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Jester Marc	Posted - 2007.03.10 08:55:00 - [1] I was wondering if I could get some advice on how to fit my Hulk. I just finished training my skill of Exhumer 4 and am new to exhumers and relatively new to mining. I plan on mining in 0.0 space on whatever is the best return for my investment. Thank you.
Bel Garan Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation	Posted - 2007.03.10 10:29:00 - [2] Fairly easy, since there's actually only one proper setup: Hi: 3x Strip Miner II Med: 1x Gistii-A Small Shield Booster, 1x Eutetic Cap Recharger, 2x NPC Specific Hardener Low: 2x MLU -------------------------- Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Golden Druid	Posted - 2007.03.10 10:53:00 - [3] Med: 1x Gistii-A Small Shield Booster, 1x Eutetic Cap Recharger, 2x NPC Specific Hardener. I would agree with a small shield booster but I went T2, I would however take out the cap re-charger and slot in a shield resistance amp to back up the two hardners, In the Lows I have 1 mining laser upgrade module and a PDS
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.10 11:12:00 - [4] The classic gist a-type small / cap recharger / 2 hardeners setup is quoted so often because it fits with 2 mining laser upgrades, can handle most (not all) 0.0 spawns and is infinitely sustainable in terms of cap if you stagger the miners. You can sit in the belt, turn on your lasers and booster, and read a book till the rocks die. (Okay, watching local might still be a good idea ) If you want to invest a few million more, try two capacitor control circuit rigs, and a shield rig that reduces booster cycle time. That should be able to handle all 0.0 spawns then.
Jester Marc	Posted - 2007.03.10 14:21:00 - [5] Thanks to all for your time and suggestions. Special thanks to Ishina Fel for the explaining the reasons behind the setup to a mining noob!!!
Jal Rikta Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2007.03.13 17:10:00 - [6] Originally by: Ishina Fel If you want to invest a few million more, try two capacitor control circuit rigs, and a shield rig that reduces booster cycle time. That should be able to handle all 0.0 spawns then. What do you do with said spawns, drones to plink at them till they die or tanking good enough to just let them atack till you are done?
Ghostshadow Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2007.03.13 17:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Ishina Fel If you want to invest a few million more, try two capacitor control circuit rigs, and a shield rig that reduces booster cycle time. That should be able to handle all 0.0 spawns then. hulk only has 2 rig slots right? ____________________________________________ A * B = C A = Skill Points B = GPA C = a Constant. Guess what happens to B as A increases.
IceHound	Posted - 2007.03.20 14:03:00 - [8] Quote: Hi: 3x Strip Miner II Med: 1x Gistii-A Small Shield Booster, 1x Eutetic Cap Recharger, 2x NPC Specific Hardener Low: 2x MLU I use a very similar set up to this except I put PDUs in the lows (cap skills bite) and a T2 booster. Mining in drone space the hardeners are 2 x Invuls. 5 x medium drones take care of most spawns (although slowly), but I've considered swapping 1 Invul for a shield extender. Thoughts?
Sexorella hotz Beasts of Burden	Posted - 2007.03.20 14:14:00 - [9] Just a slight change to what has been proposed. Everyone seems to like sticking a cap recharger on, and no one has mentioned rigs. I use a Gistii A-type shield booster, 2 dread guristas hardeners(good CPU usage, T2 stats, not too expensive unless you want invuln field), and a survey scanner(afterall, you are a miner) and pop in a capacitor control circuit and semiconductor watcha-ma-call-it(cap capacity rig), when I go out to mine, I pull up my system clock, start the tank up, and then every 60 seconds start a mining laser. Everything runs just fine, and I can see what I'm mining.
Sexorella hotz Beasts of Burden	Posted - 2007.03.20 14:16:00 - [10] Edited by: Sexorella hotz on 20/03/2007 14:13:52 Originally by: Ishina Fel The classic gist a-type small / cap recharger / 2 hardeners setup is quoted so often because it fits with 2 mining laser upgrades, can handle most (not all) 0.0 spawns and is infinitely sustainable in terms of cap if you stagger the miners. You can sit in the belt, turn on your lasers and booster, and read a book till the rocks die. (Okay, watching local might still be a good idea ) If you want to invest a few million more, try two capacitor control circuit rigs, and a shield rig that reduces booster cycle time. That should be able to handle all 0.0 spawns then. Originally by: IceHound I use a very similar set up to this except I put PDUs in the lows (cap skills bite) and a T2 booster. Mining in drone space the hardeners are 2 x Invuls. 5 x medium drones take care of most spawns (although slowly), but I've considered swapping 1 Invul for a shield extender. Thoughts? Just a slight note on that comment about the shield rig, a lot of the hulks ability to tank comes from its very small size, so be careful with anything that might make it bigger, like a shield rig, the effects might cancel each other out, meaning there are potentially better options. Not saying it won't work, just something to consider. Same comment on the shield extender.

Padma Sky Lumen Et Umbra	Posted - 2007.03.20 14:31:00 - [11] Edited by: Padma Sky on 20/03/2007 14:28:41 hi: 3x small nos med: 1x scramblers, 2x webber , 1x passive targeter low: cpr ( and small rep if u can fit ) drones: 5x hammerheat T2 ( medium drones) Find someone is mining ( he will not warp because u are in a mining ship) and then passive target, scramble + double web, and kill them with drones.
Koppite	Posted - 2007.03.21 15:57:00 - [12] Originally by: Padma Sky Edited by: Padma Sky on 20/03/2007 14:28:41 hi: 3x small nos med: 1x scramblers, 2x webber , 1x passive targeter low: cpr ( and small rep if u can fit ) drones: 5x hammerheat T2 ( medium drones) Find someone is mining ( he will not warp because u are in a mining ship) and then passive target, scramble + double web, and kill them with drones. hmmmm silly if u mine alone in 0.0 anywyas methinks...click on corp tell members getting attacked 4 warp in scramble u and then i go change ship come back and take great pleasure in podding u instead.
Charok Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.29 01:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Padma Sky Edited by: Padma Sky on 20/03/2007 14:28:41 hi: 3x small nos med: 1x scramblers, 2x webber , 1x passive targeter low: cpr ( and small rep if u can fit ) drones: 5x hammerheat T2 ( medium drones) Find someone is mining ( he will not warp because u are in a mining ship) and then passive target, scramble + double web, and kill them with drones. Bring that out with me and see how fast my alt in the Myr can target jam warp scram and NOS you down.. PS I likely would not kill you I would make you eject and take the hulk. ET PWN Home!
Madari Caldari Spaced Cowboys	Posted - 2007.04.12 16:01:00 - [14] you could give up the 2 MLU's and replace them with 2 T2 cargo expanders and expander rigs. Those with 5 cans can get you 21.6k of cargo space. That way you can mine and haul in the same ship.
Victor Ivanov Minmatar Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.12 16:03:00 - [15] Strip miners in high Only cap rechargers in med Mining Upgrades in low. ...Yes, I am sore about leaving 3 hulks at 50% structure when I went suicide bombing in a .9 system a while ago. =\ ----------------------
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.04.12 16:20:00 - [16] Originally by: Padma Sky Edited by: Padma Sky on 20/03/2007 14:28:41 hi: 3x small nos med: 1x scramblers, 2x webber , 1x passive targeter low: cpr ( and small rep if u can fit ) drones: 5x hammerheat T2 ( medium drones) Find someone is mining ( he will not warp because u are in a mining ship) and then passive target, scramble + double web, and kill them with drones. I'm thinking against someone in a properly tanked Hulk (as described above) it's you who will dead when they set their own drones back on you.
Caldari Online	Posted - 2007.04.12 16:59:00 - [17] Originally by: Madari you could give up the 2 MLU's and replace them with 2 T2 cargo expanders and expander rigs. Those with 5 cans can get you 21.6k of cargo space. That way you can mine and haul in the same ship. good advice. i would also suggest orbiting around your can if you have BS rats shooting at you, it will mean they miss some of the time if not all the time. also helps vs some cruisers.
Cyrus Deacon	Posted - 2007.04.13 20:43:00 - [18] how come i cant find a strip miner 2 on the market? im just looking around threw posts.
Mona X Caldari C0VEN	Posted - 2007.04.13 22:17:00 - [19] Originally by: Bel Garan Fairly easy, since there's actually only one proper setup: Hi: 3x Strip Miner II Med: 1x Gistii-A Small Shield Booster, 1x Eutetic Cap Recharger, 2x NPC Specific Hardener Low: 2x MLU I'm just testing 1x Gistii, 2x named kinetic amplifer, 1x thermal named amplifer (skilling for tech 2). Works great with Guristas (mainly kinetic heavy/cruise/torps, sometimes hybrids and thermal light missiles). Its cheap and easy for cap. Originally by: Cyrus Deacon how come i cant find a strip miner 2 on the market? im just looking around threw posts. Look for Modulated Strip Miner II
Zach Gunn	Posted - 2007.05.04 12:07:00 - [20] If you're going to use faction equipment and tank, why not go the whole 9 yards so you can tank any spawn in 0.0? 3x Modulated Strip Miner II 2x Gistii A-type shield boosters 2x Rat specific Gist C-type hardeners 2x MLU 2x CCC rigs There's enough cap to run everything non-stop if you stagger the MSMs; if you use T2 rigs you don't even have to do that. Rat-specific resists will be in the range of 77(if EM) to 90(if expl). There's just barely enough CPU left that you can switch one of the gist hardeners for a pith c-type, to give you a little extra boost to one of your resists. Shield boosting plus regen gives a total of 67 shields per second, which with those resists is more than enough to tank any spawn in 0.0, even without the added advantage of having a very small sig radius. Yeah it's an expensive setup, but no pain no gain, hey?

Carnor Jax	Posted - 2007.05.23 14:36:00 - [21] Originally by: Zach Gunn If you're going to use faction equipment and tank, why not go the whole 9 yards so you can tank any spawn in 0.0? 3x Modulated Strip Miner II 2x Gistii A-type shield boosters 2x Rat specific Gist C-type hardeners 2x MLU 2x CCC rigs There's enough cap to run everything non-stop if you stagger the MSMs; if you use T2 rigs you don't even have to do that. Rat-specific resists will be in the range of 77(if EM) to 90(if expl). There's just barely enough CPU left that you can switch one of the gist hardeners for a pith c-type, to give you a little extra boost to one of your resists. Shield boosting plus regen gives a total of 67 shields per second, which with those resists is more than enough to tank any spawn in 0.0, even without the added advantage of having a very small sig radius. Yeah it's an expensive setup, but no pain no gain, hey? I'm going to try this setup. I went with the normal setup and the hauler option (low slots with cargo expander 2's, and rigs were cargo rigs...but I'm in Sansha territory, and this setup wouldn't tank crap in true low sec sansha space).
Keri Rydell	Posted - 2007.05.23 16:27:00 - [22] Originally by: Zach Gunn 2x CCC rigs There's enough cap to run everything non-stop if you stagger the MSMs; Hmmm... Empire mining must be very different power requirements wise: my Hulk has 750 cap with 140 secs recharge rate - why would you need to add CCC rigs/ stagger MSMs? I can fire up all 3 MSM simultaneously, stop them, fire them up again and still have enough cap left to then stagger them into action. I have a single Cargo rig at the moment but would have to install the second one when I finally reconcile the cost of T2 crystals with 12.5% hike in output . With T1 crystals I have enough hold capacity for 2 cycles + spare crystals. With T2s - you'd need more space. CPU is tight (don't want to waste time training Mining Upgrades unless I have to) but Cap - I never even think about it while in a Hulk...
Carnor Jax	Posted - 2007.05.23 16:32:00 - [23] I should clarify, what are CCC rigs? Cap rigs of some sort I imagine, but which ones specifically?
Keri Rydell	Posted - 2007.05.23 17:14:00 - [24] CCC = Capacitor Control Circuit, no drawbacks, just boost to your capacitor recharge rate - a beauty, although a costly one (~20M ISK cost in salvage at ideal ME)
n'yleth	Posted - 2007.05.23 18:22:00 - [25] Absolute crazy-best is, according to quick-fit 2 pithum a-type hardeners Cap recharger t2 Gistii A-type This setup fits with .05 CPU left over with perfect skills :_)
Carnor Jax	Posted - 2007.05.24 17:10:00 - [26] Originally by: n'yleth Absolute crazy-best is, according to quick-fit 2 pithum a-type hardeners Cap recharger t2 Gistii A-type This setup fits with .05 CPU left over with perfect skills :_) Are you sure about that? I have a hard time believing this would tank better than 2 Gistii a-types...? I'm going against Sansha's so I have to be very careful as they are the worst type to go against the hulk, obviously from the resists.
n'yleth	Posted - 2007.05.24 20:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Carnor Jax Are you sure about that? I have a hard time believing this would tank better than 2 Gistii a-types...? I'm going against Sansha's so I have to be very careful as they are the worst type to go against the hulk, obviously from the resists. Ya. Gist-A is like....34 passive, and...59 active, vs. 44 passive and 61 active on the Pith-A
Elspeth Vigneron Caldari Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.05.24 22:34:00 - [28] Originally by: Jester Marc I was wondering if I could get some advice on how to fit my Hulk. I just finished training my skill of Exhumer 4 and am new to exhumers and relatively new to mining. I plan on mining in 0.0 space on whatever is the best return for my investment. Thank you. "...relatively new to mining" and you're at Exhumers IV? People in frigates and cruisers are "relatively new to mining..." Of course, looking at your bio... My advice is to join a real corporation and learn the ropes. As for 0.0 mining, if you think you're going to traipse on down to 0.0 and not get blown into bits, you're kidding yourself. And, no, I'm not being mean. Nobody who's been in the game as long as your employment history and characteristics should be so entirely clueless to this. So I'm guessing you've just got this character however you got it. Phoenix Logistics Industries
Ulesi FinFleet	Posted - 2007.05.25 05:41:00 - [29] The "be-all end-all" Hulk setup is 2x Modulated Strip Miner IIs 1x Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster 2x Rat Specific Hardners 1x Eucetic Cap Recharger 2x Expanded Cargohold IIs 2x Cargo Optimzation Rigs 5x Hammerhead IIs End-o-Story
n'yleth	Posted - 2007.05.25 14:50:00 - [30] Basically, as that guy said, find a corp. However, find one that's relatively deep in low-sec, will leave you alone. Low-sec is sparesly populated and so long as you get past your corps sentries, you're basically free to solo-mine (of course the occasional war presents itself ) I've yet to be priate-owned. I've only been at it for 2/3 weeks, but it seems a safe strategy.

Carnor Jax	Posted - 2007.05.25 14:56:00 - [31] Edited by: Carnor Jax on 25/05/2007 18:10:03 Originally by: Ulesi The "be-all end-all" Hulk setup is 3x Modulated Strip Miner IIs 1x Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster 2x Rat Specific Hardners 1x Eucetic Cap Recharger 2x Expanded Cargohold IIs 2x Cargo Optimzation Rigs 5x Hammerhead IIs End-o-Story You must not mine in true low sec space or with Sansha's! I have this exact setup and last night came within 2 seconds of losing my new hulk to a triple 950,000 isk Sansha BS spawn with a few frigs as well. They tore through my defenses like I didn't even have a shield booster on. I'm going to ditch the cargo rigs, ditch the cargo expanders, ditch the T2 cap recharger, and fit 2 cap recharge rigs, add a second gistii-a shield booster, and fit a mix of PDU T2's and mining upgrades if I can use a mining upgrade with this setup and run the tank, i'm not sure, and possibly shell out 100 mil a piece for some faction hardeners. of course sansha's are the hulks weak spot, so that doesn't help. But I can literally be torn to the ground in a matter of seconds, imagine if a triple 1.7mil BS spawn would've jumped on top of me? I'd be short a hulk right now I can tell you that much. And I'm caldari and have pretty decent shield skills...
n'yleth	Posted - 2007.05.27 06:29:00 - [32] Originally by: Carnor Jax Edited by: Carnor Jax on 25/05/2007 18:10:03 Originally by: Ulesi The "be-all end-all" Hulk setup is 3x Modulated Strip Miner IIs 1x Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster 2x Rat Specific Hardners 1x Eucetic Cap Recharger 2x Expanded Cargohold IIs 2x Cargo Optimzation Rigs 5x Hammerhead IIs End-o-Story You must not mine in true low sec space or with Sansha's! I have this exact setup and last night came within 2 seconds of losing my new hulk to a triple 950,000 isk Sansha BS spawn with a few frigs as well. They tore through my defenses like I didn't even have a shield booster on. I'm going to ditch the cargo rigs, ditch the cargo expanders, ditch the T2 cap recharger, and fit 2 cap recharge rigs, add a second gistii-a shield booster, and fit a mix of PDU T2's and mining upgrades if I can use a mining upgrade with this setup and run the tank, i'm not sure, and possibly shell out 100 mil a piece for some faction hardeners. of course sansha's are the hulks weak spot, so that doesn't help. But I can literally be torn to the ground in a matter of seconds, imagine if a triple 1.7mil BS spawn would've jumped on top of me? I'd be short a hulk right now I can tell you that much. And I'm caldari and have pretty decent shield skills... MADNESS! You went lowsc.....in a HULK....without max skills minimum? Brave or stupid I do not know
Ulesi FinFleet	Posted - 2007.05.27 07:05:00 - [33] Originally by: Carnor Jax You must not mine in true low sec space or with Sansha's! I have this exact setup and last night came within 2 seconds of losing my new hulk to a triple 950,000 isk Sansha BS spawn with a few frigs as well. They tore through my defenses like I didn't even have a shield booster on. I'm going to ditch the cargo rigs, ditch the cargo expanders, ditch the T2 cap recharger, and fit 2 cap recharge rigs, add a second gistii-a shield booster, and fit a mix of PDU T2's and mining upgrades if I can use a mining upgrade with this setup and run the tank, i'm not sure, and possibly shell out 100 mil a piece for some faction hardeners. of course sansha's are the hulks weak spot, so that doesn't help. But I can literally be torn to the ground in a matter of seconds, imagine if a triple 1.7mil BS spawn would've jumped on top of me? I'd be short a hulk right now I can tell you that much. And I'm caldari and have pretty decent shield skills... Hmm never mined against EM damage...maybe put one EM rig and one cargo rig. But Ive tanked triple 1.7 Gurista spawns no problems. Even killed a Dread cruiser spawn one time with my drones
Emerald666 Amarr Initech Corporation Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2007.06.08 01:10:00 - [34] Edited by: Emerald666 on 08/06/2007 01:09:27 HINT: Tech level 2 vessels ALL carry only 2 Rig Slot. -.- Amarr 4TW! :)
Emerald666 Amarr Initech Corporation Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2007.06.08 01:14:00 - [35] Tech level 1 vessels ALL carry only 3 Rig Slots... With 400 Calibration. Amarr 4TW! :)
Blindbird	Posted - 2007.06.10 08:51:00 - [36] Originally by: Carnor Jax Edited by: Carnor Jax on 25/05/2007 18:10:03 Originally by: Ulesi The "be-all end-all" Hulk setup is 3x Modulated Yadda yadda snippy 5x Hammerhead IIs End-o-Story You must not mine in true low sec space or with Sansha's!snippy I'm going to snip add a second gistii-a shield booster, Snippetysnip And I'm caldari and have pretty decent shield skills... And what would you do with that second shield booster you nubbin?.. you sure cant run them at the same time. Anyways you obviouly cant boost enough to make up for the damage you are taking. and from playing around with setups myself I dont really think a shield boost amp will fit on the hulk. So you have to figure out how to take less damage. That means either boosting your resists or perhaps going faster. Taking out the Cargo Expanders will let you go faster, so there is some improvement already. putting in a damage control should give you another 2% resists to the highest resist.. an afterburner might also help, though I think you are better off putting in an invulnerability field. Even if its passive it should give you another 1-2% at max skill for the highest resist.. Low slots could be PDUIIs better shield and better cap.. overall nice.. and the cap recharge rigs should help let your cap keep up with your booster once it can keep up with the dps of the rats.. Or perhaps you have to face that a hulk cant tank everything that might be thrown at it.. had the same experience when I did a lvl 2 storyline mission in one :D Didnt have the proper modules or skill for tanking in it though..
Arendee	Posted - 2007.06.10 08:55:00 - [37] Wooops I posted with the wrong char.. Im the one that used my hulk for the storyline mission. The things you do to lose less minerals when refining. :D
GoTspeed Real Nice And Laidback Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.10 10:21:00 - [38] Im facing the same challenge with tanking 0.0 sanshas. Biggest I can tank with mentioned setups, exh. 4 and a anti-Em rig is 2x800k rats with support. my EM resistance is at +_80%, far too low ;)
Montague Snyde Gallente Spaced Cowboys	Posted - 2007.06.15 23:39:00 - [39] My humble setup is@ 3x Modulated Strip Miner IIs 1x Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster 2x Rat Specific Hardners 1x Eucetic Cap Recharger 2x Expanded Cargohold IIs in low sec and 2x Mining Laser Upgrades in high sec 2x Cargo Optimzation Rigs 5x Hammerhead IIs If a player comes into the low sec system you are in Run. Your hulk cannot stand up to a player unless you beg. But the rats, I've mined as low as 0.1 without any problems. No wait one problem but that's because I forgot to put the hardeners on. Any other setup really is a waste of space and ISK in lower sec.
Lagerby White Nova Industries Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.06.16 17:28:00 - [40] The previous setups work brilliantly. My personal setup is as follows.. It's a bit on the expensive side, but it gets the job done. High 3- Strip Miners Medium 1x Gistii-A Small Shield Booster 1x Domination Shield Boost Amplifier 2x Named NPC-specific hardeners Low Whatever you want. MLU's, PDU's, WCS.. Rig 2x Capacitor Control Circuit 1

fishslap	Posted - 2007.07.01 21:04:00 - [41] hi slots: 3x Strip miners t2 med slots: 1x ab low slots: 2x cargo expander t2 rigs: 2x cargo op t2s large cargo area. nearly or more than half a can. best used in safer space unless with defenders in dangerous space
Haclya	Posted - 2007.07.23 08:10:00 - [42] I wonder if this setup is any good 3x Modulated Strip Miner II Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster 2x npc hadners Cap Recharger II 2x Aoede mining upgrades Anti-em screen reinforcer rig ccc rig
Mona X Caldari C0VEN	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:03:00 - [43] Originally by: Haclya I wonder if this setup is any good 3x Modulated Strip Miner II Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster 2x npc hadners Cap Recharger II 2x Aoede mining upgrades Anti-em screen reinforcer rig ccc rig No.
Kolwrath Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:14:00 - [44] Originally by: Ulesi The "be-all end-all" Hulk setup is 2x Modulated Strip Miner IIs 1x Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster 2x Rat Specific Hardners 1x Eucetic Cap Recharger 2x Expanded Cargohold IIs 2x Cargo Optimzation Rigs 5x Hammerhead IIs End-o-Story I am gonna second the 2x Expanded Cargo II's setup. My Alt does ninja mining in 0.1 and you generally speaking dont want to mine into a can. Its way to risky for some pirate to come and (if you get away with your hide) blow up your can. So mining into a hold is a good way to go. This also applies to empire where ore thieves or pirates steal ore from you, either for the ore, or as a trap so that they can gank you.
Lougra Gallente United Forces	Posted - 2007.07.24 06:07:00 - [45] Originally by: Padma Sky Edited by: Padma Sky on 20/03/2007 14:28:41 hi: 3x small nos med: 1x scramblers, 2x webber , 1x passive targeter low: cpr ( and small rep if u can fit ) drones: 5x hammerheat T2 ( medium drones) Find someone is mining ( he will not warp because u are in a mining ship) and then passive target, scramble + double web, and kill them with drones. My mining director can kill you a lot faster than you. So a free pod? is welcome then
Barthezz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:55:00 - [46] Against Sansha I ran a Gistii + DG Photon / Heat + Domi Invul \| 1 MLU + 1 Cap Flux T2 \| 2x shield-boost speed increase It was tanking a 3 BC + 1x 1.2m spawn, however then 2 additional 1.2's showed up and it broke my tank. I wonder if a SBA instead of domi invul would have been better. Yes if you stagger the strip miners this runs just fine. Normally you get 28.5 shield/sec, with the shield boost speed rigs you get 38 shield/sec. Excluding natural shield regen. Hmm, with a SBA that would go to 52.25 shield/sec, I'll have to test that. Was a bit disappointed about the hulk's tank, but its probably because its vs Sansha.
Boonaki Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:32:00 - [47] 1x hulk some strip miners some sort of shield hardners some stuff in teh lows 1 POS 1 carrier sitting at the pos assigning fighters to the hulk profit! Fear the Ibis of doom! 113
Ebusitanus Segunda Fundacion O X I D E	Posted - 2007.07.31 12:33:00 - [48] I just got my first Hulk yesterday and since I will stay for a good while in High sec doing my mining I think I will go like this: High: 3 MSMII Med: Gist-a small shield booster, Eutetic Cap recharger, 2 Rat specific hardeners. Low: Expanded cargo II x2 2x Cargo rigs My biggest problem is the can thieves and these can be avoided completely if I¦m my own hauler. If I add several secure cans for the 900 metric gain each then I¦m in business. If I would join up with a gang or corp mine in high sec I would exchange those expanded cargos for mining upgrades. ------------------------------------------------ "Stop quoting laws, we carry weapons!" Pompey the Great to the defenders of a besieged city who were crying outrage.
Stefx Gallente Moons of Pluto	Posted - 2007.07.31 12:52:00 - [49] Originally by: Carnor Jax Edited by: Carnor Jax on 25/05/2007 18:10:03 I'm going to ditch the cargo rigs, ditch the cargo expanders, ditch the T2 cap recharger, and fit 2 cap recharge rigs, You're going to scrap 80 Million isk in rigs by removing the cargo rigs. Might as well keep that hulk for high sec, and buy another hulk on which you can put your cap recharge rigs, IMO.
anillation	Posted - 2007.07.31 12:53:00 - [50] This is the only way to go if in 0.0 3x Modulated Strip Miner II 2x Gistii A-type shield boosters 2x Rat specific Dread Guristas type hardeners 1x Dread Guristas shield amp 2x MLU or 1x MLU and PDU II (depends on cap skills) 2x CCC rigs Expensive but best way to go.Was tanking 2 bs and 3 cruisers last night. Raven pilot who is in alliance came to belt as he was ratting immediately asked me your tanking those in a hulk, whats your setup.

Jorek Glayyd	Posted - 2007.08.02 15:57:00 - [51] hey Annilation, did u invent your hulk with 5 med slots? if so, i want to buy one :)
Mona X Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.02 16:33:00 - [52] Originally by: anillation Expensive but best way to go.Was tanking 2 bs and 3 cruisers last night. Raven pilot who is in alliance came to belt as he was ratting immediately asked me your tanking those in a hulk, whats your setup. What rats?
Amelia Device	Posted - 2007.08.02 17:05:00 - [53] I want to tank my Hulk in 0.0 but am currently in the drone regions - as drones dont have a specific damage type, could you give me any pointers to modifications that will let me tank drone rats in 0.0?
Royaldo Gallente KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.08.02 17:11:00 - [54] Originally by: Mona X Originally by: Haclya I wonder if this setup is any good 3x Modulated Strip Miner II Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster 2x npc hadners Cap Recharger II 2x Aoede mining upgrades Anti-em screen reinforcer rig ccc rig No. why isnt this any good?
Mona X Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.02 21:21:00 - [55] Edited by: Mona X on 02/08/2007 21:21:36 Originally by: Royaldo Originally by: Mona X Originally by: Haclya I wonder if this setup is any good 3x Modulated Strip Miner II Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster 2x npc hadners Cap Recharger II 2x Aoede mining upgrades Anti-em screen reinforcer rig ccc rig No. why isnt this any good? 1. Named MLU's are broken so it's waste of money until rev 2.2. 2. Shield rigs increases signature radius, so, what he'll gain from better EM resists (and I point you to "2x npc hadners" so this is supposed to be versatile fit) against Sansha and Blood raiders, he'll loose by being bigger target (missiles will hit him with better damage, guns will hit more often). 3. it's too expensive. :P
Graduran Anguirill Swedish Academy	Posted - 2007.08.08 17:44:00 - [56] how are they broken? Ive tried to find info on these new MLU, where do they drop? :) ~~o~~ Shike from DAoC ~~o~~
Doctor Zero	Posted - 2007.08.09 03:38:00 - [57] A just for fun setup (havent tried it ever...in EFT works great though): High: 3xMSM II Med: 1xMedium Shield Extender II 1xInvulnerability Field II 1xShield Recharger II 1xPhoton Scattering Field II Low: 2x RCU II Rigs: 1x Ancillary Current Router I 1x Cargohold Optimization I Very tight in PG and CPU but it fits Has 79.2/65/73.8/82.5 Em/Therm/Kin/Expl resists 3082 Shield / 398.4 Recharge (Shield Operation V, Shield Management IV) 1234 m3 yield per min (3702 m3 per cycle) No cap probs with energy management and energy systems op IV. Cargo 9200m3 (Almost 2.5 cycles fit easily) I guess it gives you enough time to tank to get the hell out of there :P Reminder: Fun setup :)
boo0meR	Posted - 2007.08.15 16:55:00 - [58] Originally by: Elspeth Vigneron Originally by: Jester Marc I was wondering if I could get some advice on how to fit my Hulk. I just finished training my skill of Exhumer 4 and am new to exhumers and relatively new to mining. I plan on mining in 0.0 space on whatever is the best return for my investment. Thank you. "...relatively new to mining" and you're at Exhumers IV? People in frigates and cruisers are "relatively new to mining..." Of course, looking at your bio... My advice is to join a real corporation and learn the ropes. As for 0.0 mining, if you think you're going to traipse on down to 0.0 and not get blown into bits, you're kidding yourself. And, no, I'm not being mean. Nobody who's been in the game as long as your employment history and characteristics should be so entirely clueless to this. So I'm guessing you've just got this character however you got it.
Shinhan Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.09.16 21:29:00 - [59] Now that MLU II is in, whats the best Hulk setup? And whats the best cost effective solution? Aoede or MLU II and Faction hardeners? -- Selling apples, 1 signature each. ѼѼѼѼѼѼѼ
Mona X Caldari C0VEN	Posted - 2007.09.16 22:34:00 - [60] Originally by: Shinhan Now that MLU II is in, whats the best Hulk setup? Right now I advertise semi-passive solution with Gisii SB and 3 Caldari Navy amplifiers. Amplifiers needs only 20 tf, so it is possible to fit them with 2 MLUs II with mining upgrades at level 5 (or 'Gypsy' KMB-50). Right now they're also not too expensive (40-50M for EM i thermal. Kin and explo aren't available right now.). With CPU implant you could switch Gistii with Pithi SB. Strong tank agains NPCs (requires shield compensations at 4 at least), low cap drain, max yeld. Originally by: Shinhan And whats the best cost effective solution? Tech 2 SB + tech 2 amplifiers + MLU I or cheapest named. Originally by: Shinhan Aoede or MLU II and Faction hardeners? Right now there is only 1 Aoede on the contract, starting bid is set on 500M, buyout 700. Who is gonna buy that?

Shekels Foxholes	Posted - 2007.09.29 14:53:00 - [61] For purely high-sec mining, is the Gistii Type-A SSB really necessary? That will cost more than the rest of the Hulk and fittings combined. If I had to spend the money, I feel like I'd rather blow it on Cargo Optimization Rigs or something (and I'd rather not spend it at all). If not the Gistii, will one of the other SSBs work (like the Type II 30/20) or should I go with something else? 3x MDSMII Eutectic Cap Recharger, SSB? 2x Expanded Cargohold II
Balcura	Posted - 2007.09.29 21:43:00 - [62] With that setup and ok skills you can run a tech 2 small with no issue (fitting or cap). The faction hardners and deadspace boosters are for high dam rats in 0.0 where you can replace the isk relitively easily.
Lab Hotty	Posted - 2007.10.08 14:51:00 - [63] Any new updates on the latest setups? I own a Hulk now and am trying to figure out the best setup. (Empire mining)
Captianhook	Posted - 2007.10.08 18:22:00 - [64] Is there a build that will mean not having to spend a crazy 200mil on a small shield booster? Since they nerfed the drop rates on the Gistii-A Shield booster, does anyone have a Cheaper and Nearly as Good option that will not break the wallet of a player who plays the game simply to have fun and also hates ratting for 350mil worth of stuff? I recently bought a hulk, and although not new to 0.0 mining, am new to Hulk Tanking in 0.0. I see the options that all require the Gistii-A, I am not adverse to jumping around belts a few times in 3 hours if I have to, but I would like an option that won't bankrupt a player who can only play for a faily limited number of hours a day (I have 10-hour college days). Does anyone have a 0.0 Hulk tanking option that will tank Most Spawns but not break the bank on a 200mil booster? My current and as yet untested hulk build: (Note rather limited skills, I have everything maxed out that I have skills for) 3x Strip Miner 1 2x Small Shield Booster II, 2x Rat Spec. Active Hardeners 2x Mining Laser Upgrade 1's 2x CCC rigs I do not intend to tank every spawn, but does anyone have any improvements that will not break the bank? :D Captianhook
HunAmarrias	Posted - 2007.10.09 09:15:00 - [65] Edited by: HunAmarrias on 09/10/2007 09:19:14 Edited by: HunAmarrias on 09/10/2007 09:16:06 has anyone try that cases when 2 hulks mine together and tanking each other with med shield repair drones ( + the inside tank setup, perhaps)? Is would be effective? I would mine in Sansha territory and i read these topic parts "ohh that sucks EM tank of the Hulk what can i do"... If the Hulk cannot tank Sansha spawns, i dont put some hundred mills on the faction tank stuffs but i mine under spawn keeping coverage BS and fit my Hulk for max yield... what do you think guys? (sry for my bad english)
Serotta Ortot Equilibrium Inc. FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2007.10.09 12:57:00 - [66] Originally by: Lab Hotty Any new updates on the latest setups? I own a Hulk now and am trying to figure out the best setup. (Empire mining) Empire I assume 1.0 to 0.5..? 0.5 will spawn some frigates, which don't hit that hard. High: 3 x MSM II's Mid: 1 x Ore scanner 1 x Cap charger 1 x Small shield booster II 1 x Rat specific amp (angels eg. explosive) Low - there are two options: 2 x Expanded Cargohold II OR 2 x MLU (should fit with good skills, or you could even leave off the ore scanner) Rigs: 2 x Cargohold Optimization I I personally believe you don't need the CCC rigs if you have decent skills. Stagger the MSM's and your cap will hold. Don't believe me? I'll fraps my alt's Hulk in 0.0 mining without the CCC rigs
Sellenia Boozebandit	Posted - 2007.10.22 22:39:00 - [67] When you say "stagger" the mining lasers, are you deactivating one and activating another per set amount of time? Or are you activating 1, waiting set time, activating second, more time, activating 3rd?
Tolas Caldari Aerthyrian Sovereignty	Posted - 2007.10.30 02:31:00 - [68] Originally by: Sellenia Boozebandit When you say "stagger" the mining lasers, are you deactivating one and activating another per set amount of time? Or are you activating 1, waiting set time, activating second, more time, activating 3rd? activating 1, waiting set time, activating second, more time, activating 3rd
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.30 04:49:00 - [69] Originally by: Golden Druid Med: 1x Gistii-A Small Shield Booster, 1x Eutetic Cap Recharger, 2x NPC Specific Hardener. I would agree with a small shield booster but I went T2, I would however take out the cap re-charger and slot in a shield resistance amp to back up the two hardners, In the Lows I have 1 mining laser upgrade module and a PDS lol? Have you ever flown this...? --
Amagmemon	Posted - 2007.10.31 03:46:00 - [70] Originally by: Serotta Ortot I personally believe you don't need the CCC rigs if you have decent skills. Kind of a n00b question here, but which skills do are you refering to when you say 'decent skills'? Thnks for your help.

Shurikane	Posted - 2007.10.31 04:04:00 - [71] Here is the I-don't-pay-attention-to-my-EVE-screen-and-don't-wanna-get-ganked setup: HI: The usual mining artillery. MED: 2x sensor boosters, 2x ECM burst (or was it ECM omni? Ah well, one can dream. At least it'll shove away the pesky close-rangers.) LOW: 2x warp core stabilizer. Good enough for the miner who's too scared to lose his ship and yet, in a deliciously ironic twist, doesn't pay enough attention to his screen because he's looking up too much **** and notices only too late that a tackler ganker has arrived in the belt. Oh by the way, this setup was field-tested with great success!
Caffeine Junkie Caldari The Ministry Of Funny Walks	Posted - 2007.11.04 23:39:00 - [72] Maximum Solo (i.e. no gang mate with Mining Foreman) Setup Highs 3x Strip Miner II w/T2 Crystal Mids 4x Whatever Lows 2x MLU II Rigs 2x Drone Mining Augmentor II 5x Harvester Mining Drone Michi's Excavation Augmentor Gives 6282m3 per cycle Owner of the Kyonoke Pit
ferro1984	Posted - 2007.11.27 09:14:00 - [73] with 1 mil in engineering i can Purma run the following setup 3 Modulated Strip Miners Small Shield Booster II, Eutectic cap recharger, 2 Passive Hardeners 2 Cargo Expander II This is more than enough for 0.5, not tried any lower, as for rats tho i cant see there being a problem apart from if they scram/jam you Thanks
Mona X Caldari Polish Task Forces C0VEN	Posted - 2007.11.27 12:07:00 - [74] Edited by: Mona X on 27/11/2007 12:08:55 Originally by: Amagmemon Kind of a n00b question here, but which skills do are you refering to when you say 'decent skills'? Energy Managment, Energy System Operation, Shield Compensation. Originally by: Caffeine Junkie Maximum Solo (i.e. no gang mate with Mining Foreman) Setup Michi's Excavation Augmentor Without Highwall HX-2 it's not a maximum solo.
Churizo	Posted - 2007.11.27 13:59:00 - [75] My setup; High: 3x strips Med: scanner, Pithi A-Type; 2x Domination kinetic amps Low: 2 Carpo MLU's No rigs as of yet. The Pithi is super expensive but well worth every penny. So far with this setup, I can tank up to 2bs and 3 cruiser rats indefinitely. Haven't tested against anything harder yet.
Darqion Zenix	Posted - 2007.12.09 11:22:00 - [76] So are the cargo rigs and the mining drone rigs the only rigs really usefull for a hulk ? I have someone hauling for me, so the cargo rigs wont do me much good... i was just hoping there would be rigs for mining itself, instead of mining drones which i sadly see popped when i dont pay attention :p
elbing1 An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.12.10 02:30:00 - [77] For 0.0 to maxamize the tanking amount you can drop the cap recharger and use a cap rig or two. Using the spare slot for a rat specific hardner. With two cap rigs and good cap skills i can run 3 t2 strips (staggered), gistii a-type ssb, and 3 hardners with 2 MLU in lows. I found that i lost so many mining drones that the extra ore i got wasnt worth the price of replacing them. For empire, seriously just do wtf you want. a single t1 small shield booster will tank all rats, and if u wanna PVP in a hulk against ore thieves you deserve to lose it. cargo expanders/rigs if u dont got 2 accounts otherwise MLU.
Max Essen	Posted - 2007.12.20 18:46:00 - [78] For HiSec Mining I do the following. Hi: 3 x SM II with T2 Crystals Me: 1 x ML-3 Amphilotit Mining Probe 1 x V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix 1 x Supplimental Scanning CPU with Script 1 x Small Shield Booster II Lo: 2 x Mining Laser Upgrade II Rig: 1 x Ancillary Current Router I 1 x Cargohold Optimization I Drone: 5 x Mining Drone I 2 x Hobgoblin II 1 x Warrior II 1 x Hornet II 1 x Acolyte ==================== High mining yeild, very low threat ... :) Obviously, not what I use for LowSec mining.
Cedori Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.21 02:22:00 - [79] Edited by: Cedori on 21/12/2007 02:25:22 My Ninja-Mining Fit. This is for 0.0 mining when I'm basically farting around solo. Mine with 1 jump of a system, w/o a hauler. It's slow, but it's better then nothing. Highs - 3X MSM 2's Mids - Small Shield Booster II, 2 Rat Specific T2 Hardeners, Cap Recharger II Lows - Mining Upgrade II, Expanded Cargohold II Rigs - 2X Cargohold Optimization I's. If I'm mining, actually mining, I'll use a different setup, but this gets me 1) The tanking capability of the "standard" Hulk setup 2) a 13400 m3 cargohold 3) nearly the same mining yields as 2X MLU I's. . . And does it for less then 1/100th the cost of the Gistii This post represents the views of me, myself, and I. Nothing said should be attributed to my corp or alliance, otherwise I might be whipped with a strand of wet-spaghetti!
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2007.12.24 18:10:00 - [80] My perfered setup: Highs: 3x T2 strip miners equiped with t2 crystals Med: 1x small sheild booster 1x invunerability feild 1x cap recharger II 1x survey scanner I Low: 2x MLU II Rigs: 2x Capacitor control Circuit I (optional though recharge cap rate like mad, strip miner staggering greatly deminished) drones: 5 Mining Drone II's 5 HobGob II's Implants: slot 7 HX-2 Highwall 5% bonus to mining slot 10 Michi Excavation (if you have money to burn) 5% bonus to mining but $$$ slot 6 Gypsy KMB-50 3% boost to CPU of any ship. The Gypsy implant is a practical requirement as this setup without the implant uses 2-3 more CPU points then the hulk can provide even with electronics at 5. You could have Mining upgrades leveled to 5 however even with all learning skills at 4 that is 22+ days for only a 5% decrease in CPU consumption from the MLU II's.

Rens Proposition	Posted - 2007.12.24 23:55:00 - [81] Might have missed this in page 2, and if so, I apologize. What would you all think is the minimum needed to perma tank low sec rats? I'm thinking 3 BC's at the most, usually 1 or 2 BC's with some frig support if I recall correctly. I was thinking: 1x small shield booster 2 2x specific hardeners (explosive/kinetic for angels, etc) 1x named cap recharger 2x MLU's in the lows, or a combination with cargo expanders depending on if I feel like being more active. Using 5 drones as protection, should I be able to fight back against the spawn while perma tanking all the damage? I'm guessing yes, but I'd love some experienced input on this... Sorry for the slight hijack, but I figured it would be better to post here than a new thread :)
Ashen Angel Minmatar Bad Dog Digging Empire Research	Posted - 2008.01.06 19:52:00 - [82] I am looking at this as my empire miner (max bonus with groups) 2x Aoede Mining Upgrade I (or other named mining upgrades; can't quite fit mining upgrade IIs without implants or dropping the small shield extender) Prospector Magnetic Scattering Amplifier High Noon Heat Dissipation Amplifier Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Small Shield Booster II 3x Modulated Strip Miner II Ancillary Current Router I Capacitor Control Circuit I the amps can be switched out as needed depending on where I am mining to be rat specific, but have to be named (and likely best named) For my usual mining in empire I use my second hulk (this is going to be the new configuration versus my pure passive one which uses 2 named small shield extenders instead of the cap recharger and booster): 2x Expanded Cargohold II High Noon Heat Dissipation Amplifier Prospector Magnetic Scattering Amplifier Cap Recharger I Small Shield Booster II 3x Modulated Strip Miner II 2x Cargohold Optimization I
SirNose Devoidoffunk	Posted - 2008.01.08 22:46:00 - [83] hello where do i find the Gistii-A Small Shield Booster, 1x Eutetic Cap Recharger not in my region of space.if anyone can tell me where to look tks
Andreask14 Alterum - Infinitus - Fabula Dragons Of Oceans	Posted - 2008.01.08 23:49:00 - [84] Deadspace equipment is sold via the Contract system. You can do a inter-region search with that.
Halada Caldari Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.09 03:33:00 - [85] The one and only original setup works the best Click on my sig to read it !
atrophocy Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.09 04:14:00 - [86] Originally by: Bel Garan Fairly easy, since there's actually only one proper setup: Hi: 3x Strip Miner II Med: 1x Gistii-A Small Shield Booster, 1x Eutetic Cap Recharger, 2x NPC Specific Hardener Low: 2x MLU perfect. tried and tested. been in use for as long as hulks have existed. the only thing i'd add would be to consider some ccc rigs. you don't actually need them but it means you don't have to be as careful staggering your lasers and can boot them up when a rock runs out of w/e. also, can't stress enough the need for the gistii A-type. it wont work with t2 or named. it's expensive, but it's worth it. [for the record, TRI don't mine ]
Jin Jura	Posted - 2008.02.08 09:06:00 - [87] Would a hulk be fine with a pith b type instead of a gisti a type? EFT says it tanks better, and cap is fine.
derpsauce	Posted - 2008.02.08 16:29:00 - [88] Edited by: derpsauce on 08/02/2008 16:30:12 oops...nevermind.
Ayn Galt	Posted - 2008.02.15 07:57:00 - [89] What is the Best High Sec Hulk Setup long term for a solo miner who has roughly 20 million SP?
Chris31miller	Posted - 2008.02.20 01:49:00 - [90] I have no experience mining in 0.0 or lowsec with my hulk yet but .5 systems and higher. I use Pithi/Gisti (at work and not in game, can't remember) b-type small booster. They are just as good without the 200 mil price. picked mine up for 15 mil if I remember. I also picked up a c-type (once again cant remember if it was a pithi or Gisti) for 6 mil. They are out there just keep an eye on the contract. But on average run 15-25 mil for b and c types.

GNGMark	Posted - 2008.02.22 15:09:00 - [91] Edited by: GNGMark on 22/02/2008 15:09:39 Edited by: GNGMark on 22/02/2008 15:09:15 Well am surprised no one has asked... what about the set up for pvp JNB came up with? It's on you tube, kinda grainy so i cant make out the low slots. Can anyone suggest a similar set up that would be just as effective vs. can thieves ? I understand the nosferatu got nerfed...
Daqinson The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.22 15:12:00 - [92] That setup can tank a 3 BS spawn? lol you are dreaming
Imax Vespertilio Caldari Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu	Posted - 2008.03.05 21:23:00 - [93] Ok, I understand the setups fairly well, but MY question is, what sort of drones should I use to protect myself? At the moment I'm using Hobgoblin II's which is more then fine for Hi-security rats,but I know that wont work in other places or against pvp attackers
The TX Earth Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.18 09:28:00 - [94] Nice thread this - came in very helpful for me looking for a hulk tanking-setup. Lots of the setup suggestions are the same, suggesting there is a 'best' setup for 0.0 mining. Does anyone know/think that the setup needs to be tweaked or fine-tuned if you're in a gang whereby the gang leader is using the shield boosting mods? My plan is to use the three shield boosting mods that are available for gangs, the one that decreases shield rep cycle time, the one that reduces shield rep cap usage, and the one that improves resistances. also wanna use some shield repping drones to help top-up the shields on the hulks that are being targeted by 0.0 rats. Your thoughts, please. Ta, TX. ------ THE TX
The TX Earth Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.18 09:29:00 - [95] Originally by: Imax Vespertilio Ok, I understand the setups fairly well, but MY question is, what sort of drones should I use to protect myself? At the moment I'm using Hobgoblin II's which is more then fine for Hi-security rats,but I know that wont work in other places or against pvp attackers I think the general idea is not to have to tackle other players in your hulk - you cannot defend against that. I personally think that Hulks should get another mid slot..... ------ THE TX
HRRNighthawk Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.03.19 09:58:00 - [96] Originally by: Chris31miller I have no experience mining in 0.0 or lowsec with my hulk yet but .5 systems and higher. I use Pithi/Gisti (at work and not in game, can't remember) b-type small booster. They are just as good without the 200 mil price. picked mine up for 15 mil if I remember. I also picked up a c-type (once again cant remember if it was a pithi or Gisti) for 6 mil. They are out there just keep an eye on the contract. But on average run 15-25 mil for b and c types. Tank better? Sure, but check your cap recharge. Gistii-A usually can permatank. Pithi is a much higher activation (well, much higher for a Hulk).
jnb School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.19 16:27:00 - [97] Edited by: jnb on 19/03/2008 16:35:14 Originally by: GNGMark Edited by: GNGMark on 22/02/2008 15:09:39 Edited by: GNGMark on 22/02/2008 15:09:15 Well am surprised no one has asked... what about the set up for pvp JNB came up with? It's on you tube, kinda grainy so i cant make out the low slots. Can anyone suggest a similar set up that would be just as effective vs. can thieves ? I understand the nosferatu got nerfed... Heyya GNG - In the vid I used: Highs: 1x Strip Miner (to look real and pass the time), 2x Small T2 NOSes Mid: 1x T2 Small shield booster (or sometimes Gist A-type), 1x best named web, 1x best named scram, and then something utility - sometime ECM, sometimes invuln field or whatever Lows: 2x WCS (big wuss, I know) No rigs. However - I have a much better (win or die - none of this warp core stabs malarkey any more) setup nowadays - esp post the NOS nerf, as follows: Highs: 1x Strip, 2x T2 Small Neuts Mids: 1x T2 Small Shield Booster, 1x best named web, 1x best named scram, 1x Jammer Lows: 1x DCU II, 1x Shield Relay No rigs (though I'd fit shield recharge rigs if I could be bothered). That second Hulk fit works a treat. If you're solely looking for PvP, and the ore thieves aren't paying any attention at all, you might be able to squeeze a third T2 Neut instead of the strip for maximum lulz. Fly safe o/ EDIT: I realise this build doesn't answer the OPs question, as it has little-to-nothing to do with mining. It's just a response to GNGs q about combat Hulks. ---------------------------------------------- Hulk Combat - When Carebears Attack!
jnb School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.20 15:57:00 - [98] And doh - forgot to mention drones. Again, this varied a bit from fight to fight, but was most often 5x Hammerhead IIs. Sometimes I'd mix this up a bit (3x Hammerhead IIs and 4x Warrior IIs) as spares do come in handy. As the drones are your only method of directly dealing any damage I really can't stress the importance of having decent drone skills enough. You'll want Drones V, Scout Drones V, Combat Drones V, Drone Sharpshooting IV, Drone Durability IV, Drone Navigation IV & Drone Interfacing IV as a bare minimum before really trying this setup against anything larger than frigs. It's a bit Catch-22. The dronebay and bandwidth limits on the Hulk and the inability to fit any other damage-dealing weapon types pretty much mean that you can only fight very small ships, and very small ships tend to be the best and popping drones (in a non-smartbomb Empire context anyway). ---------------------------------------------- Hulk Combat - When Carebears Attack!
Temijin	Posted - 2008.05.06 04:54:00 - [99] Some great builds here. Here is the one I am using 3X Modulated Strip Miner II Survey Scanner II Small Sheild Booster II Invulerability Shield I Cap Recharger II 2x Expanded Cargo Hold II 2X Cargo Optimization I 5 x Hammerhead II
Syr Dunstin	Posted - 2008.05.18 00:54:00 - [100] Ah...I have a Question for Y'all w/ the understanding that I learned My 0.0 mining from a guy who takes home 1.5 bil a week, mining Merc, Ark, Bist, and Crok. This may not impress y'all, but impressed the hell out of me. The Question: If you can permatank the spawn, why kill it off? Let it shoot you till the cows come home. No more spawns arrive, and your mining Drones are safe. I've done this for Hours. Comments? Oh, and to the guy with the BC in the Gang and the shield links...?!? Have him perma tank the Spawn, yank out those shield links and throw in Mining Director links, and Really go to town! This was SOP for our mining Ops. Comments on that one? I won't even go into the guy in the Rorq, defending 5 miners from a PVP fleet of Vagas and Ishtars who said in local "You need to up your dps...I can do this all day..."

Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.05.18 06:16:00 - [101] Empire mining setup on the cheap. Highs: 3x Strip II Meds: 1x Invul II 1x Ore scanner 2x Small extender Lows: 2x MLU II Rigs: None or cargo rigs if your rich and lazy. 0.0/low sec setup on the cheap. Highs: 3x Strip I Meds: 2x Invul II 1x Small Extender II 1x Med Extender II Lows: 1x PDS II 1x MAPC I Rigs: 2x Core Defense Field Extender I The 0.0 fit should easily tank any spawn you care to throw at it. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
De'Nab	Posted - 2008.06.02 11:30:00 - [102] shield hardeners when mining in 0.0 - passive or active hardeners for Angel Rats?
Disiegor InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.06.13 05:33:00 - [103] has anybody experience with tanking 0.0 drone npc's in a hulk ? i"m about to try it with the standard fitting but was wondering if someone got any good tips for me ! in worst case scenario i'll just have 2 accounts mining with shield maintenance drones healing each other. that should do the job, but i'd rather be able to tank with only 1 hulk. thx in advance for any suggestions.
Tangolex	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:11:00 - [104] I'm a lone 0.0 miner and have been for along time now, i'll sit in a side belt away from the main belt and work the roids around me as need, sometimes i have a bonus but often not, this is my setup for a kinetic/heat tank which runs permanently and without care for what spawn attacks, 6 * cruiser spawns dont even bother this, i know its not the gisti setup and yes you do have to cycle the strippers 1minute apart, but it works and runs safely :-) Alot of these modules i managed to pick up either cheap or through plexer's looking to sell quick. Allas EA has caused a drastic increase in the dread CPU need hence the low slot cpu module now, prior that was a cargo expander. Many may wonder why a split tank? With with up to 40% heat damage from hybrid ammo the effective shield without it quickly drops under 8k, as my setup its easily 11k and if pure kinetic only damage tops out around 15k effective shield. Not to shabby really. Many people have asked me for my setup and followed happily, so thought i would finally share it with you all, have a laugh, i am sure others will not agree with my selection, all i can say is thank EFT for this. Top Strip Miner II * 3 Mid Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Dread Guristas Heat Dissipation Amplifier Gist C-Type Ballistic Deflection Field Low CPU Module of some kind due to change in DG CPU need Mining Laser Upgrade II Rigs Capacitor Control Circuit I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Drone: 5 * vespa T2's, kills up to 1mil rats, above one has to tank or get in a ratter if the booms get to annoying, lol.
Nul Settys	Posted - 2008.06.13 20:50:00 - [105] Quote: Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Dread Guristas Heat Dissipation Amplifier Gist C-Type Ballistic Deflection Field Wowie...to need such a huge tank, you must be living in some very nice real estate. I've never encountered a spawn that would require a Pithi-B AND a shield boost amp.
supr3m3justic3 ACE'S OVER 8'S The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.06.13 21:26:00 - [106] HULK SMASH!
Red lensman BlackSky inc.	Posted - 2008.06.13 23:28:00 - [107] Edited by: Red lensman on 13/06/2008 23:35:15 Edited by: Red lensman on 13/06/2008 23:33:16 For high sec 1.0-0.5 you don't need to tank a hulk as normal passive recharge will tank most rats so fit 3x stripminers 1x roid scanner 2, (3x any thing you want) 2x MLU 2's 1+ cargo optimiser's rigs 5 mining drones 2's 5 hobgoblin 2 or sheild rep drones and just let the rats agro you and then release the mining drones and mine. you need the tech 2 roid scanner when you have a rorqual or fleet command ship with 3 mining gang mods as the range one will give you 22.5km range with strip miners. With gang mods and maxed skill you get around 2k m3 per of ore min with the drones
Himeko Gallente Democracy of Klingon Brothers Sev3rance	Posted - 2008.07.25 06:14:00 - [108] well i use this against sansha in 0.0, so far ive been able to tank 3 900k BS spawn with 2 frigs and no problem at all: High: 3x MSM II Meds: 1x Pithi b-type shield booster 1x Pith b-type photon scattering field 1x Pith b-type heat dissipation field 1x Viscoelastic EM ward salubrity Low: 1x MLU II 1x PDU II Rigs: Anti-EM screen Anti-therm screen Skills used: All shield related to 4 but shield ops that is at 5 Exhumers 5 Cap related at 5 can permarun everything just by staggering a little the strips.
Hulk x Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2008.09.28 09:56:00 - [109] Edited by: Hulk x on 28/09/2008 10:05:23 I would like to know what setup is recommended for 0.0 Angle rats? I would like to use 2xMLU T2 and MSMII. I have someone to haul for me so no need for expander. I do not want to kill the rats just want to tank them. What should i put in mids and rig slots? My Skills are: Exhumers lv5 Energy Managemnet/systems operation lv5 Shield Compensation/Management/Operation lv5 Shield Upgrades lv4 Mining upgrades lv4 Electronics/Engineering lv5 and resist compensation to lv3 Implants: Zainou 'Gypsy' KMB-50 (Would KMB-75 be better?) 'Highwall' HX-2
Khadur Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2008.09.28 16:38:00 - [110] It's a trap

Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.09.29 15:53:00 - [111] Originally by: Carnor Jax Edited by: Carnor Jax on 25/05/2007 18:10:03 Originally by: Ulesi The "be-all end-all" Hulk setup is 3x Modulated Strip Miner IIs 1x Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster 2x Rat Specific Hardners 1x Eucetic Cap Recharger 2x Expanded Cargohold IIs 2x Cargo Optimzation Rigs 5x Hammerhead IIs End-o-Story You must not mine in true low sec space or with Sansha's! I have this exact setup and last night came within 2 seconds of losing my new hulk to a triple 950,000 isk Sansha BS spawn with a few frigs as well. They tore through my defenses like I didn't even have a shield booster on. I'm going to ditch the cargo rigs, ditch the cargo expanders, ditch the T2 cap recharger, and fit 2 cap recharge rigs, add a second gistii-a shield booster, and fit a mix of PDU T2's and mining upgrades if I can use a mining upgrade with this setup and run the tank, i'm not sure, and possibly shell out 100 mil a piece for some faction hardeners. of course sansha's are the hulks weak spot, so that doesn't help. But I can literally be torn to the ground in a matter of seconds, imagine if a triple 1.7mil BS spawn would've jumped on top of me? I'd be short a hulk right now I can tell you that much. And I'm caldari and have pretty decent shield skills... I'm sorry you nearly lost your Hulk. It is not a nice experience. Can I suggest you use the setup below. It can tank anything you can throw at it & it was unfazed even by a pith swarm throwing out buckets of damage. I can vouch for its effectiveness having used the fit for nearly 3 months without any rat busting it. Low 2 True Sansha Power Diagnostics Mids Gistii A-type small shield Booster & Amplifier, Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field, Dread Guristas explosion dampening field (or other rat type) Highs Strip miners of Choice Rigs 2 capacitor control circuits This fit will run indefinetly and the only time you ever need to pulse the strip miners is when you use deepcore mining versions. Good luck with your mining & watch out for Neuts as this fit is a "paradise" find if you get caught.
Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.09.29 16:02:00 - [112] Originally by: Daqinson That setup can tank a 3 BS spawn? lol you are dreaming This one can tank 5- I know i've done it in 0.0 Low-2 True Sansha Power Diagnostic Mids Gistii a-type small shield booster & Amp, Dread Guristas invulnerability field & explosion dampening field THe secret is all in the Gistii
Baron Agamemnon Caldari Holy Grail Constructiion	Posted - 2008.09.29 16:06:00 - [113] For empire mining I use this: [Hulk, Red Dwarf] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Cargohold Optimization I Cargohold Optimization I Mining Drone II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Its more then enough there. :P For low sec I would ditch the survey scanner II and get bigger drones :P
Rhett Buttler	Posted - 2008.10.01 20:13:00 - [114] Edited by: Rhett Buttler on 01/10/2008 20:15:18 Edited by: Rhett Buttler on 01/10/2008 20:14:29 Edited by: Rhett Buttler on 01/10/2008 20:13:55 I use the basic setup that was discribed and use t1 strippers because I cant use the t2 strippers yet but here is my fit 3x-Strip Miner I 2x-Cargo Expander II 1x- Gistii B-Type small shield booster 1x- vm15 braced multispectral shield matrix 1x- (passave em shield res amp t1) 1x- cap recharger II 1x- CCC 1x- t1 em res rig 1x- sensor upgrade w/ range modifier 5x- Valkirie II's sensor upgrade for range so that you can make a bit of money from the rats while you mine in 0.0 and it is able to tank 3x Drone queen bs's long enough to kill them and recharge the shields. the Hulk has good base resists you just need to buff up the EM in the drone regions and the others for the other regions that can be Faction Specific. but with my crappy skills I get it up to pretty good tanking about 500DPS permantly w/ cycling the lasers so that you get time to recharge the cap. EDIT- formatting error
Mikeal Landry	Posted - 2008.10.16 04:51:00 - [115] Edited by: Mikeal Landry on 16/10/2008 04:53:29 Greetings all, I would like to ask a few drone questions. I have noticed no Vespa II drones are used. Why? I am training Caldari Adv Drone and would like to know if I am wasting my time. In addition, why do ppl not use the EW Vespa drones? I am thinking that 1 or 2 would allow a pilot to break the targeting process (specifically warp jammers)... What is wrong with my drone plan?
De'Nab	Posted - 2008.10.22 11:39:00 - [116] I couldn't find Gistii mods for ages when I first started mining in 0.0 so had x2 CCC in rig slots & just used x1 t2 small shield booster and x3 t2 expl damp fields in the mids & swapping my mining drones for t2 valks. Boosted my exp dam resist to 93% & was able to tank all Angel spawns incl Seraphim & Cherubim & just used the valks to kill the frigs. Criminal, I know but it worked . Now I just use the "classic" set-up.
Phoebe Mettalmag Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.03 06:28:00 - [117] Originally by: Jal Rikta Originally by: Ishina Fel If you want to invest a few million more, try two capacitor control circuit rigs, and a shield rig that reduces booster cycle time. That should be able to handle all 0.0 spawns then. What do you do with said spawns, drones to plink at them till they die or tanking good enough to just let them atack till you are done? the same question :) Peyote
Phoebe Mettalmag Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.03 06:41:00 - [118] Originally by: Rhett Buttler Edited by: Rhett Buttler on 01/10/2008 20:15:18 Edited by: Rhett Buttler on 01/10/2008 20:14:29 Edited by: Rhett Buttler on 01/10/2008 20:13:55 I use the basic setup that was discribed and use t1 strippers because I cant use the t2 strippers yet but here is my fit 3x-Strip Miner I 2x-Cargo Expander II 1x- Gistii B-Type small shield booster 1x- vm15 braced multispectral shield matrix 1x- (passave em shield res amp t1) 1x- cap recharger II 1x- CCC 1x- t1 em res rig 1x- sensor upgrade w/ range modifier 5x- Valkirie II's EDIT- formatting error can someone write this fit in other way? i want to find em on market thx a lot Peyote
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2008.11.03 10:33:00 - [119] Originally by: Baron Agamemnon For empire mining I use this: [Hulk, Red Dwarf] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Cargohold Optimization I Cargohold Optimization I Mining Drone II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 For high sec I support this, more then enough tank to take care of any rat ever in high sec. This tank can take on can flippers as well you are feeling bold ;)
Tyranis Marcus	Posted - 2008.11.21 10:01:00 - [120] Ok here's my weird Hulk setup. My goal was to be able to tank 0.0 bs spawns without sacrificing any mining yield. (I couldn't bring myself to put T1 MLU's on my Hulk.) Lows: 2x Mining Laser Upgrade II Mids: Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster Copasetic I Particle Field Acceleration Azeotropic EM Ward Salubrity Supplemental Thermal Barrier Emitter Highs: 3x Modulated Strip Miner II Rigs: 2x Core Defense Operational Solidifier I Tanks 176 DPS omni while maintaining a full rack of t2 mlu's in the lows. Shield resists are: 57/65.6/62.5/75 and the booster gives 74.1 shield boost every 1.445 seconds. Tank and strip miners perma-run, as long as you stagger them a bit. The hardeners were chosen for the drone regions. I've tanked a single bs spawn there with it easily. It couldn't even dent the tank, but I never got to try a triple before leaving that area.

Sheol	Posted - 2008.11.21 23:17:00 - [121] Quote: High: 3x MSM II Meds: 1x Pithi b-type shield booster 1x Pith b-type photon scattering field 1x Pith b-type heat dissipation field 1x Viscoelastic EM ward salubrity Low: 1x MLU II 1x PDU II Rigs: Anti-EM screen Anti-therm screen Can someone please advise a full setup to aim for that I can use 0.0 space for tanking. Can you fully name the parts needed as I dont have a clue what all the abbreviations are such as above. Thanks guys!
Thenoran Caldari Hegemony Enterprises E L I T E Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.22 00:03:00 - [122] Originally by: Sheol Quote: High: 3x MSM II Meds: 1x Pithi b-type shield booster 1x Pith b-type photon scattering field 1x Pith b-type heat dissipation field 1x Viscoelastic EM ward salubrity Low: 1x MLU II 1x PDU II Rigs: Anti-EM screen Anti-therm screen Can someone please advise a full setup to aim for that I can use 0.0 space for tanking. Can you fully name the parts needed as I dont have a clue what all the abbreviations are such as above. Thanks guys! Pithi and Pith are deadspace/complex modules, you can fit them on the market. I have a Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster myself en it does well on the Hulk. With an EM and Therm shield rig, Invul II and a passive EM resist you get quite a nice omni-tank. You can swap out the Invul for the rat specific type.


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