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Loai Qerl
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2016.09.05 21:21:30 -
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I'm glad everyone's looking forward to the coronation so much. There's something about huge festivities like this that bring about an urge to come together in most of us, I think.
Xun Yu? In the event that your request is ignored, which is pretty much going to happen and that's sad but let's think of the future? What are your backup plans for the festivities? I've been working on a growing pile of little CATIZ-TASTIC pennants, with glitter on, and I'd be happy to send some along as a gesture of cross-border sisterhood.
Just let me know where VA takes its deliveries! |
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
326
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Posted - 2016.09.05 22:01:16 -
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Teinyhr wrote:
Entire planets have been razed with just a few words. How amusing it is to see that you think so little of words.
Sure you can keep being pedantic, but I would like to think you can make an actual contribution to the ongoing discussion rather than trying to be a special snowflake or "edgelord", as modern Gallente teenagers like to say.
However, to address your point, please point to the planet in recorded history which has been razed because someone took offense to a few words on a piece of paper written by the planet's population. Don't respond with more useless tripe unless you can come up with a name.
Moving along the discussion... |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Wrecking Machine.
6232
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Posted - 2016.09.05 22:21:38 -
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Teinyhr wrote:Korsavius wrote:How amusing it is to see such a fuss being made over something so small as a few words which can easily be replaced. Entire planets have been razed with just a few words. How amusing it is to see that you think so little of words.
You'll have to pardon Korbin, he's Caldari and, as such, places far more weight on deeds than words.
Congratulations to all loyal citizens of the Empire on the conclusion of their galling Inter-Regnum. We wish you all well on what is, after all, a very Amarrian occaision, and hope to see you much refreshed and refocused on the other side of the celebration.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
641
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Posted - 2016.09.05 22:50:07 -
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Korsavius wrote:Sure you can keep being pedantic, but I would like to think you can make an actual contribution to the ongoing discussion rather than trying to be a special snowflake or "edgelord", as modern Gallente teenagers like to say.
However, to address your point, please point to the planet in recorded history which has been razed because someone took offense to a few words on a piece of paper written by the planet's population. Don't respond with more useless tripe unless you can come up with a name.
Moving along the discussion...
Maybe I did not mean someone took offense on a few words and wiped out a planet. What I meant that you can order planets raided and destroy them with a few words, such as Starkmanir Prime, or the Matari home planets in Pator, or Caldari Prime. I'm sure you can think of many more. Few words can literally mean the end of worlds. I merely replicated your condescending tone and replied in kind what I found laughable about your "tripe."
In politics especially one should choose their words and actions very carefully, I assume we have already established that.
As for the discussion itself, it is laughable to even think that the Villore Assembly would have any place in the ceremony as such as they request - there are literally thousands of people and organizations more capable and deserving of such a position. They will have to follow the coronation from the furthest of seats in the back like anyone else not important enough to be given something else. All in all, this "resolution" looks to me nothing but trying to appear more important and special than they actually are. To whom? I don't know.
And yes I am well aware of the Assemblys' previous work. Commendable, but commendable enough to attend an event such as this with special privileges? Hardly.
Of course, the future Empress and whoever hands out the invitations are entirely free to prove my suspicions wrong later on. |
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
326
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Posted - 2016.09.05 23:03:22 -
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So, again, I'd like to ask if you are actually going to contribute anything relevant to the discussion of the overall tone and content of the resolution itself? You keep falling back upon the offense taken to a few perhaps not adequately chosen words, rather than discussing the content of the overall document at length. There is already enough pages of rhetoric dedicated to addressing this one point. Are you really so bored so as to keep beating a dead horse? Ancestor's choke, the density of some people. |
Teinyhr
Ourumur
641
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Posted - 2016.09.05 23:08:28 -
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Korsavius wrote:So, again, I'd like to ask if you are actually going to contribute anything relevant to the discussion of the overall tone and content of the resolution itself? You keep falling back upon the offense taken to a few perhaps not adequately chosen words, rather than discussing the content of the overall document at length. There is already enough pages of rhetoric dedicated to addressing this one point. Are you really so bored so as to keep beating a dead horse? Ancestor's choke, the density of some people.
Ok.
I give the tone A+ for effort.
The content a B-. |
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
328
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Posted - 2016.09.06 00:41:41 -
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Quote:- what exactly does the VA delegation hope to gain from this interaction?
- how can this foster a greater sense of mutual understanding?
- is there anything planned to promote the sustainability of these good-will acts, or is this just a one time thing?
These issues may be worth discussing or sharing your opinions on. |
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
873
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Posted - 2016.09.06 04:24:14 -
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Dear Taishou Xun Yu, Vice-Chair of the Villore Assembly:
In light of the treaties that remain in force between the Federation and the Empire, President Roden's attendance at the funeral of the Late Empress Jamyl I (Blessed be Her Holy Name!), and in the tradition of Amarr hospitality, I would like to invite members of the delegation to a mixer between any Faithful who choose to attend and any Delegates of the VA who choose to attend. The mixer will be on the 28th of September and consist of cocktails and music. Further details TBD.
Cordially and with God's Blessings,
Lunarisse Aspenstar Daphiti
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Wrecking Machine.
6247
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Posted - 2016.09.06 04:53:45 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:So effectively rather then being happy to simply turn up as any other visitor will be allowed on the day, you are asking for special treatment exactly because you're a pressure group? Perhaps Providence should ask to be given special priviledges on the same basis?
We shall see what the Empire's response will be to this but I suspect you'll be enjoying the show from the same seats as everyone else on these forums.
Didn't you hear, Utari? They sat in committee and they decided that they are important, dammit!
Apparently they found a couple of useful idiots who agreed with them. Frankly I trust Aldrith's opinion.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
643
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Posted - 2016.09.06 08:32:07 -
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Korsavius wrote:Quote:- what exactly does the VA delegation hope to gain from this interaction?
- how can this foster a greater sense of mutual understanding?
- is there anything planned to promote the sustainability of these good-will acts, or is this just a one time thing? These issues may be worth discussing or sharing your opinions on.
Only the VA can actually answer these.
However personally I fail to see how this will in any way foster "a greater sense of mutual understanding" seeing as the assembly only reports to itself and the Federation senate (altough whether or not anyone reads it there is another matter entirely). Mutual understanding implies both parties would benefit from the interaction. Which, by they way, the resolution did not mention, just you.
Likewise I don't even know where you pulled the "good-will acts" from, since the resolution didn't mention such things even in one word. Unless watching a coronation from the sidelines is somehow "a good will act" in itself.
Now lets make one thing straight. I support the Assembly, sort of, I do. I can certainly appreciate their efforts and achievements.
However, did we really need a Villore Assembly resolution on the coronation of the Empress? I could've drafted an equally pompous resolution begging for my corporations place in the coronation (because I'm a capsuleer and I matter, dammit), and I would've been laughed out of the known galaxy.
How this resolution gained such traction in the first place is beyond me. |
Bel Boma
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
129
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Posted - 2016.09.06 11:49:57 -
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I look forward to seeing and speaking with the delegation during the many coming events. |
Alizebeth Amalath
Order of Jamyl
439
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Posted - 2016.09.06 12:51:01 -
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Teinyhr, I don't know you except from your posts. However based on them, I think that I like you quite a bit. |
Avio Yaken
Sanxing
2235
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Posted - 2016.09.06 15:24:48 -
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God damn, days like this I'm happy my job isn't diplomacy. This entire thread went down quicker than the Elder Fleet.
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Nicoletta Mithra
Tekaima Community of New Eden Pilgrims
704
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Posted - 2016.09.06 16:23:26 -
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Maybe the resolution was worded badly in some parts. The idea behind it - to reach out and aim for good diplomatic relations between Amarr and Gallente - is certainly commendable.
It is sad to see so many people focus on the bad things, the darkness. Especially in the case of the Amarr, who sould've adopted the responsibility to serve the light, to bring it forth and to educate, to illuminate. It always pains me when those that should be on the lights side are rather making this cluster a darker place by multiplying and spreading their bad emotions as well as prejudice and stereotype.
The Scripture says: "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." But beware, you who judges like this, for you are not God, nor alike to him. Your understanding is limited and your judgement easily misplaced. He is perfect - you though, are imperfect.
Therefore, you should rather remind yourself of what Scripture says thereafter: "The Mercy of our Emperor is Limitless. His Rule is Benign and Righteous. His Love is Perpetual." You do good to be merciful, benign and righteous and show love in your imperfection! Take these traits and the Emperor as your model. Don't adivse others on their failures first, but bear in mind your own fallability before you speak to them. And when you do, be helpful, show them the way, rather then merely yelling at them that they are on the wrong track. No one ever got onto the straight roads by them being merely decried.
If you want someone to walk the righteous path, don't withdraw from a hand extended! Take the hand in the spirit it's offered, hold it gently and lead them onto path of light. And let your heart be a illuminating candle for them, warm and nurturing.
I for one welcome this initiative of the VA and the spirit in which it is put forth!
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Alizebeth Amalath
Order of Jamyl
440
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Posted - 2016.09.06 16:41:51 -
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If the Villore Accords had not demanded special treatment, then I doubt anyone would have said anything. If the Villore Accords had approached this endeavor with the humility of guests, they would have been welcomed. If their spirit had been one of friendship, it would have been reciprocated. |
Nicoletta Mithra
Tekaima Community of New Eden Pilgrims
711
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Posted - 2016.09.06 21:19:47 -
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Can one read a demand for special treatment into the original post? Probably. Does one have to read it into the OP? Most certainly not!
How guests behave differs quite a lot if you look at the Empire and at the Federation. It's easy to complain that the neighbours from the Federation which we have in the members of the VA didn't behave as we expect proper guests to behave, without showing them what we'd expect, really.
The point is: Even if they misbehaved in some ways, that doesn't justify to reciprocate in kind. Two wrongs don't make a right. The right thing is to welcome them despite their failings and help them to better themselves.
The Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man, not to lament the bad state it's in and then reciprocate in kind. No, that's the wrong way. And Amarr should know better. |
Teinyhr
Ourumur
645
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Posted - 2016.09.06 21:34:20 -
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What the hell are you lot even on about. Who has "wronged" them and in what way? |
Alizebeth Amalath
Order of Jamyl
444
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Posted - 2016.09.06 21:48:41 -
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I do not know about you, Ms. Mithra, but I phrase my requests to visit much more politely. Rather than announcing that they were forming a delegation and then in the same breath state they expected that delegation to be treated as foreign diplomats and dignitaries, they should have requested an invitation to come. That would have been correct and proper.
"We're coming. Better treat us right. We're very important in the Federation." That is how they came across. And the Amarr rightly pointed out that was the incorrect way to do things. The Villore Accords are the ones that made this issue public with their post. Then they doubled down on their arrogance that they had debated the language and they found it proper.
If someone that you didn't know came to your home and demanded to be let in and that you cook them a proper dinner, I suspect you would take offense to that. I would too. My door will open to any that request invitation, but will not crack to a demand. |
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
691
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Posted - 2016.09.06 21:58:45 -
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Official Society Press Release
On the most auspicious occasion of the upcoming Coronation of Her Imperial Majesty the Society wishes to extend an invitation to the Villore Assembly Delegation to observe this historic event from a well-situated venue on Amarr Prime with the delegation afforded full diplomatic rights, status, and credentials insofar as they are grantable in my capacity as Chief Diplomat of the Society and under the official recognition and as guests of Dar-al Barakah. We have submitted the appropriate notification with the Ministry of Internal Order.
In this glorious season we have only open arms for all who come in peace to witness the formal crowning of Her Imperial Majesty as Empress and we in particular would most wish for the Villore Assembly's delegates to be our guests.
Peace in our time!
[signed]
Lord Ibrahim (Legatus)
"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
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Nicoletta Mithra
Tekaima Community of New Eden Pilgrims
715
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Posted - 2016.09.06 22:01:29 -
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Quote:Resolution VA/2/1
Second Villore Assembly
(...)
2. Requests that the members of this delegation be afforded all diplomatic rights as any other foreign delegation, (...)
It's astonishing how easily you misread "request" as "demand", Cpt. Amalath. |
Alizebeth Amalath
Order of Jamyl
446
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Posted - 2016.09.06 22:11:25 -
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The demand is that they be allowed to come regardless. Gallente citizens do not have any right to step foot on Amarr Prime or any other planet in the Holy Amarr Empire.
Lord Ibrahim's announcement is how this should have happened. |
Julianus Soter
Moira.
Villore Accords
354
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Posted - 2016.09.06 22:36:05 -
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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:Official Society Press Release
On the most auspicious occasion of the upcoming Coronation of Her Imperial Majesty the Society wishes to extend an invitation to the Villore Assembly Delegation to observe this historic event from a well-situated venue on Amarr Prime with the delegation afforded full diplomatic rights, status, and credentials insofar as they are grantable in my capacity as Chief Diplomat of the Society and under the official recognition and as guests of Dar-al Barakah. We have submitted the appropriate notification with the Ministry of Internal Order.
In this glorious season we have only open arms for all who come in peace to witness the formal crowning of Her Imperial Majesty as Empress and we in particular would most wish for the Villore Assembly's delegates to be our guests.
Peace in our time!
[signed]
Lord Ibrahim (Legatus)
As Chairman of the Federation-Empire Relations committee, I gratefully accept the invitation of the Society. Our delegation is extremely eager to attend this historic event and facilitate a new understanding between our peoples.
Regards,
Julianus Soter
Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter
https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/
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Nicoletta Mithra
Tekaima Community of New Eden Pilgrims
721
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Posted - 2016.09.06 22:36:16 -
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Where in the resolution do you read of any such demand? You seem like a master of eisegesis.
And yes, Lord Ibrahim is to commend for taking an outstretched hand and leading it on the proper path. He's acting like a proper Holder and Amarr should, where others merely complained about formalities. |
Alizebeth Amalath
Order of Jamyl
446
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Posted - 2016.09.06 22:45:18 -
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Point the first was clearly that they are assembling a delegation to come. Not requesting an invitation for a delegation to come, but that they are coming. |
Tressith Sefira
Sanxing
73
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Posted - 2016.09.06 22:48:03 -
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Gosh I'm real excited to see everyone at the coronation and the mixer party! I hope we'll have a lotta fun and I can't wait to see my friends! I'll have to buy a fancy dress again. My last one got shredded bad.
Captain Mithra, I'm still super hyped to visit you and your estate too, when I've returned from planetside leave. I haven't forgotten! Pinky promise. |
Mitara Newelle
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
420
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Posted - 2016.09.06 23:02:13 -
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This has been a difficult conversation to follow. Diplomacy is not something I am suited for, so that may be the impediment to understanding.
Can someone explain this to me?
Xun Yu wrote:These requests have been endorsed by observers from Amarrian organisations...
James Syagrius wrote:Indeed we will, we are not asking the Empire for anything, we are asking the Federal authorities to include members of the Assembly in their delegation...
Is it common to seek assistance from foreigners when petitioning your own government in the Federation?
Again, I am no diplomat, but I imagine here in the Empire this is likely to work against you.
Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Mitara Newelle
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
422
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Posted - 2016.09.06 23:18:09 -
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Nicoletta Mithra wrote:The Scripture says: "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." But beware, you who judges like this, for you are not God, nor alike to him. Your understanding is limited and your judgement easily misplaced. He is perfect - you though, are imperfect.
Therefore, you should rather remind yourself of what Scripture says thereafter: "The Mercy of our Emperor is Limitless. His Rule is Benign and Righteous. His Love is Perpetual." You do good to be merciful, benign and righteous and show love in your imperfection! Take these traits and the Emperor as your model. Don't adivse others on their failures first...
You seem to have left out the passages in between, Ms Mithra -
"Be Careful. Pure Thought is the Instigator of Sin.
Be Watchful. Free Thought is the Begetter of Disorder.
Be Respectful. Uniform Thought is the Way of Life."
The Mercy of the Emperor is limitless, true, but it is our duty to Be Careful, Be Watchful, and Be Respectful of the Way.
This announcement rightly, or wrongly, was thought by the Faithful and those outside the Faith alike to be targeted at Amarr. I believe our Brothers and Sisters, and some foreigners it seems, were letting the Villore Assembly know this was not proper decorum.
Of course, I may be mistaken in their motives, I am but an observer to these proceedings.
Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Alizabeth Vea
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
830
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Posted - 2016.09.06 23:31:46 -
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Mitara Newelle wrote:
This announcement rightly, or wrongly, was thought by the Faithful and those outside the Faith alike to be targeted at Amarr. I believe our Brothers and Sisters, and some foreigners it seems, were letting the Villore Assembly know this was not proper decorum.
I think that my lady has the right of it. The Gallente have brought people together: Minmatar and Amarr all in agreement about their criticism of the Villore Accords. God does work in mysterious ways.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
SFRIM Evocatus and ARC FC
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
Heiian Conglomerate
482
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Posted - 2016.09.06 23:35:44 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Mitara Newelle wrote:
This announcement rightly, or wrongly, was thought by the Faithful and those outside the Faith alike to be targeted at Amarr. I believe our Brothers and Sisters, and some foreigners it seems, were letting the Villore Assembly know this was not proper decorum.
I think that my lady has the right of it. The Gallente have brought people together: Minmatar and Amarr all in agreement about their criticism of the Villore Accords. God does work in mysterious ways.
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Alizabeth Vea
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
830
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Posted - 2016.09.07 00:00:37 -
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What's the old saying: the fastest way to get the right answer on the galnet is to say the wrong answer?
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
SFRIM Evocatus and ARC FC
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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