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Intoccabile
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Posted - 2003.12.18 08:28:00 -
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If you would rather not see a rollback to pre-Castor then post here.
If you would like to see a rollback post on the other thread.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.12.18 08:30:00 -
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Why would we rollback? No way. Just fix the damn problems.
Veruna Caseti
Ishukone |
Manfred Doomhammer
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Posted - 2003.12.18 08:32:00 -
[3]
roleback? what for?
id hate to loose a single minute of training/gaiming experience, especially now npcs are cool out there!!
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Manfred Doomhammer
Fleet Admiral
CEO ShadowTec Inc.
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Laughter
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Posted - 2003.12.18 08:33:00 -
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No rollback.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.12.18 08:34:00 -
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No rollback, or else i want my skilltraining not to be effected.
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Nightfang
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Posted - 2003.12.18 08:35:00 -
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No rollback!
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Xeris
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Posted - 2003.12.18 08:37:00 -
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Rollbacks are for suckers.
Too lazy to get my sig changed |
Virtuoso
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Posted - 2003.12.18 08:38:00 -
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Edited by: Virtuoso on 18/12/2003 08:39:14
No way 
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.12.18 08:40:00 -
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Rollbacks are for suckers.
Nah, they're to remove the umpty-ump original blueprints and ultra-rare stuff that got given out by mistake. But if they can find some other way of taking them back out and re-levelling the playing field, I'm with you - a rollback is the last possible resort.
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"Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age." |
cball
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Posted - 2003.12.18 08:44:00 -
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no
whiners just need a cookie...
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.12.18 08:45:00 -
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Quote:
No rollback!
Troll, keep it either rollback or no rollback, you can't post both.
Since I posted this in this thread I suppose you know what I'm thinking.
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Buddrow
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Posted - 2003.12.18 08:46:00 -
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is there a valid argument to roll back?
me thinks not.
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Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
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John Bishop
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Posted - 2003.12.18 08:52:00 -
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rollbacks are for those who dont have the graymatter between the ears to adapt to adversity.
i welcome the new challenges of hunting npcs in deep space, and the challenge of coming up with new tactics for pvp. it would be boring to win all the time dont you think.
if you want to win all the time go play a fps with god mode. other wise chin up and get back to work.
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sorry for the spelling and gramtic errors,,, im a redneck cowboy what did you expect anyways????
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Carp Riddell
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Posted - 2003.12.18 08:55:00 -
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No rollback.
- Carp Riddell
- CEO, Innsmouth Shipping
- Proud Member of Curse Alliance
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2003.12.18 09:14:00 -
[15]
No roleback
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Lady Beeblebrox
Teddybears movies
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2003.12.18 09:15:00 -
[16]
Dude this patch rocks, holy ****. Why would anyone want to roll back?
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.12.18 09:44:00 -
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Quote:
rollbacks are for those who dont have the graymatter between the ears to adapt to adversity.
Being given free original cruiser blueprints hand over fist is hardly adversity 
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.12.18 09:56:00 -
[18]
As said before, just fix it and move on.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2003.12.18 10:02:00 -
[19]
Absolutely no rollback.
Gamersland.nl, DE site voor PC gaming! |
Lucre
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Posted - 2003.12.18 10:06:00 -
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No way!
We *know* the first few days after a patch are iffy and can be unbalanced. We *know* we're taking a risk in playing during that time. But we gamble that the gains from getting in early will outweigh the potential losses from doing so.
For some people they have - for others, they haven't. But that's the chance we take in playing immediately post-patch.
As has been said *many* times for, don't risk anything you can't afford to lose. And surely that goes doubly (or more) immediately after a patch...
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Ch'ryl
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Posted - 2003.12.18 10:30:00 -
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I don't want a rollback either. Castor has brought in some great changes.
I do want to be able to further develop and specialise my science skills without having to resort to agent missions. I'm not asking to change the way Tech 2 BPs are distributed, I'm fine with that. I just think it's asking a bit much to want everyone who wants to follow the research path to do agent missions or pay the extortionate amounts that are being asked for the skills by those who are doing agent missions.
Why couldn't these skills have been available from the market? It makes no sense to me at all in forcing people into a gameplay style they don't enjoy, just so they can continue in their chosen field.
Why is it that when someone tells you that there are over a billion stars in the universe, you believe them, but if they tell you there is wet paint somewhere, you have to touch it to make sure? |
Sybylle
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Posted - 2003.12.18 10:31:00 -
[22]
No rollback...But some tweaking would be appreciated.
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(O.o)
(> <)=Oveur (proof)
"Jumping 50 systems I can like, have sex 150 times during that period" |
jason hill
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Posted - 2003.12.18 10:58:00 -
[23]
no rollback ... leave it as it is .
"THE HUMAN SHIELD" |
CHUMSICLE
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Posted - 2003.12.18 11:08:00 -
[24]
I am personally in love with whats been done.
VOTE NO FOR ROLLBACK.
GJ CCP.
Sales Manager for Expanded Minds Inc - We suffer the tedium of R&D so you dont have to |
Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.12.18 11:14:00 -
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I think I was the first person to suggest the possibility of a rollback, so I should clarify: I do NOT want a rollback to pre-Castor. I don't think anyone does. The Castor patch will be excellent, when it works properly.
I don't particularly want to see a rollback to immediately-post-Castor either. A better option would be, as stated above, just to fix the problems that have developed. My concern remains that those problems are SO widespread, and are causing SO much disruption, that fixing them in any way short of a rollback might simply be impossible. But, I still hope I'm wrong.
Those who don't do agent missions, and therefore don't ever look at the agent forum on this site, may not be aware of just how widespread and how disastrous these problems acutally are: we have some guys who've earnt a billion ISK or more in rewards, and others who now have standings with all factions at -10. The standings might be fixed: Jove only knows how they're going to track down all those blueprints, who's paid for them, who's made copies of them, who's spent money on labs to research them, who's built ships from them ....
....I hope. But not very much.
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Artean
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Posted - 2003.12.18 11:16:00 -
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Rollback? Are u mad? Who wants a rollback? Strange...
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There is a fine line between gate camping and just standing by a gate, looking like an idiot... |
Bruen
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Posted - 2003.12.18 11:21:00 -
[27]
No rollback, Castor is great.
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Neamus
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Posted - 2003.12.18 11:45:00 -
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People who dont do agent missions wont want a rollback, mission runners who have made a fortune wont want a rollback, the only people who will are the ones who feel they have wasted the last few weeks/months in preparation for castor.
Personally i dont want a roll back, but just fixing the problem and not doing anything about how it will impact the game seems ratehr short sighted.
2 things which concern me are..
1, I was able to do lvl 3 agent missions for around 1 hour before the bugs stopped me. In this one hour alone I made well over 200mil from skills. I have effectivly been locked out of this for 22hour compared to those who had no problems.
2, Due to that **** up with the standings, i am now a minimum of 36 hours behind anyone else who has started building up research points in the skills im working on already. With no sign of a fix anytime soon this gap is only going to get bigger.
So not only do a select few get to make many 100mil's of isk per hour for over 20 hours, they also get the added bonus of a jump start on the researching. WTF happened to the slow introduction and an equal chance for all?
I have spent 40-80 hours pre castor working towards being in the right position for when this patch hit. I left a lucritive bistot mining setup in venal to specilise in agent missions, this alone has cost me 20mil per hour i would have been earning instead of doing these missions. The last 3 weeks I have turned my skill training attentions to those skills required for the research skills.
No need to say it, but ive wasted many mils of isk, many hours of time in both misson time and training time, based on yet another promise which has been broken by CCP. To make things worse im now hearing rumours that the rewards for agent mission have been heavily nerfed, wont be the first time we have seen CCP go into panic mode and go over the top.
Dont expect agent skills/CC drop in price anytime soon, the drop rates have been nerfed and im sure those building who got in before the nerf are gonna want to make as much isk as possible out of their stuff, wouldn't you?
The devs knew about the reward problem for over 23 hours before a fix was made. If this was everquest the server would have been brought down at once, and stayed down until it was fixed. |
Shock
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Posted - 2003.12.18 11:45:00 -
[29]
NO ROLLBACK!
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soonÖ |
velox
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Posted - 2003.12.18 11:50:00 -
[30]
No way, things are bumpy but thats what is meant to happen after a patch (see I have been CCP conditioned)
Time is only meant to flow one way.
No Rollback
Velox
Always aiming one step beyond the edge. |
Rizzo
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Posted - 2003.12.18 12:03:00 -
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Hell no. Good work CCP, love these new rats. Finally 0.0 space is dangerous and interesting as it should be. If people lost ships trying to solo in 0.0 that's thier own problem, there were enough warnings about the rats getting harder.
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2003.12.18 12:25:00 -
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No Rollback
I luv castor!
its like starting all over again with loads of new stuff to do
new NPC's to get whuppased by!
Excellent!
Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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Chris
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Posted - 2003.12.18 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: Chris on 18/12/2003 12:29:24
No rollback plzkthx, Castor is "Da Bomb" as some less educated individuals may say :)
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Earthan
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Posted - 2003.12.18 12:29:00 -
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of course no rollback
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
Durandal
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Posted - 2003.12.18 12:31:00 -
[35]
Absolutley NO rollback, I love this new patch....it has created 'difficulties' for me in some respects (uber rats in favourite mining spots etc) however this is a challenge to overcome not a problem requiring a roll back.
Adapt or die....hmm sounds scarely like evol's moto.
"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2003.12.18 12:48:00 -
[36]
Nope, no rollback.
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Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die.
MEDUSA veteran, Khumaak Award winner |
Taiza
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Posted - 2003.12.18 13:06:00 -
[37]
no rollback!
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Greetings
Taiza
CEO of Starship Fellows
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.12.18 13:09:00 -
[38]
I also want a rebirth, a reschooling and a refund of this last pizza, give it all back to me, I'm a chunky baby!
Convert Stations
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Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2003.12.18 13:14:00 -
[39]
There isn't going to be a rollback but what the hell....
NO ROLLBACK!
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak. |
Albar Gray
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Posted - 2003.12.18 13:15:00 -
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Definately no rollback for me
I'll repair my agents in an evening anyway 
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ThatÆs my alt
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Blueblooded
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Posted - 2003.12.18 13:15:00 -
[41]
ofcurse not!
If you go backward, you never reach the goal*
*disclaimer:
unless you are walking along a circular path, then you would eventually reach the goal anyway...
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"The royal blood is blue, hence my name"
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Keldon
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Posted - 2003.12.18 13:23:00 -
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Man there is always one, no i dont want a rollback, i aint been inmy bs since the patch finally the dozes of ships i hae all have a purpose and i am having fun without mining like a nutter or chainging npc rats all day and night
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Varia
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Posted - 2003.12.18 13:31:00 -
[43]
No to a rollback, What do you think this is Asda
Women that strive to equal men lack ambition. |
Chowdown
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Posted - 2003.12.18 13:33:00 -
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I read the warnings. I don't need a roll back to get my ship back. I can't beleive we even need to do this.
New Shinra Kill system, please be patient were still ironing out the finer points!! |
Morning Maniac
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Posted - 2003.12.18 13:48:00 -
[45]
Roll back?? Nooo, it's much more fun like this. People who complain about loosing their bs don't get it, it's a game, it's supposed to be hard.
MM
Channel "EVE University"
www.eve-university.cjb.net (ingame)
EVE University commercial |
Syme
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Posted - 2003.12.18 13:49:00 -
[46]
No Rollback
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Thyro
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Posted - 2003.12.18 13:56:00 -
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NO rollback? I prefer ROLL-IN with "Castor Tech2" (the new upgrade)
I'd like to see new game upgrade kind of "Castor tech 2" with minerals rearrange...
where the main changes would be just one AB with bistot and all other rate ores in just one system of this galaxy and also protected with 30 npc BS tech2... (This will make this game interesting for those of u that like to kill npcs and do pvp)
Then I'd say, its finaly a nice game where no one could play.
I vote for "Castor Tech 2" upgrade!
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2003.12.18 14:01:00 -
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Definitely no roll-back.
If anybody is pushing for it, it is somebody who had it too easy. Deal with changes or leave.
Plus I don't think they could techincally even make a roll-back.
Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Sentinel, wrecking for 660.4 damage.
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Neamess
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Posted - 2003.12.18 14:01:00 -
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I read the warnings. I don't need a roll back to get my ship back. I can't beleive we even need to do this.
The requests for a rollback has got nothing to do with ship losses. If you ignored the warnings and underestimated the npc's thats your own fault. Also people claiming "castor is fun, plz dont rollback" a rollback will have no effect on the fun factor in castor.
When considering the rollback ask yourself one question.
Whats more important 24 hours lost training time or the saving the tech 2 economy.
I fail to see why so many people can not understand what kind of impact the "skills & BP's for all" agent mission bug is going to have on the markets? btw its not just tech 1 BPO's that have been given out.
How many people liked the miner 2 techell scam? (not blaming techell, anyone with half and brain and the isk would have done the same) Gonna be fun getting those uber tech 2 items, if a 50k tech 2 mining laser was selling for 5mil how much do you think the new tech ships are gonna cost 
Im not totally against player monopolys, however i think EVERYONE should have an equal chance at it, not those lucky enough to escape the bugs. |
Astrid Tron
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Posted - 2003.12.18 14:08:00 -
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Rollback? I love this patch - with all its dangers and changes and all else that I have lost and gained.
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When you have to kill a man, it takes nothing to be polite |
LargeNuts
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Posted - 2003.12.18 14:08:00 -
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YES< ROLLBACK. In the Interest of Blanace and fair play, you have to CCP.
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Vladimir G'orkin
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Posted - 2003.12.18 14:14:00 -
[52]
No rollback.
Done is done.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.12.18 14:17:00 -
[53]
no rollback.
Seriously, what were you thinking?
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Uuldahan
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Posted - 2003.12.18 14:18:00 -
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Rollback? Because people are so rigid they can't adapt their play style? hum, it's only their problem...
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Hodokie Seek
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Posted - 2003.12.18 14:19:00 -
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No roll back.
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[07:11:41] Hodokie Seek > k, will probably go in my Tristan.
[07:12:18] xxxx > tristan? is it a hazardous area?
[07:12:27] Hodokie Seek > Yep
[07:12:34] xxxx > nuts
[07:12:37] Hodokie Seek > Yep
[07:12:52] xxxx > wouldn't be so bad, but i'd hate to lose my implants
[07:13:06] xxxx > i'll go in my omen
/emote Hodokie Seek <---- No implants and no brains.
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Replicant Amara
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Posted - 2003.12.18 14:19:00 -
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no roll back
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.12.18 14:19:00 -
[57]
boo hiss.... no rolebacks, ever. Just fix the borked parts of Castor and move forward.
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
Vice-Director Military Operations |
Aethon
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Posted - 2003.12.18 14:21:00 -
[58]
No Roll Back Please.
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Zen Later
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Posted - 2003.12.18 14:22:00 -
[59]
No rollback...tweak, fix and balance some more and everybody adapt and overcome
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2003.12.18 14:24:00 -
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NOOOOO this is the game I always wanted. Dont do this. It would negate months of hard work. What the heck is insurance any way.
Oh my gosh. No way. There are many way to play this game and every route you take makes you character unique. The features you added where such advancement to the gaming community you need to wait and see what your player base will become.
In the world there are changes everyday. Some good some bad. One thing you would never do is not except the path you choosen. Life is choices and once you set toward that path you have to go with it. Cause you can does not mean you should.
People nowadays have a mindset of me, me , me.... The game is not about me but us. Its a community. We have to work together.
Please let the past be the past. You have made the game more than just a shootem up game. Its like Myst......... I think you should not go the way of pure war but plots and polotics. Interact you player base with the news. Have player names involved in the news. This game is a baby.
If you roll back its like abortion
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Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies |
KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2003.12.18 14:24:00 -
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Just tweak whats already there.
Thge npc is the major problem, although I can't help feeling its been done on purpose to artifically raise market prices, just decreas the volume of cruisers in each belt, and jobs done :)
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
www.kia-corp.co.uk/killboard
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we i |
Reptar
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Posted - 2003.12.18 14:25:00 -
[62]
i love the new patch, just think that maybe the npc's should be in a bit smaller packs
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Koda
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Posted - 2003.12.18 14:38:00 -
[63]
No rollback please, I like my skillpoints just the way they are.
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Thyro
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Posted - 2003.12.18 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: Thyro on 18/12/2003 14:48:33
Edited by: Thyro on 18/12/2003 14:47:30
well this patch its a total abortion so why not to rollback to be back to a fair game platform where everyone was able to get the BPs without the need to play a solo doing the stupid missions?
The problem with BPs and their implementations are easy to fix if CCP puts their thinking in practice.. so for this abortion I vote in a total rollback.
Not because Im against about everything that this upgrade brings but because isn't fair to play a game were people is forced to play missions to get BPs.... for that I rather prefer to play other games that aren't multiplay... coz play missions u dont need to have a multi-play game!
Problems with BP integration... easy FIX for even stupid basic programmers can do!...that is put a limit for number of each BPs per char and corporation... with that easy FIX CCP will stop monopolios... ... its better then a stuppid idea that is distributing BPs as lotery only for those u are able to do stupid missions in a solo-game!
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2003.12.18 14:55:00 -
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Thyro I believe its time for school. Get your backpack and get on the the bus son. And when you get home clean your room, and do your homework before playing on the pc.
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Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies |
DATEK
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Posted - 2003.12.18 15:00:00 -
[66]
There are may ways to rectify issues. Rollbacks should only be used AFTER all else fails. I am not aware of any issues with castor that are severe enough to even consider a rollback.
Vote NO to rollbacks.
DATEK
CEO, Frog Morton Industries |
qrac
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Posted - 2003.12.18 15:06:00 -
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no rollback! live with it and adapt.
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Atar
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Posted - 2003.12.18 15:27:00 -
[68]
I just got my Raven yesterday. The better not roll back, if they do I am gone!
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.12.18 15:40:00 -
[69]
I have to say, I'm amazed how many people have said something along the lines of "no rollback, you knew the new rats were hard, deal with it" when the whole rollback issue had NOTHING to do with hard rats.
Amazed how many have said something along the lines of, "no rollback, Castor is a great patch once it's fixed" when the whole point of the rollback was to go back to immediately AFTER - *not* before - Castor went in, so we'd still have it anyway.
But to the point. The actual problem - insane amounts of blueprints and ultra-rare items being given out hand over fist - is being dealt with. The word I have from a GM is that, those who were given all that stuff they shouldn't have been, will have it removed: if they've already sold it to someone else, they will be "requested" to reimburse the sale, at the risk of being appropriately punished for using an exploit.
I still find it hard to believe that's going to be possible, but I'm glad about it, since it means we get what we want: no rollback.
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Commander Jones
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Posted - 2003.12.18 15:48:00 -
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No rollback... this isn't beta.
(as hard as that is to believe sometimes)
In fact, I'm surprised some people even have the audacity to ask for one.
I guess there's just no limit to the whining of certain folk.
just my 2 isk
"You end up paying good money for the sort of treatment you ancestors spent their short, brutal lives trying to avoid. That's progress"
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Saladin
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Posted - 2003.12.18 15:51:00 -
[71]
Please no rollback. Far too many of my enemies lost their battleships to npc rats. If there is a rollback I fear they might not repeat those mistakes
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Beringe
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Posted - 2003.12.18 16:12:00 -
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No rollback.
I did lose my battleship to NPC pirates (arrogant, stupid, grr *mumblemumble* grr), and there may have been people who have suffered bugs and such, but you can't do a rollback on a live server unless something really catastrophic happens.
I'll adapt and learn. And hunt in 0.2 on a cruiser for a while. Which actually promises to be quite challenging. 
As for my scorpion, I'll replace it with a griffin.
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"My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead."
"No, it's none of your business." |
Lone Gunman
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Posted - 2003.12.18 16:52:00 -
[73]
I am NOT for a rollback BUT, did you notice that the matching rollback thread was locked. But this one has not. I have been following EvE and reading boards for over 3 years now and the equal opportunity moderation never ceases to amaize me.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.12.18 17:31:00 -
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Quote:
... but you can't do a rollback on a live server unless something really catastrophic happens.
It did.
But, they still think they can sort out the mess without resorting to a rollback.
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"Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age." |
Tease
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Posted - 2003.12.18 17:52:00 -
[75]
how come this thread didn't get locked like the opposing thread?
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[2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's
less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level?
[2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning
lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you
[2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players
are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on
the BPs making copies to make money off of them that way |
Zervun
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Posted - 2003.12.18 19:06:00 -
[76]
Rollback = no
CCP works hard on this patch to add more realism and difficulty and people can't adjust. Rats that actually take skill to kill ohnoes! HLE!P!11!
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Clevinger
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Posted - 2003.12.18 19:09:00 -
[77]
No rollback |
Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.12.18 19:13:00 -
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Quote:
how come this thread didn't get locked like the opposing thread?
There was already a thread - in another forum - to post that you wanted a rollback. Presumably there was no other thread to post that you didn't.
While I'm here, I'd like to correct my earlier comments about people's reasons for wanting a rollback. I originally posed the question because of the enormous mess about agent missions: I have never held sympathy for anyone who wanted a rollback because "the pirates are too hard" or "I can't find pyrox any more". Things change, deal with them.
Indeed, I didn't realise there *were* any such people until just now browsing the locked "we want a rollback" thread. Now I know why so many have posted here saying, "No we don't." I'd agree with them.
The agent problem still needs resolving, but the team seem to think they can manage that w/o rolling back to Castor plus one second. I have my doubts.
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Thyro
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Posted - 2003.12.18 20:09:00 -
[79]
Harisdrop,
just 2 words if u know very well english..
**** off
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Techie Zero
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Posted - 2003.12.18 20:15:00 -
[80]
No rollback. Suck it up and take it like a man.
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Ajari Joan
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Posted - 2003.12.18 20:17:00 -
[81]
Count me in, even if we dont get recognized.
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Replicant Amara
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Posted - 2003.12.18 20:26:00 -
[82]
No role back please...
Get a life... and keep going ....
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Fencer
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Posted - 2003.12.18 20:54:00 -
[83]
I see no need to rollback. I have already canceled my account. I think that is a louder message then this type post yea nay thing
in last couple months the user size has dropped some of those are gonna come back and see what is happening now and leave to never return.
this is just another time when usership will drop off.
and no ya can't have my stuff. It is going in trash barrel with the boxed eve game to be burned
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2003.12.18 21:15:00 -
[84]
No roll back. Everything is peachy.
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Katrianna Rift
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Posted - 2003.12.18 21:18:00 -
[85]
I say no rollback. |
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2003.12.18 23:43:00 -
[86]
NO ROLLBACK
I say this as my entire previous way of income has been all but evaporated.
I'm a big boy and can adapt to change 
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Riffix
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Posted - 2003.12.19 00:53:00 -
[87]
I'll have the player-owned stations with a side of ship decals please, HOLD THE ROLLBACK. Thank you. :-)
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Lord Grim
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Posted - 2003.12.19 01:14:00 -
[88]
No rollback needed now, since they fixed standings.
Only thing i suggest is that they FIND anyone who got the bugged skills or BPS, and made millions, and take it away. its stupid.
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HystericalAndUseless
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Posted - 2003.12.19 01:50:00 -
[89]
No rollback.
Simple as. Adapt or die, works in RL works in Eve. Let the whiners whine, while we just enjoy Eve.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.12.19 02:09:00 -
[90]
WHY THE **** WOULD THEY ROLLBACK?
The game is working perfectly (except some bugs with agents).
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Acix
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Posted - 2003.12.19 02:19:00 -
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Edited by: Acix on 19/12/2003 02:20:57
Ok lets look at all the issues and put aside biases one way or the other.
The question is does a roll back need to happen or not?
BP's ok fixed soon - papa smurf is taking care of that
agents/standings not fixed but will be soon
only power gamers will be able to do anything with agents unless you can do 400+ missions just to keep you standing per week
Mining low grade ores are still able to be gotten by groups of people. Mining rare ores takes sooooo many people that even realistically the mega corps could never accept the losses to make it worth while. Even if you have 30 or 40 battleships and cruisers in one belt you will still loose ships due to the NPC's spawning right on you and killing a ship or two before they can be take out. Haulers will die instantly.............
tech 2 odd way to implement to say the least (changing every rule we have all been working with to date), all producers that spent ages learning skills will now have to get agents to: research, get parts, and beg mega corps for new minerals...... I myself have a second account that has been training non stop to be the best producer and refiner. I can't run two accounts at the same time this much to be of any use. I am talking about trying to run missions while my fighter is engaged in a region war. It will be hard but I will take the challenge to deal with this one as much as possible, I might curse a lot at the computer while doing it but it is a lot more workable than other things.
NPC's ok now this is the biggest problem for the entire patch.
NPC spawns are causing huge belt lag on the client side causing ships to be lost without even knowing what happened. The lag issue is better than the past but with this addition it just went sour. NPC spawn amounts are way overboard.
People talk about being more realistic but forget that pirates are normally not going to have the shear resources a mega corp will have. There is no way NPC pirates would be able to have that many battleships and cruisers out in the low sec zones (not talking about edge of space 0.0 systems but .2 to .1 areas). Also how would they ever be able to produce these ships in such mass quantity to replace them every 10 minutes or less. SO realism is a false argument.
NPC ships are also way too uber to be even close to anything they should have released at this point in the progression of EVE. The expectation and realistic approach to the new pirates would be slowly having them appear in deep deep deep space around extremely rare ores. Then move them close to regular space over time. While the player base is catching up in technology to deal with this new threat to deep space mining.
Engaging the pirates with battleships or cruisers by themselves is going to lead to loss of ships (no one can argue about this statement unless you have no idea what you are talking about). Combinations of the two will cause loss of ships due to the spawn occurrence of the NPC's to begin with.
The three sides are:
1) Roll back because of the known bug issues (that eve players in total have lost trillions to) and give a blanket fix not favoring anyone.
Good points: No one has an advantage everyone starts fresh, combined with fixes. Majority of players will be happy because the economy will not tumble due to mega and other high end minerals sky rocketing in price.
Bad points: its a step back for CCP, bad publicity for basically admitting they really messed up.
2) Don't roll back but give all those that can prove they lost ships/items.
Good points: players will receive back at least the ships they lost to bugs and not leave the game.
Bad points: not everyone will be able to produce logs or evidence to prove it was due to the NPC bug.
3) Don't roll back and keep telling people to just deal with it
Good points NONE except the selfish self serving that don't understand this will in the next few weeks trickle down to them and then they will leave the game because it snowballs and hurts them realllllly bad at that point.
Bad points Extreme player loss of interest and loss of players (possibly my two accounts if that even slightly concerns anyone at CCP)
So looking at the issues after stepping back to see the whole picture how could you really argue against a roll back. The player base would not consider this egg on your face CCP. More than likely you would receive praise and thanks from many in the player community. For the people that cannot see the light take a step back and think about the game as a whole, not just your little chunk of the pie. Don't be a self serving player and realize that without the rest of the community we would not be able to get much of anything done in this game. DO NOT let this snowbal
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Acix
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Posted - 2003.12.19 02:19:00 -
[92]
Well since there have been multiple people saying "rollback why?" I just wanted to list the reasons I have and that a lot of other have to do it. I know you will all say that I shouldn't have posted this here, but you guys keep stating that you don't know why anyone would want to rollback. SO flame me all you want but here it is.
Had to post it in a seperate post so it would fit. Lets have this as a reasonable discussion. Just don't flame me try make a point instead of just flaming. |
Ajari Joan
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Posted - 2003.12.19 06:24:00 -
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Edited by: Ajari Joan on 19/12/2003 06:26:51
Acix
http://people.freenet.de/www.mpd.de/wiener.jpg
Argh.. can't you keep your whining out of these forums, there are so many "whinertopics" so somebody might have a little place for you to post your complains. But keep it out of such topics like this.
removed the image tags -Eris Discordia
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Thomdril Merrilin
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Posted - 2003.12.19 07:12:00 -
[94]
DO NOT ROLL BACK EVER!!!! JUST FIX THE DAMN PROBLEMS FFS!!!
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.12.19 09:10:00 -
[95]
Sorry Acix, but you got the rollback-related problems in just about totally the reverse order. NPCs aren't the problem AT ALL. They're supposed to be uber-tough. They are, admittedly, appearing in rather more places than they should, but; as has been said, adapt or die. Losing stuff to a CTD has always been a threat, and everyone knows - or should, if they have any common sense at all - that playing immediately post-patch makes it a bigger threat. If you've succumbed to that thread, well, tough. Go buy a new battleship.
Nothing's happened because of new, stronger npc rats, which has caused irreversible damage.
The only *major* problem with the patch has been the agents; since a large number of people immediately went agent-running because of tech 2 being introduced through them, we have hundreds of people with wrong standings due to bugs, and hundreds of other people with original cruiser blueprints worth 70 million a pop, stacks of 12 or more skillbooks that sold for a total of over 200 million, and so on.
The only argument for a rollback that ever did exist, was inability to put those wrongs right. The amounts of standing lost have caused damage which is effectively irreversible - peole have lost the ability to use ANY agent of a given faction, when they already had level 3 agents before the bugs kicked in. And people who got dished out a stack of 12 Moa blueprints have sold 11, they've been thrown in research hangars, copies have been made, cruisers have been built, sold, already flown and in some cases no doubt blown up .... It's an unholy mess.
However, CCP say they *can* put those wrongs right - standings will be restored, blueprints etc. will be taken away again - so a rollback simply is not necessary.
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Acix
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Posted - 2003.12.19 16:52:00 -
[96]
Quote:
Nothing's happened because of new, stronger npc rats, which has caused irreversible damage.
HMMMM not thinking about the big picture I see. With literally hundreds of battleships destroyed, do you really think those of us that mine rare ore will share it for a while. We just like a lot of corps that have the ability before and after to mine rare ore will have it to replace our ships. Then after we replace our ships we figure the market will be close to 100k isk per unit for mega. Its now close to 130 million to just build a tempest at current mineral prices as of last night (pst).
OR haven't you been following the market. Insurance doesn't even come close to covering that kind of cost. Then you have to have a BPC or buy one for 20 to 30 million.
The damage has already been done that IS irreversible to the economy. IT will Snowball and you will see the mega corps replace thier losses first causing a huge up-swing in the price of mega.
If you think the agent stuff was the big problem just watch the economy (it is and we will see the problems it has caused for a while). And think about other things besides the little problems. The main cause was the NPC's, CAUSE and EFFECT. Everything we see from now on are symptoms of this problem.............
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Acix
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Posted - 2003.12.19 18:38:00 -
[97]
Ajari Joan prove me wrong. If you think differently then refute my thoughts and info. Otherwise your post is the useless one. |
Sir JoJo
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Posted - 2003.12.19 19:46:00 -
[98]
NO WAY NO ROLEBACK
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Spike Spiegel
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Posted - 2003.12.19 19:54:00 -
[99]
Acix,
Hey man I lost an Apoc and felt like crap for a couple days but now I'm back in it. Sure I wanted a rollback back then but now NO. The patch is good, BS's are suppose to be rare to begin with so only people or corps that have power can actually get them.
Keep up the good work CCP but please fix problems ASAP :)
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loladoll
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Posted - 2003.12.19 19:55:00 -
[100]
no rollback, im happy
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Trianon Starstealer
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Posted - 2003.12.19 19:56:00 -
[101]
There had better not be a roll back, who even brought up such a stupid suggestion?
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Melchar
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Posted - 2003.12.19 20:40:00 -
[102]
As Clint Eastwood might say,
"Rollbacks are for A55 Holes!!"
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Ajari Joan
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Posted - 2003.12.19 23:39:00 -
[103]
Quote:
Ajari Joan prove me wrong. If you think differently then refute my thoughts and info. Otherwise your post is the useless one.
You won't even listen since you don't care as long as you can post your own thoughts which btw have been stated a million and another million times in similar phrases all over the forums! Thats why I'm not going to reply on such topics anymore. I say - let the ignorant wieners be whiners and let them miss the good points (of castor)! Oh and a nice goodbye if you're thinking about leaving.
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Acix
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Posted - 2003.12.20 01:39:00 -
[104]
I have said many times that the new client is nice. The ability to configure things that I like is very very nice. But the problems overwhelm any of that. Just remember you heard me say here that the economy will go insane for a long time because of the previously stated reasons.
I could sit here and call you a fan boy or whatever else but there is no reason to. But you feel the need to flame for useless reasons.
You did not provide any information or reason for your position. I guess you just have you mind set on one thing and you cannot see the big global picture. Closed mindedness and indifference is not a valid position. |
Ajari Joan
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Posted - 2003.12.20 04:48:00 -
[105]
look here
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Seraphin Hectaris
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Posted - 2003.12.20 07:00:00 -
[106]
no rollback
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Pann
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Posted - 2003.12.20 07:22:00 -
[107]
There's not going to be a roll back...
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