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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.05.31 09:57:55 -
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The May release 118.5 has been deployed on May 31 during an extended downtime. Please use this thread for general feedback and discussions.
This release brings a large amount of bug fixes and improvements, as well as new Multi-Use Analyzers, and Upwell Consortium executive clothing rewards for those who took part in the event surrounding the construction of the first Astrahus class citadel. Additionally we see improvements of the new camera, the retirement of the old camera, many smaller, yet valuable enhancements.
The full details of all changes and improvements are available in the patch notes.
Please report issues with the release on the PC in the May release 118.5 - Issues thread.
For Mac users, there is, as always, a thread on the Mac forums for discussion of this expansion.
CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer - Volunteer Manager
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1892
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Posted - 2016.05.31 11:26:20 -
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The new camera is terrible for me on a fundamental level.
I fly a lot of fast ships. I engage large gangs and need to have situational awareness.
The new camera makes that harder because it takes twice as much mouse movement to look up and down as it does to look left and right.
REMEMBER, CAMERA IS HOW YOU CONTROL YOU SPACESUBMARINE.
This means, if i need to change direction fast, that to go from looking straight up to looking straight down, i have to let go of the LMB, reset my mouse position and carry on half way through to continue with moving the camera from one extreme to the other. This means more time and effort to do what should be the most straight forward thing in any game.
Also, the zoom is too fast for my ratchet-less mouse a setting to control the speed of the zoom and its 'stiffness' would be helpful.
The new camera is so close to being as straight forward as the old camera;
Make panning up and down the same speed as panning left and right.
Give options to zoom speed and 'stiffness'.
Without these options, it just feels like im fighting the game to do things that used to be easy. |
Aves Asio
10
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Posted - 2016.05.31 11:35:05 -
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I refuse to use the new camera until all the features of the old camera are integrated.
o7 |
Atiko Eyrou
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2016.05.31 11:40:01 -
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Aves Asio wrote:I refuse to use the new camera until all the features of the old camera are integrated.
o7
I cannot agree more. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
336
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Posted - 2016.05.31 11:44:13 -
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New cam still makes me queasy. Literally. All boxes unchecked.
GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1893
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Posted - 2016.05.31 11:44:50 -
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The least CCP could do for me is to say "We actually WANT it to be 2x more effort to look up and down as it is to look left and right" so i can stop whining about it. |
JxC Lyc
Interstellar Construct Union
4
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Posted - 2016.05.31 11:52:20 -
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after logging in after todays patch i don't see Upwell Consortium executive clothing rewards for those who took part in the event on any of my accounts |
Solara Satari
Mechanix Inc.
0
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Posted - 2016.05.31 11:54:58 -
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Wow you still havent fixed the sensor overlay bug! Might as well call it a new feature by now...
(im talking about the bug where whenever you use the system map to probe down a sig and then exit the map, all anoms, sigs and bookmarks disappear from the overlay and you have to make a session change in order to get it all back) |
Touretes
Royal Amarr Transportation
Serrice Council.
2
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Posted - 2016.05.31 12:09:05 -
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Plain and simple,,the new camera SUCKS. Please bring the old style back this new one sucked at testing and still sucks now want it gone please :( |
Cylon Cromwell
Highland Industries
0
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Posted - 2016.05.31 12:35:31 -
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the new camera has some merits, like the first person and the tactical camera, really helps with the immersion, BUT why is the old camera not an option anymore??????
why cant i decide which one i want to use, like with the map and the scanner? the old camera is too much to handle??
i'm only posting this because as far as i know, the new camera does not have CUSTOM TRACKING POSITION, and it tracks the selected object dead center, usually behind my ship and i cant see it
i have to use dynamic offset, which is too much offset for my liking, it puts my ship out of view
i want to see my ship and my target at the same time, is that too much to ask??
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
11372
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Posted - 2016.05.31 12:47:53 -
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Yeah, space looks like it get rid of bad hardware for nebula generation or something. No artifacts. So much smoothness in visuals now. 
And the pan is back. \o/
Even first person perspective got pan. 
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Planetary Interaction 2.1
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Henderson SinnerGhost
WHITE WOLFE INTERPRISES
0
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Posted - 2016.05.31 13:07:18 -
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Hey all,
If you uncheck all the Camera Setting with no check marks in each box. Its pretty much is same as the old camera we use to have.
no more sick ness |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1895
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Posted - 2016.05.31 13:10:35 -
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Henderson SinnerGhost wrote:Hey all,
If you uncheck all the Camera Setting with no check marks in each box. Its pretty much is same as the old camera we use to have.
no more sick ness
Where is the checkbox that makes panning up and down the same speed as panning left and right? |
RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
Straw Hat Legion
40
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Posted - 2016.05.31 13:18:46 -
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ok so a fev days before the end of that deadline i went and donated 10 of those disks to the upwell consortiumagent because i wanted to get that outfit, i havent gotten it, am i missing somehting or did you guys just forget to give me the suit? |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
11373
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Posted - 2016.05.31 13:20:42 -
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There is one issue with field of zoom in orbit camera. Alt+zoom works, but camera does not remember the settings anymore, you have to constantly alt+zoom if you want to have field of zoom like you want. Annoying. 
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Planetary Interaction 2.1
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Sola Atruin
Mutant Space Kittens
8
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Posted - 2016.05.31 13:30:21 -
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New Camera:
a.) Dynamic Center Offset + Auto Tracking enabled
As soon as I have "Auto Tracking" and "Dynamic Center Offset" enabled, the tracking position has to return to the center first, before I'm able to move the camera free again. That causes a really weird and uncomfortable delay, it almost feels as if the camera sticks for a moment. It is not possible to go from tracking to free look in one floating movement.
I don't like to have my target obstructed by my ship, but I liked the old "Custom Tracking Position" more.
b.) "Auto Tracking" panning speed
Please at a slider to customize how fast the camera pans to a new object. Right now it is too fast for my taste.
I like the new Track + D-Scan feature, but the old camera was better. You should not have removed the old one before the new one works exactly as the old one.
People are very sensitive about things like that. Even more in EvE, because this game is already an UI train wreck of biblical proportions.
Best Regards,
Sola Atruin |
Mesacc
New Big Dog Mining
10
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Posted - 2016.05.31 13:50:31 -
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Need ability to set custom tracking position and tracking snap speed. As is, whatever I track is blocked by my ship because tracking position is locked to center of screen and camera turns at breakneck speed. Old cam allowed tracking position to be placed anywhere on screen and the camera turned toward target nice and smooth. You have until my monthly sub comes up to either add these features or bring back the old cam because i will not be playing (or paying) like this. |
Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima
Astromechanica Federatis
89
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Posted - 2016.05.31 13:55:13 -
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Either
1) Give the old camera back
or
2) Fix the new camera like this:
a) Make the horizontal and vertical look speed values identical
b) Add a Zoom speed slider
c) Remove the inertia when zooming
d) Remove bobbing when the option is disabled
e) Get the old max zoom back
Because right now, you're ******* up your game. The loss of choice in char skin tone and in UI was slightly annoying. The new UI and overview icons are irritating. This is plainly stupid. |
Slayed
X.U.
Outnumbered.
4
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Posted - 2016.05.31 13:57:08 -
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Why on earth did you disable the old camera ? Bring back the old camera now! NOW! I have tolerated all the damn changes you have dont but this is flipping bullPoop! |
ShadowWeaver Trensari
Mass HaVoK
KAOS Unlimited
4
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Posted - 2016.05.31 14:05:12 -
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Can we ever get new alliance crests uploaded? Whats the point in taking all the time to train for alliance and corp if you can't the full function to show off your alliance crest which was approved 2 months ago? |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
337
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Posted - 2016.05.31 14:09:35 -
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Henderson SinnerGhost wrote:Hey all,
If you uncheck all the Camera Setting with no check marks in each box. Its pretty much is same as the old camera we use to have.
no more sick ness
Not for me it isn't. Seasick no matter what. Just now recovering from 8 jumps an hour ago. Not even combat. Just jumps. Kind of a total and complete deal breaker.
GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½
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Hamasaki Cross
Scumbag Logistics INC PTY LTD
Tactical Supremacy
11
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Posted - 2016.05.31 14:12:22 -
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My 24 accounts are gone until Old Camera is put back in game.
For all the bullshit that you put ingame to attract new players, you sure do a great job pushing away old ones.
::Slow Clap:: for CCP. |
Pritovsky Pootis
Eschelon Directive
32
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Posted - 2016.05.31 14:26:48 -
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Honestly, I get how the old camera is classed as old tech with spaghetti coding and that you'd want to get rid of it, but why would you remove it when the new camera still doesn't do everything the old camera did, and is still sometimes worse?
The main issues I have with it are:
.Vertical look speed being twice as slow as horizontal for no reason, as people have said time and time again.
.Having to press and hold C for tracking camera. Why was the toggle feature removed? Why do I have to press it every time?
.Right click and mouse forward zooms the camera out rather than in, as it used to do with the old camera. Inverting the zoom direction fixes this, but also makes it so that LMB+RMB and mouse forwards zooms out. Is there a way to revert this or add an option?
.Maximum zoom with the right mouse "freelook" is way less than it used to be. Is there any chance of getting this increased?
A quote from the patchlog sums it all up really well actually: "The functionality to change the field-of-view zoom with CTRL+mouse wheel has been removed"
Why remove functionality at all? There might only be a few times where you'd want to change the field of view for example, but removing just the option of it really just for the sake of it makes no sense to me. |
Avelerris
Bound And Determined
4
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Posted - 2016.05.31 15:34:25 -
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Officially done with EVE Online until this camera crap is either undone, fixed, or the option for the old one is added back. 4 times now my computer has bluescreened because of this "fix" for something that wasn't broken. There was little to no point of adding FoV to the main camera. First person view is absolutely pointless in a game like EVE where you will never face your opponent. The only thing you will see is space spinning around because you're orbiting your target. Not to mention it's not even immersive because capsuleers don't sit in a cockpit so a REAL first person view would be a blurry glass wall 5 inches from our face. This isn't even 10% of the complaints I have for this camera change, but I'm keeping it under wraps.
I've put up with your fixes to things that didn't need to be fixed for too long but this is officially game breaking and I won't personally tolerate it. Say goodbye to a 7 year customer CCP. Hope the projected new subs for 2016 are worth the veterans who lay the foundation for your game that you've lost over this kind of crap. |
Oraac Ensor
703
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Posted - 2016.05.31 15:38:26 -
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Henderson SinnerGhost wrote:Hey all,
If you uncheck all the Camera Setting with no check marks in each box. Its pretty much is same as the old camera we use to have.
Nope - not on my screen. |
Rhazjin
Mind Collapse
Sanity is for the Weak
4
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Posted - 2016.05.31 15:45:10 -
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The new camera sucks. I didn't want to use it when it was experimental, and I sure as hell don't want to use it now. Remove it or give us the option of going back to the old one. Why? Because the new camera can cause client crashes after so many jumps through gates. Have also had reports of crashes when people warp into pos that have a lot of mods up. Furthermore, before you get ahead of yourselves, the new scan window sucks too. DONT MAKE IT MANDATORY. Another main complaint is. .5 style updates are just that....half-finished and half-assed. When you pull this crap, the player base is never amused. Perhaps release WHOLE updates? I'm pretty sure the eve community wants complete, and stable updates....not whatever you have been tossing at us. OH! one more thing..... in the future, when you automatically enable experimental features after updates to "force" people to try new features....that isn't a popular move either.
xoxo
get a clue. |
Pritovsky Pootis
Eschelon Directive
36
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Posted - 2016.05.31 16:00:23 -
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Another issue I've discovered after trying to catch people in WH space is that as there is no toggle for the tracking camera anymore, it makes it frustratingly difficult to go down the list of planets on the overview to dscan (tracking onto each planet) as you have to press C and then click the planet each time, whereas before you only had to click on the planet. Can we please get the toggle tracking camera back? This issue was brought up before in the feedback thread, only to be ignored there too. Now that you have forced this new camera onto us at least make it as good as the old one! |
Vapis Bikker
FUITA
The Bastard Cartel
1
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Posted - 2016.05.31 16:14:14 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:
Additionally we see improvements of the new camera, the retirement of the old camera, many smaller, yet valuable enhancements.
Improvements? That's what you guys are calling it? Since you guys seem to be DEAF to this one very particular point, let me me just say it again.
The new camera SUCKS BALLS!
Right-click pan has been introduced? take it back, it sucks balls too.
Maybe the next comment will be positive but I kinda doubt it.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1901
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Posted - 2016.05.31 16:35:50 -
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"Oh, you dont want a new camera and have never complained how the old camera works? Well, heres a new one where panning x and y are at different rates and the zoom speed goes from 'stuck in mud' to '**** of a shovel' for no obvious reason"
"Oh, you dont want a new map?, well heres one with about 1/5th the functionality and that has no relationship to the overview like the old one which makes it harder to orient yourself, and an added bonus that it has its own window because 95% of players complain that they have too much of their screens not covered in windows"
"Oh, you dont want a new dscan window? Well, heres one we giving you anyway, with all the buttons moved around for no apparent reason"
"Oh, you want a right click panning/zooming option do you? Well, well give you one but make it so that the zoom is reversed because we have nothing but spite for having to do things you asked for, so we will do them badly"
-CCP 2016. |
Little Fawn
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2016.05.31 17:00:05 -
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If I click on space and move my mouse in a circle, the camera should move in a circle. This is very basic stuff. Please fix. |
Khalia Tho'relia
UoC NightWing
The Bastion
0
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Posted - 2016.05.31 17:02:23 -
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When is CCP going to fix the problems with the T2 ice reprocessing rigs? I am getting tired of resetting them every single day... |
Harlei Quinn
Valhallas Gates Investment
Not Yet Critical
5
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Posted - 2016.05.31 17:06:53 -
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forced new camera = the new irritating feature. From the people who brought you the BONG! BONG! BONG! sound. Seriously guys....do I have to draw another picture? Change the camera back to the old one. Thanks cupcake. |
Viceran Phaedra
Instar Heavy Industries
74
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Posted - 2016.05.31 17:27:05 -
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Just a small thing I noticed that hasn't been mentioned yet; the Ninazu Valimor Legacy SKIN (Permanent) has the incorrect ship pictured in the NES.
Also, FYI all, just confirming that both the new Seabeast SKINs and Upwell clothing items were removed from the patch notes, so I think CCP knows about those. I'm guessing we'll be getting them... later?
Chief Executive Officer
Instar Heavy Industries
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Malachir
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2016.05.31 17:55:21 -
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Why do you keep increasing the inertia on things? I don't use the new map as I have to wait all the time for the screen to stop zooming in or out, which is irritating, especially with the mouse ratchet off. Now you've put it on the new camera. Why? Not only does it lag on zoom, but also on turning, but at a different rate.
Has any developer ever played the game with these 'improvements' on the test server? I suspect not.
Stop breaking things that don't need to be broken. |
Daniel Ornulf
Grae Universe Enterprise
EVIAN NATION
15
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Posted - 2016.05.31 18:12:01 -
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I hold both mouse buttons to zoom and right-click panning really messes this up, having to pay extra attention to pressing left before right now... |
half san
Overload This
8
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Posted - 2016.05.31 18:18:43 -
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I have big problem, when jump through wormhole, everything load on other side but i'am looking my ship in full zoom in, and i cant do anything on overview or in space, cant roll or zoom in or out.
Only thing what i can do is to click on orbit camera and back tactical camera, so i can move my ship in space.
Is it a bug or some new feature.
Thanks. |
Steve Atreides
Phoenix Interstellar Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2016.05.31 18:44:14 -
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Please Please Please bring back the old camera......I cannot stand the new camera, I do not like it one bit. When you first released it Itried it and did not get on with it and I DO NOT WANT IT.
The new camera makes me not want to play.
In case I wasnt clear let me say it again. Old camera rules, bring it back. New camera sucks the big fat one......Did you even run stats on who had disable the new camera. There would be your indication that you probabl;y should not have switched it off.
The Old maps are still available so why mess with the camera.
PLEASE FIX IT! |
FleX0o
Unforeseen Consequences.
Sicariorum
12
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Posted - 2016.05.31 18:44:50 -
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come on CCP tell me where u've hidden the "use old camera" button. This new one just doesnt work as good as the old one. The right-click zoom is totally **** now aswell... How else am i suppose to see where ships are aligning to from over 200km away..... properly..
also moving it up / down should be the same speed as left / right...
So CCP, give me my old camera drone back !!... plz!!! |
Bloph
Lamarr Industries
Rock Ridge Alliance
17
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Posted - 2016.05.31 18:57:02 -
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Still not fixed the hanger bug (when docking & opening the station view - sometimes the hanger item view is closed sometimes it's open) introduced a few patches ago. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1905
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Posted - 2016.05.31 19:00:46 -
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From the locked GD thread
ISD Buldath wrote:Adapt and Overcome.
Also there are many guides out there on the Net that Help you make the new camera look almost exactly like the old one. Locked.
Where is the guide that tells me how to make vertical panning the same speed as horizontal panning????
Where is the guide to stop my zoom being both sluggish to start going on to uncontrollably fast on my ratchet-less scroll wheel mouse????
How on earth can you tell people to go look up a guide on how to make YOUR game camera work well, while at the same time thinking the new camera is in a fit state for release?
How about YOU make the camera work well by default, then other people might think the camera is a success.
Stop releasing bad / incomplete changes and then expecting the players to use their own duct tape. This is not a mechanic or balance change.
The term 'adapt and overcome' does not apply here. This is a change to the games primary input method for situational awareness and manual input and its clearly had more focus on polish than practicality. |
Samantha Caldwell
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.05.31 19:43:33 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:From the locked GD thread ISD Buldath wrote:Adapt and Overcome.
Also there are many guides out there on the Net that Help you make the new camera look almost exactly like the old one. Locked.
Really nice ISD you got there.
Players don't like the new "Features"***Gäó?
SHUT IT DOWN, DO NOT RESPOND, LOCK THE THREADS GO GO GO!
I'll toss my hat into the the not liking the new camera crowd, the tracking is just awful and it breaks every single time I jump through a star gate, it always has. Also what happened to custom tracking positions? Then there is the aforementioned problems with rotation speed being different depending on the axis and with the loss of variable FOV what is even the point anymore?
Seriously, is it so hard to just make the new camera work exactly like the old one? This is just shift-click all over again. |
Ashlar Vellum
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
271
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Posted - 2016.05.31 20:04:35 -
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Eh, CCP you are your own worst enemy. Is there a slider for tracking camera panning speed, if there isn't one it would be nice to get one. (it's crazy fast right now)
btw
why toggle auto tracking is in combat tab and all other camera shortcuts are in navigation tab? |
Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima
Astromechanica Federatis
90
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Posted - 2016.05.31 20:12:15 -
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ISD Buldath wrote:Adapt and Overcome.
Also there are many guides out there on the Net that Help you make the new camera look almost exactly like the old one. Locked.
Learn to do your job properly. You're not the one to say if a feature works as intended or can be tweaked to fit the players' needs. |
Aves Asio
13
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Posted - 2016.05.31 20:18:29 -
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5 checkboxes and 2 sliders doesn't "make the new camera look almost exactly like the old one"
You gotta stop saying that because i'm not blind.
There were 2 feedback threads on the new camera and both of them had some good feedback from people pointing out the insufficiencies of the new camera , none of the issues pointed out in those threads were addressed even though the devs were posting "good feedback keep it coming" responses. |
Mesacc
New Big Dog Mining
11
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Posted - 2016.05.31 20:29:47 -
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2 accounts cancelled. "Adapt and overcome" that.
This is starting to feel familiar. Incarna anyone? |
Pritovsky Pootis
Eschelon Directive
40
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Posted - 2016.05.31 20:38:57 -
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Aves Asio wrote:5 checkboxes and 2 sliders doesn't "make the new camera look almost exactly like the old one"
You gotta stop saying that because i'm not blind.
There were 2 feedback threads on the new camera and both of them had some good feedback from people pointing out the insufficiencies of the new camera , none of the issues pointed out in those threads were addressed even though the devs were posting "good feedback keep it coming" responses.
You seem to be under the impression that negative feedback is never considered. Actually, it probably is considered, but just disregarded in a way that makes people mad. This is how it always works on each feedback thread:
So long as the majority of players don't complain or post negatively, someone somewhere makes the decision "hey look, most people are okay with this because only X number of people out of the total EVE population posted negatively, therefore let's not waste developer time and just post the whole 'good feedback keep it coming' messages to keep everyone else happy! Eventually they will stop posting and forget about it..."
Alternatively, it could be that improvements are on the way and not yet announced. That's always possible as well- testing going on with internal builds and such. I can understand not wanting to announce things that might not actually work out, "broken promises" and such. That would make people even more mad!
Happy to be proved wrong this time though! Can get fixes pls? |
Agfro Er
Secret Wormhole Authority Group
1
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Posted - 2016.05.31 20:41:54 -
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Dropped a billion on new ships and another billion in Citadel preparation / parts, went to work and spent all day looking forward to logging in today ..... oh CCP broke the camera again ..... oh there is no fix this time ..... 
Devs, the camera is integral to the game experience, why would you tamper with that sacred experience?
Please restore the option for the 'old' (true) camera. There seems to be overwhelming demand for the old camera and plenty of upset over the new camera. I invite the devs to continue to tweak and 'improve' on their new camera, but leave the old camera alone and available. |
Admiral Akbar it'satrap
Licence To Kill
Mercenary Coalition
16
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Posted - 2016.05.31 20:55:39 -
[48] - Quote
I very seldom log on and post on these forums but I had to say my piece. The new camera is bad. It is hard to explain, but apparently I'm not the only one that dislikes it. Please bring back the old camera setting. |
Svipi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2016.05.31 21:17:55 -
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Everybody happy?
Good!
Thread Locked- |
Ollyander
Caliburn Ghast
1
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Posted - 2016.05.31 21:46:55 -
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Like almost every single other player, I hate the new camera. Would appreciate being give the option of continuing to use the old one, or at least being given an ETA on when we can expect to get the new, new camera. Ya know the one that is surprisingly similar to the old, actually usable camera.
Seriously, is it completely unusable? No. Does it suck balls? Yes. How could anyone at CCP think releasing this camera, now, is a good idea?
For the New New Camera, I would like it to be exactly like the old one. And then under settings and options, give us the ability to adjust things. |
Sylvia Kildare
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2016.05.31 22:10:08 -
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Vapis Bikker wrote:Right-click pan has been introduced? take it back, it sucks balls too.
Re-introduced. The right-click drag/pan function was one of the main things I missed about the old camera, personally. Glad to finally have it on the new camera. It's a bit slower than the old one, but it works. Finally, looking around and then snapping back to look at your ship without having to reposition the camera around your ship... restored!
The way tracking worked with the old camera (and I don't mean the C vs. shift-C stuff) was better, and no amount of checkbox checking or unchecking seems to fix that, so I do hope they restore some of that functionality from the old camera going forward, as they have done now with the right-click drag/pan.
However, on the bright side, I love the ctrl-click+drag multi-targeting. Just wish there were options to exclude structure and/or wrecks for when you just want to target NPC/player ships.
In non-camera news (gasp)...
The patch seems to have removed the EM/thermal/kinetic/explosive icons above our ships' shield/armor/hull resists in the fitting window. Vets probably won't even notice (It took me awhile to realize what was missing), but newbies are gonna be confused. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1919
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Posted - 2016.05.31 22:10:50 -
[52] - Quote
Here is a very short vid i made a couple weeks ago to complain about the new fixed camera detatching from ship on gate jump bug.
But it also shows how the zoom is on my ratchet-less scroll wheel mouse, and the speed of horizontal and vertical panning on the old camera to begin with, and on the new camera after.
This illustrates how ludicrously fast the zoom is on the new camera. And how relatively slow the vertical panning is on the new camera.
If you look at the performance of the old camera at the bigging of the vid, a trained eye can clearly see how sensible its settings are. You dont need a trained eye to see the defects of the vertical panning and ridiculous speed of zoom on the new camera tho |
Julius Lincinius
Discrete Holdings Ltd.
4
|
Posted - 2016.05.31 22:36:41 -
[53] - Quote
Khalia Tho'relia wrote:When is CCP going to fix the problems with the T2 ice reprocessing rigs? I am getting tired of resetting them every single day...
Please fix some of the citadel bugs. This is getting frustrating.
Please, let citadel owners see who is using the refining (Character names do not show up on the taxes) and allow them to set fees or access on compression. Right now if you make a citadel public, while you are paying for the fuel to keep the refining service online, other pilots can compress for free and don't need to actually use your citadel for refining.
I would also ask that you look at citadel timers for high sec and shorten them so people don't need to spend 2 weeks worth of war dec fees to kill them (it becomes difficult to justify spending 100 million isk for just a wreck marker and killmail plus a week of work). Either a one week should be sufficient to kill one, or wars should be lengthened by a day to accommodate the repair timers.. |
Alex Candelaire
The Scope
Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2016.05.31 22:41:46 -
[54] - Quote
Adding my dislike of the new camera. What was the logic behind getting rid of the old one AND reducing functionality of the new one at the same time? I didn't mind skill injectors or NPC opportunities or jump fatigue but this is just ridiculous. |
Grape Sodapopz
Scumbag Logistics INC PTY LTD
Tactical Supremacy
1
|
Posted - 2016.05.31 23:35:34 -
[55] - Quote
Screw this new Camera mess.
Devs; You like to give your customers the finger and tell them to go shove it where the sun don't shine?
Me too. My cash going to another game. Buh byeeeeeee |
Snugglekins
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2016.05.31 23:38:21 -
[56] - Quote
So we can keep the old map after umpteen years, but we get this ridiculously broken camera shoved down our throat with no opt out?
Well I've opted out of playing till this is fixed. |
Giran
Midgard Inc.
0
|
Posted - 2016.05.31 23:40:27 -
[57] - Quote
I'm with the anti-camera group. These changes aren't wanted/needed.
As has always been the case, if it's not broke, don't fix it. Huge thumbs down CCP. Major disappoint here. |
Coyote Cross
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2016.05.31 23:45:10 -
[58] - Quote
Adapt and Overcome?
Nice big memorial day F you to the customers. Screw these camera changes. Two times more work for vertical movement? Unnatural orbit? How is this immersive? Get out of here CCP and take your gunny sergeant with you.
It's pretty clear that your customers (You know the assholes that pay you) aren't happy with these camera changes.
Give them an opt out button back! Just like all the other garbage changes no one likes but some millenial douchebag with a bean bag chair thought was a wonderful idea put into the game. Oh we want to replace stations with these junk citadels that can be blown up by anyone with relative EASE. That'll make null sec more fun. Woo woo |
Little Fawn
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
6
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 00:59:48 -
[59] - Quote
Sylvia Kildare wrote:Vapis Bikker wrote:Right-click pan has been introduced? take it back, it sucks balls too. Re-introduced. The right-click drag/pan function was one of the main things I missed about the old camera, personally. Glad to finally have it on the new camera. It's a bit slower than the old one, but it works. Finally, looking around and then snapping back to look at your ship without having to reposition the camera around your ship... restored!
But have you noticed it moves with the mouse completely differently to left-click drag? It is much slower, and it is also equally sensitive in all directions.
Experiment: right click, hold, move mouse in a circle. Then left click, hold, and move in the same circle. Completely different results. |
Felix Shoen
Appetite 4 Destruction
Appetite 4 Destruction.
2
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 01:19:49 -
[60] - Quote
When, just....WHEN will you listen to your customers and at least attempt to produce improvements/changes to this game that the customers (the ones who pay your salary) actually want? Some like the new camera. Most do not. For the past few months we have had the option of using either. This option has not cost you a thing to include in the game. You actually had to spend worker hours to REMOVE the option to use either camera. The fact that you now disabled the old camera even though many customers wanted it left in means you have not a clue how to run a service based company. The old adage "give the customer what he wants" is as true today as it was when the first person realized his business would grow by following it. Notice EVE is not growing. Maybe you should have a little talk with the programmers and put the old camera back in. That way, this customer does not go into an epileptic fit while trying to decloak a ship using a fast frigate. |
Mykale Kwijybow
I N F A M O U S
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 01:34:05 -
[61] - Quote
Another vote against the terrible new camera. I had it disabled the whole time it was an option and I will continue to avoid it at all costs. My biggest complaint is that it doesn't give the flexibility of the old camera. Why can't I just set the camera to track a target at whatever angle / position I want? If I can, why isn't the option easy to find in the camera UI like it used to be? These seem like basic requests that everyone wants, yet CCP continues to ignore everyone.
Ignoring your customer base leads to dissatisfied customers and ultimately a dying game ( *cough* World of Warcraft *cough* )
"Give a man a bullet and he'll want a gun. Give a man a gun and he'll give away bullets"
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1919
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 01:59:54 -
[62] - Quote
See, i WANT a new well programmed camera. I just want it to feel like the old camera, the camera that not a single person has ever complained about, then add as many OPTIONS on top of that as you want.
The way CCP has handled this smacks of amateurism. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
344
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 02:14:56 -
[63] - Quote
Meh. If CCP wants to force me out with their Nausea Cam then I'll give em what they want. Lived most of my life before I found internet space ships and I can live the rest the same way. "Adapt and overcome" indeed.
GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½
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Mikkhi Kisht
Vanity Thy Name Is
6
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 03:19:16 -
[64] - Quote
I didn't agree with the Overview Icon changes. But was willing to wait for the customizable set as we, the paying customer base was promised. (still not in place, but neither is the return of Region Description flavor text! two years....)
I don't use the new map for my scanning. Since it's all pretty but severely lacking in functionability.
I only tolerated this new camera since the deal was several of it's short points would be addressed and changed before it becoming the only option.
That did not happen. It's still shiny form over useful function with vertigo hiding for a chance to strike again.
So CCP. You want new players to stay in the game, not give up. In the meantime you do just about everything you can think of to push the vets out with unneeded, unwanted changes for shiny change sake. Who gets to each your R00kies then? How to play Eve, not just plunk down CC numbers for Plex, Aurum, to get at skill injectors? They'll have epic skills, to be sure.
With clue zero how to USE them.
For your sakes and ours, put the old camera back in, until you can iron out ALL the bugs, issues, lacks and complaints with this new shiny camera.
You knew this blowback was coming. That you did it anyways speaks volumes for how you view your 'bitter vets' customer base. You stick to your guns, I'll stick to mine. Game time only from me. I will not buy Plex, Aurum, and I will not use skill injectors on any of my accounts. After all you don't need all that extra income from little nobody me. You're practically minting cash between all the new players and the income glut from Valkyrie. Right....? |
Aristide BriandIII
Miners League of Exploration Coalition
Requiem Eternal
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 04:11:58 -
[65] - Quote
Hate to nitpic on the new camera. However, can you restore the 1st person HUD pitch and roll indicators. I find it easier to fly with those on. |
Dejara Thoris
Alea Iacta Est Universal
Blades of Grass
3
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 04:22:27 -
[66] - Quote
Somehow CCP managed to break the Skill Queue window for me in this release. I'm using my daily opportunities on a non-training alt and if I change its skill queue the game won't let me close the window, apply skill points, or just save the changes. I just get the "Please Buy Training" dialog, which when OK'd goes back to the unchanged skill queue. Before, if I pressed the "Apply" button, it would give me the dialog and save the changes, letting me do the other things. Now it doesn't.
As I've written elsewhere, I'm in the "Don't like the new camera" group. I'm slightly visually impaired, and the increased instability make it harder to use. At this point, given the new maps, camera, overlay, and scanners, I'm assuming that CCP only hires people with perfect corrected eyesight as UI devs. There is software to help with some accessibility issues, such as colour-blindness, but it is really hard to beat someone with the impairments actually using the UI.
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Waegen Hoerford
High Gate Cynn
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 04:29:12 -
[67] - Quote
I prefer the old camera. I just started using the new camera a couple of weeks ago (knowing the old one will be turned off soon), and have got use to it, but I still prefer the old camera. The main issue for me is; with the old camera you could click on a item in the overview or a bracket on screen and the camera would focus on that. I haven't used it, but the tracking button may do the same thing, but who has time to click on a button to change your view during combat? Also, the new camera was brought in as a trial - did CCP actually consult with users when they decided to make it a fixture and turn off the old camera? from the posts here it doesn't seem likely. I want to be playing EvE when I retire in 17 years time, but if CCP keep ignoring the player base like this, that's not likely either. |
Rob Kashuken
Dropbears Anonymous
Friendly Probes
83
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 04:36:53 -
[68] - Quote
Question on the data/relic analyser combination thing - when CCP are in the process of running module tiericide to reduce the number of modules in the game, why introduce new modules that only come from drops, instead of merely merging the standard T1/T2 modules together? |
Coyote Cross
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
2
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 04:46:41 -
[69] - Quote
Waegen Hoerford wrote:I prefer the old camera. I just started using the new camera a couple of weeks ago (knowing the old one will be turned off soon), and have got use to it, but I still prefer the old camera. The main issue for me is; with the old camera you could click on a item in the overview or a bracket on screen and the camera would focus on that. I haven't used it, but the tracking button may do the same thing, but who has time to click on a button to change your view during combat? Also, the new camera was brought in as a trial - did CCP actually consult with users when they decided to make it a fixture and turn off the old camera? from the posts here it doesn't seem likely. I want to be playing EvE when I retire in 17 years time, but if CCP keep ignoring the player base like this, that's not likely either.
No worries mate. CCP is alienating their player base so there's always that other space game coming out. Thanks to CCP, I'll give it a try. |
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
1175
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 04:47:14 -
[70] - Quote
New camera is terrible. Please bring back the old camera.
\m/ O.o \m/
"You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project
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CJ 'Husky' Ulmarck
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 06:03:18 -
[71] - Quote
Hopefully some useful feedback here instead of rage, but it seems the New Map may have had some issues in this release.
Whenever I open the "Jumps in the last hour" setting it tells me [no label: UI/Map/ColorModeHandler/JumpsLastHour]
I don't get this message for "number of pilots docked" or "ships destroyed in last 24 hours" however, so I don't think it is a problem with my client. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1922
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 07:57:14 -
[72] - Quote
CJ 'Husky' Ulmarck wrote:Hopefully some useful feedback here instead of rage, but it seems the New Map may have had some issues in this release.
Whenever I open the "Jumps in the last hour" setting it tells me [no label: UI/Map/ColorModeHandler/JumpsLastHour]
I don't get this message for "number of pilots docked" or "ships destroyed in last 24 hours" however, so I don't think it is a problem with my client.
Wow, stop raging. |
Erebus 'TheChin' Sundance
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
11
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 08:39:04 -
[73] - Quote
Thanks for adding a pan ability in first person mode, I have been requesting this since it was introduced.
I'm glad to see you finally added the right click pan ability to the other modes, the zoom is not as far now, please extend it.
There are other issues with the new camera, but most of this thread is dealing with those...
+1 for adding a on/off toggle for pressing 'c' to track.
+1 for a slider for camera speed.
+1 for up/down speed to match left/right speed.
+1 for night vision and thermal modes.
+1 for hot pants.
Also, your patch notes did say we were going to get the upwell apparel, now they don't... however the eve updates for 118.5 does still suggest they will be included.
http://updates.eveonline.com/?_ga=1.13267447.17173401.1463057466
Quote:"Upwell Consortium Prizes
After the successful marketing of their new breed of structures, the Upwell Consortium is now happy to release branded apparel as rewards for those who took the time to support the recovery of research components from the Serpentis Corporation in January YC118.
This apparel will be deployed with the 118.5 release to all pilots who are eligible for the rewards."
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Little Fawn
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
8
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 09:06:47 -
[74] - Quote
"Align with camera" for using D-scan with the solar system map is broken. When you move the camera and release the mouse button, the camera jumps randomly to another angle. |
Killer NenYim
Black Scorpions Inc
Infensus
7
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 09:38:57 -
[75] - Quote
the new camera is unintuitive, and horrible to use in general, please give me the old one back
|
helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
513
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 09:45:14 -
[76] - Quote
Little Fawn wrote:"Align with camera" for using D-scan with the solar system map is broken. When you move the camera and release the mouse button, the camera jumps randomly to another angle.
Can confirm this. Dscan is broken using the solar system map. Align with camera, using the radial menu to dscan a anomaly all randomly break. You can tell its broken because as the quoted posted stated the camera randomly moves to another angle.
"... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where eve is placed... not in cave..." | zoonr-Korsairs | QFT !
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Darth Nenny
Black Scorpions Inc
Infensus
3
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 09:47:01 -
[77] - Quote
after updating my client today, i just spent a good 10 min trying to get the new camera to work.... let me point out that im yet to work out how to zoom out slowly so i don't feel sick in my guts, and that the overall experience have been CRAP!
please give the option to use old camera as this one is just total BS. as it makes me feel quite ill from playing. its highly possible ill just quit as i play for fun, not play to get sick... |
Rainbow Child
The North Capsuleers
The North is Coming
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 10:04:41 -
[78] - Quote
As many others that wrote about camera ... please give us option to use old one or new ... or just erase new from game - maybe that camera is attractive to new not familiar with eve players only. It is not about players habit but functionality. Fighting 1vs x players now it is a nightmare!
The most horrible scenario now for me is a situation where the old map will be out of game. Please dont do that! I know it is so shiny and pretty but it will not cook me a dinner! :D I would kick her but from my apartment if she will be unable to scan a signature properly and fast ;). In such scenario going to play farmville instead of EVE would be a great option :D |
Darkblad
557
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 10:41:18 -
[79] - Quote
CJ 'Husky' Ulmarck wrote:Hopefully some useful feedback here instead of rage, but it seems the New Map may have had some issues in this release.
Whenever I open the "Jumps in the last hour" setting it tells me [no label: UI/Map/ColorModeHandler/JumpsLastHour]
I don't get this message for "number of pilots docked" or "ships destroyed in last 24 hours" however, so I don't think it is a problem with my client. The message is just missing for all clients and that issue was already present before the 118.5 update/release/whatever.
Notice the absence of the JumpsLastHour label here
I did'nt check too thorougly but it appears like this has probably been the case since the new map got introduced.
NPE-ISD-Übersetzt!
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Darkblad
558
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 11:22:11 -
[80] - Quote
Darkblad wrote:CJ 'Husky' Ulmarck wrote:Hopefully some useful feedback here instead of rage, but it seems the New Map may have had some issues in this release.
Whenever I open the "Jumps in the last hour" setting it tells me [no label: UI/Map/ColorModeHandler/JumpsLastHour]
I don't get this message for "number of pilots docked" or "ships destroyed in last 24 hours" however, so I don't think it is a problem with my client. The message is just missing for all clients and that issue was already present before the 118.5 update/release/whatever. Notice the absence of the JumpsLastHour label hereI did'nt check too thorougly but it appears like this has probably been the case since the new map got introduced.
EDIT:
2 hits while seaching for "jumpsLastHour" in files I have archived for localization_fsd_main up to sisi, 21st of March 2016
ID: 234211
Path: UI/Map/StarModeHandler
Label: jumpsLastHour
That's for the old map and still the ID 234211 points to "Jumps: {[numeric]count, decimalPlaces=0}"
For the new map, however
ID: 505579
Path: UI/Map/ColorModeHandler
Label: JumpsLastHour
no longer exists since localization_fsd_main from sisi, 2nd of April
That ID 505579 now points to "Edit Vulnerability Schedule"
NPE-ISD-Übersetzt!
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CJ 'Husky' Ulmarck
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 11:25:39 -
[81] - Quote
Darkblad wrote:CJ 'Husky' Ulmarck wrote:Hopefully some useful feedback here instead of rage, but it seems the New Map may have had some issues in this release.
Whenever I open the "Jumps in the last hour" setting it tells me [no label: UI/Map/ColorModeHandler/JumpsLastHour]
I don't get this message for "number of pilots docked" or "ships destroyed in last 24 hours" however, so I don't think it is a problem with my client. The message is just missing for all clients and that issue was already present before the 118.5 update/release/whatever. Notice the absence of the JumpsLastHour label hereI did'nt check too thorougly but it appears like this has probably been the case since the new map got introduced.
I have been using the new map for months and just now ran into this issue. It's my go-to tool for exploration and I regularly used it to check how active systems were. |
Darkblad
559
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 11:40:05 -
[82] - Quote
CJ 'Husky' Ulmarck wrote:[quote=Darkblad]I have been using the new map for months and just now ran into this issue. It's my go-to tool for exploration and I regularly used it to check how active systems were. That's very likely. I did take a closer look at changes of the above file for TQ. before yesterday's update, the last change happened for TQ on the 19th of April and there both labels still were present.
Obviously, this breaking feature hit Tanquility just yesterday, while it was present on Sisi since 2nd of April
NPE-ISD-Übersetzt!
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Sola Atruin
Mutant Space Kittens
12
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 12:21:25 -
[83] - Quote
Little Fawn wrote:"Align with camera" for using D-scan with the solar system map is broken. When you move the camera and release the mouse button, the camera jumps randomly to another angle.
+1
#CCPlz fix
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Cylon Cromwell
Highland Industries
5
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 13:15:00 -
[84] - Quote
i cant stress enough how much i hate the new camera
apart from not having custom tracking positions and having a nauseating moving speed, when i look at an object (alt+click to make the camera orbit that object), for some reason, the camera starts moving around
i want to look at an object from an angle, and the camera just keeps moving away on its own, makes me fight against it
i hate it every game, when the camera is working against you, and i hate it in this game  |
Flock Master
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
2
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 14:04:23 -
[85] - Quote
None of my accounts have been given their Upwell Consortium executive clothing rewards. Did you guys delay the rollout of the rewards??
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Sola Atruin
Mutant Space Kittens
12
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 14:20:07 -
[86] - Quote
On the new camera:
If a specific object is selected on overview, the overview window is focused and the D-Scan keybind is activated, the camera pans automatically to that object, even if I just want to make a normal 360 degree d-scan. That is annoying.
A simple fix would possibly be "press and hold D-Scan keybind + subsequently click an item on overview" to d-scan that specific item. Also, the Angle should be automatically switch to 5 or 15 degree, ideally customizable.
Also, there should be a mouse-wheel modifier for D-Scan Angle and Range (keybind + mouse wheel). D-scan ranges should have a finer resolution.
Best regards,
Sola Atruin |
Darkblad
559
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 15:57:49 -
[87] - Quote
Darkblad wrote:That ID 505579 now points to "Edit Vulnerability Schedule" One more thing. 
NPE-ISD-Übersetzt!
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Market Alt Dodixie
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 16:23:06 -
[88] - Quote
CCP, please stop fixing things that the player base is pleased with. Do away with the camera, or make it an option if you must. I will be cancelling my subs until the camera has been reverted to 2015 specs. |
Aves Asio
16
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 16:33:32 -
[89] - Quote
Devs please respond. Are you working on implementing all the features of the old camera in to the new one? |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
347
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 16:36:26 -
[90] - Quote
Aves Asio wrote:Devs please respond. Are you working on implementing all the features of the old camera in to the new one?
Their silence on this matter has been deafening.
GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½
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Funky Junk9
modro
I N F A M O U S
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 18:55:40 -
[91] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Make panning up and down the same speed as panning left and right.
Give options to zoom speed and 'stiffness'.
Without these options, it just feels like im fighting the game to do things that used to be easy.
^
this is a great idea |
Hans Eisenberg
2
|
Posted - 2016.06.01 19:40:41 -
[92] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote:Lots of sensible stuff.
+1
'nuff said. |
Amonios Zula
Aeon Ascendant
70
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 00:19:11 -
[93] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote:Make panning up and down the same speed as panning left and right.
Give options to zoom speed and 'stiffness'.
Without these options, it just feels like im fighting the game to do things that used to be easy.
Definitly This, right now its just irritating. |
The 1980s
Pudgy Friends Club
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 05:38:42 -
[94] - Quote
So far today the eve launcher has downloaded 100mb and the eve client has downloaded over 300mb and shows no signs of stopping. I get 15 gigs per month.
Does this patch accomplish anything other than just murdering my data cap for no reason whatsoever?
It would be really nice if CCP understood that data is not unlimited everywhere and there are real consequences for crapping out gigantic unoptimized patches with "features" nobody even likes in the first place. I could play eve yesterday. Today all i can do is watch the client hoover up all my data. No doubt in a month I am going to have hundreds more mb of my limited data sucked up when ccp "fixes" the camera they never properly designed in the first place.
Completely unacceptable.
Never once have I logged into eve and though "this game sure would be playable if the camera were totally different." It was perfectly fine when I first installed the game years ago. Surely there are better things to fix in this terrible game than something that wasn't even broken in the first place.
Strongly reconsidering whether i should continue to give money to this terrible company. But if they go out of business, their garbage tier employees will presumably be hired by other companies, and will presumably also break whatever they touch there. So maybe I should keep paying them out of a sense of moral obligation to the population at large. This is a real conundrum.
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Varren Dar'khel
Starforged Ascendancy
Order of the Exalted
50
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 06:41:39 -
[95] - Quote
The new camera is horrible, and yet again CCP completely fails at customer service with the removal of the old camera. Removing my option to disable what I consider a terrible camera is offensive and smacks of the kind of CCP arrogance that caused Incarnageddon.
You rarely seem to know what is best for this game and rarer still do you listen, your continual push with the New Camera, Beta Map, RPG style dailies, and removal of UI Color Customization is blatantly anti-player.
Quit forcing terrible design decisions on us. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1932
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 07:11:54 -
[96] - Quote
Varren Dar'khel wrote:The new camera is horrible, and yet again CCP completely fails at customer service with the removal of the old camera. Removing my option to disable what I consider a terrible camera is offensive and smacks of the kind of CCP arrogance that caused Incarnageddon.
You rarely seem to know what is best for this game and rarer still do you listen, your continual push with the New Camera, Beta Map, RPG style dailies, and removal of UI Color Customization is blatantly anti-player.
Quit forcing terrible design decisions on us.
They only seem to care about what eve 'looks' like, not what eve 'plays' like.
The new camera for example, may not trigger a huge backlash since incursion runners, market traiders, belt ratters and F1 monkies will barely tell the difference. they will take this as a sign of acceptance from the 'wider player base', without acknowledging that they just alienated a significant number of players.
When you are a game company, and your best expectation of delivery of service is 'to not **** TOO many people off', then you have set your standards VERY low indeed.
The new camera, on a fundamental level, for very simple reasons ive listed previously, quite inferior to the old camera. The fact that CCP seems happy with that is very worrying. |
Professor Frederick Johansen
Edge of Existence
12
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 08:23:32 -
[97] - Quote
I was not informed that the old camera was about to be removed before I subbed my accounts.
Now I am stuck with multiple accounts paid for a game that I can no longer play, because
A) My computer blows and constantly crashes now, and
B) Even if I COULD play Eve now, I no longer want to.
I want my money back. This was a forced update, that NOBODY wanted, or asked for, and has completely ruined the game for myself and many other people.
Until you give the old camera back, You are providing a game that none of your player-base want to play. You are giving the middle finger to people who have played, and loved, this game for many years
Until you give the old camera back, you should stop charging for this game, as it is now ****, and not worth the money I paid for it.
Oh, and I'm serious, I want my money back. |
Palgyr
Sveipar Industries
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 09:53:58 -
[98] - Quote
I got the feeling that my fps dropped noticeably when running 1 client.
As soon as I start a 2nd client, the game becomes unplayable because of the low fps.
Before the release I could run 3 clients at the same time and 60fps (each) without any problems.
Need to look up the exact fps for the situation now, but it's definitely less fps with a single client running -
and unplayable with more than 1 client running.
Not sure if I am the only one with that problem, but I haven't got these issues in another game, so I doubt it's my hardware that got damaged coincidentally at the same time. |
Rhazjin
Mind Collapse
Sanity is for the Weak
15
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 10:01:48 -
[99] - Quote
So I have figured it out. This all has to do with direct x. The last camera must have been based on dx9 and because using old tech that is stable and works...slows down the release of new "features"....the new camera had to be done away with so they could continue screwing this game up at light speed. Of course IGÇÖm just guessing because CCP does a ****-poor job or customer satisfaction, response to customer concerns, and being interested in anything other than swindling people out of their money. CCP out of the last 50 "updates" you have released......I liked 2? Maybe? ItGÇÖs really had to remember, because in between those two good updates are 48 others like this one......total crap. Long story short, FIRE CCP Vertex, FIRE team 5-0, and FIRE that lame weasel-faced bastard CCP phantom too. Reasons? Team 5-0 has ruined more fun moments than a childrenGÇÖs birthday clown with a drinking problem. Vertex is more interested in having new tech than having stable tech that works. Phantom......what the hell do they keep you around for.....moral support? Ugh. Break bad news to the customers? Then NEVER RESPOND? Tell ya what brother, respond to this thread in 24 hrs. and ill personally post you have a point in that company. Otherwise you seem to as useful as **** on a boar, and about as quick as a herd of turtles stampeding through peanut-butter. |
Galendil
THORN Syndicate
Circle-Of-Two
34
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 15:01:33 -
[100] - Quote
Now I remember why I never read the official EVE-Online forums.
You all are a bunch of self-entitled, trigger rage, whiney ass cry babies.
You are poisonous vipers that feed off each others hatred.
Rage tantrums online is what we should call this game now.
Camera controls are not "unplayable" just not what you liked before. You preferred the old way. You would prefer to improve the new one to make it behave in a way that appears to you more. I get it. But why the rage and anger?
Go take a stroll on beach and remember that real people work here and calm down. Jeesh.
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Killer NenYim
Black Scorpions Inc
Infensus
9
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 16:23:22 -
[101] - Quote
Galendil wrote:Now I remember why I never read the official EVE-Online forums.
You all are a bunch of self-entitled, trigger rage, whiney ass cry babies.
You are poisonous vipers that feed off each others hatred.
Rage tantrums online is what we should call this game now.
Camera controls are not "unplayable" just not what you liked before. You preferred the old way. You would prefer to improve the new one to make it behave in a way that appears to you more. I get it. But why the rage and anger?
Go take a stroll on beach and remember that real people work here and calm down. Jeesh.
normally i would agree with you, but the way the camera behaves ATM is making me SICK, the movement isn't fluid, mainly its the way the camera behaves when zooming out and when I'm taking gates,
- when zooming in/out the goes slow then goes super fast. fast then really slow, try it and see for yourself (this action will make people feel sick due to motion sickness, something i didn't have a issue with before the new camera was mandatory)
- moving left to right and up and down requires to different inputs, i have to move twice as far to look up as i would to turn my camera left, again this is a brain thing that helps cause motion sickness, again this is a problem (not as big a issue as the first point)
- when i take gates the camera accelerates slowly then goes extremely fast without giving me a point to focus on (no ship to look at as i accelerate) and that again dude to the nature of the acceleration, it causes motion sickness, again something i didn't have a issue with when using the old camera, the old camera was at a good acceleration/speed
i like to point out this is the first game that has EVER! given me motion sickness to any degree, and it has only come about since the changes to the new camera |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
348
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 17:29:13 -
[102] - Quote
^ This! So much this. ^
GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½
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Coyote Cross
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
4
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 17:53:10 -
[103] - Quote
100+ posts of hate for the bs update to camera.
You honestly thought CCP gives a **** about their customers? lol |
Malachir
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
11
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 17:58:27 -
[104] - Quote
Incidentally, I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but apparently the universe is a shade of bluey purple...
Also, according to the star map, when you show the universe in true colour, all the stars are white...
Who broke the universe? |
Slayed
X.U.
Outnumbered.
12
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 18:14:29 -
[105] - Quote
Alex Candelaire wrote:Adding my dislike of the new camera. What was the logic behind getting rid of the old one AND reducing functionality of the new one at the same time? I didn't mind skill injectors or NPC opportunities or jump fatigue but this is just ridiculous.
A big fa ******* like here! |
Galendil
THORN Syndicate
Circle-Of-Two
34
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 18:25:48 -
[106] - Quote
Killer NenYim wrote:Galendil wrote:Now I remember why I never read the official EVE-Online forums.
You all are a bunch of self-entitled, trigger rage, whiney ass cry babies.
You are poisonous vipers that feed off each others hatred.
Rage tantrums online is what we should call this game now.
Camera controls are not "unplayable" just not what you liked before. You preferred the old way. You would prefer to improve the new one to make it behave in a way that appears to you more. I get it. But why the rage and anger?
Go take a stroll on beach and remember that real people work here and calm down. Jeesh.
normally i would agree with you, but the way the camera behaves ATM is making me SICK, the movement isn't fluid, mainly its the way the camera behaves when zooming out and when I'm taking gates, - when zooming in/out the goes slow then goes super fast. fast then really slow, try it and see for yourself (this action will make people feel sick due to motion sickness, something i didn't have a issue with before the new camera was mandatory) - moving left to right and up and down requires to different inputs, i have to move twice as far to look up as i would to turn my camera left, again this is a brain thing that helps cause motion sickness, again this is a problem (not as big a issue as the first point) - when i take gates the camera accelerates slowly then goes extremely fast without giving me a point to focus on (no ship to look at as i accelerate) and that again dude to the nature of the acceleration, it causes motion sickness, again something i didn't have a issue with when using the old camera, the old camera was at a good acceleration/speed i like to point out this is the first game that has EVER! given me motion sickness to any degree, and it has only come about since the changes to the new camera
When the new camera came out, I switched immediately and never looked back. That is why this is not a shock to me. Why do you think they give you a preview version of things? So you can ignore it until the old one goes away? You all better start using the new map, BTW.
Look, they need to get rid of old code. They need to get rid of DX9. They will fix this. Just lower the volume and be human for a change. Gawd!
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Rhazjin
Mind Collapse
Sanity is for the Weak
15
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 18:43:38 -
[107] - Quote
Galendil wrote:Killer NenYim wrote:Galendil wrote:Now I remember why I never read the official EVE-Online forums.
You all are a bunch of self-entitled, trigger rage, whiney ass cry babies.
You are poisonous vipers that feed off each others hatred.
Rage tantrums online is what we should call this game now.
Camera controls are not "unplayable" just not what you liked before. You preferred the old way. You would prefer to improve the new one to make it behave in a way that appears to you more. I get it. But why the rage and anger?
Go take a stroll on beach and remember that real people work here and calm down. Jeesh.
normally i would agree with you, but the way the camera behaves ATM is making me SICK, the movement isn't fluid, mainly its the way the camera behaves when zooming out and when I'm taking gates, - when zooming in/out the goes slow then goes super fast. fast then really slow, try it and see for yourself (this action will make people feel sick due to motion sickness, something i didn't have a issue with before the new camera was mandatory) - moving left to right and up and down requires to different inputs, i have to move twice as far to look up as i would to turn my camera left, again this is a brain thing that helps cause motion sickness, again this is a problem (not as big a issue as the first point) - when i take gates the camera accelerates slowly then goes extremely fast without giving me a point to focus on (no ship to look at as i accelerate) and that again dude to the nature of the acceleration, it causes motion sickness, again something i didn't have a issue with when using the old camera, the old camera was at a good acceleration/speed i like to point out this is the first game that has EVER! given me motion sickness to any degree, and it has only come about since the changes to the new camera When the new camera came out, I switched immediately and never looked back. That is why this is not a shock to me. Why do you think they give you a preview version of things? So you can ignore it until the old one goes away? You all better start using the new map, BTW. Look, they need to get rid of old code. They need to get rid of DX9. They will fix this. Just lower the volume and be human for a change. Gawd!
They should test and see if people even want the damn thing. They did, we don't, they still went with it like we all love it. No rage, logic. Logic which seems to evade you, and ccp. Enjoy your camera, you silly drone, so when it gets taken off cause the rest of the game hates it, you can have something legitimate to complain about....other than us venomous vipers. (really? vipers on a message board? imagine.) |
Coyote Cross
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
6
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 18:46:26 -
[108] - Quote
Quote:
When the new camera came out, I switched immediately and never looked back. That is why this is not a shock to me. Why do you think they give you a preview version of things? So you can ignore it until the old one goes away? You all better start using the new map, BTW.
Look, they need to get rid of old code. They need to get rid of DX9. They will fix this. Just lower the volume and be human for a change. Gawd!
Preparing for departure from DX9 or fixing old code usually doesn't involve wrecking a sparkling system that works perfectly. Congrats that you are in some minority that doesn't get sea sick. Maybe CCP should partner with dramamine pill companies and give out free samples to others who are physically getting sick from these changes. But yes, by all means, byebye DX9. and ,,!,, customers.
Do you think that crazy japanese anime show who gave kids epileptic seizures said "You all better deal with those seizures BTW. Get over yourselves."
So yeah. I'll ignore the things that make me sick until they go away.
Meanwhile, you can go give yourself herpes on purpose just because you may get it one day. #logic |
Tierce Japhrimel Iblis
Vanity Thy Name Is
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 19:23:22 -
[109] - Quote
General Feedback. Hmm.
Still not in place. Those icons for customizing the overview. The return of Region description flavor text(you make a big deal about adding lore, why not bring back some you dropped and never put back even though we were promised it's return?). Dark Opaque still not a color theme option. Industry window still a screen hog. The blackout screen of paranoia is still there for the first undock of a session, that 5-10 seconds of black screen and no controls is getting tedious.
And this new camera is Still not ready to be the headliner of the concert. There's something up with my ships' warp brakes, it's like viewing first generation anti-lock braking systems as a warp ends, with the hitch fast hitch not as fast hitch up etc. going on. I claim whiplash for my toons. Yes, I've turned off the boxes of flashy glitter options for the camera. It's still zipping around at silly speeds. Let's not get too far into the scrolling close/far that does not stay the same speed and is not responsive. I would describe it's behaviour as "zip zip! zwee! And now thataway!"
Not what I need from a camera for a game. I need solid and stable, not hyperactive and twitchy.
>Tierce |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
348
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 19:26:40 -
[110] - Quote
"Nausea" and "Motion Sickness" and "Makes Me Want To Throw Up" are literal reactions to the new camera not metaphorical exaggerations. Literally literal.
GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1933
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 19:50:43 -
[111] - Quote
Galendil wrote:
When the new camera came out, I switched immediately and never looked back. That is why this is not a shock to me. Why do you think they give you a preview version of things? So you can ignore it until the old one goes away? You all better start using the new map, BTW.
Look, they need to get rid of old code. They need to get rid of DX9. They will fix this. Just lower the volume and be human for a change. Gawd!
- CCP asks for feedback
- Feedback is given
- CCP ignores feedback
- Random F1 monkey drops bye to complain about people giving feedback
Such is the way of things.
Clearly i put a lot more demand on the camera since im more concious of the way the new camera falls short in terms of response, control and intuitiveness.
There are some good things too. Ive set the panning cam toggle to a mouse button and i really like that. The 1st person camera is interesting but essentially useless for the kind of pvp i get involved in. The strategic camera, looks nice but i tend to not need it as i use panning the camera and watching the parallax between various brackets to judge distance.
BUT very simply, the camera seems to responds late to input from the mouse, requires twice as much vertical input as horizontal and the zoom speed and 'stiffness' or 'feel' is vastly different to the old camera and hard to control on certain hardware.
This is all done to make things look more 'polished' but the way they achieved that has come at a great cost to performance. Player feedback has driven many changes in EVE history, unfortunately its usually after theyve ignored the prerelease feedback and have to backpedal / fix it once its on TQ. If everyone were like you, no one would complain, EVE would be **** and no one would play it.
Now, im not sure where im raging, but im sure you will see it. But please, before you white knight for CCP understand that i want the game to be better than where it is right now in terms of the new camera. |
Jai Kedrick
Paradox Collective
Project.Mayhem.
0
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 22:35:52 -
[112] - Quote
Been playing since 2004. Dont post on here much, but the new camera sucks.
Why not listen to your player base n leave the old one in situ n give them the choice?!
I personally find it makes me naucious, have no idea why but it does.
The old one is perfect, bring it back for those that want it, otherwise i feel you may lose a lot of players, me included. |
Samantha Caldwell
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
|
Posted - 2016.06.02 23:51:28 -
[113] - Quote
Galendil wrote:Now I remember why I never read the official EVE-Online forums.
You all are a bunch of self-entitled, trigger rage, whiney ass cry babies.
You are poisonous vipers that feed off each others hatred.
Rage tantrums online is what we should call this game now.
Camera controls are not "unplayable" just not what you liked before. You preferred the old way. You would prefer to improve the new one to make it behave in a way that appears to you more. I get it. But why the rage and anger?
Go take a stroll on beach and remember that real people work here and calm down. Jeesh.
Oh, I'm sorry. I was under the assumption that we are entitled to what we PAY FOR. CCP didn't donate this game to us out of their kindness of their hearts only to get throttled by those mean old internet space bullies. Some of us have invested quite a bit of time and money into this game and do not want to see it go into the trash due to poor management and/or game breaking changes.
The only people who are a problem here are people like you, if we pay for a service then we are entitled to complain about it in any way that we like. If you or CCP doesn't like that fact then we can take our money elsewhere. I'm pretty sure you would be singing a different, much more desperate, tune if the entire player base left for a company that respects its customers and your internet spaceships 'experience' went straight down the toilet as a result.
The only problem I see here is that despite all the complaints CCP has literally done nothing to address them, not so much as a word. People will only complain if you give them a reason to and apparently CCP has literally never heard of the Intel Pentium FDIV Controversy otherwise they would know better. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1933
|
Posted - 2016.06.03 03:01:17 -
[114] - Quote
I think the main cause of zero CCP interest in this which seems to only effect a small proportion of players, even though it effects those to a large extent. Is that there isnt a reddit megathread. Since most of the posters on reddit are in huge alliances that simply anchor up and follow broadcasts. Many may not even move their camera from the start of a fight to the end. |
Hamasaki Cross
Scumbag Logistics INC PTY LTD
Tactical Supremacy
16
|
Posted - 2016.06.03 03:46:16 -
[115] - Quote
First of 24 accounts will expire in 4 days.
But yeah nah, renewing seems only duly diligent for a game worth playing and not vomiting because dip ***** decided to fix something not broken.
But poster above is right. If you're not making a reddit mega complaint thread or you are one of a couple streamers, your voice means nothing to CCP. |
Galendil
THORN Syndicate
Circle-Of-Two
35
|
Posted - 2016.06.03 05:15:55 -
[116] - Quote
Samantha Caldwell wrote:Galendil wrote:Now I remember why I never read the official EVE-Online forums.
You all are a bunch of self-entitled, trigger rage, whiney ass cry babies.
You are poisonous vipers that feed off each others hatred.
Rage tantrums online is what we should call this game now.
Camera controls are not "unplayable" just not what you liked before. You preferred the old way. You would prefer to improve the new one to make it behave in a way that appears to you more. I get it. But why the rage and anger?
Go take a stroll on beach and remember that real people work here and calm down. Jeesh.
Oh, I'm sorry. I was under the assumption that we are entitled to what we PAY FOR. CCP didn't donate this game to us out of their kindness of their hearts only to get throttled by those mean old internet space bullies. Some of us have invested quite a bit of time and money into this game and do not want to see it go into the trash due to poor management and/or game breaking changes. The only people who are a problem here are people like you, if we pay for a service then we are entitled to complain about it in any way that we like. If you or CCP doesn't like that fact then we can take our money elsewhere. I'm pretty sure you would be singing a different, much more desperate, tune if the entire player base left for a company that respects its customers and your internet spaceships 'experience' went straight down the toilet as a result. The only problem I see here is that despite all the complaints CCP has literally done nothing to address them, not so much as a word. People will only complain if you give them a reason to and apparently CCP has literally never heard of the Intel Pentium FDIV Controversy otherwise they would know better.
Wahh wahh wahh! Cry me a fricken river. You sound like a child. I would be so happy if you "took your money elsewhere". Then I wouldn't have to read this pile of debris you call comments. No one behaves like you in real life. Speaking of which, go get one.
For the rest of us, those who do not try and take out what small frustrations they have w/ spaceships games out on real people; give them time to fix it.
CCP does not ignore you, they really don't. If they did, this forum would be history.
I have met the devs quite a few times and they really want you to be happy and like what they make, and when they release it and you all give feedback, they get right to work making it better or fixing the bug or whatever. Apparently they got some mixed signals on the camera. I know for using a cap ship, the camera is a must. Like, you cannot function without the new camera. If you take it away tomorrow then carriers can just stay docked up forever. I am not in love with everything about it, but parts of it are amazing and others, like the tracking camera need to be brought back or fixed.
Just because it has been 2 days and no one is writing, "Oh dear Samantha, so sorry, we will get right on that and get you a fix in the hour" does not mean they aren't doing something. You do realize they read this, right? If I were them, I would wait an extra day or two if I read your comments before replying, just to spite you. But I know they are nicer than me.
They will get it right. Software is trial and error. Sometimes, like with the Kill-GONG, it only takes a day. Other times, a few days or weeks. Try and not lose it during that time. In the meantime, try new features early on Sisi and give good positive feedback. Offer suggestions. Otherwise, please go threaten elsewhere. No one believes you really will leave w/ your 26 RMT accounts or whatever; and if you do, we all will dance on your frozen corpse floating in space.
Oh, yeah, re: vipers. For sure a little anachronistic, but yeah, snakes. Some of you believe that the only way to get something done is to rage. All that does is make devs want to go make games for some other company. So yah, no EVE if you all quit your accounts. Also, no EVE if all the good devs leave.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1933
|
Posted - 2016.06.03 05:29:59 -
[117] - Quote
Galendil, you do realise that there is far more angst, and far less value in your 'i hate people who give feedback in feedback threads because ive met some devs and i blindly follow everything they do' post?
And no, they wont get it right if they are not told what is wrong. |
Samantha Caldwell
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
|
Posted - 2016.06.03 05:36:24 -
[118] - Quote
Galendil wrote:Now I remember why I never read the official EVE-Online forums.
Wahh wahh wahh! Cry me a fricken river. You sound like a child. I would be so happy if you "took your money elsewhere". Then I wouldn't have to read this pile of debris you call comments. No one behaves like you in real life. Speaking of which, go get one.
For the rest of us, those who do not try and take out what small frustrations they have w/ spaceships games out on real people; give them time to fix it.
CCP does not ignore you, they really don't. If they did, this forum would be history.
I have met the devs quite a few times and they really want you to be happy and like what they make, and when they release it and you all give feedback, they get right to work making it better or fixing the bug or whatever. Apparently they got some mixed signals on the camera. I know for using a cap ship, the camera is a must. Like, you cannot function without the new camera. If you take it away tomorrow then carriers can just stay docked up forever. I am not in love with everything about it, but parts of it are amazing and others, like the tracking camera need to be brought back or fixed.
Just because it has been 2 days and no one is writing, "Oh dear Samantha, so sorry, we will get right on that and get you a fix in the hour" does not mean they aren't doing something. You do realize they read this, right? If I were them, I would wait an extra day or two if I read your comments before replying, just to spite you. But I know they are nicer than me.
They will get it right. Software is trial and error. Sometimes, like with the Kill-GONG, it only takes a day. Other times, a few days or weeks. Try and not lose it during that time. In the meantime, try new features early on Sisi and give good positive feedback. Offer suggestions. Otherwise, please go threaten elsewhere. No one believes you really will leave w/ your 26 RMT accounts or whatever; and if you do, we all will dance on your frozen corpse floating in space.
Oh, yeah, re: vipers. For sure a little anachronistic, but yeah, snakes. Some of you believe that the only way to get something done is to rage. All that does is make devs want to go make games for some other company. So yah, no EVE if you all quit your accounts. Also, no EVE if all the good devs leave.
The only person I see raging is you, do you work at CCP?
Why are you even posting? Just to bash on players?
I'm sure CCP will love you.
Oh yea, and in regards to that stupid irl comment.
If i bought a 2016 Ford Fusion with tinted power windows, you better believe I'm gonna have a few words with the head office when the dealership comes to remove my power windows so they can be 'upgraded' with non-tinted magnifying glass.
I didn't read past paragraph three or I'd continue, this post is dribble anyway so I don't feel bad. |
Erebus 'TheChin' Sundance
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
11
|
Posted - 2016.06.03 08:50:58 -
[119] - Quote
Ahh, had a lovely walk this morning, I was passing a little ridge and I overheard two rabbits having a chat.
Quote:"This new carrot is ****.
C'mon chap, need to face it, the old carrot is gone, dead, caput.
Why did they make it ****?
For pretty good reasons in regards to future proofing, a long term thing that needs to happen, like it or not.
mumble, mumble, well it's bollox.
Our only option, is to provide the universe with constructive feedback thus allowing them to further improve the new carrot. I suspect it's been made the mandatory option specifically to get our feedback, as a lot of us just didn't eat it.
Meh, you could be right.
Patience is all that's needed, I have been communicating on the new carrot issues since they introduced it, and two of my concerns have been sorted and one request granted.
The universe can't amend something unless they know what we want. ask yourself...
...Why is the new carrot not right?
What is it doing/not doing that is wrong?
What could make it better/improve your experience of it?
foot tapping.
There are some really nice features to the new carrot once you get over the 'oh **** change' hurdle, and a few creases we need to help the universe iron out."
...Odd I thought.
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Aves Asio
19
|
Posted - 2016.06.03 12:54:50 -
[120] - Quote
If you took the effort to find all the feedback threads and read them you will find that all the issues have been laid out to the devs but they remain unaddressed.
The silence on this issue could only mean two things, either they dont care enough to address them or they dont know how to address them.
In any case the smart decision would be not to remove a proven, stable tool and replace it with something that is still a work in progress, if even that. |
Mesacc
New Big Dog Mining
19
|
Posted - 2016.06.03 13:35:47 -
[121] - Quote
Aves Asio wrote:If you took the effort to find all the feedback threads and read them you will find that all the issues have been laid out to the devs but they remain unaddressed.
The silence on this issue could only mean two things, either they dont care enough to address them or they dont know how to address them.
In any case the smart decision would be not to remove a proven, stable tool and replace it with something that is still a work in progress, if even that.
Your right. I have been following every thread on the camera and of the 3 main issues- no custom tracking point/pan speed, zoom and uneven up/down vs left right scrolling, I have not seen one reply from them.
They added right click/look option which tells me they can make the camera however they want it. Why not address these issues? Why not make the tracking point moveable? Why not give us sliders to adjust zoom and up/down scrolling? It doesn't make sense to me. I'm not anti-new camera and i understand old code needs to be replaced but what we have is half-assed and clunky. Considering how junky most other new games are now days, I guess I expect better from CCP.
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Varren Dar'khel
Starforged Ascendancy
Order of the Exalted
54
|
Posted - 2016.06.03 20:03:47 -
[122] - Quote
Galendil wrote:Now I remember why I never read the official EVE-Online forums.
You're reading them now you ignorant ****. You don't like our opinions fine, then don't ******* read them.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1936
|
Posted - 2016.06.03 21:12:05 -
[123] - Quote
I think ive managed to figure out whats wrong with the zoom on the orbit camera.
Once you zoom out beyond a certain point, into the zoom levels that are practical for kiting (you cant see your ship model and can only see other brackets). The increments of zoom as very large. Its very hard to get a zoom level that i am comfortable with since there are no micro adjustments, there are only huge leaps of zoom.
The result there being so few increments of zoom, is that the zoom becomes far too fast on my ratchet-less mouse. And even if i turn the ratchet on it rarely feels like im at the zoom level i would want.
On the old camera, i could make slight adjustments all the time, to help with my situation awareness and judge the distance of ships using parallax.
With this camera, the movement between zoom 'levels' are smooth, but the distance between them is huge once you are at the kind of zoomed out view required for nano-kiting.
Add this to the generally slow to respond camera panning and the extra input needed to look up and down and i am left with far less confidence that the game is going to allow me to do what i used to be able to do. |
Angry Arnst
W.O.R.M-S.W.A.R.M
Spartan Republic
2
|
Posted - 2016.06.04 03:46:43 -
[124] - Quote
So whos bright idea was it for new camera it fooking suxs and being older player I like the old camera much better. I don't see why CCP can add it as option use or not like did new map and scan probes I like new map but prefer old scan map I like have same option for camera. Come on CCP quit messing with game every week damn. MAKE IT OPTION ATLEAST . Also old camera if scroll over load out showed optimals and such I like that a lot better also can adjust fast on fly now it only a circle okay unless changed ammo it use be odd ranges for optimal not even so wtf another reason want option so can use old camera which I like a lot better and more comfortable unless CCP plans on supplying me plex for ship loses for retraining in pvp add option use or not period end subject |
Octavius Gaius
Row Row Fight the Power
Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2016.06.04 04:14:00 -
[125] - Quote
Ok the new camera is getting better. However I still have a few problems.
1. The Reduced amount of Zoom (FOV) compared to old camera, I need the extra zoom for making insta-undocks perfectly aligned. Plus I just like the increased amount of zoom the old camera had. I don't care if when I zoom in all the way if "space Looks pixelated" please give back the more powerful FOV of the old camera please.
2. The different mouse sensitivity between horizontal and vertical.
3. I like that you added right click look option space, But why does it not work in stations like It previously did in the past? |
Samantha Caldwell
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
|
Posted - 2016.06.05 18:59:34 -
[126] - Quote
One more thing that may have been mentioned already.
Why does the zoom position reset on every jump?
Can you please fix this, its incredibly annoying having to zoom in every single jump. It's even worse when you're in something like a travel interceptor. |
Strykr X
X-COM Navy
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
15
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Posted - 2016.06.05 19:04:47 -
[127] - Quote
Custom Tracking Position. That's all I wanted from the new camera :( |
Sergey Hawk
The Sith Syndicate
REFORD
35
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 14:40:50 -
[128] - Quote
Quote:Patch notes for May 2016 Release 1.3 Published on Tuesday, June 7th, 2016 Defect Fixes: Miscellaneous:
- A few small improvements to make New Eden a better place for everyone.
Seriously, CCP? Seriously?
When you lift your lazy asses and start releasing fixes for your "awesome" new camera?
When Custom Tracking Position will be added to new camera??
When you fix ultra fast zoom with Dymanic Center Offset?
Wait, I do not need DCO if you add CTP.
When you synchronize sensitivity for X,Y camera axes??
Just do not tell me that this piece of crap you called camera works as intended.
Lauda about CCP New camera:
It's a sh.tbox! It zooms like crazy and centering before rotation is a disaster. It's amazing - all these dev teams, and you make a piece of crap like this.
|
Oraac Ensor
706
|
Posted - 2016.06.07 15:33:36 -
[129] - Quote
CCP Turtlepower wrote:Carrion Crow wrote:Why oh why do I now have to click "track" to track targets with the camera? Why are you making work for us?
Shift+C will toggle auto tracking on, please try that. CCP Turtlepower
 Shift+C is Reconnect to Lost Drones. |
Rumbless
43
|
Posted - 2016.06.08 11:13:42 -
[130] - Quote
2 patches and still no patch notes. I have no idea what you are doing to my game. Your game. Err our game? .. Just your game then. |
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
269
|
Posted - 2016.06.09 14:23:40 -
[131] - Quote
Working on getting this thread back on track. You post is important to us. Please stand by.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Evemails.
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Sergey Hawk
The Sith Syndicate
REFORD
38
|
Posted - 2016.06.10 06:39:54 -
[132] - Quote
You have removed my comment with important questions to which for three months we have not received any response.
We are customers. Our subscription pay developers salary. And if developers not answered for our important questions for 3 months and nothing fixed and instead they exclude old working camera, then we have the right to use the word "lazy".
Well, I will write the question again.
- When will be added Custom Tracking Position for new "awesome" camera?
- When ultra fast zoom with Dynamic Center Offset will be fixed?
- When we will have identical sensitivity for X,Y camera axes?
- When will be removed unnecessary intermediate centering of camera before starting rotation?
CCP please answer this questions with specific dates and not with vague "SOONGäó"
Lauda about CCP New camera:
It's a sh.tbox! It zooms like crazy and centering before rotation is a disaster. It's amazing - all these dev teams, and you make a piece of crap like this.
|
Raferau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1
|
Posted - 2016.06.10 09:41:16 -
[133] - Quote
Why ohh Why after all this time do we still have to reload overviews and other stuff when you just change the launcher?
You undock look at overview and are blind |
Raferau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1
|
Posted - 2016.06.10 09:44:25 -
[134] - Quote
Why does tactical overlay now only show effective range of mods in the horizontal plane ? range of mods is a sphere not flat !!!! |
Mesacc
New Big Dog Mining
20
|
Posted - 2016.06.10 10:38:05 -
[135] - Quote
Sergey Hawk wrote:
CCP please answer this questions with specific dates and not with vague "SOONGäó"
I'd be happy with SOON over the silence we have been getting. Not a word so far so we dont even know if these features are being considered. |
Killer NenYim
Black Scorpions Inc
Infensus
10
|
Posted - 2016.06.10 22:06:23 -
[136] - Quote
this post is a copy of my original post, minus the bit where someone was flaming someone else, which is why ISD pulled it down I'm guessing even when it was quoting someone else and not me doing the flaming
normally i would agree with you, but the way the camera behaves ATM is making me SICK, the movement isn't fluid, mainly its the way the camera behaves when zooming out and when I'm taking gates,
- when zooming in/out the goes slow then goes super fast. fast then really slow, try it and see for yourself (this action will make people feel sick due to motion sickness, something i didn't have a issue with before the new camera was mandatory)
- moving left to right and up and down requires to different inputs, i have to move twice as far to look up as i would to turn my camera left, again this is a brain thing that helps cause motion sickness, again this is a problem (not as big a issue as the first point)
- when i take gates the camera accelerates slowly then goes extremely fast without giving me a point to focus on (no ship to look at as i accelerate) and that again dude to the nature of the acceleration, it causes motion sickness, again something i didn't have a issue with when using the old camera, the old camera was at a good acceleration/speed
i like to point out this is the first game that has EVER! given me motion sickness to any degree, and it has only come about since the changes to the new camera
i hope this helps you, hell even some of my corp m8's didn't notice the change until l pointed it out, some like it, others do not. |
Sergey Hawk
The Sith Syndicate
REFORD
38
|
Posted - 2016.06.11 07:23:54 -
[137] - Quote
Quote:- when i take gates the camera accelerates slowly then goes extremely fast without giving me a point to focus on (no ship to look at as i accelerate) and that again dude to the nature of the acceleration, it causes motion sickness, again something i didn't have a issue with when using the old camera, the old camera was at a good acceleration/speed
This occurs not only during gate jump, but then when we switch targets with autotracking enabled. If one target ahead of ship and another one behind the ship, then after target selecting camera rotates at such high speed that pilot can fall from the chair.
And this "feature' of the new camera NASA wants to use in its training program for astronauts.
Lauda about CCP New camera:
It's a sh.tbox! It zooms like crazy and centering before rotation is a disaster. It's amazing - all these dev teams, and you make a piece of crap like this.
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Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima
Astromechanica Federatis
97
|
Posted - 2016.06.11 20:08:02 -
[138] - Quote
ISD Max Trix wrote:Removed some post for the above reasons. Thread Opened.
You removed my post with a list of problems to fix. That's nothing to do with moderation. I'm happy Lazarus has a good memory. Here's my post, and i'll add a couple of things to fix.
1) Give the old camera back
or
2) Fix the new camera like this:
a) Make the horizontal and vertical look speed values identical
b) Add a Zoom speed slider
c) Remove the inertia when zooming
d) Remove bobbing when the option is disabled
e) Get the old max zoom back
Moreover, you need to:
1) Allow us to change the UI icons. Two years later, the new ones are still a mess to identify.
2/ Either make all Overview Icons the same size, or get back to the old ones. Right, most of them are too small.
3) Get the sliders back for choosing UI colors. Less choice isn't a good thing.
4) Get back the 'old' (something like 2 years) char skin tone selection. Again, less choice isn't a good thing.
5) Remove the ads in station, or allow us to disable them permanently. Ad blockers exist and are widely used for a reason.
6) Make it so the new launcher can manage several installs of the game separately. Removing features is bloody stupid.
7) Train your moderators properly. It's the second time in less than a month that two of them abuse their powers. In my team, they would have been removed from the program before the end of the day.
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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
269
|
Posted - 2016.06.11 22:46:00 -
[139] - Quote
Quote: 12. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a support ticket under the Community & Forums Category.
I have removed a post for the above reason. If you have an issue with the way the forums are moderated please fill a support ticket.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Evemails.
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Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima
Astromechanica Federatis
97
|
Posted - 2016.06.12 20:12:58 -
[140] - Quote
Deleting feedback isn't moderation. Again, Lazarus to the rescue.
1) Give the old camera back
or
2) Fix the new camera like this:
a) Make the horizontal and vertical look speed values identical
b) Add a Zoom speed slider
c) Remove the inertia when zooming
d) Remove bobbing when the option is disabled
e) Get the old max zoom back
Moreover, you need to:
1) Allow us to change the UI icons. Two years later, the new ones are still a mess to identify.
2) Either make all Overview Icons the same size, or get back to the old ones. Right now, most of them are too small.
3) Get the sliders back for choosing UI colors. Less choice isn't a good thing.
4) Get back the 'old' (something like 2 years) char skin tone selection. Again, less choice isn't a good thing.
5) Remove the ads in station, or allow us to disable them permanently. Ad blockers exist and are widely used for a reason.
6) Make it so the new launcher can manage several installs of the game separately. Removing features is bloody stupid.
7) Train your moderators properly. It's the second time in less than a month that two of them abuse their powers. In my team, they would have been removed from the program before the end of the day. |
Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima
Astromechanica Federatis
97
|
Posted - 2016.06.13 09:34:33 -
[141] - Quote
Not quite the same. Feedback was askef, feedback is given. It's quite simple really: don't remove feedback.
1) Give the old camera back
or
2) Fix the new camera like this:
a) Make the horizontal and vertical look speed values identical
b) Add a Zoom speed slider
c) Remove the inertia when zooming
d) Remove bobbing when the option is disabled
e) Get the old max zoom back
Moreover, you need to:
1) Allow us to change the UI icons. Two years later, the new ones are still a mess to identify.
2) Either make all Overview Icons the same size, or get back to the old ones. Right now, most of them are too small.
3) Get the sliders back for choosing UI colors. Less choice isn't a good thing.
4) Get back the 'old' (something like 2 years) char skin tone selection. Again, less choice isn't a good thing.
5) Remove the ads in station, or allow us to disable them permanently. Ad blockers exist and are widely used for a reason.
6) Make it so the new launcher can manage several installs of the game separately. Removing features is bloody stupid.
7) Train your moderators properly. It's the second time in less than a month that two of them abuse their powers. In my team, they would have been removed from the program before the end of the day. |
Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima
Astromechanica Federatis
97
|
Posted - 2016.06.13 16:36:21 -
[142] - Quote
Again: feedback was asked, feedback is given. It's quite simple really: don't remove feedback.
1) Give the old camera back
or
2) Fix the new camera like this:
a) Make the horizontal and vertical look speed values identical
b) Add a Zoom speed slider
c) Remove the inertia when zooming
d) Remove bobbing when the option is disabled
e) Get the old max zoom back
Moreover, you need to:
1) Allow us to change the UI icons. Two years later, the new ones are still a mess to identify.
2) Either make all Overview Icons the same size, or get back to the old ones. Right now, most of them are too small.
3) Get the sliders back for choosing UI colors. Less choice isn't a good thing.
4) Get back the 'old' (something like 2 years) char skin tone selection. Again, less choice isn't a good thing.
5) Remove the ads in station, or allow us to disable them permanently. Ad blockers exist and are widely used for a reason.
6) Make it so the new launcher can manage several installs of the game separately. Removing features is bloody stupid.
7) Train your moderators properly. It's the second time in less than a month that two of them abuse their powers. In my team, they would have been removed from the program before the end of the day. |
Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima
Astromechanica Federatis
97
|
Posted - 2016.06.13 20:16:35 -
[143] - Quote
CCP Phantom wrote:Please use this thread for general feedback and discussions.
Should be clear enough with this. Anyway. Feedback.
1) Give the old camera back
or
2) Fix the new camera like this:
a) Make the horizontal and vertical look speed values identical
b) Add a Zoom speed slider
c) Remove the inertia when zooming
d) Remove bobbing when the option is disabled
e) Get the old max zoom back
Moreover, you need to:
1) Allow us to change the UI icons. Two years later, the new ones are still a mess to identify.
2) Either make all Overview Icons the same size, or get back to the old ones. Right now, most of them are too small.
3) Get the sliders back for choosing UI colors. Less choice isn't a good thing.
4) Get back the 'old' (something like 2 years) char skin tone selection. Again, less choice isn't a good thing.
5) Remove the ads in station, or allow us to disable them permanently. Ad blockers exist and are widely used for a reason.
6) Make it so the new launcher can manage several installs of the game separately. Removing features is bloody stupid.
7) Train your moderators properly. It's the second time in less than a month that two of them abuse their powers. In my team, they would have been removed from the program before the end of the day. |
Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima
Astromechanica Federatis
97
|
Posted - 2016.06.14 08:50:30 -
[144] - Quote
It's a place to provide feedback when feedback is asked. Hey, here's feedback!
1) Give the old camera back
or
2) Fix the new camera like this:
a) Make the horizontal and vertical look speed values identical
b) Add a Zoom speed slider
c) Remove the inertia when zooming
d) Remove bobbing when the option is disabled
e) Get the old max zoom back
Moreover, you need to:
1) Allow us to change the UI icons. Two years later, the new ones are still a mess to identify.
2) Either make all Overview Icons the same size, or get back to the old ones. Right now, most of them are too small.
3) Get the sliders back for choosing UI colors. Less choice isn't a good thing.
4) Get back the 'old' (something like 2 years) char skin tone selection. Again, less choice isn't a good thing.
5) Remove the ads in station, or allow us to disable them permanently. Ad blockers exist and are widely used for a reason.
6) Make it so the new launcher can manage several installs of the game separately. Removing features is bloody stupid.
7) Train your moderators properly. It's the second time in less than a month that two of them abuse their powers. In my team, they would have been removed from the program before the end of the day. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1940
|
Posted - 2016.06.14 17:38:45 -
[145] - Quote
Azahar Ortenegro wrote:Here's feedback!
2) Fix the new camera like this:
a) Make the horizontal and vertical look speed values identical
b) Add a Zoom speed slider
c) Remove the inertia when zooming
d) Remove bobbing when the option is disabled
e) Get the old max zoom back
I would add
f) add more increments to the zoom when zoomed to the extent that the ship is not visible.
As it is, when in the outer limits of the zoom, the increments are huge which often makes finding a zoom 'level' that is comfortable for a given situation awkward. |
Hamasaki Cross
Scumbag Logistics INC PTY LTD
Tactical Supremacy
17
|
Posted - 2016.06.14 20:53:48 -
[146] - Quote
ISD Max Trix wrote:Quote: 12. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a support ticket under the Community & Forums Category. I have removed a post for the above reason. If you have an issue with the way the forums are moderated please file a support ticket. 2016.06.12 23:21 Removed the same post 2016.06.13 15:42 Removed the same post. If you have issue with any CCL member file a support ticket. 2016.06.13 18:14 Removed the same post. 2016.06.13 23:16 Removed the same post. if you have issue with the moderators File A Ticket. The forums is not the place to air grievances. 2016.06.14 15:28 Removed the Same Post.
lol @ CCP
Forum: If you don't like how forum moderation is done, file a ticket.
Ticket: If you don't like how forum moderation is done, post on the forum in the suggestions thread so we can ignore you. |
Mesacc
New Big Dog Mining
21
|
Posted - 2016.06.14 21:06:24 -
[147] - Quote
Since I know the ISDs are watching, i will ask them.....Think you guys could mention to the developers that we would love a little feedback from them in this feedback thread? Feedback works better when it's a 2 way street....
Thanks in advance |
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
269
|
Posted - 2016.06.14 23:22:30 -
[148] - Quote
Removed a post discussing Forum Moderation.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Evemails.
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Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
815
|
Posted - 2016.06.17 16:35:21 -
[149] - Quote
The introduction of citadels - while mostly positive - has introduced something that imo is demonstrably bad for the game; namely invulnerable nullsec logistics. Specifically, in the past null sec groups would move jump freighters back and forth mainly through lowsec into highsec for sale and/or resupply as may be required. To do this jump freighter pilot would have to light a cyno - somewhere in an appropriate system - sometimes it would be on a gate, station or pos, depending upon the system and circumstances. In each case, depending upon the skill of pilot, luck and other circumstances, the jump freighter might be vulnerable to interdiction. For instance, the cyno might be lite too close to a station causing the jf to bounce or he might appear out of jump range from the gate. If it is lite on a pos - it would be at a perch allowing the jf to be tackled if the tackle can get there before he warps into the force field of the pos.
Now citadels have changed everything making logistics essentially invulnerable. An alliance sets up a citadel in its homesystem, the jf undocks from the citadel and is instantly immune because of tethering. The Jf jumps while immune to its destination onto another citadel where it is rendered instantly immune by tethering. Bouncing is unlikely because citadels have huge docking rings. The Jf then aligns to its high sec gate while tethered and warps in total safety to highsec.
The reason why this immunity has come about is because CCP has conflated POS'es and outposts. CCP stated that because a jf could jump straight to an outpost and dock - it wanted to retain that same usability for citadels. However, outposts were hugely expensive and could not be put anywhere. POS on the otherhand while being vastly cheaper did not afford the same protection. You could not jump into a pos forcefield to be immune. In fact, you could not garage door - where you have the pos offline jump to the tower and then turn on the forcefield either. Further as POS'es developed you could not lite a cyno within 25k of a pos.
In short for the price of about 1bil isk per citadel, a null sec alliance can now render its logistic chain wholly immune. This circumstances hurts the small pirate groups that live in lowsec the most. Many of these groups are all ready red headed stepchilden largely ignored by ccp. And while yes citadels can be destroyed - many of the smaller lowsec grps that preyed on the null sec logistics chains lack the wherewithal to go toe to toe in fleet battles with the null sec alliances as the reinforcement timers of citadels encourages.
IMO there should be no situation of perfect safety for a player, yet that is exactly what citadels currently afford the jf pilot. With citadels it is certainly odd that the most dangerous portion of the logistics trip to high sec for a jf pilot is now in high sec.
How would I fix this circumstance? Simple - as with POS'es make it so a cyno cannot be lite within 25k of the medium and large citadels. I would leave the xl alone as it is functionally the equivalent of an outpost and its cost prevents it from being abused for logistic chain immunity.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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ISD Buldath
ISD STAR
393
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Posted - 2016.06.19 04:02:36 -
[150] - Quote
Quote: 3. Ranting is prohibited.
A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents.
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CCP operate a zero tolerance policy on abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers. This includes but is not limited to personal attacks, trolling, GÇ£outingGÇ¥ of CCP employee or ISD volunteer player identities, and the use of any former player identities when referring to the aforementioned parties.
Our forums are designed to be a place where players and developers can exchange ideas in a polite and friendly manner for the betterment of EVE Online. Players who attack or abuse employees of CCP, or ISD volunteers, will be permanently banned from the EVE Online forums across all their accounts with no recourse, and may also be subject to action against their game accounts.
I have further removed Posts in regards to the aforementioned Rules. You can disagree with changes without making a mess.
~ISD Buldath
Commander
Support, Training and Resources Division
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to EVE-Mails regarding forum moderation.
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ube smoked
State War Academy
Caldari State
11
|
Posted - 2016.06.23 13:07:03 -
[151] - Quote
Please fix positioning in the overview when it comes to citadels. They should be treated as stations, but for some reason they are all listed before any ships in the immediate vicinity which is pretty annoying. I'm sure this is an error/oversight/bug.
Example: https://s20.postimg.org/um4kr0q65/fixplease.jpg
Fix please. |
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
284
|
Posted - 2016.06.23 14:50:04 -
[152] - Quote
If you don't like the new camera perhaps you can put your head in your butt and fight for air. Just saying. |
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
273
|
Posted - 2016.06.23 15:16:47 -
[153] - Quote
Removed a troll post.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Evemails.
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Samantha Caldwell
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
2
|
Posted - 2016.07.03 23:55:49 -
[154] - Quote
This entire thread was completely pointless.
If our feedback is just going to be ignored then why did you even ask for it?
There are some seriously good ideas in this thread and I'm like 90% sure no one is reading them.
- The tracking system on the camera is awful
- We NEED custom tracking positions!!!
- The client freezes constantly when running in first person mode rendering it completely unusable
- The tactical camera only shows module range and other info on the horizontal axis, why?
- The zoom constantly changing itself back to whatever random default it likes is very annoying
- The zoom level changing anytime I do anything with the camera besides spin is insufferable
- FIX THE ZOOM PLEASE
- The undocking camera did absolutely nothing to help anything, there is no reason that we even needed it
Just fix these PLEASE, it will make life so much less painful. If you read any of these posts then read this one. |
Moriar theChosen
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
16
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Posted - 2016.07.19 00:02:02 -
[155] - Quote
Samantha Caldwell wrote:
We NEED custom tracking positions!!!
Yes. Yes. Yes. |
Darkwing Fiftytwo
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
17
|
Posted - 2016.08.04 13:26:37 -
[156] - Quote
Anyone know when tiericide will be completed? Like they did 70% or so and now crickets? |
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