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GNGMark
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Posted - 2008.02.22 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: GNGMark on 22/02/2008 15:09:39
Edited by: GNGMark on 22/02/2008 15:09:15
Well am surprised no one has asked... what about the set up for pvp JNB came up with? It's on you tube, kinda grainy so i cant make out the low slots. Can anyone suggest a similar set up that would be just as effective vs. can thieves ? I understand the nosferatu got nerfed...
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Daqinson
The Abyss Corporation
Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.22 15:12:00 -
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That setup can tank a 3 BS spawn? lol you are dreaming |
Imax Vespertilio
Caldari
Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu
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Posted - 2008.03.05 21:23:00 -
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Ok, I understand the setups fairly well, but MY question is, what sort of drones should I use to protect myself? At the moment I'm using Hobgoblin II's which is more then fine for Hi-security rats,but I know that wont work in other places or against pvp attackers
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The TX
Earth Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.18 09:28:00 -
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Nice thread this - came in very helpful for me looking for a hulk tanking-setup.
Lots of the setup suggestions are the same, suggesting there is a 'best' setup for 0.0 mining. Does anyone know/think that the setup needs to be tweaked or fine-tuned if you're in a gang whereby the gang leader is using the shield boosting mods?
My plan is to use the three shield boosting mods that are available for gangs, the one that decreases shield rep cycle time, the one that reduces shield rep cap usage, and the one that improves resistances. also wanna use some shield repping drones to help top-up the shields on the hulks that are being targeted by 0.0 rats.
Your thoughts, please.
Ta, TX.
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The TX
Earth Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.18 09:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Imax Vespertilio
Ok, I understand the setups fairly well, but MY question is, what sort of drones should I use to protect myself? At the moment I'm using Hobgoblin II's which is more then fine for Hi-security rats,but I know that wont work in other places or against pvp attackers
I think the general idea is not to have to tackle other players in your hulk - you cannot defend against that.
I personally think that Hulks should get another mid slot..... 
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HRRNighthawk
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2008.03.19 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Chris31miller
I have no experience mining in 0.0 or lowsec with my hulk yet but .5 systems and higher. I use Pithi/Gisti (at work and not in game, can't remember) b-type small booster. They are just as good without the 200 mil price. picked mine up for 15 mil if I remember. I also picked up a c-type (once again cant remember if it was a pithi or Gisti) for 6 mil. They are out there just keep an eye on the contract. But on average run 15-25 mil for b and c types.
Tank better? Sure, but check your cap recharge. Gistii-A usually can permatank. Pithi is a much higher activation (well, much higher for a Hulk).
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jnb
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.19 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: jnb on 19/03/2008 16:35:14
Originally by: GNGMark
Edited by: GNGMark on 22/02/2008 15:09:39
Edited by: GNGMark on 22/02/2008 15:09:15
Well am surprised no one has asked... what about the set up for pvp JNB came up with? It's on you tube, kinda grainy so i cant make out the low slots. Can anyone suggest a similar set up that would be just as effective vs. can thieves ? I understand the nosferatu got nerfed...
Heyya GNG -
In the vid I used:
Highs: 1x Strip Miner (to look real and pass the time), 2x Small T2 NOSes
Mid: 1x T2 Small shield booster (or sometimes Gist A-type), 1x best named web, 1x best named scram, and then something utility - sometime ECM, sometimes invuln field or whatever
Lows: 2x WCS (big wuss, I know)
No rigs.
However - I have a much better (win or die  - none of this warp core stabs malarkey any more) setup nowadays - esp post the NOS nerf, as follows:
Highs: 1x Strip, 2x T2 Small Neuts
Mids: 1x T2 Small Shield Booster, 1x best named web, 1x best named scram, 1x Jammer
Lows: 1x DCU II, 1x Shield Relay
No rigs (though I'd fit shield recharge rigs if I could be bothered).
That second Hulk fit works a treat. If you're solely looking for PvP, and the ore thieves aren't paying any attention at all, you might be able to squeeze a third T2 Neut instead of the strip for maximum lulz.
Fly safe o/
EDIT: I realise this build doesn't answer the OPs question, as it has little-to-nothing to do with mining. It's just a response to GNGs q about combat Hulks.
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jnb
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.20 15:57:00 -
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And doh - forgot to mention drones.
Again, this varied a bit from fight to fight, but was most often 5x Hammerhead IIs. Sometimes I'd mix this up a bit (3x Hammerhead IIs and 4x Warrior IIs) as spares do come in handy.
As the drones are your only method of directly dealing any damage I really can't stress the importance of having decent drone skills enough. You'll want Drones V, Scout Drones V, Combat Drones V, Drone Sharpshooting IV, Drone Durability IV, Drone Navigation IV & Drone Interfacing IV as a bare minimum before really trying this setup against anything larger than frigs.
It's a bit Catch-22. The dronebay and bandwidth limits on the Hulk and the inability to fit any other damage-dealing weapon types pretty much mean that you can only fight very small ships, and very small ships tend to be the best and popping drones (in a non-smartbomb Empire context anyway).
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Temijin
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Posted - 2008.05.06 04:54:00 -
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Some great builds here. Here is the one I am using
3X Modulated Strip Miner II
Survey Scanner II
Small Sheild Booster II
Invulerability Shield I
Cap Recharger II
2x Expanded Cargo Hold II
2X Cargo Optimization I
5 x Hammerhead II
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Syr Dunstin
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Posted - 2008.05.18 00:54:00 -
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Ah...I have a Question for Y'all w/ the understanding that I learned My 0.0 mining from a guy who takes home 1.5 bil a week, mining Merc, Ark, Bist, and Crok. This may not impress y'all, but impressed the hell out of me.
The Question: If you can permatank the spawn, why kill it off? Let it shoot you till the cows come home. No more spawns arrive, and your mining Drones are safe. I've done this for Hours. Comments?
Oh, and to the guy with the BC in the Gang and the shield links...?!? Have him perma tank the Spawn, yank out those shield links and throw in Mining Director links, and Really go to town! This was SOP for our mining Ops. Comments on that one?
I won't even go into the guy in the Rorq, defending 5 miners from a PVP fleet of Vagas and Ishtars who said in local "You need to up your dps...I can do this all day..."
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.05.18 06:16:00 -
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Empire mining setup on the cheap.
Highs: 3x Strip II
Meds: 1x Invul II 1x Ore scanner 2x Small extender
Lows: 2x MLU II
Rigs: None or cargo rigs if your rich and lazy.
0.0/low sec setup on the cheap.
Highs: 3x Strip I
Meds: 2x Invul II 1x Small Extender II 1x Med Extender II
Lows: 1x PDS II 1x MAPC I
Rigs: 2x Core Defense Field Extender I
The 0.0 fit should easily tank any spawn you care to throw at it.
inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan |
De'Nab
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Posted - 2008.06.02 11:30:00 -
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shield hardeners when mining in 0.0 - passive or active hardeners for Angel Rats?
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Disiegor
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.06.13 05:33:00 -
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has anybody experience with tanking 0.0 drone npc's in a hulk ?
i"m about to try it with the standard fitting but was wondering if someone got any good tips for me !
in worst case scenario i'll just have 2 accounts mining with shield maintenance drones healing each other. that should do the job, but i'd rather be able to tank with only 1 hulk.
thx in advance for any suggestions.
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Tangolex
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Posted - 2008.06.13 16:11:00 -
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I'm a lone 0.0 miner and have been for along time now, i'll sit in a side belt away from the main belt and work the roids around me as need, sometimes i have a bonus but often not, this is my setup for a kinetic/heat tank which runs permanently and without care for what spawn attacks, 6 * cruiser spawns dont even bother this, i know its not the gisti setup and yes you do have to cycle the strippers 1minute apart, but it works and runs safely :-) Alot of these modules i managed to pick up either cheap or through plexer's looking to sell quick. Allas EA has caused a drastic increase in the dread CPU need hence the low slot cpu module now, prior that was a cargo expander. Many may wonder why a split tank? With with up to 40% heat damage from hybrid ammo the effective shield without it quickly drops under 8k, as my setup its easily 11k and if pure kinetic only damage tops out around 15k effective shield. Not to shabby really. Many people have asked me for my setup and followed happily, so thought i would finally share it with you all, have a laugh, i am sure others will not agree with my selection, all i can say is thank EFT for this.
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Strip Miner II * 3
Mid
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
Dread Guristas Heat Dissipation Amplifier
Gist C-Type Ballistic Deflection Field
Low
CPU Module of some kind due to change in DG CPU need
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Rigs
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Drone: 5 * vespa T2's, kills up to 1mil rats, above one has to tank or get in a ratter if the booms get to annoying, lol. |
Nul Settys
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Posted - 2008.06.13 20:50:00 -
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Quote:
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
Dread Guristas Heat Dissipation Amplifier
Gist C-Type Ballistic Deflection Field
Wowie...to need such a huge tank, you must be living in some very nice real estate. I've never encountered a spawn that would require a Pithi-B AND a shield boost amp. |
supr3m3justic3
ACE'S OVER 8'S
The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2008.06.13 21:26:00 -
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HULK SMASH!
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Red lensman
BlackSky inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:28:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Red lensman on 13/06/2008 23:35:15
Edited by: Red lensman on 13/06/2008 23:33:16
For high sec 1.0-0.5 you don't need to tank a hulk as normal passive recharge will tank most rats so fit
3x stripminers
1x roid scanner 2, (3x any thing you want)
2x MLU 2's
1+ cargo optimiser's rigs
5 mining drones 2's
5 hobgoblin 2 or sheild rep drones
and just let the rats agro you and then release the mining drones and mine. you need the tech 2 roid scanner when you have a rorqual or fleet command ship with 3 mining gang mods as the range one will give you 22.5km range with strip miners. With gang mods and maxed skill you get around 2k m3 per of ore min with the drones
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Himeko
Gallente
Democracy of Klingon Brothers
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.07.25 06:14:00 -
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well i use this against sansha in 0.0, so far ive been able to tank 3 900k BS spawn with 2 frigs and no problem at all:
High:
3x MSM II
Meds:
1x Pithi b-type shield booster
1x Pith b-type photon scattering field
1x Pith b-type heat dissipation field
1x Viscoelastic EM ward salubrity
Low:
1x MLU II
1x PDU II
Rigs:
Anti-EM screen
Anti-therm screen
Skills used:
All shield related to 4 but shield ops that is at 5
Exhumers 5
Cap related at 5
can permarun everything just by staggering a little the strips.
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Hulk x
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.09.28 09:56:00 -
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Edited by: Hulk x on 28/09/2008 10:05:23
I would like to know what setup is recommended for 0.0 Angle rats?
I would like to use 2xMLU T2 and MSMII. I have someone to haul for me so no need for expander. I do not want to kill the rats just want to tank them.
What should i put in mids and rig slots?
My Skills are:
Exhumers lv5
Energy Managemnet/systems operation lv5
Shield Compensation/Management/Operation lv5
Shield Upgrades lv4
Mining upgrades lv4
Electronics/Engineering lv5
and resist compensation to lv3
Implants:
Zainou 'Gypsy' KMB-50 (Would KMB-75 be better?)
'Highwall' HX-2
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Khadur
Minmatar
The Priory
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Posted - 2008.09.28 16:38:00 -
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It's a trap
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Pteranodon
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Posted - 2008.09.29 15:53:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Carnor Jax
Edited by: Carnor Jax on 25/05/2007 18:10:03
Originally by: Ulesi
The "be-all end-all" Hulk setup is
3x Modulated Strip Miner IIs
1x Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster
2x Rat Specific Hardners
1x Eucetic Cap Recharger
2x Expanded Cargohold IIs
2x Cargo Optimzation Rigs
5x Hammerhead IIs
End-o-Story 
You must not mine in true low sec space or with Sansha's! I have this exact setup and last night came within 2 seconds of losing my new hulk to a triple 950,000 isk Sansha BS spawn with a few frigs as well. They tore through my defenses like I didn't even have a shield booster on. I'm going to ditch the cargo rigs, ditch the cargo expanders, ditch the T2 cap recharger, and fit 2 cap recharge rigs, add a second gistii-a shield booster, and fit a mix of PDU T2's and mining upgrades if I can use a mining upgrade with this setup and run the tank, i'm not sure, and possibly shell out 100 mil a piece for some faction hardeners. of course sansha's are the hulks weak spot, so that doesn't help. But I can literally be torn to the ground in a matter of seconds, imagine if a triple 1.7mil BS spawn would've jumped on top of me? I'd be short a hulk right now I can tell you that much. And I'm caldari and have pretty decent shield skills...
I'm sorry you nearly lost your Hulk. It is not a nice experience. Can I suggest you use the setup below. It can tank anything you can throw at it & it was unfazed even by a pith swarm throwing out buckets of damage. I can vouch for its effectiveness having used the fit for nearly 3 months without any rat busting it.
Low
2 True Sansha Power Diagnostics
Mids
Gistii A-type small shield Booster & Amplifier, Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field, Dread Guristas explosion dampening field (or other rat type)
Highs
Strip miners of Choice
Rigs
2 capacitor control circuits
This fit will run indefinetly and the only time you ever need to pulse the strip miners is when you use deepcore mining versions. Good luck with your mining & watch out for Neuts as this fit is a "paradise" find if you get caught.
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Pteranodon
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Posted - 2008.09.29 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Daqinson
That setup can tank a 3 BS spawn? lol you are dreaming
This one can tank 5- I know i've done it in 0.0
Low-2 True Sansha Power Diagnostic
Mids Gistii a-type small shield booster & Amp, Dread Guristas invulnerability field & explosion dampening field
THe secret is all in the Gistii
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Baron Agamemnon
Caldari
Holy Grail Constructiion
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Posted - 2008.09.29 16:06:00 -
[113]
For empire mining I use this:
[Hulk, Red Dwarf]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II
Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Cargohold Optimization I
Cargohold Optimization I
Mining Drone II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Its more then enough there. :P
For low sec I would ditch the survey scanner II and get bigger drones :P
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Rhett Buttler
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Posted - 2008.10.01 20:13:00 -
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Edited by: Rhett Buttler on 01/10/2008 20:15:18
Edited by: Rhett Buttler on 01/10/2008 20:14:29
Edited by: Rhett Buttler on 01/10/2008 20:13:55
I use the basic setup that was discribed and use t1 strippers because I cant use the t2 strippers yet but here is my fit
3x-Strip Miner I
2x-Cargo Expander II
1x- Gistii B-Type small shield booster
1x- vm15 braced multispectral shield matrix
1x- (passave em shield res amp t1)
1x- cap recharger II
1x- CCC
1x- t1 em res rig
1x- sensor upgrade w/ range modifier
5x- Valkirie II's
sensor upgrade for range so that you can make a bit of money from the rats while you mine in 0.0 and it is able to tank 3x Drone queen bs's long enough to kill them and recharge the shields. the Hulk has good base resists you just need to buff up the EM in the drone regions and the others for the other regions that can be Faction Specific. but with my crappy skills I get it up to pretty good tanking about 500DPS permantly w/ cycling the lasers so that you get time to recharge the cap.
EDIT- formatting error
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Mikeal Landry
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Posted - 2008.10.16 04:51:00 -
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Edited by: Mikeal Landry on 16/10/2008 04:53:29
Greetings all,
I would like to ask a few drone questions. I have noticed no Vespa II drones are used. Why? I am training Caldari Adv Drone and would like to know if I am wasting my time. In addition, why do ppl not use the EW Vespa drones? I am thinking that 1 or 2 would allow a pilot to break the targeting process (specifically warp jammers)... What is wrong with my drone plan?
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De'Nab
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Posted - 2008.10.22 11:39:00 -
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I couldn't find Gistii mods for ages when I first started mining in 0.0 so had x2 CCC in rig slots & just used x1 t2 small shield booster and x3 t2 expl damp fields in the mids & swapping my mining drones for t2 valks. Boosted my exp dam resist to 93% & was able to tank all Angel spawns incl Seraphim & Cherubim & just used the valks to kill the frigs. Criminal, I know but it worked  . Now I just use the "classic" set-up.
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Phoebe Mettalmag
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.03 06:28:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Jal Rikta
Originally by: Ishina Fel
If you want to invest a few million more, try two capacitor control circuit rigs, and a shield rig that reduces booster cycle time. That should be able to handle all 0.0 spawns then.
What do you do with said spawns, drones to plink at them till they die or tanking good enough to just let them atack till you are done?
the same question :)
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Phoebe Mettalmag
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.03 06:41:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Rhett Buttler
Edited by: Rhett Buttler on 01/10/2008 20:15:18
Edited by: Rhett Buttler on 01/10/2008 20:14:29
Edited by: Rhett Buttler on 01/10/2008 20:13:55
I use the basic setup that was discribed and use t1 strippers because I cant use the t2 strippers yet but here is my fit
3x-Strip Miner I
2x-Cargo Expander II
1x- Gistii B-Type small shield booster
1x- vm15 braced multispectral shield matrix
1x- (passave em shield res amp t1)
1x- cap recharger II
1x- CCC
1x- t1 em res rig
1x- sensor upgrade w/ range modifier
5x- Valkirie II's
EDIT- formatting error
can someone write this fit in other way? i want to find em on market  thx a lot
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2008.11.03 10:33:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Baron Agamemnon
For empire mining I use this:
[Hulk, Red Dwarf]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II
Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Cargohold Optimization I
Cargohold Optimization I
Mining Drone II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
For high sec I support this, more then enough tank to take care of any rat ever in high sec. This tank can take on can flippers as well you are feeling bold ;)
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Tyranis Marcus
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Posted - 2008.11.21 10:01:00 -
[120]
Ok here's my weird Hulk setup. My goal was to be able to tank 0.0 bs spawns without sacrificing any mining yield. (I couldn't bring myself to put T1 MLU's on my Hulk.)
Lows:
2x Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mids:
Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster
Copasetic I Particle Field Acceleration
Azeotropic EM Ward Salubrity
Supplemental Thermal Barrier Emitter
Highs:
3x Modulated Strip Miner II
Rigs:
2x Core Defense Operational Solidifier I
Tanks 176 DPS omni while maintaining a full rack of t2 mlu's in the lows.
Shield resists are: 57/65.6/62.5/75 and the booster gives 74.1 shield boost every 1.445 seconds. Tank and strip miners perma-run, as long as you stagger them a bit.
The hardeners were chosen for the drone regions. I've tanked a single bs spawn there with it easily. It couldn't even dent the tank, but I never got to try a triple before leaving that area. |
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