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Sammie MacWinters
P.C.U. Croatoa
87
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Posted - 2016.09.07 03:37:20 -
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John Revenent wrote:Sammie MacWinters wrote:We're having a nice conversation. Go away. About something that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I believe the term is called derailing.
Elanion wrote: Thread was good and derailed by the time the fashion discussion started.
We're talking about proper dress for the delegation. This is very much on topic.
If anything, we've rerailed it. |
Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
208
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Posted - 2016.09.07 03:37:27 -
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John Revenent wrote:Sammie MacWinters wrote:We're having a nice conversation. Go away. About something that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I believe the term is called derailing.
I think the main thing you're unfortunately missing is that the bulk and the beef of this thread has long since passed wherein people were complaining and whinging about a single tiny itty bitty wording error and latching on to it ("Requesting? NO, THAT MEANS DEMANDING") and otherwise. While this discussion is a touch spotty with regards to the OP content, it's very much an on-topic inquiry into the dress code of the mixer that will take place after the coronation in addition to some interesting insights in Federal/Empire differences! It's really neat stuff.
I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
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Ria Nieyli
46014
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Posted - 2016.09.07 03:47:30 -
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Do keep in mind that lipstick can be considered Heresy in some parts of Empire.
"slang" is shortened language for "shortened language"
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Sammie MacWinters
P.C.U. Croatoa
87
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Posted - 2016.09.07 03:52:22 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Do keep in mind that lipstick can be considered Heresy in some parts of Empire.
Which only applies to those of the faith or of the Empire. |
Tressith Sefira
Sanxing
113
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Posted - 2016.09.07 03:55:16 -
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Sammie MacWinters wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:Do keep in mind that lipstick can be considered Heresy in some parts of Empire. Which only applies to those of the faith or of the Empire.
Noooo see this is what I've been saying. As a diplomatic delegation we want to be polite and respect local customs. I won't wear lipstick. Is lip gloss illegal? |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
6263
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Posted - 2016.09.07 04:05:56 -
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John Revenent wrote:Sammie MacWinters wrote:We're having a nice conversation. Go away. About something that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I believe the term is called derailing.
Now, now John. Don't tell me it hasn't been illuminating to see which Amarr were kissing up to the Feddies? It seems we can trust Lady Newelle and House, at least.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1980
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Posted - 2016.09.07 04:30:54 -
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Nicoletta Mithra wrote:indeed I left those lines out, knowingly so. You will note: They are addressed to the reader: That is the Amarr faithful.
Sincere question here:
Wouldn't all of the verses be addressed to the reader? I mean, that's the point of having them read it, no?
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Lord Kailethre
Oruze Cruise
White Stag Exit Bag
363
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Posted - 2016.09.07 04:32:06 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Do keep in mind that lipstick can be considered Heresy in some parts of Empire.
Only if it's absolutely terribly applied and/or totally unflattering to the wearer. Fashion crimes are truly heretical. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2235
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Posted - 2016.09.07 04:50:34 -
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Tressith Sefira wrote:Sammie MacWinters wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:Do keep in mind that lipstick can be considered Heresy in some parts of Empire. Which only applies to those of the faith or of the Empire. Noooo see this is what I've been saying. As a diplomatic delegation we want to be polite and respect local customs. I won't wear lipstick. Is lip gloss illegal?
Ah-- Triss? Joking aside, I'm pretty sure this is a straight-up "no." Lipstick's not a problem either. Caldari sensibilities might consider it decadent in places, but Amarr tend to see aesthetics as functional and practical. Why would God's kingdom in this world insist on looking utilitarian? Even an Amarrian battleship serves a religious function, after all.
My use of cosmetics is pretty sparing by Amarrian standards, but I do use a little. It's never gotten me in any trouble at all. |
Ria Nieyli
46014
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Posted - 2016.09.07 05:09:26 -
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Oh, I'm sure lipstick will be completely fine in a meeting of high order.
Just don't go wearing it on some Ammatar planets. Or makeup. Or have tattoos. Witchcraft trials are still a thing in some places. Come to think of it, being a capsuleer would qualify you to be burnt at the stake too.
"slang" is shortened language for "shortened language"
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Sammie MacWinters
P.C.U. Croatoa
89
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Posted - 2016.09.07 05:15:25 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Oh, I'm sure lipstick will be completely fine in a meeting of high order.
Just don't go wearing it on some Ammatar planets. Or makeup. Or have tattoos. Witchcraft trials are still a thing in some places. Come to think of it, being a capsuleer would qualify you to be burnt at the stake too.
These sound like backwater planets. |
Lord Kailethre
Oruze Cruise
White Stag Exit Bag
365
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Posted - 2016.09.07 06:16:19 -
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Sammie MacWinters wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:Oh, I'm sure lipstick will be completely fine in a meeting of high order.
Just don't go wearing it on some Ammatar planets. Or makeup. Or have tattoos. Witchcraft trials are still a thing in some places. Come to think of it, being a capsuleer would qualify you to be burnt at the stake too. These sound like backwater planets.
It sounds like total nonsense from someone who has never set foot in the Mandate. |
Ria Nieyli
46014
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Posted - 2016.09.07 06:32:20 -
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Oh, but I have been. It's the unique cultural juxtaposition of the region that has brought oddities such as this one forward.
"slang" is shortened language for "shortened language"
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2236
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Posted - 2016.09.07 06:53:33 -
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... well, it's a big Empire, and capsuleers aren't well-liked in a lot of places.
But ... really? It seems pretty unlikely that even isolated communities would develop views like that about things that are hallmarks of mainstream Amarrian society. Including the Empress.
Var? Ms. Kernher? If you're monitoring at all-- have you ever heard of such a thing? |
Teinyhr
Ourumur
645
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Posted - 2016.09.07 09:08:21 -
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Kolodi Ramal wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote:Minmatar and Amarr all in agreement about their criticism of the Villore Accords. One Minmatar whose careless aspersing is a matter of debate and disagreement on our shared homeplanet. Athryn Noduri of Ru (Teinyhr) has a valid point or two but the way she chose to make them is considered shameful by some Vherokior subtribes and clans. You're not supposed to turn around and urinate on the people inside your own tent. Care with words is of cultural importance to many Vherokior because of our large involvement in commerce but supporting "our own" is important too. If Teinyhr really supported the Villore Assembly and our Federal allies, she would have made her objections in private. Her choice to make her objections public and persistent is an act of disrespect for everything the Assembly has done and every person in the Assembly who's trying to make the world a little better. (This post is going to earn me some flak but in subtribe Lunhis it's acceptable to respond to public bad behavior of this type with public censure.)
One: I never claimed to be the spokesperson of the Minmatar, or my Tribe, or even my clan. I have only expressed MY views, please do point where I have done otherwise. While yes, what I do can be counted as acting in the name of my family and clan and to some extent my tribe, I have distanced myself quite a bit from day-to-day affairs with the Clan. They're free to cut any lingering ties with me if they so choose and consider me unworthy to stand with them. However until they do, I suggest you do not lecture me or my Clan on anything.
Two: The Villore Assembly are not "my own." I wasn't aware that saying I respect them in a way made me somehow affiliated with them - I do not affiliate with them in any way besides from silent and sometimes vocal support.
Three: I have no idea what I've done to **** you off this much, or indeed most of the people in this thread. You and many other people seem to act like some terrible insults have been thrown around, while most that has or had been done at that point was to tell them to check themselves before they wreck themselves and tone down their ego a bit.
Four: You got any complaints with me, then involve me, not the people behind me. |
Alizabeth Vea
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
832
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Posted - 2016.09.07 09:57:45 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Now, now John. Don't tell me it hasn't been illuminating to see which Amarr were kissing up to the Feddies? It seems we can trust Lady Newelle and House, at least. I still sing 'And Bombard Gallente Prime' in the shower sometimes. Though I do omit the refrain. I am sure you can understand why.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
SFRIM Evocatus and ARC FC
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Sammie MacWinters
P.C.U. Croatoa
91
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Posted - 2016.09.07 10:01:58 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Now, now John. Don't tell me it hasn't been illuminating to see which Amarr were kissing up to the Feddies? It seems we can trust Lady Newelle and House, at least. I still sing 'And Bombard Gallente Prime' in the shower sometimes. Though I do omit the refrain. I am sure you can understand why.
That's an inappropriate comment to make in a thread about fostering positive relations.
Keep it to yourself. |
Alizabeth Vea
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
832
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Posted - 2016.09.07 10:27:45 -
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It's a catchy tune. Maybe I'll make a thread to try and get all the verses collected. I've forgotten several.
Actually most of the songs I learned a girl were catchy: 'Napalm Sticks to Frogs,' 'All I Ever Wanna See . . .' and 'Sniper Wonderland' are tunes I still remember today.
Whatever else happened after, my time at the CNM Academy for Girls is something I will always remember fondly. The songs and ditties were great, almost as fun as the weapons training. Got to keep fourteen year old girls focused somehow, right?
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
SFRIM Evocatus and ARC FC
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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William Danneskjold
32
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Posted - 2016.09.07 10:52:03 -
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The amount of petty bullshit in the thread is quite frankly appalling and disgusting. I'm forever reminded that capsuleers are not, as the training would claim, the top .00001% of society's intelligent, but are instead a group of immature children bleating in an abattoir.
War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1391
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Posted - 2016.09.07 10:55:16 -
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William Danneskjold wrote:The amount of petty bullshit in the thread is quite frankly appalling and disgusting. I'm forever reminded that capsuleers are not, as the training would claim, the top .00001% of society's intelligent, but are instead a group of immature children bleating in an abattoir.
We just happen to have guns. Very big guns.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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William Danneskjold
32
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Posted - 2016.09.07 11:08:52 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:William Danneskjold wrote:The amount of petty bullshit in the thread is quite frankly appalling and disgusting. I'm forever reminded that capsuleers are not, as the training would claim, the top .00001% of society's intelligent, but are instead a group of immature children bleating in an abattoir. We just happen to have guns. Very big guns.
Most unfortunate for the betterment of mankind.
I applaud those few in the Amarr community and the Federation community looking to build bridges instead of burning them. It is absolutely pathetic that so many on the Amarr side are attempting to burn this bridge because of what is ultimately a meaningless gesture to the Empire, as only a handful here have even been formally recognized by that entity in the first place, yet purport to represent its interests.
War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.
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Sammie MacWinters
P.C.U. Croatoa
92
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Posted - 2016.09.07 11:10:30 -
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William Danneskjold wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:William Danneskjold wrote:The amount of petty bullshit in the thread is quite frankly appalling and disgusting. I'm forever reminded that capsuleers are not, as the training would claim, the top .00001% of society's intelligent, but are instead a group of immature children bleating in an abattoir. We just happen to have guns. Very big guns. Most unfortunate for the betterment of mankind. I applaud those few in the Amarr community and the Federation community looking to build bridges instead of burning them. It is absolutely pathetic that so many on the Amarr side are attempting to burn this bridge because of what is ultimately a meaningless gesture to the Empire, as only a handful here have even been formally recognized by that entity in the first place, yet purport to represent its interests.
I just want to talk about the dress code for the mixer. Is that so bad? |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1394
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Posted - 2016.09.07 11:54:56 -
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Sammie MacWinters wrote:William Danneskjold wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:William Danneskjold wrote:The amount of petty bullshit in the thread is quite frankly appalling and disgusting. I'm forever reminded that capsuleers are not, as the training would claim, the top .00001% of society's intelligent, but are instead a group of immature children bleating in an abattoir. We just happen to have guns. Very big guns. Most unfortunate for the betterment of mankind. I applaud those few in the Amarr community and the Federation community looking to build bridges instead of burning them. It is absolutely pathetic that so many on the Amarr side are attempting to burn this bridge because of what is ultimately a meaningless gesture to the Empire, as only a handful here have even been formally recognized by that entity in the first place, yet purport to represent its interests. I just want to talk about the dress code for the mixer. Is that so bad?
It's very bad. Talks of fashion has triggered riots before.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
646
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Posted - 2016.09.07 12:03:21 -
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William Danneskjold wrote:
I applaud those few in the Amarr community and the Federation community looking to build bridges instead of burning them.
Talking about giving undue importance to little things, whoa there bud. |
William Danneskjold
32
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Posted - 2016.09.07 12:07:54 -
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Teinyhr wrote:William Danneskjold wrote:
I applaud those few in the Amarr community and the Federation community looking to build bridges instead of burning them.
Talking about giving undue importance to little things, whoa there bud.
Depends on how you define 'little' and to whom. To the Empires, they don't give two ***** about what we do, so what's it really matter?
War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
648
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Posted - 2016.09.07 12:41:06 -
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William Danneskjold wrote:Teinyhr wrote:William Danneskjold wrote:
I applaud those few in the Amarr community and the Federation community looking to build bridges instead of burning them.
Talking about giving undue importance to little things, whoa there bud. Depends on how you define 'little' and to whom. To the Empires, they don't give two ***** about what we do, so what's it really matter?
Well for one thing I considered this whole thing a very very minor event in galactic politics until, as you put it, a bunch of people started bleating about how terrible everyone is for pointing out obvious flaws in it and not agreeing with members of the Assembly 100%. Really. This whole announcement, in the end, served absolutely no purpose whatsoever, other than to a few people to toot their own horn. And when they got called out for it, a ruckus erupted.
Because, as stated, this is resolution, if we're still talking about that and not cocktail parties, had nothing to do with building bridges, at least not from both sides, it was decidedly single sided. Read the resolution again and tell me how you came to the conclusion it is helping to build Amarr-Gallente relations in any way? |
William Danneskjold
32
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Posted - 2016.09.07 12:51:26 -
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Easily. Individuals on the Amarr side willing to look past the one-sided request of the Federation boys and girls to their own government, and extend a hand, despite the Accord's attempt at unilaterally inviting themselves.
War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
6268
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Posted - 2016.09.07 13:48:03 -
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William Danneskjold wrote:Easily. Individuals on the Amarr side willing to look past the one-sided request of the Federation boys and girls to their own government, and extend a hand, despite the Accord's attempt at unilaterally inviting themselves.
Now tell me why I wouldn't want to put a fork in that?
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1988
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Posted - 2016.09.07 15:49:44 -
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Teinyhr wrote:Read the resolution again and tell me how you came to the conclusion it is helping to build Amarr-Gallente relations in any way?
William Danneskjold wrote:Easily. Individuals on the Amarr side willing to look past the one-sided request of the Federation boys and girls to their own government, and extend a hand, despite the Accord's attempt at unilaterally inviting themselves.
But those individuals on the Amarr side aren't in the resolution she asked you about. They're in the reaction to the resolution that you're excoriating. How can an entity like the Federation, or any of its representatives, or anyone hoping to be its representatives, espouse a position of 'shut up and let only one group answer'? Wouldn't the very principles of the Federation demand that the negative responses be heard as well? That all of those among the Amarr who choose to stand up and be counted on this issue be respected for that, and praised for it, even if others disagree with the things they say?
So, to put the question to you again: How did you come to the conclusion that the resolution, not the responses to it, are helping to build Amarr-Gallente relations?
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Now tell me why I wouldn't want to put a fork in that?
Because you should always use a spoon. It's dull. It hurts more. |
William Danneskjold
36
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Posted - 2016.09.07 16:24:57 -
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My conclusion is that the bridge building comes from people willing to discuss, on both sides, and meet in the middle. I'm not talking about the people who have rational opposition as being petty and burning bridges. I'm talking strictly about people who came in, mouths frothing and firing off split-second responses.
And as I already said earlier, the whole thing is silly anyway, because its unlikely anyone will give a rat's ass what we say or do up here in space and on the Summit.
War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.
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