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Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.14 04:29:00 - [31] Of course BoB can be defeated, but it's all relative and it's entirely possible nobody will be willing to put in the effort to get them to consider themselves defeated. http://eve.klaki.net/
Sokhar Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.14 04:31:00 - [32] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Of course BoB can be defeated, but it's all relative and it's entirely possible nobody will be willing to put in the effort to get them to consider themselves defeated. How can you kill that which has no life?
Tarace CEO Caldari ME15	Posted - 2007.03.14 07:20:00 - [33] Originally by: Sorja If BoB loses it's core systems, they'll be defeated, simple as that. There's no such thing as 'retreat to Empire' for them. They'll fight to the death for Delve and if they fail their name will be history. Remember this reply begins with 'if'. They are far from defeated. The coalition first goals are nearly achieved, taking directly on BoB will come in time and those will be interesting times indeed. Isnt their core system a NPC system ? Coalition is pretty active on forums and we could easly believe that they have the upper hand and will destroy bob... However, when I see the bob killboard, I see desillusion. I dislike superpowers but I must say, I don't believe bob will break on that one.
Tarace CEO Caldari ME15	Posted - 2007.03.14 07:21:00 - [34] Originally by: Sokhar Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Of course BoB can be defeated, but it's all relative and it's entirely possible nobody will be willing to put in the effort to get them to consider themselves defeated. How can you kill that which has no life? qft!
Omber Zombie Gallente Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2007.03.14 07:23:00 - [35] Originally by: Sokhar Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Of course BoB can be defeated, but it's all relative and it's entirely possible nobody will be willing to put in the effort to get them to consider themselves defeated. How can you kill that which has no life? I read these forums and die a little everyday... ---------------------- FTEK \| Production ~ Research ~ Sales ~ Election Fixing
Garia666 Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.14 08:06:00 - [36] I hope not.. Altough i do not know many BoB its the one of the few allliance`s that i have respect for. ->My Vids<- CCP= More skilz more moneh!
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.14 08:33:00 - [37] Ganking BoB's entire POS network in 0.0 will in fact increse their T2 profits through the roof.
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.14 09:21:00 - [38] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse im sick of this useless +=("!$(!?$ threads leave it be alrdy and time will tell the outcome QFT Stop makign this crappy threads. You could try something new for a change and fit a gun on a ship and actually do this pee vee pee.
Orange Speceis Destructive Infleunce	Posted - 2007.03.16 03:30:00 - [39] We are gonna have npc dreads attack d2 pos's again... by again I mean bob + npc dreads will attack d2 player owned stations for the 2nd time
probablecause Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.16 03:48:00 - [40] Originally by: Orange Speceis We are gonna have npc dreads attack d2 pos's again... by again I mean bob + npc dreads will attack d2 player owned stations for the 2nd time Dear Mods, Please ban this Troll. Sincerly, Probablecause
Le Cardinal ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.16 11:06:00 - [41] This would be a very interesting discussion if we could have avoided all the accusations of cheating/exploiting and alts derailing every thread. Question to op will then be. How do u define defeat. If you define defeat as loss of all territory, then yes its entirely possible. Either by limiting resources (which bob definately have enough of) or BoB just say sod it and leave their regions. The total defeat of an alliance requires to take their territory and break the alliance up. First option is quite possible. Seond option is much harder. Even if the large alliances get defeated, it will be only temporary if their capfleet and resources are intact. Most likely an alliance dies when all its resouces are removed, capfleet crushed and morale totally broken. But destroying BoB is possible, but very hard and time/resource consuming. Would be cool if ppl didnt flame these threads. They could be interesting then. Unfortunately some ppl will always derail these threads into a flamefest.
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.16 11:19:00 - [42] I have a clear cut master plan on how to defeat BoB and reduce their alliance to rubble but I need 8 bill from you before I will initiate discussions on revealing The Wei! I will also expect you to pay me 100 bill after they r dead. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.03.16 11:27:00 - [43] Please refrain from accusations about cheating - it's not only off topic, but it's also trolling and will be dealt with as such. If you suspect or believe someone has cheated, petition it to the GMs and let Internal Affairs deal with it. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website

Dr Shameless Skull Soft	Posted - 2007.03.16 11:34:00 - [44] dont know if you can defeat them but you can make them homeless for sure :)
Marla Durden Princeps Corp YouWhat	Posted - 2007.03.16 11:35:00 - [45] Originally by: Graalum 'On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero' Great words! Perhaps BoB has the answer to the question: The death of an entity by DigitalCommunist
Blitz'Krieg Caldari SkyMarshal Logistics	Posted - 2007.03.16 11:38:00 - [46] tbh I would define the defeat of BoB to be the breakup of the alliance as a name, and the infighting of its corps either verbally or via pew pew. Total destruction of an alliance is something that can be akin to ISS or ASCN I think, as apose to stain empire who lived on after a fashion and still hang around in some shape and form. What i was trying to get at I suppose is that with fleets soon to be mostly based on capitals rather than bs's and with the solid financial backbone linked with easy empire availability of capital ships that BoB has, how can they militarily be beaten? Replacement of losses is something that is a given rather than a grind. IMO ASCN broke up because it was full of people trying to make themselves a buck in nice "safe" space and when it became time to fight a lot slined of to empire with their assets intact. I cant see this happening with BoB as the wealth is based with the leaders, and the leaders will always want to be leaders. If anything I can imagine BoB's resolve strengthening when their space is lost because i think everyone agrees that pos wars are ftl.
Angry Dan Caldari Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.16 12:24:00 - [47] Edited by: Angry Dan on 16/03/2007 12:22:12 Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Please refrain from accusations about cheating - it's not only off topic, but it's also trolling and will be dealt with as such. If you suspect or believe someone has cheated, petition it to the GMs and let Internal Affairs deal with it. The problem here is that no one here believes CCP can effectivley police themselves, internal affairs department or not. An example would the the whole band of devs thing. The executor corp of BOB uses the corp ticker [DEVS]. And did so well before the corruption scandal broke. No one believes that that will ever change. Yet, anyone who mentions it on the forums gets their post removed for trolling. Justice must be seen to be fair and equitable. And above all must be actually seen. I fully expect I'll get a nice email and an edited post after this, but you know what? I don't care anymore. Sorry to the orignial (alt) poster. Your right, BoB (or BoD or BloB or whatever unhumorous acronym you care to choose) are hard to defeat. But it canbe done. Take the fall of ASCN for example. They broke up because there morale shattered. Oh, and don't think we aren't wise to BoBs current plan to shatter our morale. This very post is an example of the psycholgical warfare BoB is famed for. By planting the seeds of doubt into your enemies minds, you weaken their resolve. Your military might is built on your resolve to continue. And like a house built on quicksand, it will collapse if the foundations break. After all, the pen (or forum whoring alt) is mightier than the sword. D2 is built on Tetonic resolve. And the only thing stronger than that is British resolve. Founder member of the Huzzah Federation. Remember, the grass is greener on our side of the fence Originally by: Butter Dog Good Sportsmanship > Winning.
Angry Dan Caldari Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.16 12:25:00 - [48] Edited by: Angry Dan on 16/03/2007 12:21:56 double posting, yet more proof I'm an e-tard Founder member of the Huzzah Federation. Remember, the grass is greener on our side of the fence Originally by: Butter Dog Good Sportsmanship > Winning.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 14:22:00 - [49] Sorry guys, I had to....... CHEESE FEST! --------
Isonkon Serikain Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.16 18:30:00 - [50] There is only one way to destroy BoB... Stop offering them targets. Pity the fool
Angry Dan Caldari Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.16 19:29:00 - [51] Originally by: Isonkon Serikain There is only one way to destroy BoB... Stop offering them targets. But where is the fun in that? Founder member of the Huzzah Federation. Remember, the grass is greener on our side of the fence Originally by: Butter Dog Good Sportsmanship > Winning.
FlailofFury Slanik Corp	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:15:00 - [52] Edited by: FlailofFury on 16/03/2007 21:11:52 Originally by: Patch86 Sorry guys, I had to....... CHEESE FEST! Strangely accurate in all descriptions :O
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:41:00 - [53] Originally by: Blitz'Krieg As most people know, Eve pvp used to be 80% skills 20% finance, but has increasingly become 70% finance and 30% skills as capital ship pilots become more commen and the fittings and fighting style become more homogonised. You make that statement as if it where some kind of fact. Curious. Did you pluck those percentages out of thin air or are these 'facts' based on some kind of objective analysis we're not aware of? ----------
Gabba Species 5618	Posted - 2007.03.16 23:40:00 - [54] Lets say BoB loses their space, they move someplace else and 18 10/10 complexes will be magically introduced into the new region they occupy. Oh wait that already happened maybe 10 complexes would be better
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.16 23:56:00 - [55] Originally by: Angry Dan Edited by: Angry Dan on 16/03/2007 12:22:12 Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Please refrain from accusations about cheating - it's not only off topic, but it's also trolling and will be dealt with as such. If you suspect or believe someone has cheated, petition it to the GMs and let Internal Affairs deal with it. The problem here is that no one here believes CCP can effectivley police themselves, internal affairs department or not. So why are you still playing? Why do any of you still play? You accuse us, me, "BoD" of "cheating", yet you do not trust the "referees" (who have far more invested in this enterprise than both of us put together) to validate who is playing fair and who is not. I wouldn't play a game that I thought was stacked against me, it's why I don't gamble, so why on earth are you wasting your time playing? Is it the same reason you're wasting my bandwidth in reading it... just "because"? There's a reason we're all still playing, what's YOUR reason for still playing? Originally by: Kay Han @ BoD hahahahahahahaha we onwed yaaaaaaaa I may be a Bo[D], but I still killed your titan.
Milena Marich	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:01:00 - [56] Originally by: Dianabolic There's a reason we're all still playing, what's YOUR reason for still playing? To read posts from criminals like you.... maybe?
Frygok Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:09:00 - [57] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Angry Dan Edited by: Angry Dan on 16/03/2007 12:22:12 Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Please refrain from accusations about cheating - it's not only off topic, but it's also trolling and will be dealt with as such. If you suspect or believe someone has cheated, petition it to the GMs and let Internal Affairs deal with it. The problem here is that no one here believes CCP can effectivley police themselves, internal affairs department or not. So why are you still playing? Why do any of you still play? You accuse us, me, "BoD" of "cheating", yet you do not trust the "referees" (who have far more invested in this enterprise than both of us put together) to validate who is playing fair and who is not. I wouldn't play a game that I thought was stacked against me, it's why I don't gamble, so why on earth are you wasting your time playing? Is it the same reason you're wasting my bandwidth in reading it... just "because"? There's a reason we're all still playing, what's YOUR reason for still playing? Question is Diana, why should we believe them? And frankly, why should you? Need I mention the FIX guy who was banned for a while, because he shot down a GM? It took an uproar, and several very vocal posts from yourself to get some info and stuff done. Yes, CCP claim they would have reached the same conclusion, only slower, without our help. But how do we know? And, if we continue the line of thought that you guys were indeed without any blame or knowledge regarding the Dev in charge of your cap fleet and loading tech 2 BPOs for you, then frankly, I would be royally ****ed if I were you. Huge reputation damage, clueless posts from the devs, where your roles were not being specified as innocent. Not to mention it took an alt to expose this cheater. All in all, I don't feel that CCP has been up to the task. And I must admit, I am surprised that you feel that they done a good job on the matters. Not to mention, I haven't seen any sort of ruleset being made regarding devs/GM's and their roles in alliances, if they are allowed to reimburst fellow allies stuff, or enemy ships. Why am I still playing? I still have faith that CCP will somehow rise to the challenge and remove all cheaters from the game, regardless of alliance name and corp tag, so we can have an even playing field.
Jordan Musgrat Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:15:00 - [58] Originally by: Marla Durden Originally by: Graalum 'On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero' Great words! Perhaps BoB has the answer to the question: The death of an entity by DigitalCommunist Sad that nobody read this before posting.... Click the linky, it is the end answer. ----------- Primary is family values, secondary is 0.0...
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:17:00 - [59] Edited by: Lord XSiV on 17/03/2007 00:15:49 Edited by: Lord XSiV on 17/03/2007 00:14:33 Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Angry Dan Edited by: Angry Dan on 16/03/2007 12:22:12 Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Please refrain from accusations about cheating - it's not only off topic, but it's also trolling and will be dealt with as such. If you suspect or believe someone has cheated, petition it to the GMs and let Internal Affairs deal with it. The problem here is that no one here believes CCP can effectivley police themselves, internal affairs department or not. So why are you still playing? Why do any of you still play? You accuse us, me, "BoD" of "cheating", yet you do not trust the "referees" (who have far more invested in this enterprise than both of us put together) to validate who is playing fair and who is not. I wouldn't play a game that I thought was stacked against me, it's why I don't gamble, so why on earth are you wasting your time playing? Is it the same reason you're wasting my bandwidth in reading it... just "because"? There's a reason we're all still playing, what's YOUR reason for still playing? This is why bob are so good. Bob doesn't think they are better, they know they are better. They are smarter; in fact much smarter than their opponents when it comes to strategy and tactics. They are more honorable; don't rely on lame excuses to explain failure. Most importantly: They actually acknolwedge this is just a game. The only other entity in Eve that is impressive just so happens to be RA/aaa. They have managed to convince several entities to play the role of 'meatshield' (d2/iron, goons, even Burn Eden and a bunch of others) ensuring that they can maintain their own operations with little fanfare. So kudos to them on their social engineering, especially considering the language barrier and that most people know that it generally isn't a good idea to trust russians :)
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:43:00 - [60] Originally by: Frygok Question is Diana, why should we believe them? And frankly, why should you? This is the crux of my point though, if we don't believe them, why do we play? Originally by: Kay Han @ BoD hahahahahahahaha we onwed yaaaaaaaa I may be a Bo[D], but I still killed your titan.

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