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BuyN Sell	Posted - 2007.03.18 21:05:00 - [91] Originally by: Dianabolic If t20 had not admitted this, if CCP had not published his guilt, all we would be left with is that which we had for the years prior..., "wha wha wha" You'd also be left with a few T2 BPO's if I remember correctly.
The Jok3r Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.03.18 21:09:00 - [92] Edited by: The Jok3r on 18/03/2007 21:06:37 Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Dianabolic To be honest I (RKK) would have preferred that the t20 affair remained untold, but CCP won't have that. Thats a very sad thing to say Diana. Originally by: Dianabolic And now, whatever we say, is tarnished. You are absolutely right. Maybe you ought to answer your own question.. why are you still playing? when everything you (BoB) say will be tarnished. Must be sad to troll games in which one doesn't even play. I might have told you more than I know... "Dont speak english... Ctrl Q Ctrl Q "
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.03.18 21:15:00 - [93] Edited by: Nez Perces on 18/03/2007 21:12:39 Originally by: Jok3r Must be sad to troll games in which one doesn't even play. 15 Euros a month says I'm playing EVE just the way I like it, thankyou very much.
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.18 21:55:00 - [94] Originally by: BuyN Sell This might be the most hilarious post ever on CAOD. I'm sure most of us would be upset about the "whining" too if we had a dev run our cap fleet for a while, give us ISK generating materials and also get access to advanced characters on Singularity to test POS mechanics before the general playerbase. None of these things of course give your alliance any advantage in game whatsoever right? Well as far as I am aware it has yet to be proven that BoB knew anything about from where the "ISK generating materials" originated. Repeating the same unproven facts over and over again doesn't make it true... As to the "access to advanced characters" accusation is concerned, I believe other alliances, such as ASCN, were given the same opportunity, but your poor banned little computer geek/hacker hasn't mentioned that fact, so I suppose it is another CCP conspiracy.
Securion Wolfheart Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.03.18 22:23:00 - [95] How exactly is the BOB members to blame for the actions of a dev? Isnt this all about BOB kicking your asses over and over again and you guys not having any excuses anymore to hate them? BOB will win this one, its in the nature of this game that the best comes out as winners, and as SirMolle said; "Your all dead, you just dont know it yet". Evolution :) Yea yea im a fanboi, pet, whatever... lol. -----====----- Whether we bring our enemies to justice or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done.
BuyN Sell	Posted - 2007.03.18 22:28:00 - [96] Originally by: Der Pfaffe Originally by: BuyN Sell This might be the most hilarious post ever on CAOD. I'm sure most of us would be upset about the "whining" too if we had a dev run our cap fleet for a while, give us ISK generating materials and also get access to advanced characters on Singularity to test POS mechanics before the general playerbase. None of these things of course give your alliance any advantage in game whatsoever right? Well as far as I am aware it has yet to be proven that BoB knew anything about from where the "ISK generating materials" originated. Repeating the same unproven facts over and over again doesn't make it true... As to the "access to advanced characters" accusation is concerned, I believe other alliances, such as ASCN, were given the same opportunity, but your poor banned little computer geek/hacker hasn't mentioned that fact, so I suppose it is another CCP conspiracy. The same information that damned T20 was also released by the same source that showed RKK top brass had knowledge of where he was employed. Now, you can selectively believe only the information that CCP has acknowledged and ignore the rest of the information from the same source or not. I would tend to believe intel from the person because part of it has already been validated by CCP. Just because Diana or fanboi's cry "proof or stfu" means nothing when the accuser has already been validated despite attempts to cover up/ silence him.
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.18 22:58:00 - [97] Originally by: BuyN Sell snip Your spiteful little friend also besmirched the good name of another player who's only "crime" was to accept a job as a GM at CCP. The fact is that you and your small brained herd of conspiracy theorists have yet to come up with any real evidence of BoB wrongdoing as far as the dev thing is concerned however shrilly you might shriek about it on the forums. What I honestly don't understand is that if you feel so strongly about the subject, as you apparently do, why are you still playing the game? Why don't you just sod off and do something more constructive with your time?
Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.18 23:10:00 - [98] Originally by: Der Pfaffe Originally by: BuyN Sell snip Your spiteful little friend also besmirched the good name of another player who's only "crime" was to accept a job as a GM at CCP. The fact is that you and your small brained herd of conspiracy theorists have yet to come up with any real evidence of BoB wrongdoing as far as the dev thing is concerned however shrilly you might shriek about it on the forums. What I honestly don't understand is that if you feel so strongly about the subject, as you apparently do, why are you still playing the game? Why don't you just sod off and do something more constructive with your time? as a merc your mouth is entirely too big for your ship. either fit more cpu for a smakplank upgrade or stfu yourself, alternatively you could always join DICE, I'm sure that you and lokan would enjoy each others company.
Raeff Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.18 23:29:00 - [99] Edited by: Raeff on 18/03/2007 23:42:21 Edited by: Raeff on 18/03/2007 23:40:21 Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 18/03/2007 21:05:50 Originally by: Raeff look at their past .. this statement is 100% truth .. not believing it will be your most fatal flaw taking their space will not win this war The operative word in your post is past. In the past, or at least the past you are talking of where BoB was a nomad entity, there was no need for the static real estate required for dreadnoughts and titans. Nowadays to secure a replenishable capital fleet you need to have a base even if its a temporary one. Just ask MC. (oh thats right you are in MC, you should know) Remove the ability to build capital ships and you remove the ability of an alliance to wage territorial warfare. That goes for any alliance.... BoB or otherwise. Yeah a BoB without territory would be a formidable guerilla force... but we all know the days when guerilla tactics could change the EVE landscape are firmly in the. Without a base of some kind, BoB's ability to wage eve-wide territorial warfare dies. End of story. BoB can die like any other alliance, its just a case of how badly the forces rallied against them want it to happen. Its just a case of willpower. [edit:typo] are you sure thats how the industry side of said alliances are run?
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.19 00:01:00 - [100] Edited by: Der Pfaffe on 19/03/2007 00:01:00 Originally by: Luthien Firefoot Originally by: Der Pfaffe Originally by: BuyN Sell snip Your spiteful little friend also besmirched the good name of another player who's only "crime" was to accept a job as a GM at CCP. The fact is that you and your small brained herd of conspiracy theorists have yet to come up with any real evidence of BoB wrongdoing as far as the dev thing is concerned however shrilly you might shriek about it on the forums. What I honestly don't understand is that if you feel so strongly about the subject, as you apparently do, why are you still playing the game? Why don't you just sod off and do something more constructive with your time? as a merc your mouth is entirely too big for your ship. either fit more cpu for a smakplank upgrade or stfu yourself, alternatively you could always join DICE, I'm sure that you and lokan would enjoy each others company. LoL what's up... I have to STFU because it doesn't follow your view of the world? What has me being a Merc got to do with me saying that the BoB, now it appears CCP, haters have yet to produce any evidence of BoB/Dev wrongdoing? Am I wrong? Did I miss something? For your information I roleplay being a merc in game I enjoy a great deal, made by a company that, I believe, bends over backwards to keep its players happy. What I see here is a constant baseless attack on its integrity and that of the GMs. TBH I'm sick to death of it. Your suggestion that I should go and join DICE is also an indication of the state of some of you in the coilition. Any poster that disagrees with your view of EVE is automatically branded as a BoB fanboi or as a BoB alt or whatever. The sad part is that you don't realise just how pathetic that sounds.
BuyN Sell	Posted - 2007.03.19 00:59:00 - [101] Originally by: Der Pfaffe Originally by: BuyN Sell snip Your spiteful little friend also besmirched the good name of another player who's only "crime" was to accept a job as a GM at CCP. The fact is that you and your small brained herd of conspiracy theorists have yet to come up with any real evidence of BoB wrongdoing as far as the dev thing is concerned however shrilly you might shriek about it on the forums. What I honestly don't understand is that if you feel so strongly about the subject, as you apparently do, why are you still playing the game? Why don't you just sod off and do something more constructive with your time? I am still playing because there will be more outings of employees and firings and bannings in the future and I like 90% of the game outside of the fact that an employee was cheating. It is absolutely hilarious that I am being called small brained and a conspiracy theorist when the facts are clear that cheating has occured. Your ad hominem attacks and blind dismissal of actual facts are indicative of your mediocre rhetorical skills. Please continue to call foul while you stick your head in the sand.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.19 01:15:00 - [102] I think its high time this thread saw the dancing padlock of doom................... --------
This Pilot posts for honor	Posted - 2007.03.19 01:21:00 - [103] Originally by: Der Pfaffe For your information I roleplay being a merc in game I enjoy a great deal, made by a company that, I believe, bends over backwards to keep its players happy. What I see here is a constant baseless attack on its integrity and that of the GMs. TBH I'm sick to death of it. Baseless attack? Sure, we have no reason to think that an alliance in game cheated or had help from a CCP employee. Keep up the ad hominem brother.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.19 01:58:00 - [104] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 19/03/2007 01:58:59 Can they be defeated? Of course Will they be defeated?...that is the real question
Lyman Gilmore Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2007.03.19 13:07:00 - [105] snip Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.19 13:17:00 - [106] Cut it out, all of you. t20 cheated, not Molle, not Diana, not DBPreacher not Bob Member #82828...t20. CCP dealt with their employee, in a way they found suitable, and as such, being judge, jury and executioner, exacted their punishment. Now I'm pretty sure that no-one or a small number number of people posting in COAD have any sort of position of importance within CCP, and its management. So when all you people come out acting as if someone broke into your house and took a dump on your face in the middle of the night, it's very pathetic. The fact is, no-one did, it's a game, and the act of cheating here has been dealt with, so saying your FAITH in a gaming company was destroyed is utter BS. I SERIOUSLY doubt that any major difference was made by these BPOs (except sabre, and even then only minor) as they're all cheap enough that running a lv2 mission in empire can give you a good few thousand rounds of XYZ t2 ammo, and having the bpo is nice, but not something that will cripple an alliance playing 6 regions over. Stop acting as if t20 disbanded your alliance, selected some magical tool that made bob not lag in fleets, or gave them a 10s recharge time for their titans capacitor, it just didn't happen. Bob is by far and away the MOST respectable alliance I've seen, call me a slave, but I've been working WITH them for much longer than a fair few of you 'bandwagoners', and like any other alliance, a select few people who are rude, and a vast majority of polite people. They can be defeated, but not through fighting, through moral, and moral alone can an alliance be killed. And let's face it, the coalition of the South/North isn't quite up to scratch with moral breaking tacticts. ^ my opinion. God I hope this is under 24kb It is :) Kreul Intentions
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.19 13:32:00 - [107] Edited by: welsh wizard on 19/03/2007 13:29:44 Good post Proxay. This whole cheating business is getting old and stale. It's a crap reason to base this war on tbh. Blow up BoB because they're a bunch of loud mouth gits who think they're better than everyone else at Eve. Time to prove otherwise in-game, not in here, aye? n1
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.19 13:45:00 - [108] Originally by: welsh wizard This whole cheating business is getting old and stale. It's a crap reason to base this war on tbh. Blow up BoB because they're a bunch of loud mouth gits who think they're better than everyone else at Eve. Time to prove otherwise in-game, not in here, aye? It is the two together that was a recipe for war. I'm sure there would be no coalition if it wasn't for dbp forum posts.
Etho Demerzel Gallente Mercenaries of Andosia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.19 19:33:00 - [109] Originally by: Proxay Cut it out, all of you. t20 cheated, not Molle, not Diana, not DBPreacher not Bob Member #82828...t20. No, I won't cut it out. I will continue to exert my freedom of speech. If that distresses you, I sugest you stop reading. T20 disclose his identity to those people. They were ware of whom they were dealing with. They accepted his privilleged info and his gifts. Sirmolle, Diana and DBPreacher are intelligente people. To assume they were only poor innocent bystanders is to be naive, sorry. Originally by: Proxay CCP dealt with their employee, in a way they found suitable, and as such, being judge, jury and executioner, exacted their punishment. Now I'm pretty sure that no-one or a small number number of people posting in COAD have any sort of position of importance within CCP, and its management. So when all you people come out acting as if someone broke into your house and took a dump on your face in the middle of the night, it's very pathetic. I pay a monthly fee for this game. I am a customer, and I have every right to feel "as if someone broke into my house and took a dump on my face in the middle of the night" when the service I am paying for is tampered by the people I am paying to. I have every right to feel cheated, robbed and to express it. Originally by: Proxay The fact is, no-one did, it's a game, and the act of cheating here has been dealt with, so saying your FAITH in a gaming company was destroyed is utter BS. I SERIOUSLY doubt that any major difference was made by these BPOs (except sabre, and even then only minor) as they're all cheap enough that running a lv2 mission in empire can give you a good few thousand rounds of XYZ t2 ammo, and having the bpo is nice, but not something that will cripple an alliance playing 6 regions over. At the time the bpos were given even T2 ammunition could produce large ammount of ISK. ISK that was used to grow into the 6 regions alliance (which is a 3 regions one now, btw). Given the positive feedback success generate in this game, and the natural attraction people have for it, it is impossible to tell how much those bpos helped. And worse. It is impossible to tell what kind of benefits BoB gained from their association with T20. Information is power, and having information before everybody else means the capacity to greatly profit on it. Only one example. If someone had told me one week before the info was public released that Inertia stabs would diminush mass in addition to giving agility, in the first part of revelations. I could have made billions, just by mass buying local hulls and beta hulls for a very cheap price and selling them for ten times the value I paid after revelations. Originally by: Proxay Stop acting as if t20 disbanded your alliance, selected some magical tool that made bob not lag in fleets, or gave them a 10s recharge time for their titans capacitor, it just didn't happen. Bob is by far and away the MOST respectable alliance I've seen, call me a slave, but I've been working WITH them for much longer than a fair few of you 'bandwagoners', and like any other alliance, a select few people who are rude, and a vast majority of polite people. They can be defeated, but not through fighting, through moral, and moral alone can an alliance be killed. And let's face it, the coalition of the South/North isn't quite up to scratch with moral breaking tacticts. ^ my opinion. As I said before you cannot tell how much he did. But for what he himself confessed we can say he did worse than the things you use as examples here. Information is by far more important and valuable than magical protection to lag, or medled stats for their ships. These last things can be detected and undone. What he did was far more subtler and had much more impact in the game as role than childish engine manipulations. You, sir, are being naive, to the worst degree...
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.03.19 19:43:00 - [110] This topic will never go away.. and it shouldn't, then perhaps it will never happen again. There are lots of aspects of the t20 scandal that make your blood boil if you stop to think about them for any length of time.
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.19 19:43:00 - [111] Edited by: Baymm on 19/03/2007 19:39:45 Etho: I think you are confused about your freedom of speech rights and this forum. Governments guarantee freedom of speech rights, not game developers. If you are confused about that, then perhaps the rest of your post is equally in error. Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
Etho Demerzel Gallente Mercenaries of Andosia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.19 19:59:00 - [112] Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 19/03/2007 19:57:25 Originally by: Baymm Edited by: Baymm on 19/03/2007 19:39:45 Etho: I think you are confused about your freedom of speech rights and this forum. Governments guarantee freedom of speech rights, not game developers. If you are confused about that, then perhaps the rest of your post is equally in error. No I am not. I am well within the forum rules. And as long as I am, I have freedom of speech. I it is limited, but free within its scope. If you cannot understand this please make a basic course of logic. On the bright side, they will teach you what is a fallacy and why your argument is completely ridiculous too. I may always be wrong about anything I say, as you can too. But even if I was wrong about my statement of freedom of speech that does not make me more or less likely to be wrong about anything else. That requires a bit of thinking to realize, but it is not that difficult. Just try hard and you will make it :)
Cleonius BoBo Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.19 20:25:00 - [113] Originally by: Nez Perces This topic will never go away.. and it shouldn't, then perhaps it will never happen again. There are lots of aspects of the t20 scandal that make your blood boil if you stop to think about them for any length of time. If you think for any length of time about it, you might come to the conclusion that getting one's blood boiling over an overinflated event in an internet game won't do much more than carry you along the road of bitterness. Don't you believe you're spoiling your own enjoyement in the game by denying yourself the relief of forgiveness ? I mean, it's perfectly understandable to be **ed off and all, after the unfortunate events. Yet at the end, the one you're hurting the most by keeping being **ed off is probably yourself. Either you think CCP is honest and will apply teh spanking unto the guilty as much as they are able to, and you can free your mind of this sad affair, or you think they're not, and then why put yourself under the power of unfair people ? Oh well... back to lurking.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.03.19 20:42:00 - [114] Originally by: Cleonius Don't you believe you're spoiling your own enjoyement in the game by denying yourself the relief of forgiveness ? Well... this is a pvp game, in my experience there is no greater satisfaction than fighting against an enemy you dislike (within an in-game context). I mean at the end of the day, playing EVE, is sitting hunched up over a keyboard staring into a monitor for hours on end shooting at pixels. Feeling strongly about those pixels is half the fun. Forgiveness is fine in RL, in EVE.. nah.. in EVE the fun is extracting your pound of flesh.
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.19 21:30:00 - [115] Originally by: Etho Demerzel Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 19/03/2007 19:57:25 Originally by: Baymm Edited by: Baymm on 19/03/2007 19:39:45 Etho: I think you are confused about your freedom of speech rights and this forum. Governments guarantee freedom of speech rights, not game developers. If you are confused about that, then perhaps the rest of your post is equally in error. No I am not. I am well within the forum rules. And as long as I am, I have freedom of speech. I it is limited, but free within its scope. If you cannot understand this please make a basic course of logic. On the bright side, they will teach you what is a fallacy and why your argument is completely ridiculous too. I may always be wrong about anything I say, as you can too. But even if I was wrong about my statement of freedom of speech that does not make me more or less likely to be wrong about anything else. That requires a bit of thinking to realize, but it is not that difficult. Just try hard and you will make it :) So now forum rules are the same thing as freedom of speech? To analogize forum rules to freedom of speech is to border on the absurd. Let's put it to the test: (1) What recourse do you have if a mod were to redact your posts? (2) What recourse do you have if CCP were to change the posting rules specifically denying you the right to post about this issue any longer? You would do far better to come up with better analogies. Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.19 21:55:00 - [116] Originally by: Etho Demerzel T20 disclose his identity to those people. They were ware of whom they were dealing with. They accepted his privilleged info and his gifts. Sirmolle, Diana and DBPreacher are intelligente people. To assume they were only poor innocent bystanders is to be naive, sorry. I see it different. Just because you know that someone is a dev doesn't mean that his BPOs are most likely not ligit. They are normal players, some of them 2003/2004 vets so to speak and allowed to play the game how they like. They are also allowed to obtain a dozen of tech-2 BPOs or more via agent or auction and even allowed to try to become the richest player in EVE, if they want to. Besides that in a corp with a communistic model it's not very uncommon that people lend their BPOs to the corp for production. It's just a matter of how trustworthy the people with access to those BPOs are. Saying that the directors in BoB all knew about it is speculation. And if no new facts are released, it will stay that way, at least for me. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.20 04:31:00 - [117] Originally by: Plutoinum Originally by: Etho Demerzel T20 disclose his identity to those people. They were ware of whom they were dealing with. They accepted his privilleged info and his gifts. Sirmolle, Diana and DBPreacher are intelligente people. To assume they were only poor innocent bystanders is to be naive, sorry. I see it different. Just because you know that someone is a dev doesn't mean that his BPOs are most likely not ligit. They are normal players, some of them 2003/2004 vets so to speak and allowed to play the game how they like. They are also allowed to obtain a dozen of tech-2 BPOs or more via agent or auction and even allowed to try to become the richest player in EVE, if they want to. Besides that in a corp with a communistic model it's not very uncommon that people lend their BPOs to the corp for production. It's just a matter of how trustworthy the people with access to those BPOs are. Saying that the directors in BoB all knew about it is speculation. And if no new facts are released, it will stay that way, at least for me. signed Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.20 06:41:00 - [118] Originally by: Crellion Originally by: Plutoinum I see it different. Just because you know that someone is a dev doesn't mean that his BPOs are most likely not ligit. They are normal players, some of them 2003/2004 vets so to speak and allowed to play the game how they like. They are also allowed to obtain a dozen of tech-2 BPOs or more via agent or auction and even allowed to try to become the richest player in EVE, if they want to. Besides that in a corp with a communistic model it's not very uncommon that people lend their BPOs to the corp for production. It's just a matter of how trustworthy the people with access to those BPOs are. Saying that the directors in BoB all knew about it is speculation. And if no new facts are released, it will stay that way, at least for me. signed You cult of war guys must really have to work to get the bob ass hair out of your teeth each morning.
NeverL Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.20 07:02:00 - [119] i use a tooth pick. ----------------- My dream is to become the best forum warrior there is. Even better then Molle Sir.
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.20 07:09:00 - [120] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Crellion Originally by: Plutoinum I see it different. Just because you know that someone is a dev doesn't mean that his BPOs are most likely not ligit. They are normal players, some of them 2003/2004 vets so to speak and allowed to play the game how they like. They are also allowed to obtain a dozen of tech-2 BPOs or more via agent or auction and even allowed to try to become the richest player in EVE, if they want to. Besides that in a corp with a communistic model it's not very uncommon that people lend their BPOs to the corp for production. It's just a matter of how trustworthy the people with access to those BPOs are. Saying that the directors in BoB all knew about it is speculation. And if no new facts are released, it will stay that way, at least for me. signed You cult of war guys must really have to work to get the bob ass hair out of your teeth each morning. Why are you still posting in this thread, you're not contributing anything but flamebait and hatered, this is the point where you leave this topic to rot and show bob how much you dislike them in-game. Bob can be defeated, but not without a grueling war, this isn't something that will happen over-night, listen to welsh wizard etc, he's had plenty of experience fighting against bob. But of course your too good for that....right? God I hope this is under 24kb It is :) Kreul Intentions

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