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Stegas Tyrano
GLU CANU
Open Space Consultancy
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Posted - 2012.12.06 13:22:00 -
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Bump, because this is pretty epic. |
Anhil
StarFleet Enterprises
Red Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.12.09 22:43:00 -
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fantastic.
it would put eve on everyones first page.
again.
i like sandboxing 3rd party apps too as idea. |
Shanara As
Psy Corp Ltd.
558
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Posted - 2012.12.18 11:32:00 -
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as i am an industrialist at heart, and i do see the benfits of a PI revamp (especially the focos on team and corp activities got me hooked) i think this change would drastically alter the game itself.
eve is already called "excel in space" by a lot of people. its probably the most complex MMO-game out there.
and adding to that with such a drastic "improvement" would make it even bigger, but not necessarily better.
maybe i would have to read and re-read it again, but as of now i think they should make PI more worthwhile and team-oriented, less tedious.
making it into a complex game itself while having appeal , will most certainly cost too much time and money and drive focus away from improving the core of the game: ships in space and the interactions they create between space and each other. its not a planetary simulation...
dont get me wrong: its probably the most rounded out idea ever presented.
for that alone you guys deserve props.
"Gotta spend money to make money"
"A fool talks, a wise man listens"
"He who doesn-Št wanna listen, talks the most"
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Paladinhunt
Helion Production Labs
Mildly Sober
6
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Posted - 2012.12.20 01:07:00 -
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Hey, we've all got dreams here and I'm sure none of us are going to die anytime soon. Patience and we will all eventually see PI and Dust develop into fully mature game features.
You've got my vote though for CCP to see this through till the end. |
stg213
Loneops
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Posted - 2013.01.05 16:22:00 -
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+1 with terraforming version B or a modified A
In it's current state terraforming makes no sense. So you have a class M world, you destabilize it... and suddenly you have other minerals present that wheren't there before to mine ?! It does make some sense if you go from barren to lava (because volcanic activity brings new stuff up to the surface)... but if you go from barren to storm it makes no sense that there is new stuff just pops in. Neither does it in reverse, that if you make a barren world into an M class you suddenly loose access to minerals you had access to before... the change ain't that radical.
Additionally I would propose a system for tourism/migration for the npc's in the civilian PI part:
For example if your colony is "great" aka: low pollution, low taxes, nice beaches => a lot of people would like to live there so people on other planets would put up contracts to be shipped there.
Opposite, if your place is a stinking slum, then the people living there will want out, and would put up contracts to be taken out. You can try to lock down migration like the dictator you dream to be... which would only increase the demand to leave Cuba.
Players can then make ISK by "stealing" your population which wants to leave and shipping them away. There is much room for the idea to be more fleshed out... think: covert landing to get out fugitives, dock-master catching you... locking you down... contraband in slaves or in refugees... many possibilities. |
AnJuan Jackson
SHUN THE NON BELIEVER
Li3 Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.07 16:37:00 -
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Two step wrote:As I say to everyone who brings up similar ideas, CCP has game designers already. They are usually good at their job, and are almost always far better than players are at this sort of thing. The chances of them seeing a proposal like this and fully adopting it are basically 0.
In this specific case, CCP had a ton of stuff *planned* for PI, and it turned out to be too much work to implement, so they started cutting features, and we ended up with the system we have now, which is boring and lacks any sort of "game". PI is also where the DUST link will come into play, and they already need to figure out how to make that compelling, fun, and interesting.
So, we shouldn't post ideas and new suggestions because CCP should of thought of it already?
I fully support this topic and hope CCP gives it some special consideration, because EvE online could be a more immersible experience and PI feel less... meaningless.
I also think if CSM's aren't going to take new game ideas seriously, they should be CSM's. Just an opinion. |
Da Dom
Wii R
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:26:00 -
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Best mind-frack eva!
You have my support
:)(:
If your liberty is won by others then you are not free, you are merely protected. Your freedom is parasitic and you suck the honourable man dry. You who have enjoyed freedom, who have done nothing to earn it, your time has come. This time you will stand alone and fight for yourselves. Now you will pay for your freedom in the currency of honest toil and human blood |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
250
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Posted - 2013.01.15 13:01:00 -
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Anything even close to happning? |
Bo Kantrel
GETCO
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.02 18:31:00 -
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Bump |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
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Posted - 2013.02.12 23:28:00 -
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C'mon CCP. I hope you are watching this thread.
"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
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anishamora
Atelierele Grivita
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Posted - 2013.02.15 12:40:00 -
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100% supported |
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
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Posted - 2013.02.18 05:31:00 -
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Still relevant. |
Arduemont
Tempest Legion
Corcoran State
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Posted - 2013.02.18 15:31:00 -
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Not agreeing with any specifics but thumbs up for more iteration on PI.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
SoOza N'GasZ
Geese Jugglers
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Posted - 2013.02.22 11:48:00 -
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I hope this gets put in game.
Legba |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa
Stark Enterprises
2322
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:34:00 -
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Bump for March Feedback
FYI:
This document is once again being updated into a PI 3.0 version to incorporate allot of the changes we've seen implemented and are now familiar with since the Dust open Beta was released.
Feedback from PI 2.0 (The F&I forums topic) beyond page 14 is also being processed and incorporated into the new version.
Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Will Harold
InnerSphere Alliance
The InnerSphere
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:44:00 -
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Let's get this going! +1 |
Zap Zarrap
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.19 16:19:00 -
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1. please implement bookmarks and document links into the pdf.
96 pages as a plain pdf in this time of digital documents s just a painful read.
2. pi needs a revamp but should become a complete game within an already great game.
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Lost True
Paradise project
2075
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Posted - 2013.04.05 02:23:00 -
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It's looks like a great idea, ilthough i've read just a few pages.
I think i'll read it all a bit later on the e-book :)
How boring is this... |
Lost True
Paradise project
2076
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Posted - 2013.04.05 03:54:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Bump for March Feedback
FYI:
This document is once again being updated into a PI 3.0 version to incorporate allot of the changes we've seen implemented and are now familiar with since the Dust open Beta was released.
Feedback from PI 2.0 (The F&I forums topic) beyond page 14 is also being processed and incorporated into the new version.
So when do you plan to upload the PI 3.0? 
How boring is this... |
Lost True
Paradise project
2078
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Posted - 2013.04.05 06:08:00 -
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Just reached page 30.
"oGame with graphics" - that's what i've thought about while reading the military part. cool 
And the Civilian one too... I don't want to spend much time on active gameplay, will it be ratting or ship PvP. So it'll be cool to play this game as the Caesar. To build a big city, and make it my main game style. Without a rush, just planning and watching it from my balcony in the command center :)
The very cool thing could be walking/driving around your city while waiting for somehing to complete, and maybe accidently come up with some new idea for the city...
How boring is this... |
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa
Stark Enterprises
2336
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Posted - 2013.04.05 13:03:00 -
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Lost True wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Bump for March Feedback
FYI:
This document is once again being updated into a PI 3.0 version to incorporate allot of the changes we've seen implemented and are now familiar with since the Dust open Beta was released.
Feedback from PI 2.0 (The F&I forums topic) beyond page 14 is also being processed and incorporated into the new version. So when do you plan to upload the PI 3.0?
I have hopes of publishing it in August 2013.
Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Lost True
Paradise project
2092
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Posted - 2013.04.05 13:39:00 -
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I've just read the part about the social banks and the loans.
The loans part is fine, but what about the deposits? They should exsist together. Because when you start a bank, you don't just giving avay loans from your pocket, the main source for loans is the money from the client's deposits. Loan interest > deposit interest = proffit.
How boring is this... |
Lost True
Paradise project
2092
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Posted - 2013.04.05 13:40:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Lost True wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Bump for March Feedback
FYI:
This document is once again being updated into a PI 3.0 version to incorporate allot of the changes we've seen implemented and are now familiar with since the Dust open Beta was released.
Feedback from PI 2.0 (The F&I forums topic) beyond page 14 is also being processed and incorporated into the new version. So when do you plan to upload the PI 3.0? I have hopes of publishing it in August 2013.
Oh, that's not very soon :)
How boring is this... |
Lost True
Paradise project
2092
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Posted - 2013.04.05 14:03:00 -
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The Large, XL and Capital shipyards on the planet looks a bit strange.
Because the battleship or capital ship can't just take off the surface and fly to the orbit.
They can be constructed, of course. But how to deliver them to the orbit after that? In the RL, they're launching the large things in space part-by-part. The repackaged ship looks like a disasembled to the smaller parts to use the cargo space more efficiently... But such a large ships can only be transported via freighter, which i don't think can land on the planets...
How boring is this... |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa
Stark Enterprises
2337
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Posted - 2013.04.05 19:34:00 -
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Lost True wrote:I've just read the part about the social banks and the loans.
The loans part is fine, but what about the deposits? They should exsist together. Because when you start a bank, you don't just giving avay loans from your pocket, the main source for loans is the money from the client's deposits. Loan interest > deposit interest = proffit.
The deposits are facilitated by the existing corp wallet payment mechanics.
Players can make direct deposits into the bank by giving isk to the corp wallet the bank is linked to. I dont see a reason to formally code an interface for deposits given the existing mechanics in place.
In terms of actually creating a "wallet division" for every person who "banks" with that corporation... might prove to be a massive albeit impossible undertaking given some technical limitations.... But I read some interesting things about hanger revamps with the Odyssey expansion.. so lets wait and see what that POS revamp brings before we start mulling over ideas about delimiting corp wallet divisions. Maybe the hanger revamp idea could be applied to wallet divisions.
Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Lost True
Paradise project
2100
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Posted - 2013.04.07 04:41:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Lost True wrote:I've just read the part about the social banks and the loans.
The loans part is fine, but what about the deposits? They should exsist together. Because when you start a bank, you don't just giving avay loans from your pocket, the main source for loans is the money from the client's deposits. Loan interest > deposit interest = proffit. The deposits are facilitated by the existing corp wallet payment mechanics. Players can make direct deposits into the bank by giving isk to the corp wallet the bank is linked to. I dont see a reason to formally code an interface for deposits given the existing mechanics in place. In terms of actually creating a "wallet division" for every person who "banks" with that corporation... might prove to be a massive albeit impossible undertaking given some technical limitations.... But I read some interesting things about hanger revamps with the Odyssey expansion.. so lets wait and see what that POS revamp brings before we start mulling over ideas about delimiting corp wallet divisions. Maybe the hanger revamp idea could be applied to wallet divisions.
I think it's better to make the deposits support bu this bank mechanic too. There is a reasons.
1. The main reason why the people don't invest isk in deposits is that there is no guarantee - it's can be yet another scam, which is currently working, but can be closed anytime with all the money. In RL banks there is at least some insurance - if bank is collapsed, y'll be able to get your deposit back. It's an only reason to keep the money there - the lowest % in the world, it's hardly a income...
Well, it's kinda hard to do such insurance in EVE, but there is at least can be a mechanism to prevent an obvious scams...
2. I was thinking about an opening some project like that when i'll have more time for game. But what stopped me is that when(if) i'll have many customers, i'll spend all of my time just checking the isk transfers... Well, with CREST i think it'll be easier.
How boring is this... |
Lost True
Paradise project
2100
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Posted - 2013.04.07 13:26:00 -
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Just finished reading.
It's the first time i see such a detailed proposal.
Altough i can argue with a few things, the whole idea is great. I think i'd made it my main profession in eve, along with the current mining and industry.
The strong part of it is that there is a WiS elements. I'm still looking forward to the avatar gameplay, although there is no reason for any hopes.
The skills are cool too. A lot to train and this is good - the current PI are nothing without an alts, so it's not my type.
Well, good luck with that! Are there were any comments from CCP about this?
How boring is this... |
Benar Ellecon
Avedis Corporation
0
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Posted - 2013.04.12 15:46:00 -
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Read the doc...and I love it. This would add so much more depth to the game and tie in the Dust Bunnies with the world in a seamless fashion. Let us hope CCP will take a look at the proposal.
Excellent work btw! |
Felsusguy
Archimedes RD Company
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Posted - 2013.04.18 04:52:00 -
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This idea is incredibly popular, despite the fact that it not only flies in the face of what CCP imagines Planetary Industry to be like, but also splits up PI into three categories even when it would be far better to have them all integrated with each other entirely.
How droll. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa
Stark Enterprises
2351
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Posted - 2013.04.18 06:51:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:This idea is incredibly popular, despite the fact that it not only flies in the face of what CCP imagines Planetary Industry to be like, but also splits up PI into three categories even when it would be far better to have them all integrated with each other entirely.
CCP have been free to finish their PI mini-game with follow up expansions, post their plans for PI, or comment on this ever evolving suggestion for the last 3 years...... or as long as this topic and its predecessors have been running on the old forums lobbying for continued development of those gaming dimensions.
They haven't bothered.
More over, given the sheer lack of information in the public domain around what CCP's plans are for PI...it stands to reason that your making broad, unsubstantiated sweeping statements about what CCP wants...
Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
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