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Jester Marc
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Posted - 2007.03.10 08:55:00 -
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I was wondering if I could get some advice on how to fit my Hulk. I just finished training my skill of Exhumer 4 and am new to exhumers and relatively new to mining.
I plan on mining in 0.0 space on whatever is the best return for my investment.
Thank you.
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Bel Garan
Caldari
The Guardian Agency
Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.10 10:29:00 -
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Fairly easy, since there's actually only one proper setup:
Hi: 3x Strip Miner II
Med: 1x Gistii-A Small Shield Booster, 1x Eutetic Cap Recharger, 2x NPC Specific Hardener
Low: 2x MLU
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Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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Golden Druid
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Posted - 2007.03.10 10:53:00 -
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Med: 1x Gistii-A Small Shield Booster, 1x Eutetic Cap Recharger, 2x NPC Specific Hardener.
I would agree with a small shield booster but I went T2, I would however take out the cap re-charger and slot in a shield resistance amp to back up the two hardners,
In the Lows I have 1 mining laser upgrade module and a PDS
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.10 11:12:00 -
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The classic gist a-type small / cap recharger / 2 hardeners setup is quoted so often because it fits with 2 mining laser upgrades, can handle most (not all) 0.0 spawns and is infinitely sustainable in terms of cap if you stagger the miners. You can sit in the belt, turn on your lasers and booster, and read a book till the rocks die. (Okay, watching local might still be a good idea  )
If you want to invest a few million more, try two capacitor control circuit rigs, and a shield rig that reduces booster cycle time. That should be able to handle all 0.0 spawns then.
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Jester Marc
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Posted - 2007.03.10 14:21:00 -
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Thanks to all for your time and suggestions. Special thanks to Ishina Fel for the explaining the reasons behind the setup to a mining noob!!! 
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Jal Rikta
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.03.13 17:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Ishina Fel
If you want to invest a few million more, try two capacitor control circuit rigs, and a shield rig that reduces booster cycle time. That should be able to handle all 0.0 spawns then.
What do you do with said spawns, drones to plink at them till they die or tanking good enough to just let them atack till you are done?
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Ghostshadow
Templars of Space
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.03.13 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ishina Fel
If you want to invest a few million more, try two capacitor control circuit rigs, and a shield rig that reduces booster cycle time. That should be able to handle all 0.0 spawns then.
hulk only has 2 rig slots right?
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A * B = C
A = Skill Points
B = GPA
C = a Constant.
Guess what happens to B as A increases.
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IceHound
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:03:00 -
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Quote:
Hi: 3x Strip Miner II
Med: 1x Gistii-A Small Shield Booster, 1x Eutetic Cap Recharger, 2x NPC Specific Hardener
Low: 2x MLU
I use a very similar set up to this except I put PDUs in the lows (cap skills bite) and a T2 booster. Mining in drone space the hardeners are 2 x Invuls. 5 x medium drones take care of most spawns (although slowly), but I've considered swapping 1 Invul for a shield extender. Thoughts?
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Sexorella hotz
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:14:00 -
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Just a slight change to what has been proposed. Everyone seems to like sticking a cap recharger on, and no one has mentioned rigs. I use a Gistii A-type shield booster, 2 dread guristas hardeners(good CPU usage, T2 stats, not too expensive unless you want invuln field), and a survey scanner(afterall, you are a miner) and pop in a capacitor control circuit and semiconductor watcha-ma-call-it(cap capacity rig), when I go out to mine, I pull up my system clock, start the tank up, and then every 60 seconds start a mining laser. Everything runs just fine, and I can see what I'm mining.
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Sexorella hotz
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Sexorella hotz on 20/03/2007 14:13:52
Originally by: Ishina Fel
The classic gist a-type small / cap recharger / 2 hardeners setup is quoted so often because it fits with 2 mining laser upgrades, can handle most (not all) 0.0 spawns and is infinitely sustainable in terms of cap if you stagger the miners. You can sit in the belt, turn on your lasers and booster, and read a book till the rocks die. (Okay, watching local might still be a good idea )
If you want to invest a few million more, try two capacitor control circuit rigs, and a shield rig that reduces booster cycle time. That should be able to handle all 0.0 spawns then.
Originally by: IceHound
I use a very similar set up to this except I put PDUs in the lows (cap skills bite) and a T2 booster. Mining in drone space the hardeners are 2 x Invuls. 5 x medium drones take care of most spawns (although slowly), but I've considered swapping 1 Invul for a shield extender. Thoughts?
Just a slight note on that comment about the shield rig, a lot of the hulks ability to tank comes from its very small size, so be careful with anything that might make it bigger, like a shield rig, the effects might cancel each other out, meaning there are potentially better options. Not saying it won't work, just something to consider. Same comment on the shield extender.
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Padma Sky
Lumen Et Umbra
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Padma Sky on 20/03/2007 14:28:41
hi: 3x small nos
med: 1x scramblers, 2x webber , 1x passive targeter
low: cpr ( and small rep if u can fit )
drones: 5x hammerheat T2 ( medium drones)
Find someone is mining ( he will not warp because u are in a mining ship) and then passive target, scramble + double web, and kill them with drones. 
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Koppite
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Posted - 2007.03.21 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Padma Sky
Edited by: Padma Sky on 20/03/2007 14:28:41
hi: 3x small nos
med: 1x scramblers, 2x webber , 1x passive targeter
low: cpr ( and small rep if u can fit )
drones: 5x hammerheat T2 ( medium drones)
Find someone is mining ( he will not warp because u are in a mining ship) and then passive target, scramble + double web, and kill them with drones.
hmmmm silly if u mine alone in 0.0 anywyas methinks...click on corp tell members getting attacked 4 warp in scramble u and then i go change ship come back and take great pleasure in podding u instead. 
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Charok
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.29 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Padma Sky
Edited by: Padma Sky on 20/03/2007 14:28:41
hi: 3x small nos
med: 1x scramblers, 2x webber , 1x passive targeter
low: cpr ( and small rep if u can fit )
drones: 5x hammerheat T2 ( medium drones)
Find someone is mining ( he will not warp because u are in a mining ship) and then passive target, scramble + double web, and kill them with drones.
Bring that out with me and see how fast my alt in the Myr can target jam warp scram and NOS you down.. PS I likely would not kill you I would make you eject and take the hulk.
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Madari
Caldari
Spaced Cowboys
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Posted - 2007.04.12 16:01:00 -
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you could give up the 2 MLU's and replace them with 2 T2 cargo expanders and expander rigs. Those with 5 cans can get you 21.6k of cargo space. That way you can mine and haul in the same ship.
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Victor Ivanov
Minmatar
Liberty Rogues
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.04.12 16:03:00 -
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Strip miners in high
Only cap rechargers in med
Mining Upgrades in low.
...Yes, I am sore about leaving 3 hulks at 50% structure when I went suicide bombing in a .9 system a while ago. =\
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.04.12 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Padma Sky
Edited by: Padma Sky on 20/03/2007 14:28:41
hi: 3x small nos
med: 1x scramblers, 2x webber , 1x passive targeter
low: cpr ( and small rep if u can fit )
drones: 5x hammerheat T2 ( medium drones)
Find someone is mining ( he will not warp because u are in a mining ship) and then passive target, scramble + double web, and kill them with drones.
I'm thinking against someone in a properly tanked Hulk (as described above) it's you who will dead when they set their own drones back on you.
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Caldari Online
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Posted - 2007.04.12 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Madari
you could give up the 2 MLU's and replace them with 2 T2 cargo expanders and expander rigs. Those with 5 cans can get you 21.6k of cargo space. That way you can mine and haul in the same ship.
good advice.
i would also suggest orbiting around your can if you have BS rats shooting at you, it will mean they miss some of the time if not all the time. also helps vs some cruisers.
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Cyrus Deacon
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Posted - 2007.04.13 20:43:00 -
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how come i cant find a strip miner 2 on the market? im just looking around threw posts.
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Mona X
Caldari
C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.04.13 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Bel Garan
Fairly easy, since there's actually only one proper setup:
Hi: 3x Strip Miner II
Med: 1x Gistii-A Small Shield Booster, 1x Eutetic Cap Recharger, 2x NPC Specific Hardener
Low: 2x MLU
I'm just testing 1x Gistii, 2x named kinetic amplifer, 1x thermal named amplifer (skilling for tech 2).
Works great with Guristas (mainly kinetic heavy/cruise/torps, sometimes hybrids and thermal light missiles). Its cheap and easy for cap.
Originally by: Cyrus Deacon
how come i cant find a strip miner 2 on the market? im just looking around threw posts.
Look for Modulated Strip Miner II
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Zach Gunn
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Posted - 2007.05.04 12:07:00 -
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If you're going to use faction equipment and tank, why not go the whole 9 yards so you can tank any spawn in 0.0?
3x Modulated Strip Miner II
2x Gistii A-type shield boosters
2x Rat specific Gist C-type hardeners
2x MLU
2x CCC rigs
There's enough cap to run everything non-stop if you stagger the MSMs; if you use T2 rigs you don't even have to do that. Rat-specific resists will be in the range of 77(if EM) to 90(if expl). There's just barely enough CPU left that you can switch one of the gist hardeners for a pith c-type, to give you a little extra boost to one of your resists. Shield boosting plus regen gives a total of 67 shields per second, which with those resists is more than enough to tank any spawn in 0.0, even without the added advantage of having a very small sig radius.
Yeah it's an expensive setup, but no pain no gain, hey?
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Carnor Jax
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Posted - 2007.05.23 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Zach Gunn
If you're going to use faction equipment and tank, why not go the whole 9 yards so you can tank any spawn in 0.0?
3x Modulated Strip Miner II
2x Gistii A-type shield boosters
2x Rat specific Gist C-type hardeners
2x MLU
2x CCC rigs
There's enough cap to run everything non-stop if you stagger the MSMs; if you use T2 rigs you don't even have to do that. Rat-specific resists will be in the range of 77(if EM) to 90(if expl). There's just barely enough CPU left that you can switch one of the gist hardeners for a pith c-type, to give you a little extra boost to one of your resists. Shield boosting plus regen gives a total of 67 shields per second, which with those resists is more than enough to tank any spawn in 0.0, even without the added advantage of having a very small sig radius.
Yeah it's an expensive setup, but no pain no gain, hey?
I'm going to try this setup. I went with the normal setup and the hauler option (low slots with cargo expander 2's, and rigs were cargo rigs...but I'm in Sansha territory, and this setup wouldn't tank crap in true low sec sansha space).
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Keri Rydell
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Posted - 2007.05.23 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Zach Gunn
2x CCC rigs
There's enough cap to run everything non-stop if you stagger the MSMs;
Hmmm... Empire mining must be very different power requirements wise: my Hulk has 750 cap with 140 secs recharge rate - why would you need to add CCC rigs/ stagger MSMs? I can fire up all 3 MSM simultaneously, stop them, fire them up again and still have enough cap left to then stagger them into action.
I have a single Cargo rig at the moment but would have to install the second one when I finally reconcile the cost of T2 crystals with 12.5% hike in output . With T1 crystals I have enough hold capacity for 2 cycles + spare crystals. With T2s - you'd need more space. CPU is tight (don't want to waste time training Mining Upgrades unless I have to) but Cap - I never even think about it while in a Hulk... 
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Carnor Jax
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Posted - 2007.05.23 16:32:00 -
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I should clarify, what are CCC rigs? Cap rigs of some sort I imagine, but which ones specifically?
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Keri Rydell
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Posted - 2007.05.23 17:14:00 -
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CCC = Capacitor Control Circuit, no drawbacks, just boost to your capacitor recharge rate - a beauty, although a costly one (~20M ISK cost in salvage at ideal ME)
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n'yleth
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Posted - 2007.05.23 18:22:00 -
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Absolute crazy-best is, according to quick-fit
2 pithum a-type hardeners
Cap recharger t2
Gistii A-type
This setup fits with .05 CPU left over with perfect skills :_)
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Carnor Jax
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Posted - 2007.05.24 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: n'yleth
Absolute crazy-best is, according to quick-fit
2 pithum a-type hardeners
Cap recharger t2
Gistii A-type
This setup fits with .05 CPU left over with perfect skills :_)
Are you sure about that? I have a hard time believing this would tank better than 2 Gistii a-types...? I'm going against Sansha's so I have to be very careful as they are the worst type to go against the hulk, obviously from the resists.
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n'yleth
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Posted - 2007.05.24 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Carnor Jax
Are you sure about that? I have a hard time believing this would tank better than 2 Gistii a-types...? I'm going against Sansha's so I have to be very careful as they are the worst type to go against the hulk, obviously from the resists.
Ya. Gist-A is like....34 passive, and...59 active, vs. 44 passive and 61 active on the Pith-A
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Elspeth Vigneron
Caldari
Phoenix Logistics Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.24 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jester Marc
I was wondering if I could get some advice on how to fit my Hulk. I just finished training my skill of Exhumer 4 and am new to exhumers and relatively new to mining.
I plan on mining in 0.0 space on whatever is the best return for my investment.
Thank you.
"...relatively new to mining" and you're at Exhumers IV? People in frigates and cruisers are "relatively new to mining..."
Of course, looking at your bio... My advice is to join a real corporation and learn the ropes. As for 0.0 mining, if you think you're going to traipse on down to 0.0 and not get blown into bits, you're kidding yourself.
And, no, I'm not being mean. Nobody who's been in the game as long as your employment history and characteristics should be so entirely clueless to this. So I'm guessing you've just got this character however you got it.
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Ulesi
FinFleet
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Posted - 2007.05.25 05:41:00 -
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The "be-all end-all" Hulk setup is
2x Modulated Strip Miner IIs
1x Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster
2x Rat Specific Hardners
1x Eucetic Cap Recharger
2x Expanded Cargohold IIs
2x Cargo Optimzation Rigs
5x Hammerhead IIs
End-o-Story
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n'yleth
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Posted - 2007.05.25 14:50:00 -
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Basically, as that guy said, find a corp.
However, find one that's relatively deep in low-sec, will leave you alone. Low-sec is sparesly populated and so long as you get past your corps sentries, you're basically free to solo-mine (of course the occasional war presents itself )
I've yet to be priate-owned. I've only been at it for 2/3 weeks, but it seems a safe strategy.
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