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![CHoKeD CHoKeD](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1685013603/portrait?size=64)
CHoKeD
Minmatar Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.03.03 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jane Spondogolo
Finally, CCP, Please consider that the community overwhelmingly is unhappy with the thought of GM's and Devs in the big alliances.
And again. Congrats on the job Enslaver. Hope you have fun with it.
The community? You can speak for everyone know? There are alot more people that DONT have an issue with it then people that do....
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![Richard Aiel Richard Aiel](https://images.evetech.net/characters/755754406/portrait?size=64)
Richard Aiel
Caldari The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.03.03 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: Coasterbrian There's two reasons why I feel that CCP cannot claim the moral high ground here:
1) From day one, CCP has permitted and even encouraged backstabbing, questionable tactics, and dishonorable conduct in Eve. This has escalated as time has gone on, and this is the result of the permission of such escalation. CCP condones spying, both in and out of game, and this is the logical progression. CCP brought this on themselves.
2) Quite simply, CCP banned Kugutsumen for, quite literally, nothing more than making their jobs harder. CCP ruined his game, and he has nothing to lose by ruining theirs. As best I can tell, he has done nothing illegal, and as such there is nothing they can do to him, especially when he resides on the otherside of the world (quite literally).
Yes, for all those people screaming that K should be thrown in the slammer... maybe hes not "hacking" anything. Maybe hes being a spy and finding this info out... or maybe he has spies that find out the info for him. And so far as Ive seen, spies are perfectly viable. *looks around the restaurant then look at his mate* "I wouldnt be greatly surprised if a little band came in and started playing *hums the Star Wars Cantina theme*" |
![Richard Aiel Richard Aiel](https://images.evetech.net/characters/755754406/portrait?size=64)
Richard Aiel
Caldari The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.03.03 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tweedle Dum
Originally by: Kraven Kor Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I don't see any hard evidence of The Enslaver doing anything wrong here. However, there have been quite a few devhaxsploit flags thrown up in regards to Lotka Volterra. I do not pronounce judgement, but there are allegations of GM favoritism in regards to petitions from certain GM's, and then the event LV might have gotten pre-info on which won them a mothership... Add that to my horrible track record with customer service (threatened with a ban when I asked to escalate a ship reimbursement, where BoB had killed my Hawk while it was stuck on a gate right around the TRUST take-down in ECP8R -- and 40 other ships had been moved by GM from that very gate, yet "their logs showed nothing") -- and maybe you can see how many players are more than a little concerned over all this stuff.
I'm still just gunshy to give CCP any money. I don't believe every word of Kugutsumen, but it is still obvious that there is more to this story than we are hearing.
I wish CCP could just hear the reactions of non-EVE players when I tell them the story -- and I do sincerely try to present both sides, because I do still think this whole episode could just be "Metagaming 3.0 -- win EVE war by destroying CCP." Nonetheless, I have no desire to PVP in the current environment, and I am absolutely disgusted by the sheer reported commonality of cheating and BS tactics in EVE -- from players, or allegedly from CCP staff.
I'm all for devs playing EVE, I'm all for them experiencing all aspects from 1.0 mining to 0.0 ganking and POS warfare. But it is more than clear that there is ample opportunity for devs, GM's, or ISD to tip the scales in player warfare. And even that perception is enough to dishearten many people -- call those people wussies all you want, but they are wussies that pay CCP good money and feel very much hurt by recent events.
For the love of Mike, CCP, please please please pull your heads out of the sand and make something happen. Again, I know you can't disclose much, I don't want to see devs not playing, I don't even want to see anyone fired. But we WILL hear about the fallout from other sources. And I remain a former customer until I start hearing some GOOD news about EVE. And not because of the allegations themselves, but rather how you have made such massive attempts to sweep this under the carpet (yes, that seems to have stopped, or this post would last all of 30 seconds )
This is mob mentality at it's best. One guy sparks something, and then 2 people believe it... I hear it from 2 people and therefore it must be true, so I believe it too.... and so on.
People have not stepped back once and looked at any of this from an unbiased standpoint. The fact is, you should allow people to make their own decisions and not tell everyone why they should believe yours. You may think your being fair to both sides, but are you really? Or are you more inclined to think like the mob.
Here's the irony of all this... if everyone wouldn't rush to Kugu and forum ***** about the devs and their expliots and LV and it's exploits, and Bob and it's exploits all day long, then you could be unbiased.
One guy is sparking mayheim against people he doesn't like. And everyone supporting him as an unbiased and infallable source is feeding the fire.
Leave things be.
And if none of it were ever true, people wouldnt be rushing to him and believing him...
*looks around the restaurant then look at his mate* "I wouldnt be greatly surprised if a little band came in and started playing *hums the Star Wars Cantina theme*" |
![Richard Aiel Richard Aiel](https://images.evetech.net/characters/755754406/portrait?size=64)
Richard Aiel
Caldari The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.03.03 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Static Ga'lraith
Originally by: El'Niaga I feel I need to say something.you shouldn't call him a hacker until such time as he's convicted of hacking.
He has been convicted before for being naughty to the FBI.
Really? post his arrest record if yer in possession of such info
*looks around the restaurant then look at his mate* "I wouldnt be greatly surprised if a little band came in and started playing *hums the Star Wars Cantina theme*" |
![pylons38 pylons38](https://images.evetech.net/characters/726492326/portrait?size=64)
pylons38
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.03 06:58:00 -
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Edited by: pylons38 on 03/03/2007 06:55:08 Maybe CCP should actually DO something. The "personal attacks" the CCP staff is getting is a result of their actions, or lack of.
Hmm what to do? Let's see...fire t20? Don't let devs play? Their internal control department is obviously incompetent.
I think these "attacks" might be stopped it CCP makes it so the whole eve community isn't disadvantaged by those who have inside information.
I wonder when the subscriptions will start getting cancelled. I know I'm close to it.
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![Aelena Thraant Aelena Thraant](https://images.evetech.net/characters/900234847/portrait?size=64)
Aelena Thraant
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.03 07:09:00 -
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Congrats Enslaver on the job... Sorry things worked out like this. He who shall not be named should quit while he still has some fans.
Ok For Anyone that has a problem with this.... Here is what I want you to do.
1. Log in Each of your Characters. 2. Transfer All Isk to Aelena Thraant 3. Contract all items to Aelena Thraant 4. Log Off 5. Click My Account 6. Edit Subscription details 7. Cancel account
Thanks ![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
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![Ghitza Ghitza](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1251297810/portrait?size=64)
Ghitza
Backup Squad
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Posted - 2007.03.03 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: Ghitza on 03/03/2007 07:35:13 I still dont trust CCP, sorry. This scandal broken everything in case of abusing power by their employments.
At last CCP is doing something. Without this scandal they probably would do nothing. Thanks to that ebil 'hacker' who showed us what is going on.
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![Richard Aiel Richard Aiel](https://images.evetech.net/characters/755754406/portrait?size=64)
Richard Aiel
Caldari The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.03.03 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ghitza Edited by: Ghitza on 03/03/2007 07:35:13 I still dont trust CCP, sorry. This scandal broken everything in case of abusing power by their employments.
At last CCP is doing something. Without this scandal they probably would do nothing. Thanks to that ebil 'hacker' who showed us what is going on.
yay not everyone here is a fanboi alt lol
*looks around the restaurant then look at his mate* "I wouldnt be greatly surprised if a little band came in and started playing *hums the Star Wars Cantina theme*" |
![Bienurdau Hywoaf Bienurdau Hywoaf](https://images.evetech.net/characters/449031763/portrait?size=64)
Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar Matari Holo News Network
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Posted - 2007.03.03 07:45:00 -
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Well Kieron you ask Where is this going?
The obvious point from the perspective of K is that he plans to undermine CCP and EVE because of your retaliation against him for revealing corruption within your organization.
K may have had initially good motives. He may have thought he would help the game. But as is the case with at least one of your own Devs, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
There are no easy answers in life. You were tainted by the revelation that T20 had cheated in the past, and indeed that effects of that cheating was left in game of many months after its discovery only being removed after K's initial revelations.
I do not believe the The Enslaver has acted improperly. He seems to be innocent of any wrongdoing, and actually though he was a major mover and shaker and much of LVs success they owe to him, he was not a GM when we did those things. He moved his account to the back burner and has not actively participated in the last few months since his employment.
There are two paths that could solve the situation. Neither will be particularly well liked by CCP. However you have to look beyond personal inconvenience and decide what is best for EVE and CCP.
These have been expressed by others in this thread.
1. The first option is that you publish a list of all CCP employee controlled characters. I would not go to the length of saying which employee controlled which character but by publishing a list you get it all out at once. This option has the downside that from that time forward you will no longer be anonymous in the game.
2. The second option is that you retire all current CCP employee controlled characters. Retirement could take several forms. In its simplest form you close the accounts and leave them behind, the person is free after they leave CCP to play the character again. You might also could achieve the same effect by changing names and removing corp histories or crafting false corp histories for them. You maintain anonymity this way.
Why just these two options. Simple K has proven that he's going to continue to drip out these leaks. The only possible way you have to combat him is to remove the objects of his 'leaks'. In essence setting him back to nothing.
K isn't going to give up, and even if you did find some way to permanently silence him, others would just pick up where he leaves off.
You need also as El'Niaga pointed out to examine how your employees interact with the rest of eve. Recommendations that they do not engage in teamspeak or ventril, that they avoid alliance/corp forums, and avoid other eve sites that are not controlled by CCP are to protect CCP and its employees. It appears most of K's information has come from these sources, and it is likely that others may have unintentionally assisted friends by the slip of the tongue.
Perhaps CCP should look into a master Killboard, one that when the game mails a kill mail it also sends it to a master killboard automatically. By controlling said killboard you would have more control over its use.
The same might be for Corp and Alliance forums, perhaps CCP should look into offering such or improving in game tools such that they are not needed. By taking it under your control you would have legal recourse if the information was misused.
It might also be time to examine how we allow characters on the same account to be used. It might be time to force all characters on the same account to be in the same corp/alliance in order to avoid some of this unpleasantness.
As I said its not easy choices. But you have to do something or its only going to get worse I think. K is in vengeance mode, vengeance seldom looks to itself or the unintended consequences of its actions. It exists only to self indulge itself. It most often destroys the perpetrator as it does the intended target. You have to break the cycle before it destroys over a decades worth of work.
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![Barwinius Barwinius](https://images.evetech.net/characters/742329267/portrait?size=64)
Barwinius
Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.03 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: Fulber Welcome to metagaming.
- Gaining access to your enemy's TS - Obtaining leaked information from your enemy's forums - Performing log-in traps - Evading hostiles by logging off - Infiltrating an enemy with an alt - Finding any ISD/Aurora/GMs/Devs in the enemy ranks and outing them publicly.
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![Richard Aiel Richard Aiel](https://images.evetech.net/characters/755754406/portrait?size=64)
Richard Aiel
Caldari The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.03.03 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf lots of stuff
The only problem is that no matter what CCP does, theyre still gonna have the tin hat guys buggin them... If they go the way of the list, there will still be ppl that say "well that cant be ALL the devs theres gotta be more" If they go the way of retirement, ppl will still think theres Gms out there. Its gotten waaaay past the point of no return, where everyone's major accomplishments are going to inevitably tainted with thoughts of "I bet theyre being helped by the devs". Wether or not K is around
*looks around the restaurant then look at his mate* "I wouldnt be greatly surprised if a little band came in and started playing *hums the Star Wars Cantina theme*" |
![Bienurdau Hywoaf Bienurdau Hywoaf](https://images.evetech.net/characters/449031763/portrait?size=64)
Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar Matari Holo News Network
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Posted - 2007.03.03 08:07:00 -
[342]
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf lots of stuff
The only problem is that no matter what CCP does, theyre still gonna have the tin hat guys buggin them... If they go the way of the list, there will still be ppl that say "well that cant be ALL the devs theres gotta be more" If they go the way of retirement, ppl will still think theres Gms out there. Its gotten waaaay past the point of no return, where everyone's major accomplishments are going to inevitably tainted with thoughts of "I bet theyre being helped by the devs". Wether or not K is around
Well even if they retired all their characters they have now I would suggest they make new characters. Its about damage control more than personal inconvenience.
Doing nothing will most certainly make it get worse over time. Even if they don't like my recommendations or others here they have to take some sort of action.
If they had handled the t20 incident back when it occured in accordance with company policy, then I don't think we'd see the outcry we have now. You can't go back and change the past though, so they made a bed they have to live to.
They can't remain solely in reaction mode though, they'll fail if they do, they have to become proactive in order to save CCP and EVE. The damage won't be to EVE alone, look at what happened to SOE after the NGE rollout of SWG, they suffered across the board. If they don't head this off then their deal with White Wolf for a World of Darkness MMORPG will also suffer.
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![Richard Aiel Richard Aiel](https://images.evetech.net/characters/755754406/portrait?size=64)
Richard Aiel
Caldari The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.03.03 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf lots of stuff
The only problem is that no matter what CCP does, theyre still gonna have the tin hat guys buggin them... If they go the way of the list, there will still be ppl that say "well that cant be ALL the devs theres gotta be more" If they go the way of retirement, ppl will still think theres Gms out there. Its gotten waaaay past the point of no return, where everyone's major accomplishments are going to inevitably tainted with thoughts of "I bet theyre being helped by the devs". Wether or not K is around
Well even if they retired all their characters they have now I would suggest they make new characters. Its about damage control more than personal inconvenience.
Doing nothing will most certainly make it get worse over time. Even if they don't like my recommendations or others here they have to take some sort of action.
If they had handled the t20 incident back when it occured in accordance with company policy, then I don't think we'd see the outcry we have now. You can't go back and change the past though, so they made a bed they have to live to.
They can't remain solely in reaction mode though, they'll fail if they do, they have to become proactive in order to save CCP and EVE. The damage won't be to EVE alone, look at what happened to SOE after the NGE rollout of SWG, they suffered across the board. If they don't head this off then their deal with White Wolf for a World of Darkness MMORPG will also suffer.
Actually not so much... the WW guys dont care AT ALL about whats happening here. I found several posts on their message boards about this problem, and the posts therte have like 5 replies total lol They just dont care...
*looks around the restaurant then look at his mate* "I wouldnt be greatly surprised if a little band came in and started playing *hums the Star Wars Cantina theme*" |
![Kernel Sander Kernel Sander](https://images.evetech.net/characters/804152668/portrait?size=64)
Kernel Sander
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Posted - 2007.03.03 08:58:00 -
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None of this would be a problem if CCP were more honest and forthcoming about problems. The players tend to distrust CCP because CCP have done nothing to earn player trust. I'm sorry, but those really are the facts. You bungled the t20 fiasco badly. The wall of secrecy when the allegations first came up, the ridiculous silencing of concern on the forums, the poorly managed attempt at a cover up, followed by a half-confession from t20 (who even then got to keep his job).
How can you, Arkanon, seriously get on your high-horse about this? I work in the profession, I hate the kind of people who break into networks and steal information, and I am naturally the sort who would take your side... but CCP has flubbed badly on dealing with allegations of cheating. DO BETTER, and people will come around. You need to make a real effort at transparency. You cannot simply demand respect in this area, you have to earn it and so far you have done nothing to earn it.
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![Bienurdau Hywoaf Bienurdau Hywoaf](https://images.evetech.net/characters/449031763/portrait?size=64)
Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar Matari Holo News Network
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Posted - 2007.03.03 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Aiel
Actually not so much... the WW guys dont care AT ALL about whats happening here. I found several posts on their message boards about this problem, and the posts therte have like 5 replies total lol They just dont care...
Believe me that if K is continuing his campaign against CCP when WoD comes out, then it will become a hot topic and it will be counterproductive to the rollout of that game.
He's not going to stop, the only way to stop him is to remove his perceived edge, to marginilize him. The only way to do that is to take from him that which he most wants. He's delighting in slowly outing Dev and GM characters, whether or not they have done wrong because he makes him feel superior.
Thus my suggestions because if implemented he would no longer have that edge and without it he would most likely become bored in time and move on.
If you leave him out there as a thorn in the side, the thorn will eventually get past the skin and destroy something more vital....
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![Zothike Zothike](https://images.evetech.net/characters/786037290/portrait?size=64)
Zothike
RABBLE-RABBLE
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Posted - 2007.03.03 09:02:00 -
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Edited by: Zothike on 03/03/2007 09:02:16 NO ccp employee involved in 0.0 politic and i like this kind of thread as it's an insta identifier (unless they hide with alts) of all theses Moron that are see no evil in all this when they are on BoB side
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![RaBbLe66 RaBbLe66](https://images.evetech.net/characters/892378642/portrait?size=64)
RaBbLe66
Amarr Amarr Dissidents Club
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Posted - 2007.03.03 09:49:00 -
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Kugutsumen exposed the T20 scandal, without that exposure the vast majority of the playerbase would have had no idea of the extent of the corruption that CCP has now admitted too.
The result of that exposure- The whistleblower has had all his accounts banned T20 got a slapped wrist BoB got off scott free BoB leadership who also bent the forum rules got off scott free CCP have whitewashed the whole incident, appointing a IA who works in complete secrecy.
So the only person who has actually been punished in all of this to any real extent is Kugutsumen. those actually involved have not.
Would I be ****ed ? Damn right I would Would I make sure that CCP lives were a misery for as long as I could Damn right I would
I dont like some of the tactics that Kugutsumen is alleged to use, but given the situation I can understand why he may use them
CCP mishandled the whole situation and made a scapegoat of the wrong person, now that is coming home to roost.
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![RaBbLe66 RaBbLe66](https://images.evetech.net/characters/892378642/portrait?size=64)
RaBbLe66
Amarr Amarr Dissidents Club
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Posted - 2007.03.03 09:53:00 -
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Question for Arkanon..
Was the GM seen and screenshotted scouting around Goonfleet POS's the Enslavers GM personality ?
and if so..
Is that an abuse of GM powers?
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![RaBbLe66 RaBbLe66](https://images.evetech.net/characters/892378642/portrait?size=64)
RaBbLe66
Amarr Amarr Dissidents Club
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Posted - 2007.03.03 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: kieron and the shameful publishing of private information. [/url].
Given this Kieron..
Why was the "Shamefull publishing" of Kugutsumens personal information by Sir Molle and DBpreacher also not acted upon?
Sorry but Double standards seem to apply here
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![Zaqar Zaqar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/489068068/portrait?size=64)
Zaqar
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Posted - 2007.03.03 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: RaBbLe66 Question for Arkanon..
Was the GM seen and screenshotted scouting around Goonfleet POS's the Enslavers GM personality ?
and if so..
Is that an abuse of GM powers?
Originally by: kieron For the record, The Enslaver is not GM Sunshine, Ytterbium or Zhainius.
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![Vyktor Abyss Vyktor Abyss](https://images.evetech.net/characters/938716338/portrait?size=64)
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2007.03.03 11:09:00 -
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It is sad when people take the GAME too far.
Call the police and get them to 'nuke the site from orbit....Its the only way to be sure..' 'Game over man...GAME OVER!'
*ahem* too much Aliens.
- Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas |
![Mariko San Mariko San](https://images.evetech.net/characters/145574152/portrait?size=64)
Mariko San
Saints Surrounded
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Posted - 2007.03.03 11:20:00 -
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It saddens me that ccp staff seem to feel the need to be the most uber and strongest in the game, dont they get enough satisfaction from having created a great game that they have to stroke their e-peens from joining/forming the most powerful alliance their is, using their advanced knowledge of game mechanics, the direction the game is going, upcoming changes etc etc in order to give themselves an edge.
I do think that devs should play, but it should be in npc or empire dwelling corps only. If they need to get a taste of 0.0 life then contact one of the leads discretely and sign up for a month or two and then leave.
If they want to be bad-ass mmo players then go play WoW or some other game.
I do not believe that they would not be tempted to let slip things to give their side advantage and we have all seen that they were/are.
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![Yggdrassil Yggdrassil](https://images.evetech.net/characters/148323822/portrait?size=64)
Yggdrassil
STK Scientific INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.03 11:50:00 -
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@ The Enslaver: Gratz on your GM title.
@ whoever hacked/publicated the info: shame on you! Publicating stuff like that with proof or really good circumstansial evidence of wrong-doing is fine by me. Doing it without is a bitter mans work.
On the plus-side from all these allegations that has been made recently, and the factual wrong-doings that has been done, I am guessing that CCP are focusing more on checking their employees actions. Also, I am pretty sure that the employees themselves are more self-critic when they are performing tasks to make sure that their in-game bonds don't interfer with their decisions.
One thing that I would like set as a base rule is that when D2 petitions a loss vs BOB i.e., any GM with BOB OR LV characters is automatically disqualified from working on that petition (except from supplying facts that he personally has seen regarding the incident, of course). This would assure the community of a "fair trial" and ease the work for the GMs imo.
Another thing you could consider - though pretty tough and an invasion of privacy - is to install your own version of some "spyware" on your employees computers, so you at any time can check what the employee is doing (including TS, MSN etc etc). This would probably violate a lot of laws though. Yggdrassil |
![Silane Daktor Silane Daktor](https://images.evetech.net/characters/778579312/portrait?size=64)
Silane Daktor
Crimson Squall
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Posted - 2007.03.03 11:55:00 -
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Congrats to Ens, a well deserved appointment.
Shame on you Kugutsumen- I think your stirring, chest-beating and general whipping up of hysteria is bad for the game, bad for the community and is just serving your ends.
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![The Hanz The Hanz](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1479285413/portrait?size=64)
The Hanz
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.03 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: kieron Timing can be everything, especially where appearances are concerned. There are some members of the community that appear to be taking great delight in digging up what they think is mud and casting it about, even going so far as to delve into the private lives of CCP staff. Another such instance arose yesterday.
We hired a GM at the beginning of the year and before last summer's BP incident came to light. Now there are some community members arm chair coaching and saying we should not have hired this person back in January based on events that happened in February.
Where is this going? Arkanon has a new blog that was just published concerning the player whose employment at CCP was made public knowledge and the shameful publishing of private information. The comment thread will be left open for as long as the replies stay on topic and not degenerate into accusations, flaming, etc. We feel that no further comment on this non-issue is necessary. Statement regarding recent allegations of staff misconduct.
He can deal with it like everyone else. How did people find out he was a GM? Probably cause he told people. I've had friends banned for no reason and never breaking the EULA after years of playing because a GM was in an alliance he scammed "legally" ingame.
I have no sympathy as long as his job is not jeapordized.
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![Elve Sorrow Elve Sorrow](https://images.evetech.net/characters/421892370/portrait?size=64)
Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.03 12:52:00 -
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I could tell you noone in Shinra or LV had a clue he is a GM, but it's a pointless thing to do anyway.
We didn't know. All we know is Ens hasnt been playing since last December. Has not been involved in any fighting whatsoever. And now has to rename about 20 characters. Aswell as losing his reputation, which was rather major. Aswell as having wasted all the SP and ISK for the Titan. ("Hello, i've been in a noob corp since launch, have 60mill SP and can fly a Titan, can i join your corp?")
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![farfrael farfrael](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1010111515/portrait?size=64)
farfrael
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Posted - 2007.03.03 13:04:00 -
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Having done some reading recently on the whole mess (t20, GM in alliances etc) the only thing i can say is: CCP it stinks to high heaven !
I initially thought all these people making comments about CCP covering things up were paranoid and going over the top.
Well, no longer. The only thing I can say is that I am disgusted and ashamed for you CCP. The hypocrisy behind the whole thing is just breathtaking.
Keep pretending nothing happened and everything is under control. Keep putting your hand in the sand. Oh and keep pretending Eve is a sandbox where everybody plays by the same rules. Except there are a few bullies around whacking people they don't like in total impunity. And the bullies work for CCP. CCP who keeps claiming that everything is going juuust fine, thank you very much.
In the meantime, people of Eve, read and make up your mind:
Blue news Escapist 1 Escapist 2 Slashdot kugutsumen's forums
Is CCP to be trusted? 1 hour ago I would have said yes. Now i have to say emphatically NO.
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![Emily Spankratchet Emily Spankratchet](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1017646167/portrait?size=64)
Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar Pragmatics
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Posted - 2007.03.03 13:05:00 -
[358]
Clearly, the only solution is:
1) Stop anyone in Iceland playing the game. They're all clearly Devs, GMs, or friends of Devs/GMs and can't be trusted. Even the ones that aren't.
2) Stop any CCP employee playing the game. Even on the test servers, just in case.
3) Stop employing anyone who knows anything about the game. If they know about the game, they must have been playing it. If they have been playing it, they'll obviously be corrupted as soon as they join CCP.
4) Outsource all Dev/GM work to another country. India might be a good choice - they have a booming IT industry and probably don't have a lot of EvE players.
There you have it - perfect solution to the problem. Okay, so EvE will be awful, but you can't make a wheelbarrow without breaking eggs.
FFS, whiners, haven't you cancelled your subscriptions and left yet?
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![Static Ga'lraith Static Ga'lraith](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1150716521/portrait?size=64)
Static Ga'lraith
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.03 13:10:00 -
[359]
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Static Ga'lraith
Originally by: El'Niaga I feel I need to say something.you shouldn't call him a hacker until such time as he's convicted of hacking.
He has been convicted before for being naughty to the FBI.
Really? post his arrest record if yer in possession of such info
Firstly, I am not the type of person to post people's confidential information about other players in this game. (K's conviction is now in the public domain and has been for a while, so unfortunately it is no longer confidential, persay.)
Secondly, Hubris effectively confirmed that this information was correct with the post he made answering my previous one.
Please insert coin and try again. ----------------
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![Zombak Zombak](https://images.evetech.net/characters/948893952/portrait?size=64)
Zombak
Caldari Shooshpunk
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Posted - 2007.03.03 13:39:00 -
[360]
Gentlemen, you reap exactly what you sow. First you supported metagaming (in fact social engineering, hacking etc ). Then you complain that some 3rd party reveals information about your employers. It very incoherent and hypocritical at best. Dont do unto others what you dont want to be done to you.
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