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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.05.31 09:57:55 -
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The May release 118.5 has been deployed on May 31 during an extended downtime. Please use this thread for general feedback and discussions.
This release brings a large amount of bug fixes and improvements, as well as new Multi-Use Analyzers, and Upwell Consortium executive clothing rewards for those who took part in the event surrounding the construction of the first Astrahus class citadel. Additionally we see improvements of the new camera, the retirement of the old camera, many smaller, yet valuable enhancements.
The full details of all changes and improvements are available in the patch notes.
Please report issues with the release on the PC in the May release 118.5 - Issues thread.
For Mac users, there is, as always, a thread on the Mac forums for discussion of this expansion.
CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer - Volunteer Manager
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1892
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Posted - 2016.05.31 11:26:20 -
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The new camera is terrible for me on a fundamental level.
I fly a lot of fast ships. I engage large gangs and need to have situational awareness.
The new camera makes that harder because it takes twice as much mouse movement to look up and down as it does to look left and right.
REMEMBER, CAMERA IS HOW YOU CONTROL YOU SPACESUBMARINE.
This means, if i need to change direction fast, that to go from looking straight up to looking straight down, i have to let go of the LMB, reset my mouse position and carry on half way through to continue with moving the camera from one extreme to the other. This means more time and effort to do what should be the most straight forward thing in any game.
Also, the zoom is too fast for my ratchet-less mouse a setting to control the speed of the zoom and its 'stiffness' would be helpful.
The new camera is so close to being as straight forward as the old camera;
Make panning up and down the same speed as panning left and right.
Give options to zoom speed and 'stiffness'.
Without these options, it just feels like im fighting the game to do things that used to be easy. |
Aves Asio
10
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Posted - 2016.05.31 11:35:05 -
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I refuse to use the new camera until all the features of the old camera are integrated.
o7 |
Atiko Eyrou
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.31 11:40:01 -
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Aves Asio wrote:I refuse to use the new camera until all the features of the old camera are integrated.
o7
I cannot agree more. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
336
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Posted - 2016.05.31 11:44:13 -
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New cam still makes me queasy. Literally. All boxes unchecked.
GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1893
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Posted - 2016.05.31 11:44:50 -
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The least CCP could do for me is to say "We actually WANT it to be 2x more effort to look up and down as it is to look left and right" so i can stop whining about it. |
JxC Lyc
Interstellar Construct Union
4
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Posted - 2016.05.31 11:52:20 -
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after logging in after todays patch i don't see Upwell Consortium executive clothing rewards for those who took part in the event on any of my accounts |
Solara Satari
Mechanix Inc.
0
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Posted - 2016.05.31 11:54:58 -
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Wow you still havent fixed the sensor overlay bug! Might as well call it a new feature by now...
(im talking about the bug where whenever you use the system map to probe down a sig and then exit the map, all anoms, sigs and bookmarks disappear from the overlay and you have to make a session change in order to get it all back) |
Touretes
Royal Amarr Transportation
Serrice Council.
2
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Posted - 2016.05.31 12:09:05 -
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Plain and simple,,the new camera SUCKS. Please bring the old style back this new one sucked at testing and still sucks now want it gone please :( |
Cylon Cromwell
Highland Industries
0
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Posted - 2016.05.31 12:35:31 -
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the new camera has some merits, like the first person and the tactical camera, really helps with the immersion, BUT why is the old camera not an option anymore??????
why cant i decide which one i want to use, like with the map and the scanner? the old camera is too much to handle??
i'm only posting this because as far as i know, the new camera does not have CUSTOM TRACKING POSITION, and it tracks the selected object dead center, usually behind my ship and i cant see it
i have to use dynamic offset, which is too much offset for my liking, it puts my ship out of view
i want to see my ship and my target at the same time, is that too much to ask??
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.05.31 12:47:53 -
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Yeah, space looks like it get rid of bad hardware for nebula generation or something. No artifacts. So much smoothness in visuals now. 
And the pan is back. \o/
Even first person perspective got pan. 
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Planetary Interaction 2.1
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Henderson SinnerGhost
WHITE WOLFE INTERPRISES
0
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Posted - 2016.05.31 13:07:18 -
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Hey all,
If you uncheck all the Camera Setting with no check marks in each box. Its pretty much is same as the old camera we use to have.
no more sick ness |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1895
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Posted - 2016.05.31 13:10:35 -
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Henderson SinnerGhost wrote:Hey all,
If you uncheck all the Camera Setting with no check marks in each box. Its pretty much is same as the old camera we use to have.
no more sick ness
Where is the checkbox that makes panning up and down the same speed as panning left and right? |
RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
Straw Hat Legion
40
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Posted - 2016.05.31 13:18:46 -
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ok so a fev days before the end of that deadline i went and donated 10 of those disks to the upwell consortiumagent because i wanted to get that outfit, i havent gotten it, am i missing somehting or did you guys just forget to give me the suit? |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
11373
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Posted - 2016.05.31 13:20:42 -
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There is one issue with field of zoom in orbit camera. Alt+zoom works, but camera does not remember the settings anymore, you have to constantly alt+zoom if you want to have field of zoom like you want. Annoying. 
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Planetary Interaction 2.1
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Sola Atruin
Mutant Space Kittens
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Posted - 2016.05.31 13:30:21 -
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New Camera:
a.) Dynamic Center Offset + Auto Tracking enabled
As soon as I have "Auto Tracking" and "Dynamic Center Offset" enabled, the tracking position has to return to the center first, before I'm able to move the camera free again. That causes a really weird and uncomfortable delay, it almost feels as if the camera sticks for a moment. It is not possible to go from tracking to free look in one floating movement.
I don't like to have my target obstructed by my ship, but I liked the old "Custom Tracking Position" more.
b.) "Auto Tracking" panning speed
Please at a slider to customize how fast the camera pans to a new object. Right now it is too fast for my taste.
I like the new Track + D-Scan feature, but the old camera was better. You should not have removed the old one before the new one works exactly as the old one.
People are very sensitive about things like that. Even more in EvE, because this game is already an UI train wreck of biblical proportions.
Best Regards,
Sola Atruin |
Mesacc
New Big Dog Mining
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Posted - 2016.05.31 13:50:31 -
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Need ability to set custom tracking position and tracking snap speed. As is, whatever I track is blocked by my ship because tracking position is locked to center of screen and camera turns at breakneck speed. Old cam allowed tracking position to be placed anywhere on screen and the camera turned toward target nice and smooth. You have until my monthly sub comes up to either add these features or bring back the old cam because i will not be playing (or paying) like this. |
Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima
Astromechanica Federatis
89
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Posted - 2016.05.31 13:55:13 -
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Either
1) Give the old camera back
or
2) Fix the new camera like this:
a) Make the horizontal and vertical look speed values identical
b) Add a Zoom speed slider
c) Remove the inertia when zooming
d) Remove bobbing when the option is disabled
e) Get the old max zoom back
Because right now, you're ******* up your game. The loss of choice in char skin tone and in UI was slightly annoying. The new UI and overview icons are irritating. This is plainly stupid. |
Slayed
X.U.
Outnumbered.
4
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Posted - 2016.05.31 13:57:08 -
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Why on earth did you disable the old camera ? Bring back the old camera now! NOW! I have tolerated all the damn changes you have dont but this is flipping bullPoop! |
ShadowWeaver Trensari
Mass HaVoK
KAOS Unlimited
4
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Posted - 2016.05.31 14:05:12 -
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Can we ever get new alliance crests uploaded? Whats the point in taking all the time to train for alliance and corp if you can't the full function to show off your alliance crest which was approved 2 months ago? |
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Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
337
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Posted - 2016.05.31 14:09:35 -
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Henderson SinnerGhost wrote:Hey all,
If you uncheck all the Camera Setting with no check marks in each box. Its pretty much is same as the old camera we use to have.
no more sick ness
Not for me it isn't. Seasick no matter what. Just now recovering from 8 jumps an hour ago. Not even combat. Just jumps. Kind of a total and complete deal breaker.
GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½
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Hamasaki Cross
Scumbag Logistics INC PTY LTD
Tactical Supremacy
11
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Posted - 2016.05.31 14:12:22 -
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My 24 accounts are gone until Old Camera is put back in game.
For all the bullshit that you put ingame to attract new players, you sure do a great job pushing away old ones.
::Slow Clap:: for CCP. |
Pritovsky Pootis
Eschelon Directive
32
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Posted - 2016.05.31 14:26:48 -
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Honestly, I get how the old camera is classed as old tech with spaghetti coding and that you'd want to get rid of it, but why would you remove it when the new camera still doesn't do everything the old camera did, and is still sometimes worse?
The main issues I have with it are:
.Vertical look speed being twice as slow as horizontal for no reason, as people have said time and time again.
.Having to press and hold C for tracking camera. Why was the toggle feature removed? Why do I have to press it every time?
.Right click and mouse forward zooms the camera out rather than in, as it used to do with the old camera. Inverting the zoom direction fixes this, but also makes it so that LMB+RMB and mouse forwards zooms out. Is there a way to revert this or add an option?
.Maximum zoom with the right mouse "freelook" is way less than it used to be. Is there any chance of getting this increased?
A quote from the patchlog sums it all up really well actually: "The functionality to change the field-of-view zoom with CTRL+mouse wheel has been removed"
Why remove functionality at all? There might only be a few times where you'd want to change the field of view for example, but removing just the option of it really just for the sake of it makes no sense to me. |
Avelerris
Bound And Determined
4
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Posted - 2016.05.31 15:34:25 -
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Officially done with EVE Online until this camera crap is either undone, fixed, or the option for the old one is added back. 4 times now my computer has bluescreened because of this "fix" for something that wasn't broken. There was little to no point of adding FoV to the main camera. First person view is absolutely pointless in a game like EVE where you will never face your opponent. The only thing you will see is space spinning around because you're orbiting your target. Not to mention it's not even immersive because capsuleers don't sit in a cockpit so a REAL first person view would be a blurry glass wall 5 inches from our face. This isn't even 10% of the complaints I have for this camera change, but I'm keeping it under wraps.
I've put up with your fixes to things that didn't need to be fixed for too long but this is officially game breaking and I won't personally tolerate it. Say goodbye to a 7 year customer CCP. Hope the projected new subs for 2016 are worth the veterans who lay the foundation for your game that you've lost over this kind of crap. |
Oraac Ensor
703
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Posted - 2016.05.31 15:38:26 -
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Henderson SinnerGhost wrote:Hey all,
If you uncheck all the Camera Setting with no check marks in each box. Its pretty much is same as the old camera we use to have.
Nope - not on my screen. |
Rhazjin
Mind Collapse
Sanity is for the Weak
4
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Posted - 2016.05.31 15:45:10 -
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The new camera sucks. I didn't want to use it when it was experimental, and I sure as hell don't want to use it now. Remove it or give us the option of going back to the old one. Why? Because the new camera can cause client crashes after so many jumps through gates. Have also had reports of crashes when people warp into pos that have a lot of mods up. Furthermore, before you get ahead of yourselves, the new scan window sucks too. DONT MAKE IT MANDATORY. Another main complaint is. .5 style updates are just that....half-finished and half-assed. When you pull this crap, the player base is never amused. Perhaps release WHOLE updates? I'm pretty sure the eve community wants complete, and stable updates....not whatever you have been tossing at us. OH! one more thing..... in the future, when you automatically enable experimental features after updates to "force" people to try new features....that isn't a popular move either.
xoxo
get a clue. |
Pritovsky Pootis
Eschelon Directive
36
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Posted - 2016.05.31 16:00:23 -
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Another issue I've discovered after trying to catch people in WH space is that as there is no toggle for the tracking camera anymore, it makes it frustratingly difficult to go down the list of planets on the overview to dscan (tracking onto each planet) as you have to press C and then click the planet each time, whereas before you only had to click on the planet. Can we please get the toggle tracking camera back? This issue was brought up before in the feedback thread, only to be ignored there too. Now that you have forced this new camera onto us at least make it as good as the old one! |
Vapis Bikker
FUITA
The Bastard Cartel
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Posted - 2016.05.31 16:14:14 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:
Additionally we see improvements of the new camera, the retirement of the old camera, many smaller, yet valuable enhancements.
Improvements? That's what you guys are calling it? Since you guys seem to be DEAF to this one very particular point, let me me just say it again.
The new camera SUCKS BALLS!
Right-click pan has been introduced? take it back, it sucks balls too.
Maybe the next comment will be positive but I kinda doubt it.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1901
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Posted - 2016.05.31 16:35:50 -
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"Oh, you dont want a new camera and have never complained how the old camera works? Well, heres a new one where panning x and y are at different rates and the zoom speed goes from 'stuck in mud' to '**** of a shovel' for no obvious reason"
"Oh, you dont want a new map?, well heres one with about 1/5th the functionality and that has no relationship to the overview like the old one which makes it harder to orient yourself, and an added bonus that it has its own window because 95% of players complain that they have too much of their screens not covered in windows"
"Oh, you dont want a new dscan window? Well, heres one we giving you anyway, with all the buttons moved around for no apparent reason"
"Oh, you want a right click panning/zooming option do you? Well, well give you one but make it so that the zoom is reversed because we have nothing but spite for having to do things you asked for, so we will do them badly"
-CCP 2016. |
Little Fawn
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2016.05.31 17:00:05 -
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If I click on space and move my mouse in a circle, the camera should move in a circle. This is very basic stuff. Please fix. |
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