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Khalia Tho'relia
UoC NightWing The Bastion
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Posted - 2016.05.31 17:02:23 -
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When is CCP going to fix the problems with the T2 ice reprocessing rigs? I am getting tired of resetting them every single day... |
Harlei Quinn
Valhallas Gates Investment Not Yet Critical
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Posted - 2016.05.31 17:06:53 -
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forced new camera = the new irritating feature. From the people who brought you the BONG! BONG! BONG! sound. Seriously guys....do I have to draw another picture? Change the camera back to the old one. Thanks cupcake. |
Viceran Phaedra
Instar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2016.05.31 17:27:05 -
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Just a small thing I noticed that hasn't been mentioned yet; the Ninazu Valimor Legacy SKIN (Permanent) has the incorrect ship pictured in the NES.
Also, FYI all, just confirming that both the new Seabeast SKINs and Upwell clothing items were removed from the patch notes, so I think CCP knows about those. I'm guessing we'll be getting them... later?
Chief Executive Officer
Instar Heavy Industries
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Malachir
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.05.31 17:55:21 -
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Why do you keep increasing the inertia on things? I don't use the new map as I have to wait all the time for the screen to stop zooming in or out, which is irritating, especially with the mouse ratchet off. Now you've put it on the new camera. Why? Not only does it lag on zoom, but also on turning, but at a different rate.
Has any developer ever played the game with these 'improvements' on the test server? I suspect not.
Stop breaking things that don't need to be broken. |
Daniel Ornulf
Grae Universe Enterprise EVIAN NATION
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Posted - 2016.05.31 18:12:01 -
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I hold both mouse buttons to zoom and right-click panning really messes this up, having to pay extra attention to pressing left before right now... |
half san
Overload This
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Posted - 2016.05.31 18:18:43 -
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I have big problem, when jump through wormhole, everything load on other side but i'am looking my ship in full zoom in, and i cant do anything on overview or in space, cant roll or zoom in or out.
Only thing what i can do is to click on orbit camera and back tactical camera, so i can move my ship in space.
Is it a bug or some new feature.
Thanks. |
Steve Atreides
Phoenix Interstellar Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.05.31 18:44:14 -
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Please Please Please bring back the old camera......I cannot stand the new camera, I do not like it one bit. When you first released it Itried it and did not get on with it and I DO NOT WANT IT.
The new camera makes me not want to play.
In case I wasnt clear let me say it again. Old camera rules, bring it back. New camera sucks the big fat one......Did you even run stats on who had disable the new camera. There would be your indication that you probabl;y should not have switched it off. The Old maps are still available so why mess with the camera.
PLEASE FIX IT! |
FleX0o
Unforeseen Consequences. Sicariorum
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Posted - 2016.05.31 18:44:50 -
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come on CCP tell me where u've hidden the "use old camera" button. This new one just doesnt work as good as the old one. The right-click zoom is totally **** now aswell... How else am i suppose to see where ships are aligning to from over 200km away..... properly.. also moving it up / down should be the same speed as left / right...
So CCP, give me my old camera drone back !!... plz!!! |
Bloph
Lamarr Industries Rock Ridge Alliance
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Posted - 2016.05.31 18:57:02 -
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Still not fixed the hanger bug (when docking & opening the station view - sometimes the hanger item view is closed sometimes it's open) introduced a few patches ago. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
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Posted - 2016.05.31 19:00:46 -
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From the locked GD thread
ISD Buldath wrote:Adapt and Overcome.
Also there are many guides out there on the Net that Help you make the new camera look almost exactly like the old one. Locked.
Where is the guide that tells me how to make vertical panning the same speed as horizontal panning????
Where is the guide to stop my zoom being both sluggish to start going on to uncontrollably fast on my ratchet-less scroll wheel mouse????
How on earth can you tell people to go look up a guide on how to make YOUR game camera work well, while at the same time thinking the new camera is in a fit state for release?
How about YOU make the camera work well by default, then other people might think the camera is a success.
Stop releasing bad / incomplete changes and then expecting the players to use their own duct tape. This is not a mechanic or balance change.
The term 'adapt and overcome' does not apply here. This is a change to the games primary input method for situational awareness and manual input and its clearly had more focus on polish than practicality. |
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Samantha Caldwell
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.31 19:43:33 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:From the locked GD thread ISD Buldath wrote:Adapt and Overcome.
Also there are many guides out there on the Net that Help you make the new camera look almost exactly like the old one. Locked. Really nice ISD you got there. Players don't like the new "Features"***Gäó? SHUT IT DOWN, DO NOT RESPOND, LOCK THE THREADS GO GO GO!
I'll toss my hat into the the not liking the new camera crowd, the tracking is just awful and it breaks every single time I jump through a star gate, it always has. Also what happened to custom tracking positions? Then there is the aforementioned problems with rotation speed being different depending on the axis and with the loss of variable FOV what is even the point anymore? Seriously, is it so hard to just make the new camera work exactly like the old one? This is just shift-click all over again. |
Ashlar Vellum
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
271
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Posted - 2016.05.31 20:04:35 -
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Eh, CCP you are your own worst enemy. Is there a slider for tracking camera panning speed, if there isn't one it would be nice to get one. (it's crazy fast right now)
btw why toggle auto tracking is in combat tab and all other camera shortcuts are in navigation tab? |
Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima Astromechanica Federatis
90
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Posted - 2016.05.31 20:12:15 -
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ISD Buldath wrote:Adapt and Overcome.
Also there are many guides out there on the Net that Help you make the new camera look almost exactly like the old one. Locked.
Learn to do your job properly. You're not the one to say if a feature works as intended or can be tweaked to fit the players' needs. |
Aves Asio
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Posted - 2016.05.31 20:18:29 -
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5 checkboxes and 2 sliders doesn't "make the new camera look almost exactly like the old one"
You gotta stop saying that because i'm not blind.
There were 2 feedback threads on the new camera and both of them had some good feedback from people pointing out the insufficiencies of the new camera , none of the issues pointed out in those threads were addressed even though the devs were posting "good feedback keep it coming" responses. |
Mesacc
New Big Dog Mining
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Posted - 2016.05.31 20:29:47 -
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2 accounts cancelled. "Adapt and overcome" that.
This is starting to feel familiar. Incarna anyone? |
Pritovsky Pootis
Eschelon Directive
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Posted - 2016.05.31 20:38:57 -
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Aves Asio wrote:5 checkboxes and 2 sliders doesn't "make the new camera look almost exactly like the old one"
You gotta stop saying that because i'm not blind.
There were 2 feedback threads on the new camera and both of them had some good feedback from people pointing out the insufficiencies of the new camera , none of the issues pointed out in those threads were addressed even though the devs were posting "good feedback keep it coming" responses.
You seem to be under the impression that negative feedback is never considered. Actually, it probably is considered, but just disregarded in a way that makes people mad. This is how it always works on each feedback thread:
So long as the majority of players don't complain or post negatively, someone somewhere makes the decision "hey look, most people are okay with this because only X number of people out of the total EVE population posted negatively, therefore let's not waste developer time and just post the whole 'good feedback keep it coming' messages to keep everyone else happy! Eventually they will stop posting and forget about it..."
Alternatively, it could be that improvements are on the way and not yet announced. That's always possible as well- testing going on with internal builds and such. I can understand not wanting to announce things that might not actually work out, "broken promises" and such. That would make people even more mad!
Happy to be proved wrong this time though! Can get fixes pls? |
Agfro Er
Secret Wormhole Authority Group
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Posted - 2016.05.31 20:41:54 -
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Dropped a billion on new ships and another billion in Citadel preparation / parts, went to work and spent all day looking forward to logging in today ..... oh CCP broke the camera again ..... oh there is no fix this time .....
Devs, the camera is integral to the game experience, why would you tamper with that sacred experience?
Please restore the option for the 'old' (true) camera. There seems to be overwhelming demand for the old camera and plenty of upset over the new camera. I invite the devs to continue to tweak and 'improve' on their new camera, but leave the old camera alone and available. |
Admiral Akbar it'satrap
Licence To Kill Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2016.05.31 20:55:39 -
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I very seldom log on and post on these forums but I had to say my piece. The new camera is bad. It is hard to explain, but apparently I'm not the only one that dislikes it. Please bring back the old camera setting. |
Svipi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.05.31 21:17:55 -
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Everybody happy? Good! Thread Locked- |
Ollyander
Caliburn Ghast
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Posted - 2016.05.31 21:46:55 -
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Like almost every single other player, I hate the new camera. Would appreciate being give the option of continuing to use the old one, or at least being given an ETA on when we can expect to get the new, new camera. Ya know the one that is surprisingly similar to the old, actually usable camera.
Seriously, is it completely unusable? No. Does it suck balls? Yes. How could anyone at CCP think releasing this camera, now, is a good idea?
For the New New Camera, I would like it to be exactly like the old one. And then under settings and options, give us the ability to adjust things. |
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Sylvia Kildare
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.31 22:10:08 -
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Vapis Bikker wrote:Right-click pan has been introduced? take it back, it sucks balls too.
Re-introduced. The right-click drag/pan function was one of the main things I missed about the old camera, personally. Glad to finally have it on the new camera. It's a bit slower than the old one, but it works. Finally, looking around and then snapping back to look at your ship without having to reposition the camera around your ship... restored!
The way tracking worked with the old camera (and I don't mean the C vs. shift-C stuff) was better, and no amount of checkbox checking or unchecking seems to fix that, so I do hope they restore some of that functionality from the old camera going forward, as they have done now with the right-click drag/pan.
However, on the bright side, I love the ctrl-click+drag multi-targeting. Just wish there were options to exclude structure and/or wrecks for when you just want to target NPC/player ships.
In non-camera news (gasp)...
The patch seems to have removed the EM/thermal/kinetic/explosive icons above our ships' shield/armor/hull resists in the fitting window. Vets probably won't even notice (It took me awhile to realize what was missing), but newbies are gonna be confused. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
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Posted - 2016.05.31 22:10:50 -
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Here is a very short vid i made a couple weeks ago to complain about the new fixed camera detatching from ship on gate jump bug.
But it also shows how the zoom is on my ratchet-less scroll wheel mouse, and the speed of horizontal and vertical panning on the old camera to begin with, and on the new camera after.
This illustrates how ludicrously fast the zoom is on the new camera. And how relatively slow the vertical panning is on the new camera.
If you look at the performance of the old camera at the bigging of the vid, a trained eye can clearly see how sensible its settings are. You dont need a trained eye to see the defects of the vertical panning and ridiculous speed of zoom on the new camera tho |
Julius Lincinius
Discrete Holdings Ltd.
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Posted - 2016.05.31 22:36:41 -
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Khalia Tho'relia wrote:When is CCP going to fix the problems with the T2 ice reprocessing rigs? I am getting tired of resetting them every single day...
Please fix some of the citadel bugs. This is getting frustrating.
Please, let citadel owners see who is using the refining (Character names do not show up on the taxes) and allow them to set fees or access on compression. Right now if you make a citadel public, while you are paying for the fuel to keep the refining service online, other pilots can compress for free and don't need to actually use your citadel for refining.
I would also ask that you look at citadel timers for high sec and shorten them so people don't need to spend 2 weeks worth of war dec fees to kill them (it becomes difficult to justify spending 100 million isk for just a wreck marker and killmail plus a week of work). Either a one week should be sufficient to kill one, or wars should be lengthened by a day to accommodate the repair timers.. |
Alex Candelaire
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.31 22:41:46 -
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Adding my dislike of the new camera. What was the logic behind getting rid of the old one AND reducing functionality of the new one at the same time? I didn't mind skill injectors or NPC opportunities or jump fatigue but this is just ridiculous. |
Grape Sodapopz
Scumbag Logistics INC PTY LTD Tactical Supremacy
1
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Posted - 2016.05.31 23:35:34 -
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Screw this new Camera mess. Devs; You like to give your customers the finger and tell them to go shove it where the sun don't shine?
Me too. My cash going to another game. Buh byeeeeeee |
Snugglekins
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.05.31 23:38:21 -
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So we can keep the old map after umpteen years, but we get this ridiculously broken camera shoved down our throat with no opt out?
Well I've opted out of playing till this is fixed. |
Giran
Midgard Inc.
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Posted - 2016.05.31 23:40:27 -
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I'm with the anti-camera group. These changes aren't wanted/needed.
As has always been the case, if it's not broke, don't fix it. Huge thumbs down CCP. Major disappoint here. |
Coyote Cross
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.05.31 23:45:10 -
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Adapt and Overcome?
Nice big memorial day F you to the customers. Screw these camera changes. Two times more work for vertical movement? Unnatural orbit? How is this immersive? Get out of here CCP and take your gunny sergeant with you.
It's pretty clear that your customers (You know the assholes that pay you) aren't happy with these camera changes.
Give them an opt out button back! Just like all the other garbage changes no one likes but some millenial douchebag with a bean bag chair thought was a wonderful idea put into the game. Oh we want to replace stations with these junk citadels that can be blown up by anyone with relative EASE. That'll make null sec more fun. Woo woo |
Little Fawn
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.06.01 00:59:48 -
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Sylvia Kildare wrote:Vapis Bikker wrote:Right-click pan has been introduced? take it back, it sucks balls too. Re-introduced. The right-click drag/pan function was one of the main things I missed about the old camera, personally. Glad to finally have it on the new camera. It's a bit slower than the old one, but it works. Finally, looking around and then snapping back to look at your ship without having to reposition the camera around your ship... restored!
But have you noticed it moves with the mouse completely differently to left-click drag? It is much slower, and it is also equally sensitive in all directions.
Experiment: right click, hold, move mouse in a circle. Then left click, hold, and move in the same circle. Completely different results. |
Felix Shoen
Appetite 4 Destruction Appetite 4 Destruction.
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Posted - 2016.06.01 01:19:49 -
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When, just....WHEN will you listen to your customers and at least attempt to produce improvements/changes to this game that the customers (the ones who pay your salary) actually want? Some like the new camera. Most do not. For the past few months we have had the option of using either. This option has not cost you a thing to include in the game. You actually had to spend worker hours to REMOVE the option to use either camera. The fact that you now disabled the old camera even though many customers wanted it left in means you have not a clue how to run a service based company. The old adage "give the customer what he wants" is as true today as it was when the first person realized his business would grow by following it. Notice EVE is not growing. Maybe you should have a little talk with the programmers and put the old camera back in. That way, this customer does not go into an epileptic fit while trying to decloak a ship using a fast frigate. |
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