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Galaxy Chicken
Free Highsec Industrialists
57
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Posted - 2016.07.29 16:59:13 -
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Just keep saying it Dracvlad.
Maybe someone will believe your tinfoil nonsense if you just keep saying it. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5040
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Posted - 2016.07.29 19:01:04 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Ironically I think CCP could rebalance this fairly easily, if they were interested in doing so - and my solution is quite counter-intuitive:
What they need to do to re-balance this equation is to simply alter the CONCORD mechanics so that there is a *fixed* delay in their deployment, based solely on the security status of the system. And make them wait for this predefined period *even if they are already on grid*.
This would give the anti-gankers a fair chance at ganking the wreck - though they would still be at a slight disadvantage due to gate guns, it wouldn't be unreasonable.
It would also have the side-effect of saving mining ship gankers the trouble of pulling concord back out of the belt between ganks - probably saving a few of their pods in the process.
In terms of game lore, they could make CONCORD warp *back out* after enforcing their punishment - which would additionally save server resources not having hundreds of them orbitting random gates anyway.
Honestly I think this would be a win-win for everybody. Am I missing anything? The issue is that we have on one side the Goon and PL supported Gankers, massive wealth, huge number of accounts ability to move about pick their targets, running in fast to warp ships and able to warp in and blap. Against solo or at most two account players who are mostly not very wealthy who have an alt or two that they were applying to help for no payment at all. The issue is that while the gankers will hit freighters and loot scoop if they win, earning a huge amount of ISK, the AG will earn 0 as you pointed out. Also the numbers of AG is fairly low, there is now way we can get 10 to 15 people in toons that are acceptable to go to -10 to gank a single wreck, nor can they afford the Tornado scenario. The wreck was placed above their ability to gank in terms of skills and ships and numbers. The Goon here keeps saying unwilling to gank the wreck but he knows full well what the AG is. I have one anti-ganking gank toon and I just do not have the ability to put him in a Tornado and nor do I have the ability to fund that Tornado to the level that the gankers do. While your suggestion is good, we are talking about structural issues, we have the professional level highly funded hisec alliances in a very organised way making vast amounts of ISK against a small group of militia type people who largely disorganised. CCP just handed total victory to them with this change. And what gets me is that not a single one of the AG toons doing this got anywhere near -10, they stopped it that quickly..., initially I assumed it was fear over the market collapsing if the stuff was just destroyed, but it turned out to be worse, the lazyness of gankers.
And where have I heard this story before. Oh yeah, when I suggested that AG gank the bumping ship. This was precisely the reaction. "What? We shouldn't have to do that, CCP should solve this problem for us."
As for the lack of organization....so what? CODE. and ganking groups have over come that issue. Maybe you should focus on fixing that vs. trying to use it as an excuse.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1993
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Posted - 2016.07.29 19:51:32 -
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Galaxy Chicken wrote:Just keep saying it Dracvlad.
Maybe someone will believe your tinfoil nonsense if you just keep saying it.
I see you managed to scrape together the ISK or real life cash to get a second account, well done, but you will need a third account or whine harder for the warp to be 5 minutes instead of 3 minutes, that was still the funniest whine by a ganker I have yet seen.
COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
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Galaxy Chicken
Free Highsec Industrialists
61
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Posted - 2016.07.29 20:35:33 -
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Is english your first language Drac?
I find that about 50% of your posts are incoherent on some level. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1996
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Posted - 2016.07.30 07:49:11 -
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Galaxy Chicken wrote:Is english your first language Drac?
I find that about 50% of your posts are incoherent on some level.
P.S. You can thank the poor disorganised noobie carebears you're always so worried about for plexing this account for me.
You really are trying to hard, your whine on asking for 5 minutes in terms of CCP's still not implemented bumping warp mechanism is up there with the gankers getting a change to wreck EHP. Pure gold both of them, keep whining mate I really enjoy it.
COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17729
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Posted - 2016.07.30 11:52:28 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Galaxy Chicken wrote:Is english your first language Drac?
I find that about 50% of your posts are incoherent on some level.
P.S. You can thank the poor disorganised noobie carebears you're always so worried about for plexing this account for me. You really are trying to hard, your whine on asking for 5 minutes in terms of CCP's still not implemented bumping warp mechanism is up there with the gankers getting a change to wreck EHP. Pure gold both of them, keep whining mate I really enjoy it.
You have done nothing but whine about ganking for the last few years. Nearly every post you make is some sort of bitchfest about ganking. |
Galaxy Chicken
Free Highsec Industrialists
62
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Posted - 2016.07.30 13:21:18 -
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And yet the best "ganker tears lol!!1!" He can dig up is a case of me just asking not to be nerfed AS bad.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2020
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Posted - 2016.07.30 18:12:56 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Galaxy Chicken wrote:Is english your first language Drac?
I find that about 50% of your posts are incoherent on some level.
P.S. You can thank the poor disorganised noobie carebears you're always so worried about for plexing this account for me. You really are trying to hard, your whine on asking for 5 minutes in terms of CCP's still not implemented bumping warp mechanism is up there with the gankers getting a change to wreck EHP. Pure gold both of them, keep whining mate I really enjoy it. You have done nothing but whine about ganking for the last few years. Nearly every post you make is some sort of bitchfest about ganking.
I am after game balance dimwit, if that wreck EHP had been talked about with AG players we would have told CCP it would kill it stone dead for reasons I have explained here and on other threads. But you guys are not interested in game balance, you just want to run around shoot stuff use the mechanics for low risk and tell everyone how great you are.
What is most amusing to me is the simple fact that Gankers like Mr Chicken here were whining about nerf's to ganking based on the EHP buff to freighters when in fact it in no why did it make up to the nerf to AG in making freighter wrecks jump to 15k from 500. There was a different culture in AG developing which would have had the same fun as you entitled gankers but you could not have that could you.
And none of you are men enough to admit it, which I have to say is about the level of what you really are.
I happen to like Liek Diarz, he is a good player and he really does work hard, I respect him. But I don't respect whay you did here and I think baltec1 you are one of the ones that is likely to have pushed Endie to do this.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2020
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Posted - 2016.07.30 18:27:20 -
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Galaxy Chicken wrote:And yet the best "ganker tears lol!!1!" He can dig up is a case of me just asking not to be nerfed AS bad.
The funny thing is that you seemed to think I would be upset by CCP Falcon being aligned with you guys, so when you sent that gloating mail to me I had to laugh, I refer to CCP Falcon as the Ganker Community Manager and have been doing so for the last 5 years.
So sending this to me:
The EVE community manager is on our side. Lolololololololololol
Just made me laugh a lot, because it showed how little you know about anything.
I was more amused at his need to start closing threads after that post he did, to be blunt I was wetting myself laughing.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5045
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Posted - 2016.07.30 19:25:11 -
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Dracvlad wrote:
I am after game balance dimwit....
Says the guy who was just whining about being insulted. You really are a hypocritical liar aren't you.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5046
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Posted - 2016.07.30 19:27:05 -
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Dracvlad wrote:
I am after game balance dimwit, if that wreck EHP had been talked about with AG players we would have told CCP it would kill it stone dead for reasons I have explained here and on other threads.
And those reasons are that AG are not willing to put serious effort into or ISK at risk in pursuing their objectives whereas those who gank do.
Yup, very convincing.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2020
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Posted - 2016.07.30 19:58:19 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Dracvlad wrote:
I am after game balance dimwit....
Says the guy who was just whining about being insulted. You really are a hypocritical liar aren't you.
I find his trolling offensive and have no patience for him. So what?
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2020
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Posted - 2016.07.30 20:00:01 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Dracvlad wrote:
I am after game balance dimwit, if that wreck EHP had been talked about with AG players we would have told CCP it would kill it stone dead for reasons I have explained here and on other threads.
And those reasons are that AG are not willing to put serious effort into or ISK at risk in pursuing their objectives whereas those who gank do. Yup, very convincing.
ISK, not using their mains due to them needing them to operate in hisec, lack of appertite to gank, lack of SP for those alts, its all there. You are not stooping to dimwit level are you?
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5048
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Posted - 2016.07.30 20:38:52 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Dracvlad wrote:
I am after game balance dimwit, if that wreck EHP had been talked about with AG players we would have told CCP it would kill it stone dead for reasons I have explained here and on other threads.
And those reasons are that AG are not willing to put serious effort into or ISK at risk in pursuing their objectives whereas those who gank do. Yup, very convincing. ISK, not using their mains due to them needing them to operate in hisec, lack of appertite to gank, lack of SP for those alts, its all there. You are not stooping to dimwit level are you?
No, I'm pointing out that the AG side does not want to put in the level of effort and risk significant amounts of ISK unlike the other side of the issue. Gankers have put together groups, coms, and pre-position assets, and so forth to engage in ganking. They have basically put lots of effort and ISK into obtaining their objective.
Why is it at all unreasonable to think AG should not have to put forth some degree of effort as well. You don't build up an AG corp or alliance. Do you have shared voice comms? Do you pre-position assets so people can go to the system where the gank is going to happen and get what they need there? Do you use any kind of fleet doctrine? Have you thought about spawning CONCORD on those cheap throw away alts you guys created for ganking wrecks?
I got into one of the anti-bumping threads and I pointed out that there is not much tank on those machs and that they are damn expensive. Gank those routinely and....well that would be a severe crimp in the ganking process, at least till they found a work around. The response was laughable. It was basically that they should not have to incur a criminal flag, lose sec status, and their ship to stop a ship from bumping another ship...CCP should do all that.
So I find the notion that AG would gank wrecks laughable. Sure they'll do it when it is super cheap and they can do it on a toss away alt. But as soon as it requires a bit more effort/ISK and it is "NOPE!"
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26464
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Posted - 2016.07.30 20:39:22 -
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Don't be so tight, anybody would think you had short arms and deep pockets inhabited by crocodiles.
Quote: not using their mains due to them needing them to operate in hisec, Why can't you operate in hisec? If sec status is a concern, the faction popo won't even think about coming after you until you hit: -2.0 or lower in 1.0 space -2.5 or lower in 0.9 and above -3.0 or lower in 0.8 and above -3.5 or lower in 0.7 and above -4.0 or lower in 0.6 and above -4.5 or lower in 0.5 and above
Quote:lack of appertite to gank Your problem, not ours
Quote:lack of SP for those alts Deal with it, just like everybody else has to, by balancing the time required for skill training across essential alts for the activities they carry out. Alternatively use SP injectors, much as I dislike them they provide a pretty good solution for people who need to train up an alt without dropping training times on another character, or dropping money on an alt account/ dual character training.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
506
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Posted - 2016.07.30 23:13:17 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Do you pre-position assets so people can go to the system where the gank is going to happen and get what they need there?
That's the main issue- AG groups are reacting, which is why they're always late to the party. They could of course police the common ganking systems but so far this level of coordination remains unheard of |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17732
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Posted - 2016.07.31 09:46:06 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Do you pre-position assets so people can go to the system where the gank is going to happen and get what they need there? That's the main issue- AG groups are reacting, which is why they're always late to the party. They could of course police the common ganking systems but so far this level of coordination remains unheard of
Its not that they are reactionary its that they are just bad at the game. They would rather beg CCP to remove a gameplay option than think for themselves or even take advantage of the situation. For example, they could set up an escort service using shield logi, or set up an escort service that provides a webbing frigate to get the freighter into warp near instantly. They could charge for these services but they won't get their finger out. They could gank the gankers and turn a profit, they could set up their own freight service and move goods around in supertank ships or a dedicated blockade runner service for those small but very expensive cargo runs but they won't because it involves both work and game knowledge.
Rather than add content to the game they want to remove it to make their lives easier. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2043
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Posted - 2016.07.31 10:52:13 -
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baltec1 wrote:Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Do you pre-position assets so people can go to the system where the gank is going to happen and get what they need there? That's the main issue- AG groups are reacting, which is why they're always late to the party. They could of course police the common ganking systems but so far this level of coordination remains unheard of Its not that they are reactionary its that they are just bad at the game. They would rather beg CCP to remove a gameplay option than think for themselves or even take advantage of the situation. For example, they could set up an escort service using shield logi, or set up an escort service that provides a webbing frigate to get the freighter into warp near instantly. They could charge for these services but they won't get their finger out. They could gank the gankers and turn a profit, they could set up their own freight service and move goods around in supertank ships or a dedicated blockade runner service for those small but very expensive cargo runs but they won't because it involves both work and game knowledge. Rather than add content to the game they want to remove it to make their lives easier.
So says the man whose Corp CEO got the rules changed on the only thing that was making it hard for them, that is being bad at Eve mate.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2016.07.31 11:21:01 -
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Dracvlad wrote:baltec1 wrote:Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Do you pre-position assets so people can go to the system where the gank is going to happen and get what they need there? That's the main issue- AG groups are reacting, which is why they're always late to the party. They could of course police the common ganking systems but so far this level of coordination remains unheard of Its not that they are reactionary its that they are just bad at the game. They would rather beg CCP to remove a gameplay option than think for themselves or even take advantage of the situation. For example, they could set up an escort service using shield logi, or set up an escort service that provides a webbing frigate to get the freighter into warp near instantly. They could charge for these services but they won't get their finger out. They could gank the gankers and turn a profit, they could set up their own freight service and move goods around in supertank ships or a dedicated blockade runner service for those small but very expensive cargo runs but they won't because it involves both work and game knowledge. Rather than add content to the game they want to remove it to make their lives easier. So says the man whose Corp CEO got the rules changed on the only thing that was making it hard for them, that is being bad at Eve mate.
Such terrible ad-hominem posting. This is at least the second time I've seen you do this, in this thread.
This is not in anyway a refutation of the points above. Baltec is not his CEO.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17735
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Posted - 2016.07.31 11:57:32 -
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Coralas wrote: Such terrible ad-hominem posting. This is at least the second time I've seen you do this, in this thread.
This is not in anyway a refutation of the points above. Baltec is not his CEO.
Its all he has. Nevermind that he has been told and even shown that what he says is untrue, the argument came from a nullsec player who passed it onto Endie who passed it onto CCP along with a large number of other things and CCP acted on it. This change had a much larger impact out in low, null and WH space where wrecks are used as tactical warps and in regards to capital wreck looting.
I would also point out Endie is not our corps CEO. |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26473
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Posted - 2016.07.31 12:33:58 -
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Is he still claiming that the wreck EHP change was put in place specifically to allow gankers more time to loot a wreck before somebody shoots it?
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Galaxy Chicken
Free Highsec Industrialists
62
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Posted - 2016.07.31 13:59:35 -
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Lol that guy was trolling Drac by saying he was Endie, but poor vlad bought it hook line and sinker.
You probably won't ever convince him that he's not Endie, or that Kanye West isn't a secret illuminati operative.
Dracvlad spend a most of his day wondering who everyone REALLY is... |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
511
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Posted - 2016.07.31 14:10:08 -
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... while everyone knows it is in fact I who is the real Dracvlad |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2045
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Posted - 2016.07.31 14:51:17 -
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And yet a few wrecks get ganked by AG players and the rules get changed, funny that...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2045
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Posted - 2016.07.31 14:54:43 -
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Coralas wrote:Such terrible ad-hominem posting. This is at least the second time I've seen you do this, in this thread.
This is not in anyway a refutation of the points above. Baltec is not his CEO.
I never said baltec1 was the CEO
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17745
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Posted - 2016.07.31 16:33:25 -
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Dracvlad wrote:And yet a few wrecks get ganked by AG players and the rules get changed, funny that... For years wrecks were at 500 EHP until the Gankers were affected, funny that... Reddit has Endie replying to Jestertrek there.
Offgrid boosting has been around for years but that too is getting removed. I'm willing to bet it happens just as some organisation starts using it too. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
12685
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Posted - 2016.07.31 17:07:35 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Coralas wrote:Such terrible ad-hominem posting. This is at least the second time I've seen you do this, in this thread.
This is not in anyway a refutation of the points above. Baltec is not his CEO.
I never said baltec1 was the CEO
If backpedalling were an Olympic sport, you'd be up for gold
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2045
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Posted - 2016.07.31 19:11:56 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dracvlad wrote:And yet a few wrecks get ganked by AG players and the rules get changed, funny that... For years wrecks were at 500 EHP until the Gankers were affected, funny that... Reddit has Endie replying to Jestertrek there. Offgrid boosting has been around for years but that too is getting removed. I'm willing to bet it happens just as some organisation starts using it too.
This has nothing to do with off grid boosting, this has everything to do with CCP being incompetent and Gankers not being able to defend the wrecks on the same basis as people have to defend freighters, getting all upset at having to actually put effort in and getting the rules changed.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2045
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Posted - 2016.07.31 19:13:10 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Coralas wrote:Such terrible ad-hominem posting. This is at least the second time I've seen you do this, in this thread.
This is not in anyway a refutation of the points above. Baltec is not his CEO.
I never said baltec1 was the CEO If backpedalling were an Olympic sport, you'd be up for gold
Link to me where I said baltec1 was the CEO of Bat County.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17746
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Posted - 2016.08.01 04:22:16 -
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Dracvlad wrote:baltec1 wrote:Dracvlad wrote:And yet a few wrecks get ganked by AG players and the rules get changed, funny that... For years wrecks were at 500 EHP until the Gankers were affected, funny that... Reddit has Endie replying to Jestertrek there. Offgrid boosting has been around for years but that too is getting removed. I'm willing to bet it happens just as some organisation starts using it too. This has nothing to do with off grid boosting, this has everything to do with CCP being incompetent and Gankers not being able to defend the wrecks on the same basis as people have to defend freighters, getting all upset at having to actually put effort in and getting the rules changed.
Said the man bitching about having to use just two tornadoes.
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