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TIvian
Caldari
The Hushz
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Posted - 2007.03.20 11:27:00 -
[121]
 Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Originally by: Blitz'Krieg
With this in mind, truly how badly can BoB be beaten? If they have all of their space and stations taken, all of their shipyards destroyed, will this have a significant effect on boB as a pvp force and a unit?
Yes. No doubt they could continue fighting forever, but if you take their capital shipyards they will lose a lot of isk, and a lot of hard work. Their morale will drop, and their pride will be stolen. Will it be the end of the alliance? Probably not. But it will be a victory for their enemies, probably enough of one to quench the bloodlust.
Shamis
YES!!! OLD SCHOOL BABY!!! NO ONE IS UNBEATABLE!!! and no one knows this more than the man I quoted!!
DEATH TO BoB!! (sorry to the friends and old alliance mates that fly BoB colors...your loyalty is miss-given.)
They say "America is the GREAT SATAN!!"
I say, If they think we're the devil, THEN LETS SEND THEM TO HELL! |
Ellohem
Tears of Redemption
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Posted - 2007.03.20 12:04:00 -
[122]
I honestly dont think the colalition can even with this one lol. granted i was with the colalition but honestly BoB have better logistics then any other alliance in this game and thats a fact.The colalition things just because they have more people they will win. I for one know more isnt always better numbers dont matter tactics and logistics are the key to winning a fight if you can know where and when and what the enemy will be in and at and you come up with a plan like BoB will your done for lol. like others have said BoB is long from being defeated. can they be....yes.... but will they only time will tell
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Happster
Polaris Project
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Posted - 2007.03.20 12:19:00 -
[123]
You can write page up and down with lots of arguments about this, you can drag in good arguments and stupid arguments. But facts will still stand.
In a game like this where humans are the factor, everyone can be beated.
Just that some takes longer then other...
On top one day, last the other...
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killerco
Gallente
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.20 12:31:00 -
[124]
Can bob be defeated? yes
Will bob be defeated? Only time will tell.
This topic ran its course when the topic switched too the T20 topic.
So time for mr. locky
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EglantinFinfleur
Northern Intelligence
Artificial Intelligence.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 12:50:00 -
[125]
Edited by: EglantinFinfleur on 20/03/2007 12:46:59
The accusation of BobDevs ran prior to the T20 affair, since quite a long time. This has been proven right. Also, where there is smoke, there are flames, as the saying goes. What about the other accusations, concerning ISD, events, information leaks and downright in-game resources access made easier?
CCP are awesome devs and their game is beautiful. But they're also gamers. Videogamers, when they play, have a very low set of morals values I'd say. Just play any online game to verify that. Egoism, lying, cheating are commonplace, or even looked at as good things by members of a same guild or player-driven ingame organization, if it can further their goals.
Yet, CCP have to play their game to test it from within, otherwise it wouldn't make sense.
Big problem: how can CCP playtest their game (in real action, not sisi), without the 'gamer' in some of them being tempted to use some privileges?
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Weka Dart
Caldari
Band of Sisters
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Posted - 2007.03.20 13:21:00 -
[126]
Can BOB be defeated ? No.
Why ?
Because there is no-one else in this game who has even the remotest level of natural skill that BOB does.
Most of the ppl lined up against BOB log on for a half hour gank and if it doesn't materialise, either log off or go mining / ratting.
BOB will still be BOB when this game eventually dies in ten or so years, unless you bore them to death..
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This Pilot
posts for honor
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Posted - 2007.03.20 13:28:00 -
[127]
Originally by: EglantinFinfleur
Big problem: how can CCP playtest their game (in real action, not sisi), without the 'gamer' in some of them being tempted to use some privileges?
By actually firing the people caught cheating?
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Swirler
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.20 13:39:00 -
[128]
It's very good that you respect the truth about your enemy; BoB.
Unlike ASCN, Unlike Lotka Volterra, BoB will not give up, fall apart, or quit the fight. They will fight with everything they have for as long as they can. It is for this reason alone, that they are seen as superior and deservedly so.
Goons fight because they have RA Capital support, without it they never would have gotten anywhere. RA fights for isk plexes, throws kibbles to goons to be meat shields, and keeps their capital fleet on call while they plex. Both Alliances fight with half a heart. Fly through Scalding Pass and Detorid lately? No one home, it's like a ghost town except for the Konora gate.
BoB Forces fight to win, with everything they have. It is the reason they have remained at the top.
Originally by: Sorja
If BoB loses it's core systems, they'll be defeated, simple as that.
There's no such thing as 'retreat to Empire' for them.
They'll fight to the death for Delve and if they fail their name will be history.
Remember this reply begins with 'if'.
They are far from defeated.
The coalition first goals are nearly achieved, taking directly on BoB will come in time and those will be interesting times indeed.
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.20 13:57:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Swirler
Goons fight because they have RA Capital support, without it they never would have gotten anywhere. RA fights for isk plexes, throws kibbles to goons to be meat shields, and keeps their capital fleet on call while they plex. Both Alliances fight with half a heart. Fly through Scalding Pass and Detorid lately? No one home, it's like a ghost town except for the Konora gate.
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Just a question, being Aftermath a new alliance living in the Fountain region, and RA/Goons living right on the opposite side, I'm just wondering if you ever fought against Goons or RA. I'm not talking about skirmishes, I'm talking about campaigns.
Have you ever fought a campaign against any of this 2 alliances ?
Thank you
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neusa
Xoth Inc
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:35:00 -
[130]
yeah bob can be defeated :) 2 ways :
1) make them all sleep :D
2) break all bob's connections :) to eve and they can get pewned
otherwise :D i dont think u can defeat bob :).All north coal cant break :) bob :)
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Tequilapepper
Amarr
Xoth Inc
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.20 20:25:00 -
[131]
You will forgive my corpmate smack, my apologies on behalf of XOTH.
Respectfully
Tequilapepper
FIX Grunt
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Mercenaries of Andosia
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.21 07:53:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Plutoinum
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
T20 disclose his identity to those people. They were ware of whom they were dealing with. They accepted his privilleged info and his gifts. Sirmolle, Diana and DBPreacher are intelligente people. To assume they were only poor innocent bystanders is to be naive, sorry.
I see it different. Just because you know that someone is a dev doesn't mean that his BPOs are most likely not ligit.
They are normal players, some of them 2003/2004 vets so to speak and allowed to play the game how they like.
They are also allowed to obtain a dozen of tech-2 BPOs or more via agent or auction and even allowed to try to become the richest player in EVE, if they want to.
Besides that in a corp with a communistic model it's not very uncommon that people lend their BPOs to the corp for production. It's just a matter of how trustworthy the people with access to those BPOs are.
Saying that the directors in BoB all knew about it is speculation. And if no new facts are released, it will stay that way, at least for me.
The disclosure of the Dev identity was on its own an infraction. And infraction they did accept. The disclosure of privileged informations by the same Dev was game changing, an infraction, and was heartly accepted by the people mentioned. I wrote a single example of billion making information that is utterly untraceable: the inertia Stabs changes on revelation. How many others do you think they got?
Now about the bpos, if you received 10 tech 2 bpos at the very beginning of the lottery from a person you know is a dev and shouldn't have told you this, wouldn't you wonder where did he get it? Wouldn't you ask him? Do you think T20 lied to them about the origin of those things? And if so, do you think they were naive enough to believe it? Well, they pose as intelligent people. They even consider themselves as the superior strategists of this game. Although I don't buy the later, I don't contend the former. They are not low intellect innocent bystanders. Please give me a break...
In the end everything is speculation. Absolute truth can never be determined in this world. The best you can find more and more evidences that agree with your theories and therefore imply that they are likely to be truth. As you can never be sure, though, practicality demands that at some point you decide that the evidences and what you can deduce from them are enough to consider the theory correct, at least until new evidence comes to prove the opposite. That is how law works and that is how every belief of your mind and of mine as well are forged.
No matter how you try to excuse them, Plutoinum, there is simply no way to rationally find them innocent in my humble opinion. If it is more comfortable for you to believe otherwise, it is your right though.
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OSughhi
Romanian Army of ManiaCS
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Posted - 2007.03.21 08:41:00 -
[133]
Edited by: OSughhi on 21/03/2007 08:39:17
Oh, please.
Maybe my english is poor but your logic is only a long chain of false presumtions.
First, why to be a dev is an infraction?
Also, why to be a dev that is playing is an infraction.
Or maybe to suspect someone to be a dev in game from your corp is infraction?
Or to suspect and dont yell on eveo forum is infraction?
Or to have in your corp a suspected dev that own BPO is infraction?
Maybe to receive from a player that is suspected as dev a BPO?
Or more than 1. Maybe 10?
Or to receive BPO from a dev player 10 BPO? Infraction?
Or to suspect that BPO are illegal in game and receive from a suspected dev player? Infraction? Are you aware how laws are working?
Or to receive from a known dev player BPO that he didnt admit illegal spawn, but your high IQ suspect that are illegal? Where is the infraction?
Maybe your point is circle around too much on suspected and nontrusted on your corp members and gang friends. From what I have understand in BoB is a very tight frienship and playing. I assume they will rarely start to suspect and accuse left and right on old buddys because they are suspicious rich and vgood in mechanism of game. That line of suspecting everyone is the secure way to destroy trust and friendship in any corp in eve, and I highly doubt BoB members are folowing for very good reasons.
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Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.03.21 11:59:00 -
[134]
This thread is being locked, its run it course and people have utterly derailed it. There is one place and one place only to post about the dev incident and it is in the thread in the information portal not here.
The mod team has kindly asked for people not to derail these thread and ruin this section for others. Please be respectful and do this.
- Thanks Hutch.
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