is dealing with those... +1 for adding a on/off toggle for pressing 'c' to track. +1 for a slider for camera speed. +1 for up/down speed to match left/right speed. +1 for night vision and thermal modes. +1 for hot pants. Also, your patch notes did say we were going to get the upwell apparel, now they don't... however the eve updates for 118.5 does still suggest they will be included. http://updates.eveonline.com/?_ga=1.13267447.17173401.1463057466 Quote: "Upwell Consortium Prizes After the successful marketing of their new breed of structures, the Upwell Consortium is now happy to release branded apparel as rewards for those who took the time to support the recovery of research components from the Serpentis Corporation in January YC118. This apparel will be deployed with the 118.5 release to all pilots who are eligible for the rewards."
Little Fawn Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2016.06.01 09:06:47 - [74] - Quote "Align with camera" for using D-scan with the solar system map is broken. When you move the camera and release the mouse button, the camera jumps randomly to another angle.
Killer NenYim Black Scorpions Inc Infensus 7	Posted - 2016.06.01 09:38:57 - [75] - Quote the new camera is unintuitive, and horrible to use in general, please give me the old one back
helana Tsero Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 513	Posted - 2016.06.01 09:45:14 - [76] - Quote Little Fawn wrote: "Align with camera" for using D-scan with the solar system map is broken. When you move the camera and release the mouse button, the camera jumps randomly to another angle. Can confirm this. Dscan is broken using the solar system map. Align with camera, using the radial menu to dscan a anomaly all randomly break. You can tell its broken because as the quoted posted stated the camera randomly moves to another angle. "... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where eve is placed... not in cave..." \| zoonr-Korsairs \| QFT !
Darth Nenny Black Scorpions Inc Infensus 3	Posted - 2016.06.01 09:47:01 - [77] - Quote after updating my client today, i just spent a good 10 min trying to get the new camera to work.... let me point out that im yet to work out how to zoom out slowly so i don't feel sick in my guts, and that the overall experience have been CRAP! please give the option to use old camera as this one is just total BS. as it makes me feel quite ill from playing. its highly possible ill just quit as i play for fun, not play to get sick...
Rainbow Child The North Capsuleers The North is Coming 0	Posted - 2016.06.01 10:04:41 - [78] - Quote As many others that wrote about camera ... please give us option to use old one or new ... or just erase new from game - maybe that camera is attractive to new not familiar with eve players only. It is not about players habit but functionality. Fighting 1vs x players now it is a nightmare! The most horrible scenario now for me is a situation where the old map will be out of game. Please dont do that! I know it is so shiny and pretty but it will not cook me a dinner! :D I would kick her but from my apartment if she will be unable to scan a signature properly and fast ;). In such scenario going to play farmville instead of EVE would be a great option :D
Darkblad 557	Posted - 2016.06.01 10:41:18 - [79] - Quote CJ 'Husky' Ulmarck wrote: Hopefully some useful feedback here instead of rage, but it seems the New Map may have had some issues in this release. Whenever I open the "Jumps in the last hour" setting it tells me [no label: UI/Map/ColorModeHandler/JumpsLastHour] I don't get this message for "number of pilots docked" or "ships destroyed in last 24 hours" however, so I don't think it is a problem with my client. The message is just missing for all clients and that issue was already present before the 118.5 update/release/whatever. Notice the absence of the JumpsLastHour label here I did'nt check too thorougly but it appears like this has probably been the case since the new map got introduced. NPE-ISD-Übersetzt!
Darkblad 558	Posted - 2016.06.01 11:22:11 - [80] - Quote Darkblad wrote: CJ 'Husky' Ulmarck wrote: Hopefully some useful feedback here instead of rage, but it seems the New Map may have had some issues in this release. Whenever I open the "Jumps in the last hour" setting it tells me [no label: UI/Map/ColorModeHandler/JumpsLastHour] I don't get this message for "number of pilots docked" or "ships destroyed in last 24 hours" however, so I don't think it is a problem with my client. The message is just missing for all clients and that issue was already present before the 118.5 update/release/whatever. Notice the absence of the JumpsLastHour label here I did'nt check too thorougly but it appears like this has probably been the case since the new map got introduced. EDIT: 2 hits while seaching for "jumpsLastHour" in files I have archived for localization_fsd_main up to sisi, 21st of March 2016 ID: 234211 Path: UI/Map/StarModeHandler Label: jumpsLastHour That's for the old map and still the ID 234211 points to "Jumps: {[numeric]count, decimalPlaces=0}" For the new map, however ID: 505579 Path: UI/Map/ColorModeHandler Label: JumpsLastHour no longer exists since localization_fsd_main from sisi, 2nd of April That ID 505579 now points to "Edit Vulnerability Schedule" NPE-ISD-Übersetzt!
CJ 'Husky' Ulmarck Aliastra Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2016.06.01 11:25:39 - [81] - Quote Darkblad wrote: CJ 'Husky' Ulmarck wrote: Hopefully some useful feedback here instead of rage, but it seems the New Map may have had some issues in this release. Whenever I open the "Jumps in the last hour" setting it tells me [no label: UI/Map/ColorModeHandler/JumpsLastHour] I don't get this message for "number of pilots docked" or "ships destroyed in last 24 hours" however, so I don't think it is a problem with my client. The message is just missing for all clients and that issue was already present before the 118.5 update/release/whatever. Notice the absence of the JumpsLastHour label here I did'nt check too thorougly but it appears like this has probably been the case since the new map got introduced. I have been using the new map for months and just now ran into this issue. It's my go-to tool for exploration and I regularly used it to check how active systems were.
Darkblad 559	Posted - 2016.06.01 11:40:05 - [82] - Quote CJ 'Husky' Ulmarck wrote: [quote=Darkblad]I have been using the new map for months and just now ran into this issue. It's my go-to tool for exploration and I regularly used it to check how active systems were. That's very likely. I did take a closer look at changes of the above file for TQ. before yesterday's update, the last change happened for TQ on the 19th of April and there both labels still were present. Obviously, this breaking feature hit Tanquility just yesterday, while it was present on Sisi since 2nd of April NPE-ISD-Übersetzt!
Sola Atruin Mutant Space Kittens 12	Posted - 2016.06.01 12:21:25 - [83] - Quote Little Fawn wrote: "Align with camera" for using D-scan with the solar system map is broken. When you move the camera and release the mouse button, the camera jumps randomly to another angle. +1 #CCPlz fix
Cylon Cromwell Highland Industries 5	Posted - 2016.06.01 13:15:00 - [84] - Quote i cant stress enough how much i hate the new camera apart from not having custom tracking positions and having a nauseating moving speed, when i look at an object (alt+click to make the camera orbit that object), for some reason, the camera starts moving around i want to look at an object from an angle, and the camera just keeps moving away on its own, makes me fight against it i hate it every game, when the camera is working against you, and i hate it in this game
Flock Master Caldari Provisions Caldari State 2	Posted - 2016.06.01 14:04:23 - [85] - Quote None of my accounts have been given their Upwell Consortium executive clothing rewards. Did you guys delay the rollout of the rewards??
Sola Atruin Mutant Space Kittens 12	Posted - 2016.06.01 14:20:07 - [86] - Quote On the new camera: If a specific object is selected on overview, the overview window is focused and the D-Scan keybind is activated, the camera pans automatically to that object, even if I just want to make a normal 360 degree d-scan. That is annoying. A simple fix would possibly be "press and hold D-Scan keybind + subsequently click an item on overview" to d-scan that specific item. Also, the Angle should be automatically switch to 5 or 15 degree, ideally customizable. Also, there should be a mouse-wheel modifier for D-Scan Angle and Range (keybind + mouse wheel). D-scan ranges should have a finer resolution. Best regards, Sola Atruin
Darkblad 559	Posted - 2016.06.01 15:57:49 - [87] - Quote Darkblad wrote: That ID 505579 now points to "Edit Vulnerability Schedule" One more thing. NPE-ISD-Übersetzt!
Market Alt Dodixie School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1	Posted - 2016.06.01 16:23:06 - [88] - Quote CCP, please stop fixing things that the player base is pleased with. Do away with the camera, or make it an option if you must. I will be cancelling my subs until the camera has been reverted to 2015 specs.
Aves Asio 16	Posted - 2016.06.01 16:33:32 - [89] - Quote Devs please respond. Are you working on implementing all the features of the old camera in to the new one?
Lfod Shi Lfod's Ratting and Salvage 347	Posted - 2016.06.01 16:36:26 - [90] - Quote Aves Asio wrote: Devs please respond. Are you working on implementing all the features of the old camera in to the new one? Their silence on this matter has been deafening. GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½

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