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Frygok Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:30:00 - [811] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Prydeless You make it sound like its bad to post rl info on forums, might want to clarify that with your leader on where you guys stand on that issue... Its a good thing when it comes to hackers. So to fight lawbreakers you should break the law yourself? Interesting view. One could argue though, following that line of thought, that the hacker was in his right to break the law, as he found that others were breaking the rules of this game.
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.03.17 04:46:00 - [812] Originally by: Richard Aiel snip - please don't go off topic and don't troll. -Ivan K I wish I remembered what I said that was so important that TWO forum mopds took notice O.o Dont Troll -Eldo Hey!! Thats not my sig!!!
maGz Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.03.17 23:06:00 - [813] Edited by: maGz on 17/03/2007 23:02:50 I feel for The Enslaver as a normal player... HOWEVER I can't help but laugh at CCP in this situation. The way you guys handled the T20 situation pretty much resulted in you digging yourselves deeper into the dirt. Banning a player for what essentially was the truth, can only have one outcome. And that is that player becoming even more **ed with you guys. Stop trying to act all innocent - you **** up before, and this blog/thread does nothing else but show the inadequacies of CCP when the heat is on. You get 2/10, 1 for effort, 1 for sheer amusement factor. ____________ Coming soon...
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.03.18 21:17:00 - [814] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Prydeless You make it sound like its bad to post rl info on forums, might want to clarify that with your leader on where you guys stand on that issue... Its a good thing when it comes to hackers. Of course, you will say that. But as far as we`ve been told, something should have happened from that thingie... No fan of Kugutsumen here (frankly, I would have preferred to stay in the dark here, and stupidly believe EvE was different from other games I played) but I... ¿like¿... what he does (Err... I feel kinda stupid about it, but I guess it`s ok to know CCP feels pressured somehow to fix all this crap. For that, K is doing an ok job). Yes, the Enslaver stuff was stupid. As someone said before, he got cought in the crossfire between CCP and K. K felt dared, and posted that. Hmm... As for this new info... There is some foul play there, yes. Not as big as the T20 incident, yes. But still quite interesting stuff there. Still... I`m not so naive to think only GM`s/Devs in BoB commit foul play (BTW, zero level of discretion in your forums). So don`t play the bandwagoner card on me (as I`m not, as I want both sides to lose, if possible)
Et alii The Syndicate.	Posted - 2007.03.18 22:46:00 - [815] Edited by: Et alii on 18/03/2007 22:42:40 Originally by: Rikeka Hmm... As for this new info... There is some foul play there, yes. Not as big as the T20 incident, yes. But still quite interesting stuff there. Im sorry but there is nothing new or foul in that info, if u didn't play back then u might think so due to the way it's presented but those tests where public knowlege and not only offered to / done by Evolution.
s4mp3r0r ZiTek Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.03.19 09:09:00 - [816] Originally by: Et alii Edited by: Et alii on 18/03/2007 22:42:40 Originally by: Rikeka Hmm... As for this new info... There is some foul play there, yes. Not as big as the T20 incident, yes. But still quite interesting stuff there. Im sorry but there is nothing new or foul in that info, if u didn't play back then u might think so due to the way it's presented but those tests where public knowlege and not only offered to / done by Evolution. If this was public knowledge how come people are so outraged by it, this clearly shows that most people DID NOT know. I for one did not know.
Josan Alfuano	Posted - 2007.03.19 10:43:00 - [817] Eh, I'm away for three weeks and someone decides to be an a-hole, huh? I have several friends who describe themselves as "hackers." My understanding is that the term encompasses what someone is reputed to do, not what they are convicted of. It is a term that is used by several people I know who do various things, including computer security and IT management. So I don't know why people are in such a tizzy over the term "hacker" being used by CCP. It's tossed around like candy around where I live. There's no component of it that requires a conviction or even formal charge, merely a reputation. That being said, I don't care what the context is or who did what to whom. Nothing good comes from posting accusations, particularly such meaningless ones as what led to this blog. Hell, I "knew" that T2 BPOs were going to drop in value because I read what was publically available on this website. The accusations here are completely worthless and represent an attack on the game itself. I was in the open period of the beta and subscribed on the first day Eve was available in the U.S. though I subsequently left. I don't think that it ever crossed my mind that CCP would not be playing the game; even then it was so complicated they NEEDED to play, and with today's server loads it is even more critical as CCP has stated numerous times that most bugs only crop up when there's over 10,000 users online and SiSi can't duplicate that. I fully expect that CCP employees will be engaged in all parts of Eve, from Exploration to mining to missions to pvp, and that different employees will partake in every aspect of the game, just as the rest of us do. I came back to Eve because it has that special spark. There are those here on this forum who are very vocal about CCP being a business and having to remain impartial and unbiased. That is garbage. CCP is Eve. Eve remains their sole product, though that will be changing with the merger with White Wolf. I don't know a restaraunt that does not give its employees either free or discounted meals, and few stores do not offer merchendise perks to their employees. Service-oriented corporations also have special rates for employees who use them. Frankly, any business whose employees do not utilize their services would be suspect in my mind. I will not play a game where the employees are not actively engaged in the game. I will only play a game where the employees are passionate and have a stake in the health and not just success of the product. I don't play many games, period, I lack the time. I don't really have time for Eve, but I still give them my subscription fees as I train my toons. K's purpose apparently is in torpedoing the only game I have found worthy of my money, and one of the few companies that seems to care about its player base. He doesn't care about any of us, only his ego. He sounds like a minority party spokesperson, red flagging empty air in a desperate attempt to be relevant again. Enslaver, I've never met you in-game. I've known of you, of course. I read your posts on the forum occassionally. I wish you well, and I am glad that CCP pulls GMs from the ranks of those who can place petitions in context of gameplay.
Toshiro Khan Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.19 12:46:00 - [818] Originally by: s4mp3r0r If this was public knowledge how come people are so outraged by it, this clearly shows that most people DID NOT know. I for one did not know. Maybe because, those who didn't know about them, or are crying foul.. wasn't even playing the game back then. Its interesting how people are crying about it, when they wasn't about back then and have failed to take note of the dates. Should I be outraged that I knew about these tests, and that those who wasn't playing the game or failed to pay attention to the forums back then, or have even forgotten about it are crying foul... hmmm maybe I should be. TBH its getting sick how many folks are joining in this witch hunt and now attacking innocent people all because some bully boy crybaby hacker didn't get his own way. Maybe CCP should just start banning those idiots from the peanut gallery who just post snide comments and false claims against them and their staff. Yes T20 was in the wrong.. Yes, his punishment at the time wasn't great.. but the fact is he was punished and he can't be punished again for a second time. As for those crying for the banning of SirMolle ... how about this, SirMolle gets banned.. and in return all memebers of goonswarm and their close friends who was playing before the revelations patch are banned for client hacking. I belive thats totally fair and square, that way everyone is happy as justice all round will have been served.
s4mp3r0r ZiTek Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.03.19 12:48:00 - [819] Edited by: s4mp3r0r on 19/03/2007 12:44:59 once again, show me the link where it's said by CCP that the Goonies hacked the client and as such it was deemed illegal. SirMolle DID break forum rules in a disgusting manner and should be punished by banning.
Et alii The Syndicate.	Posted - 2007.03.19 13:12:00 - [820] Originally by: s4mp3r0r If this was public knowledge how come people are so outraged by it, this clearly shows that most people DID NOT know. I for one did not know. Becuase alot of them probably didn't play back then or just didn't pay attention to stuff like that, The test in question was annonced to the evol members the 15/11 -04 according to the posts , the patch went live within 2 weeks after this, on the test server at the time your skill training was done 10 times faster iirc and everything was available to test so the only differance was that they got maxed chars and given a specific objective to test. This was allso given to other corps / alliances, i knew about it and i was fairly new to the game at the time and didn't know anyone in either Evol or ASCN that is confirmed to have done these tests, so hardly a hidden fact that the tests where done. Originally by: s4mp3r0r once again, show me the link where it's said by CCP that the Goonies hacked the client and as such it was deemed illegal. There are screenshots of the client hack they used, iirc u can find a few admissions that it was widely used aswell if u got the time to poke around the forums enough. Taken from the EULA. 2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played. 3. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. They did modify it, the fact that it later became a feature doesn't change the fact that they broke the EULA at the time.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.03.19 20:40:00 - [821] You can`t trade one thing for another.
s4mp3r0r ZiTek Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.03.20 13:24:00 - [822] Originally by: Et alii You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. They did modify it, the fact that it later became a feature doesn't change the fact that they broke the EULA at the time. True, i totally agree with you. Problem is that CCP did nothing about this and has even encouraged other client hacks by using it after some people adjusted the client. CCP cannot ban everyone involved as the screenshots can be photoshopped, an extra problem is that they will probably also have no way to check how many people used this (our logs show nothing). CCP is not clear about this in the sense that people should have been punished but it was never announced why this particular hack was let through. In the SirMolle case, there is still proof on eve search among other places. So : There is no official word about this No way to prove this anymore No transparancy about rules and/or steps taken to prevent this in the future. All these things need rapid improvement. However the IA guy is not doing anything to solve this. In his defense his job iss difficult with all the metagaming going on. He needs to be a tophacker/top spy in all the alliances to know what alliance knows about hack X or which GM announces secret omgnoeshax info to his corp/alliance. Also having rules and then having staff break those same rules also does not work in favour of CCP being consistent. Like kieron/riekon accountsharing and even worse the fact that this was known to be his old account to a few non CCP people. Consistency, clear and equal enforcement of rules and most important, something that CCP clearly cannot / does not / will not grasp : "Lead by example".
Et alii The Syndicate.	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:56:00 - [823] Edited by: Et alii on 20/03/2007 16:55:05 Originally by: s4mp3r0r Like kieron/riekon accountsharing and even worse the fact that this was known to be his old account to a few non CCP people. It was allowed back then to give accounts away, u realy need to stop taking everything said as truths as u clearly don't know the history of said "facts" And asking for consistency is fine and all that but to bring up 2-3 year old stuff isn't realy an argument for consistency today as rules have changed over time as shown above.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.21 22:20:00 - [824] Any reaction Arkanon on the rumor that a lot of ISD is getting replaced/removed? -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft.
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.21 22:32:00 - [825] Originally by: s4mp3r0r ... There was some word about sirmolle they pointed link at his eve-o post and the answer was "A name, and the country you leave is a bit -light- for revealing personal information." or something like that. ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Soon Tzu	Posted - 2007.03.23 13:38:00 - [826] the t2 broom is still working overtime I see. Weeks and months go by, and ccp hires Arkanon as their new pr janitor, and either he is busy sweeping, or on a long term coffee break... Why is it so hard for the person that has a job to do it (part of the job was to answer our questions regarding the corruption in ccp ranks was it not?) Status
Et alii The Syndicate.	Posted - 2007.03.23 23:26:00 - [827] Originally by: Soon Tzu the t2 broom is still working overtime I see. Weeks and months go by, and ccp hires Arkanon as their new pr janitor, and either he is busy sweeping, or on a long term coffee break... Why is it so hard for the person that has a job to do it (part of the job was to answer our questions regarding the corruption in ccp ranks was it not?) If u read he's introduction blog again u will see a description of he's job and answering questions to the general public wasn't one of them.
Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2007.03.24 12:21:00 - [828] Originally by: maGz Edited by: maGz on 17/03/2007 23:02:50 I feel for The Enslaver as a normal player... HOWEVER I can't help but laugh at CCP in this situation. The way you guys handled the T20 situation pretty much resulted in you digging yourselves deeper into the dirt. Banning a player for what essentially was the truth, can only have one outcome. And that is that player becoming even more **ed with you guys. Stop trying to act all innocent - you **** up before, and this blog/thread does nothing else but show the inadequacies of CCP when the heat is on. You get 2/10, 1 for effort, 1 for sheer amusement factor. Word. I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Soon Tzu	Posted - 2007.03.24 17:16:00 - [829] Originally by: Et alii Originally by: Soon Tzu the t2 broom is still working overtime I see. Weeks and months go by, and ccp hires Arkanon as their new pr janitor, and either he is busy sweeping, or on a long term coffee break... Why is it so hard for the person that has a job to do it (part of the job was to answer our questions regarding the corruption in ccp ranks was it not?) If u read he's introduction blog again u will see a description of he's job and answering questions to the general public wasn't one of them. oh you mean this one ? http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=429 where he says this: "First and foremost, I still consider myself a GM, here to serve the game, the players and CCP, in no particular order." top that with the FACT we are told time and time again to ask our questions in here... meh, so much smoke being blown you could cure a ham. Status
s4mp3r0r ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.03.24 22:38:00 - [830] still no answer huh ?
Et alii The Syndicate.	Posted - 2007.03.24 22:54:00 - [831] Originally by: Soon Tzu oh you mean this one ? http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=429 where he says this: "First and foremost, I still consider myself a GM, here to serve the game, the players and CCP, in no particular order." top that with the FACT we are told time and time again to ask our questions in here... meh, so much smoke being blown you could cure a ham. How u get that part to that he shuld act as the community manager and answer all your questions is beyond me. He's job is simply to keep track of CCP employes accounts and actions to prevent anything like the t20 incident hapening again, if he discovers something and CCP feel that it's something that shuld be shared with the community im sure u will hear about it.
Bienurdau Hywoaf Minmatar Matari Holo News Network	Posted - 2007.03.25 08:45:00 - [832] What I find deplorable is in the blog and in the original post of this threat they clearly, Arkanon and Kieron are asking for player input. Yet now for almost 3 weeks they have not replied or interacted at all with the players. It shows that they really have no interest in cleaning the slate and are hoping it will still pass with time. However in my life experiences you can never run from your mistakes, they always catch up with you. It is unclear whether their silence is from themselves or ordered by higher ups, but it is the wrong measure. They could easily move past this by addressing the concerns of the player base publicly. By providing more transparency and setting the minds of players at ease. Until they do so, I feel this is something that will forever shadow CCP and any of its achievements. It will also shadow BoB. No matter what they achieve, no matter what has happened or what will happen they will always be remembered for the cheating of a CCP employee. That's what folks in the general gaming community are going to remember, because that's what they have read and seen. The helmsmen needs to wake up...... Idea: Treaties Idea: Jump Rigs
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.03.25 18:07:00 - [833]
s4mp3r0r ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.03.26 14:27:00 - [834] unbelievable.
OuZiE Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2007.03.26 18:31:00 - [835] Arkanon, could you please confirm the following: t20 has a new character in coreli, name is "Kalhystia"
Soon Tzu	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:46:00 - [836] Originally by: Et alii Originally by: Soon Tzu oh you mean this one ? http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=429 where he says this: "First and foremost, I still consider myself a GM, here to serve the game, the players and CCP, in no particular order." top that with the FACT we are told time and time again to ask our questions in here... meh, so much smoke being blown you could cure a ham. How u get that part to that he shuld act as the community manager and answer all your questions is beyond me. He's job is simply to keep track of CCP employes accounts and actions to prevent anything like the t20 incident hapening again, if he discovers something and CCP feel that it's something that shuld be shared with the community im sure u will hear about it. point to where it says that is his only function...point to it. i quote what he said "...here to serve the game, the players and CCP, in no particular order." ...now that does say he has a duty to answer questions since that is serving the players. Stop inhaling that smoke you are blowing. Status
s4mp3r0r ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:19:00 - [837] t-20 joining Coreli and giving out Capital Ship advice. Can this be investigated please ?
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.27 12:08:00 - [838] Originally by: s4mp3r0r t-20 joining Coreli and giving out Capital Ship advice. Can this be investigated please ? Getting a bit ridiculous now... I've read the advice he gave and it's nothing that most alliances didn't already know.
Karmae Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.27 13:00:00 - [839] Originally by: Xelios Originally by: s4mp3r0r t-20 joining Coreli and giving out Capital Ship advice. Can this be investigated please ? Getting a bit ridiculous now... I've read the advice he gave and it's nothing that most alliances didn't already know. It would be nice if CCP gave EVERYONE detailed information such as that provided to 'select' corps/alliances. And this seems to be a bit of a recurring theme over the scandals so far. Favouritism If a senior CCP employee with in-depth knowledge of the workings of capital fleets can be bothered to write such a summary/guide for his in-game homies, shouldn't this be provided as a matter of course for ALL eve players? ==================== There is 10 types of people in this world... Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.27 13:17:00 - [840] I don't see much on that particular forum post that is untoward. There are enough players in Eve with that level of knowledge. What's more alarming is the clear level of corruption amongst the events team. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!

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