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Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.03.02 04:49:00 - [1] Since all t2 bpos are isk printing machines, I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to make free* copies of my T2 Small EMP Smartbomb BPO that we own and give it to you. All you have to do is EVE-Mail me with your request for a free* 10-run BPC and I will make a copy at my earliest convenience and get a contract to you. In return, you must deliver unto me 2 of the 10 you make within 1 week of when I place the contract up for you. All of the other lavish billions of ISK is yours to keep and spend as you wish. If you don't/can't deliver in time, I will post a log of shame of all of the ignorant, jealous noobs for all the world to see. Here it is, your piece of the pie of the wonderful world of T2 production and billions making, just an EVE-Mail and your production capabilities away. TICK-TOCK! ---
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.03.02 04:56:00 - [2] Can I just have the BPO instead? t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.03.02 04:58:00 - [3] Well if the micro one can kill a titan the small version mut be bloody uber
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 05:02:00 - [4] Slightly condescending tone there, however I support this plan! Will be amusing to see people struggle with the skills and logistics required, never mind trying to sell em, that said 10 runs isn’t much of a logistics challenge, it’s the big stuff like 425mm rails and ships that takes real effot. -
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.03.02 05:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Alski Slightly condescending tone there, however I support this plan! Will be amusing to see people struggle with the skills and logistics required, never mind trying to sell em, that said 10 runs isnÆt much of a logistics challenge, itÆs the big stuff like 425mm rails and ships that takes real effot. Can we get free 10-run 425mm II rail BPCs as well? t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Mr M	Posted - 2007.03.02 05:07:00 - [6] Originally by: Mortania Since all t2 bpos are isk printing machines, I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to make free* copies of my T2 Small EMP Smartbomb BPO that we own and give it to you. All you have to do is EVE-Mail me with your request for a free* 10-run BPC and I will make a copy at my earliest convenience and get a contract to you. In return, you must deliver unto me 2 of the 10 you make within 1 week of when I place the contract up for you. All of the other lavish billions of ISK is yours to keep and spend as you wish. If you don't/can't deliver in time, I will post a log of shame of all of the ignorant, jealous noobs for all the world to see. Here it is, your piece of the pie of the wonderful world of T2 production and billions making, just an EVE-Mail and your production capabilities away. TICK-TOCK! I'm Mr M, owner of the Eve Tribune, and I approve of this message. EVEgeek \| EVE Tribune
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.02 05:12:00 - [7] Thread title sums up anti-bpo people well.
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.02 05:21:00 - [8] Do the same with a covops cloak or a hulk bpc and we will talk.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.02 05:28:00 - [9] Originally by: Soporo Do the same with a covops cloak or a hulk bpc and we will talk. Invention will gradually increase supply in areas were there is a clear lack of supply and obsene prices, however, T2 production will always but faster, easier, more stable, more efficient, and be able to sell at lower cost. Removing T2 bpo's will lead to higher prices due to diminished supply and unstable component markets. People advocating the removal of T2 BPO's act only out of jealousy and ignorance. I don't own T2 bpo's, but I like to buy it. Thanks.
Kurieg Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.03.02 05:47:00 - [10] Quote: Invention will gradually increase supply in areas were there is a clear lack of supply and obsene prices, however, T2 production will always but faster, easier, more stable, more efficient, and be able to sell at lower cost. Removing T2 bpo's will lead to higher prices due to diminished supply and unstable component markets. People advocating the removal of T2 BPO's act only out of jealousy and ignorance. I don't own T2 bpo's, but I like to buy it. Thanks. It's pure speculation to try and predict the response of any T2 item that is currently selling for large margins over base cost. On the one hand, the raw BPC cost will go up no matter how cheap Invention becomes. On the other hand, competition will drive the profit margins down. Wherever the price point settles, all the popular components will continue to have a stable components market, because there will continue to be ISK to be made. At least, with Invention instead of the limited set of BPO lotteries, player demand will play a healthier role in determining supply than we currently see. I don't envy CCP on this issue at all. The T2 BPO lottery with a fixed number of BPOs was a bad design move. The supply side of the economics should have been tied into the demand side from the start. Trying to fix it now will inevitably **** off somebody a lot.

Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.03.02 05:55:00 - [11] If your T2 BPO is not an isk printing machine, then you should not be worried about loosing it. We do know many are not. Really. But that's besides the point.
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.02 06:03:00 - [12] Wow! It would almost seem like you're trying to straw-man the position that a T2 BPO is an ISK printing machine by pointing out how your's isn't. But wait a minute! No one uses smartbombs to start with! Everyone wants a faster, better, stronger cruiser! Maybe there would be a huge mark up on a limited supply item which everyone wants! Could it possibly be, that in fact there's a strong differential in the value of T2 items based on their usages and desirability as T1 items, and that perhaps the existence of T2 BPOs that are not profitable doesn't change the problem cited with T2, that it gives certain individuals, by chance, huge wealth possibilities? No of course not! Because that type of thinking is completely irrational
Celeste Coeval	Posted - 2007.03.02 06:08:00 - [13] Originally by: James Duar Wow! It would almost seem like you're trying to straw-man the position that a T2 BPO is an ISK printing machine by pointing out how your's isn't. But wait a minute! No one uses smartbombs to start with! Everyone wants a faster, better, stronger cruiser! Maybe there would be a huge mark up on a limited supply item which everyone wants! Could it possibly be, that in fact there's a strong differential in the value of T2 items based on their usages and desirability as T1 items, and that perhaps the existence of T2 BPOs that are not profitable doesn't change the problem cited with T2, that it gives certain individuals, by chance, huge wealth possibilities? No of course not! Because that type of thinking is completely irrational In Rens those modules are selling for a whole...wait for it... 75k each !!!! isk printer indeed. "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.03.02 06:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Alski Slightly condescending tone there, however I support this plan! Will be amusing to see people struggle with the skills and logistics required, never mind trying to sell em, that said 10 runs isnÆt much of a logistics challenge, itÆs the big stuff like 425mm rails and ships that takes real effot. This is just the start. If this all goes well and I crown several new T2 billionaires, I plan to have more and more of my T2 stuff given away free*!!! ---
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.03.02 06:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Mortania This is just the start. If this all goes well and I crown several new T2 billionaires, I plan to have more and more of my T2 stuff given away free!!! Simple counter argument: T2 BPOs are isk printing machines, 10-run T2 BPCs are not. Give away your BPO. t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."*
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.03.02 06:25:00 - [16] Edited by: Mortania on 02/03/2007 06:22:28 Originally by: Azerrad InExile Originally by: Mortania This is just the start. If this all goes well and I crown several new T2 billionaires, I plan to have more and more of my T2 stuff given away free*!!! Simple counter argument: T2 BPOs are isk printing machines, 10-run T2 BPCs are not. Give away your BPO. I refer you to the title of the thread. edit: How many free copies of this item do you require to print your money? ---
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.03.02 06:27:00 - [17] Originally by: Mortania Originally by: Azerrad InExile Originally by: Mortania This is just the start. If this all goes well and I crown several new T2 billionaires, I plan to have more and more of my T2 stuff given away free!!! Simple counter argument: T2 BPOs are isk printing machines, 10-run T2 BPCs are not. Give away your BPO. I refer you to the title of the thread. The title of the thread does not address that particular argument. t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."*
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.02 06:27:00 - [18] Originally by: Kurieg On the other hand, competition will drive the profit margins down. Wherever the price point settles, all the popular components will continue to have a stable components market, because there will continue to be ISK to be made. At least, with Invention instead of the limited set of BPO lotteries, player demand will play a healthier role in determining supply than we currently see. Of course invention will lower prices, particularly in areas with high margins. My point, to make it clear, was that since it will always be cheap and more efficient to produce from a BPO than with invention, equilibrium price will always be lower with BPO's ingame than without.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.02 06:30:00 - [19] Originally by: James Duar Wow! It would almost seem like you're trying to straw-man the position that a T2 BPO is an ISK printing machine by pointing out how your's isn't. But wait a minute! No one uses smartbombs to start with! Everyone wants a faster, better, stronger cruiser! Maybe there would be a huge mark up on a limited supply item which everyone wants! Could it possibly be, that in fact there's a strong differential in the value of T2 items based on their usages and desirability as T1 items, and that perhaps the existence of T2 BPOs that are not profitable doesn't change the problem cited with T2, that it gives certain individuals, by chance, huge wealth possibilities? No of course not! Because that type of thinking is completely irrational Yes the OP's argument is stupid. Invention will fix any markets in which current T2 production is inadequate (hacs, cap II's etc). That doesn't mean that BPO's shoud go or need to go. Amd like I said earlier, arguments against T2 BPO production mostly come from jealousy.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.02 06:32:00 - [20] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Originally by: Mortania This is just the start. If this all goes well and I crown several new T2 billionaires, I plan to have more and more of my T2 stuff given away free*!!! Simple counter argument: T2 BPOs are isk printing machines, 10-run T2 BPCs are not. Give away your BPO. Complexes are isk printing machines. They make even the best BPO's look poor.

Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.03.02 06:33:00 - [21] Originally by: Graalum Originally by: James Duar Wow! It would almost seem like you're trying to straw-man the position that a T2 BPO is an ISK printing machine by pointing out how your's isn't. But wait a minute! No one uses smartbombs to start with! Everyone wants a faster, better, stronger cruiser! Maybe there would be a huge mark up on a limited supply item which everyone wants! Could it possibly be, that in fact there's a strong differential in the value of T2 items based on their usages and desirability as T1 items, and that perhaps the existence of T2 BPOs that are not profitable doesn't change the problem cited with T2, that it gives certain individuals, by chance, huge wealth possibilities? No of course not! Because that type of thinking is completely irrational Yes the OP's argument is stupid. Invention will fix any markets in which current T2 production is inadequate (hacs, cap II's etc). That doesn't mean that BPO's shoud go or need to go. Amd like I said earlier, arguments against T2 BPO production mostly come from jealousy. I'm only trying to match the level of debate AND put my T2 BPOs where my mouth is. Read the blog response to invention. There are many claims that ALL T2 BPOs are vile and an unfair advantage. I'm currently disproving that argument. (Still no takers, not even 1). Prices are what they are because of supply and demand, not because of the lottery, not because of t2 cartels. But people don't believe that. So it's time for the clutching jealous ignorant people to put up or shut up. ---
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.03.02 06:34:00 - [22] Edited by: Azerrad InExile on 02/03/2007 06:33:40 Edited by: Azerrad InExile on 02/03/2007 06:32:51 Originally by: Graalum Complexes are isk printing machines. They make even the best BPO's look poor. I'd tend to agree with that, though I haven't personally done the math to compare them. Originally by: Mortania I'm only trying to match the level of debate AND put my T2 BPOs where my mouth is. Read the blog response to invention. There are many claims that ALL T2 BPOs are vile and an unfair advantage. I'm currently disproving that argument. (Still no takers, not even 1). Prices are what they are because of supply and demand, not because of the lottery, not because of t2 cartels. But people don't believe that. So it's time for the clutching jealous ignorant people to put up or shut up. You are doing so improperly though. If you were giving away the BPO, and not a mere 10-run BPC you might have something, but you aren't doing that for some reason. t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.03.02 06:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Edited by: Azerrad InExile on 02/03/2007 06:33:40 Edited by: Azerrad InExile on 02/03/2007 06:32:51 Originally by: Graalum Complexes are isk printing machines. They make even the best BPO's look poor. I'd tend to agree with that, though I haven't personally done the math to compare them. Originally by: Mortania I'm only trying to match the level of debate AND put my T2 BPOs where my mouth is. Read the blog response to invention. There are many claims that ALL T2 BPOs are vile and an unfair advantage. I'm currently disproving that argument. (Still no takers, not even 1). Prices are what they are because of supply and demand, not because of the lottery, not because of t2 cartels. But people don't believe that. So it's time for the clutching jealous ignorant people to put up or shut up. You are doing so improperly though. If you were giving away the BPO, and not a mere 10-run BPC you might have something, but you aren't doing that for some reason. Once again, how many runs do you need to print your money? I'm assuming an infinite number of BPCs is sufficient since that's all a BPO is. Is that the only number that prints money? I'm offering free 10 runs til the cows come home. You let me know how many of these you need to print your money. ---
Reggie Stoneloader eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.02 06:50:00 - [24] Originally by: Mortania it's time for the clutching jealous ignorant people to put up or shut up. Don't be idiotic. Nobody has ever made the claim that a BPO for a T2 small smartbomb would be a free fortune for whomever obtained it. Heck, T2 rage gremlin BPOs don't earn much, and neither do T2 XL shield boosters, since they're not very commonly used. It's not class warfare, as this thread implies, where the "clutching jealous ignorant" plebians rail against the landed gentry of the lotto winners. Just winning the lottery doesn't make you a bad person, and what resentment there is for the institution is not directed toward the individuals who hold the BPOs. So rein in the attitude.
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.03.02 06:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader Originally by: Mortania it's time for the clutching jealous ignorant people to put up or shut up. Don't be idiotic. Nobody has ever made the claim that a BPO for a T2 small smartbomb would be a free fortune for whomever obtained it. Heck, T2 rage gremlin BPOs don't earn much, and neither do T2 XL shield boosters, since they're not very commonly used. It's not class warfare, as this thread implies, where the "clutching jealous ignorant" plebians rail against the landed gentry of the lotto winners. Just winning the lottery doesn't make you a bad person, and what resentment there is for the institution is not directed toward the individuals who hold the BPOs. So rein in the attitude. You clearly don't keep up with the times. You should go read the mindless rants over in the invention blog thread. ---
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.03.02 06:55:00 - [26] Originally by: Mortania Once again, how many runs do you need to print your money? I'm assuming an infinite number of BPCs is sufficient since that's all a BPO is. Is that the only number that prints money? I'm offering free 10 runs til the cows come home. You let me know how many of these you need to print your money. Thats basically the argument as I have seen it: T2 BPOs are isk printers. I haven't seen anyone arguing against T2 BPCs. As far as how many is needed I would assume 1-run, but I'm not terribly interested in industry so I have very little interest in training the skills necessary just to take part in your experiment. If I had the BPO that might be a different matter though. The reverse question that can be asked, if this BPO is not an isk printer as people argue, why keep it? What good does it do you? Why not just give it away, recycle it, etc.. t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Brutor Shaun Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 07:01:00 - [27] What's the OP trying to prove here? You can have a BPC and if you can't produce something within a week then STFU whining? I have research agents. If one of them offers me a decent BPO, THEN I'll learn the skills and look into gathering the resources to produce. It'll probably take more than a week My skills
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.03.02 07:06:00 - [28] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Originally by: Mortania Once again, how many runs do you need to print your money? I'm assuming an infinite number of BPCs is sufficient since that's all a BPO is. Is that the only number that prints money? I'm offering free 10 runs til the cows come home. You let me know how many of these you need to print your money. Thats basically the argument as I have seen it: T2 BPOs are isk printers. I haven't seen anyone arguing against T2 BPCs. As far as how many is needed I would assume 1-run, but I'm not terribly interested in industry so I have very little interest in training the skills necessary just to take part in your experiment. If I had the BPO that might be a different matter though. The reverse question that can be asked, if this BPO is not an isk printer as people argue, why keep it? What good does it do you? Why not just give it away, recycle it, etc.. People effectively are. The price of this item is at a lower % profit than most t1 items and still doesn't sell. Rather than accept that T2 != printing money, it's time to move the discussion forward and start talking about the real problem: supply of a few very specific, select few items, that more people want than the current number of T2 BPOs can provide. The answer is that CCP needs to massively INCREASE the number of Vagabonds, Hulks, etc. to an ever increaseing in skills and number EVE population, just to keep the value the same. I'd argue that relatively, prices on T2 products have been dropping ever since they came out. Demand on these items has increased by many multiples, and yet pricing remains relatively flat or even more commonly dropped. Save for the Hulk, the Vagabond, the Cereberus, and maybe another HAC, prices have dropped over the last 6 months, and yet the population and number of users has increased steadily. It's time to end this haves vs. have nots debate and start talking about how to increase supply of these goods so that more people have access and once there is close to an equal supply and demand, competition in pricing can begin. Until then prices will not fall. PS: Carbide has many T2 BPOs. You know how we got them? We EARNED them. We mined, missioned, and ratted to sc*****ISK together to buy T1 goods, then invested that ISK in other more profitable T1 BPOs, working our way up the chain. We did get lottery BPOs, but they are for the most part similar to the Small EMP Smartbomb II. We have some that earn lots of money for us, but all of this still pales in comparison to our T1, Captial, mining, and T1 BPC production pipelines. ---
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.03.02 07:29:00 - [29] Originally by: Mortania ... The price of this item is at a lower % profit than most t1 items and still doesn't sell.... So your T2 BPO is crappy? If so, why the whine?
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.03.02 07:33:00 - [30] Originally by: Shameless Avenger Originally by: Mortania ... The price of this item is at a lower % profit than most t1 items and still doesn't sell.... So your T2 BPO is crappy? If so, why the whine? I explain that in the very post you quoted. ---



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