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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2016.09.05 16:33:00 -
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As part of the preparations for the launch of Clone States in November, and as part of our continuous efforts to improve account security for EVE Online, we are currently in the process of working on changes to the EVE Online client that will result in the removal of the ability to log into EVE via launching exefile.exe from the EVE\sharedcache\%servername%\bin\ folder.
This change is currently planned to be implemented on September 20th.
After this date, players will no longer be able to log in directly through the front end of the EVE Online client and will instead be required to use the launcher to log in at all times in order to improve account security and streamline the login process.
If you would like to discuss this change, you can do so in this thread.
CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2016.09.05 16:36:08 -
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Reserved!
CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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Ilian Amarin
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
11
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Posted - 2016.09.05 16:45:28 -
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Happy to hear this as it will massively improve account security.
As long as people have the brain to enable 2FA. |
FearlessLittleToaster
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
126
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Posted - 2016.09.05 16:45:48 -
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Since the launcher is functional now I can't object to this. Please though, for future reference, keep in mind that if you are looking at making major changes to how the launcher works you need to keep it at it's current level of functionality.
Logging in to Eve using the old method, configuring multiple accounts to get set up, etc. etc. was just enough of a chore to stop me playing sometimes if the kid had really run me ragged. Yes, really. The current launcher makes it very easy, and I like that, so don't break it. |
Koenig Yazria
Adversity. Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2016.09.05 16:50:09 -
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FearlessLittleToaster wrote:Since the launcher is functional now I can't object to this. Please though, for future reference, keep in mind that if you are looking at making major changes to how the launcher works you need to keep it at it's current level of functionality. Logging in to Eve using the old method, configuring multiple accounts to get set up, etc. etc. was just enough of a chore to stop me playing sometimes if the kid had really run me ragged. Yes, really. The current launcher makes it very easy, and I like that, so don't break it.
No it is not functional. It always forgets logins. Half of the time it is not possible to login through the launcher.
What is wrong with you Falcon ??' |
Opner Dresden
Lugus Foundry The Explicit Alliance
37
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Posted - 2016.09.05 16:59:45 -
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More nails in the coffin for Eve as CCP continues it's valiant war against people who actually like playing the game enough to have enough clients to justify Isboxer. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2016.09.05 17:17:19 -
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Aww It's nice to have and far better use for me personally with the separate profiles it creates, and still worked even when the login server or launcher fails.
I'm sad to see it go.
Also, for those that are stlil using the "old" launcher, is that one going to be killed suddenly too? (I know it's not "supported" but it can still be used)
/c
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Koenig Yazria
Adversity. Psychotic Tendencies.
19
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Posted - 2016.09.05 17:21:50 -
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I remember when this was going to happen during the lifetime of the old launcher.
And yet many people where convinced that there were no issues.
Whatevs, literally don't want us to play the game. |
Porcelina
ELUSH Rehab
22
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Posted - 2016.09.05 17:24:54 -
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The launcher is broken. Why do you think so many people need to use the exefile directly? Seriously... Do you even play your own game?
Also, what about all of the legitimate players with multiple accounts? You have the least multbox friendly game in existence. Stop it now. Fix it - don't break it for everyone. |
Astrid Farnsworth
Broke and Famous
4
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Posted - 2016.09.05 17:35:12 -
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This is good. Just have to deal wit the problem that sometimes it forget all the account i have on it and i have to re enter all the info.
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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
507
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Posted - 2016.09.05 17:35:36 -
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First they came for the LINUX users, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a LINUX users.
Then they came for the DirectX 9 users, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a DirectX 9 user.
Then they came for the XP users, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a XP user.
Then they came for .exe users GÇöand I thought keep up the good work CCP weeding out all these losers.
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
953
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Posted - 2016.09.05 17:39:01 -
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Will third party launchers such as Rapid Light EVE Launcher continue to work?
https://github.com/Frosty-nee/rlel
On an unrelated note all but one member of my corp, the 7th largest independent corp in New Eden , relies on RLEL to log in to the game.
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Cerian Alderoth
Cult of the Black Monolith
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Posted - 2016.09.05 17:39:16 -
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Before you do that, re-visit the launcher's code:
The EVE Online Launcher - Suggestion thread
The fact that the Launcher still won't produce proper error messages, sometimes fails to update or freezes after the update (Twitch incident), uses up to several hundred Megabytes of system memory, and spikes CPU usage every ten seconds to do *nothing* is bad code.
TL:DR The current implementation of the launcher is flawed by design.
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Hinata' Hyuga
Megatokyo LTD
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Posted - 2016.09.05 17:44:50 -
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As someone who uses ISBoxer for screen management and doesn't abuse any of the features that have been banned, I do not support this change. Managing 5 accounts is a hassle without third party software and no other third-party software come close to screen management like ISBoxer can. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2016.09.05 17:46:03 -
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Jackie Fisher wrote:First they came for the LINUX users, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a LINUX users.
Then they came for the DirectX 9 users, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a DirectX 9 user.
Then they came for the XP users, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a XP user.
Then they came for .exe users GÇöand I thought keep up the good work CCP weeding out all these losers.
This is CCP coming for the linux users... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=482663&find=unread
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Flying Squidwolf
Indigo Bank
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Posted - 2016.09.05 17:47:02 -
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Just had to reinstall the whole damn game because it got stuck in an update loop >_> |
Messenger Of Truth
Butlerian Crusade
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Posted - 2016.09.05 17:47:54 -
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If you're doubling down on the launcher, can you make it so that it doesn't lose track of each account every time there is a temporary network connection drop as my computer comes out of sleep mode? Its happend 4 times this week.
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Hulk Miner
White Horse Incorporated
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Posted - 2016.09.05 17:49:35 -
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Having only switched over to the new launcher the past 6 months from using Exefile for many years I find its really streamlined my login, who can moan over clicking 1 button to login all your characters?
Maybe i have just been lucky.
As for forgetting all your login details make sure you create another profile then switch your login to this, hey presto.
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Hulk Miner
White Horse Incorporated
62
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Posted - 2016.09.05 17:53:58 -
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Chribba wrote:Aww It's nice to have and far better use for me personally with the separate profiles it creates, and still worked even when the login server or launcher fails. I'm sad to see it go. Also, for those that are stlil using the "old" launcher, is that one going to be killed suddenly too? (I know it's not "supported" but it can still be used) /c
Do you know that you can create multiple profiles in the launcher and assign one to each login, like exefile used to do? This way your graphics settings and display are unique for each login.
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Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
545
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Posted - 2016.09.05 17:59:01 -
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CCP, can we first please get a resolution to the security issues of non-expiring login/refresh tokens? |
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Cerian Alderoth
Cult of the Black Monolith
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Posted - 2016.09.05 18:04:49 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:[quote]The EVE Launcher is now available for Linux. Note that this does in no way suggest that CCP is officially supporting Linux - this is just something I've been working on as a side project, and basically comes out of the work I've done for adding Wine support to the launcher for Mac. I would use my subsciption money to make this happen.
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Koenig Yazria
Adversity. Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2016.09.05 18:05:08 -
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Hulk Miner wrote:Having only switched over to the new launcher the past 6 months from using Exefile for many years I find its really streamlined my login, who can moan over clicking 1 button to login all your characters?
Maybe i have just been lucky.
As for forgetting all your login details make sure you create another profile then switch your login to this and pin, hey presto.
You have been lucky.
It forgets my logins pretty much every day (and not just that but "hey, we don't know you, please enter a character name"). It gets really annoying reaaaallly fast. |
Cerian Alderoth
Cult of the Black Monolith
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Posted - 2016.09.05 18:07:00 -
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TY YMMD!
P.S.: Will the login to the test server (Singularity) continue to work? There is no TFA for Sisi, so I am assuming that your launcher is starting the EXEFILE ?! |
Langbaobao
Tr0pa de elite. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2016.09.05 18:12:04 -
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TBH, I've always preferred to use the exefile to launch the game since It's much less trouble and it's faster, especially for people that have multiple accounts. If you're so dead set on removing the exefile way of login, you should at least fix the launcher first so it doesn't forget logins all the time like a senile senior citizen or fix the issue with the never-expiring login tokens which is a huge security risk and which people have been pointing at for months now. Really, you guys should fix the launcher first before disabling the exefile login method. I secretly hope that you guys will lazy it up and leave the method in, just more hidden. But yeah, I guess we will see what we see... |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.09.05 18:12:17 -
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Is this part of a larger rework of session ID's and such? In other words... is a proper button that takes you to the character selection screen finally coming thanks to this?
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uninstall this game1
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2016.09.05 18:12:22 -
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I'm pretty sure this is because they want to disallow alpha account abuse in the future, so they're removing functionality and ease of play in order to fix a broken system that they want to implement.
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Astrid Farnsworth
Broke and Famous
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Posted - 2016.09.05 18:19:45 -
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Hinata' Hyuga wrote:As someone who uses ISBoxer for screen management and doesn't abuse any of the features that have been banned, I do not support this change. Managing 5 accounts is a hassle without third party software and no other third-party software come close to screen management like ISBoxer can.
I manage 5 - 15 accounts with another app and this luncher make things easier when loading all the accounts. CCP dont need to make things easy for us, runing the game with several accounts. Is here where the Third-party apps have to adapt to the new things CCP do.
I know it sound mean and rude but its the true.
"Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics."
- Gen. Robert H. Barrow, USMC (Commandant of the Marine Corps) noted in 1980**strong text**
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Hulk Miner
White Horse Incorporated
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Posted - 2016.09.05 18:21:51 -
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uninstall this game1 wrote:
I mean, if security was an issue why didn't CCP do it like 3 years ago?
I'm pretty sure this is because they want to disallow alpha account abuse in the future.
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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.09.05 18:24:02 -
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People are complaining about this breaking ISBoxer as if CCP were the ones who developed and maintained ISBoxer. If people who use ISBoxer want ISBoxer to continue working, they really need to bring it up with the developers of ISBoxer, not with CCP.
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Aky Ambraelle
Steel Fleet Black Pearl Alliance
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Posted - 2016.09.05 18:49:31 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:As part of the preparations for the launch of Clone States in November, and as part of our continuous efforts to improve account security for EVE Online, we are currently in the process of working on changes to the EVE Online client that will result in the removal of the ability to log into EVE via launching exefile.exe from the EVE\sharedcache\%servername%\bin\ folder.
This change is currently planned to be implemented on September 20th.
After this date, players will no longer be able to log in directly through the front end of the EVE Online client and will instead be required to use the launcher to log in at all times in order to improve account security and streamline the login process.
If you would like to discuss this change, you can do so in this thread.
SO, What happens when the launcher DOES'NT WORK??? HOW I can log in EVE if I cannot use the LAUNCHER??? Is there any way to fix it? OR is'nt? I do'nt have N accounts (to use with Isboxer or other third app) I am using the "normal" (aka the new) launcher to play the game. IF the launcher is bugged, HOW i can play this game? I understand that the Launcher connects to a server wich is connected to another server that manages the accounts, but the launcher is not dirrectly connected to the EVE server (THE GAME SERVER). The exefile.exe is a dirrect link to the game server... SO.... (After this date, players will no longer be able to log in directly through the front end of the EVE Online client and will instead be required to use the launcher to log in at all times) WHY I (WE players) CANNOT LOGIN DIRECTLY?????
AND another question, ARE YOU GOING TO KILL THIS AWESOME GAME??? 1. FREE TO PLAY will be a "success" = STAR WARS- THE OLD REPUBLIC is one, BUT YOU CANNOT USE the "STORY ITEMS" (you will need to pay for them..) - well..... NO EVE ONLINE story....
2. WHO IS BEHIND THOSE STUPID CHANGES????
And the most important question:
3. WHO CARES???? |
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Kate Onzo
VooDoo Warriors Legion of xXDEATHXx
0
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Posted - 2016.09.05 18:50:14 -
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Launcher (even in second incarnation, Qt-based) have some flaws:
- it starts some different https connections, and on loading generates much traffic. On cellular line near to impossible login using it
-if some of connections fail - example - no connection with update server (even if no updates), laucher fails
- it have no functionality, needed to really start client, even password saving not work |
Fossor Wintersky
Ordinus Ursorum Cautorum
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Posted - 2016.09.05 18:53:24 -
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it's a BAD gamedesign. |
Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.09.05 19:10:03 -
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I'm just wondering how to circumvent the launcher when the launcher's ****** now |
Iv d'Este
OEG Freedom Among the Stars
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Posted - 2016.09.05 19:13:19 -
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The launcher can be ba-+ged at any time, that often happened. While it will be repaired can take hours, days. This is a very very disturbing change. |
Emiko P'eng
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Posted - 2016.09.05 19:14:21 -
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As long as the 'OLD' Launcher still works I don't mind.
But if the update breaks the 'OLD' Launcher then you better finally have a 'NEW' Launcher that actually WORKS!!!!
You know like actually finds my profiles and then offers them to me so I can copy them over to my accounts.
CCP are on Launcher version 1069348.1031 and it still only offers me a default profile to copy over.
I have tried all the fixes and work-rounds and even manual searched for the weird profile file names and all I have to show in the 'NEW' Launcher is a whole pile of profiles called Default, Default_1, etc....
Currently the 'OLD' Launcher logs me in and gives me ALL of my settings for my accounts
The 'NEW' Launcher is currently an illiterate moron on profile finding
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brinelan
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Posted - 2016.09.05 19:15:01 -
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Fossor Wintersky wrote:it's a BAD gamedesign.
You should tell every other game dev since just about every mmo uses some kind of launcher. |
Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.09.05 19:20:08 -
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I'm pretty relaxed about this. The new launcher is pretty good (although I'm only running three accounts) and it will be good to close off that 2FA loophole.
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Richard Wick
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2016.09.05 19:27:35 -
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Well, this sucks.
I have 2 network interfaces on my computer. - 1st is wired lan for my local network (without internet) - 2nd is wireless connection with internet access.
I'm using tool called ForceBindIP that binds executable process to specific network interface. I use it to launching launcher and let the game update itself and then using it to launch exefile.exe directly through the wireless network with internet access.
Since logging in through exefile wouldn't be possible anymore, does someone have any suggestions? I would like to see option to select which network interface should be used, but that is probably too much to ask.
Any future suggestions? |
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
546
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Posted - 2016.09.05 19:44:17 -
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Richard Wick wrote:Well, this sucks. I have 2 network interfaces on my computer. - 1st is wired lan for my local network (without internet) - 2nd is wireless connection with internet access. - because of this and probably how Windows works, all wired connections are routed through wired interface primarly. I'm using tool called ForceBindIP that binds executable process to specific network interface. I use it to launching launcher and let the game update itself and then using it to launch exefile.exe directly through the wireless network with internet access. Since logging in through exefile wouldn't be possible anymore, does someone have any suggestions? I would like to see option to select which network interface should be used, but that is probably too much to ask. Any future suggestions? Why would anything on your LAN be advertising a (fake) route to the net? Why wouldn't simple standard internet routing ensure traffic for external IPs goes out your net connection? Something sounds set up wrong at your end. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1143
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Posted - 2016.09.05 19:46:41 -
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Koenig Yazria wrote:FearlessLittleToaster wrote:Since the launcher is functional now I can't object to this. Please though, for future reference, keep in mind that if you are looking at making major changes to how the launcher works you need to keep it at it's current level of functionality. Logging in to Eve using the old method, configuring multiple accounts to get set up, etc. etc. was just enough of a chore to stop me playing sometimes if the kid had really run me ragged. Yes, really. The current launcher makes it very easy, and I like that, so don't break it. No it is not functional. It always forgets logins. Half of the time it is not possible to login through the launcher. Edit: Personal attack removed, CCP Phantom
FWIW, mine has never forgotten my logins.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2016.09.05 20:00:28 -
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If you log into account management, there's now a button to expire all your log in tokens.
Was recently added, we just haven't messaged it yet
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MDK-1
the whispering winds of 5hit
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Posted - 2016.09.05 20:04:58 -
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ccp could write a book on how to annoy your own players |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1145
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Posted - 2016.09.05 20:54:18 -
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MDK-1 wrote:ccp could write a book on how to annoy your own players
Yeah, it would called: "How to deal with self-entitled whiners without serving jail time."
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Locke Erasmus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.09.05 21:02:05 -
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This is quote upsetting as a multiboxer to hear about, not that it's happening, but the super short notice. Several third party softwares are used to manage things and launch eve through the exefile. CCP knows people use them, and it costs them nothing to just let people know sooner that a change is coming to give those developers the chance to adapt.
So please CCP, when you're changing significant things like this, just try and actually tell people it's coming more than a couple weeks out. |
Superus Android
Zyon Corporation
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Posted - 2016.09.05 21:05:52 -
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On 2 of my friends's PCs the new launched is foobared... All I get is the window frame outline drawn by the windows API. it kinda looks like ghost of an app. The only way for me to logon is by using the exe directly. Support hasn't responded. The only thing that I can think of is that its a incompatibility with ZoneAlarm. I am not allowed to remove it though, so that's only a theory. Removing the exe login will remove an entire family from eve... |
Nisaldara Datsang
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.09.05 21:06:17 -
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About twice a week the launcher ceases to work for me, reloading it won't work, even rebooting the computer will not reinstate functionality to the launcher. Its often accompanied by a massive white screen in the window. Other times it will simply not launch clients at all. In all of these scenario's logging in via exefile.exe allows me to still play eve.
Will you guys fix the launcher properly before you are removing the only loophole allowing you to play without relying on this broken extra wall of administration in the middle? |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1145
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Posted - 2016.09.05 21:07:10 -
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Locke Erasmus wrote:This is quote upsetting as a multiboxer to hear about, not that it's happening, but the super short notice. Several third party softwares are used to manage things and launch eve through the exefile. CCP knows people use them, and it costs them nothing to just let people know sooner that a change is coming to give those developers the chance to adapt.
So please CCP, when you're changing significant things like this, just try and actually tell people it's coming more than a couple weeks out.
CCP has been telling people EXEFILE service was going to be discontinued for years. Literally years. They haven't supported that method of login in at least a year, and maybe longer. We were told several months ago that this would be ending this year once the new launcher was released.
People have have plenty of time to adapt and far longer than a couple weeks notice.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Disposable ForumToon846
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.09.05 21:11:06 -
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New launcher is broken on my system. 5 fresh Windows 7 installs and around 30 EVE installs, and it still won't work. Please don't remove exe game launching. |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1651
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Posted - 2016.09.05 21:16:32 -
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MDK-1 wrote:ccp could write a book on how to annoy your own players
CCP could write a book on dealing with the most annoying and grossly entitled customers I've ever seen.
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FearlessLittleToaster
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
126
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Posted - 2016.09.05 21:20:13 -
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For me the launcher has been rock solid stable for months. No forgotten profiles, easy one-buttan login for four accounts, no issues updating at all. Apparently my situation is far from universal though. If I had to guess a lot of people were probably having launcher issues but then shrugging and using the workaround. Now that the workaround is going away all the bugs are swarming out of the woodwork...
So, CCP, just a suggestion: Delay this change a bit, announce it more widely, and them do an aggressive push to find out why the launcher is giving some users problems. If you guys had done this change back when the 'old' launcher was around I would have been up in arms too, and the sheer *effort* of putting in 15 minutes of busywork fixing things so I could play every time would have probably made me unsub. |
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Cerian Alderoth
Cult of the Black Monolith
31
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Posted - 2016.09.05 21:29:59 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:MDK-1 wrote:ccp could write a book on how to annoy your own players CCP could write a book on dealing with the most annoying and grossly entitled customers I've ever seen. Fair point.
However, a newbro asked me for help because the Launcher wouldn't install the game. We reinstalled the game, tried the offline installer first, reinstalled the launcher ... nothing worked so far: The launcher complains about access rights to its own installation folder (which we even manually reset to full access for everyone, user, system, and guest) and fails to start the game.
The newbro contacted CCP some six weeks ago and still hasn't gotten a reply from support... He probably won't return to this NPE.
*THIS* is how bad the new launcher actually is for some people. |
MDK-1
the whispering winds of 5hit
0
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Posted - 2016.09.05 22:11:18 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:MDK-1 wrote:ccp could write a book on how to annoy your own players CCP could write a book on dealing with the most annoying and grossly entitled customers I've ever seen.
Self-entitled =/= having an opinion. Blow yourself. |
Miss 'Assassination' Cayman
Best Kept Frozen. LowSechnaya Sholupen
209
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Posted - 2016.09.05 22:23:01 -
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If the launcher worked reliably I wouldn't care, but it still stops working and I have to use the exefile at least every 10 days or so. If that reliability isn't improved this is going to be a very annoying change. |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1652
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Posted - 2016.09.05 22:27:44 -
[54] - Quote
MDK-1 wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:MDK-1 wrote:ccp could write a book on how to annoy your own players CCP could write a book on dealing with the most annoying and grossly entitled customers I've ever seen. Self-entitled =/= having an opinion. Blow yourself.
Would if I could.
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Keebler Wizard
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2016.09.05 22:28:18 -
[55] - Quote
You guys must have some jacked up network/computer configurations.
My launcher has worked the first time, and every time. Only things that have kept me out is the odd "web server down but not game server" and it may have forgotten my stuff ONCE, which was fixed by a relaunch.
Win7 here, happy to have increased security, and hopefuly someday, being able to switch characters without reloading the client. |
Torr Victros
EVE University Ivy League
2
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Posted - 2016.09.05 22:36:02 -
[56] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote: we are currently in the process of working on changes to the EVE Online client that will result in the removal of the ability to log into EVE via launching exefile.exe from the EVE\sharedcache\%servername%\bin\ folder.
I find the new launcher has made it easier to run my multiple accounts, manage profiles, and access the test servers, so this change really won't be a problem except for that my corporation uses Mumble.
To make the Mumble overlay work on Windows 10, it is often necessary to add the exefile.exe's path in the shared cache to Mumble's white list. Without this, the overlay just won't work.
What will the new file and path be? I, and a lot of my corp-mates, will need to know this to adjust our Mumble overlay settings.
Thanks. |
Agent Unknown
Adversity. Psychotic Tendencies.
53
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Posted - 2016.09.05 22:56:23 -
[57] - Quote
Keebler Wizard wrote:You guys must have some jacked up network/computer configurations.
My launcher has worked the first time, and every time. Only things that have kept me out is the odd "web server down but not game server" and it may have forgotten my stuff ONCE, which was fixed by a relaunch.
Win7 here, happy to have increased security, and hopefuly someday, being able to switch characters without reloading the client.
Ditto, no issues here either. I also leave the launcher open after using it once (so I get all the patches as they come through) and have never had problems aside from it "forgetting" accounts which resolves itself by logging into one of them again.
Afaik, it uses webkit (aka Chrome) so it should work across all PCs unless there's some weird setup going on. All it needs is Internet access! |
Nakaara Adahsa
Deep Void Enterprises
23
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Posted - 2016.09.05 23:03:29 -
[58] - Quote
Please do not disable login via Exefile until you fix the login problems via the launcher. The launcher sometimes fails to complete login, and restarting it usually does not cure this problem. Direct login via the exefile is the only reliable solution in thes cases.
I first encountered this problem during the first month of playing the game. I reported this as a bug, but you ignored my report and it was eventually deleted. Somehow I imagine other players have received a similar response.
If you proceed with this change in security without fixing the launcher problems, don't be surprised if you suddenly start to lose more players. You only have yourselves to blame for ignoring our error reports and warnings. |
Teinyhr
Ourumur
641
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Posted - 2016.09.05 23:04:30 -
[59] - Quote
Seeing as the launcher is somekind of mini-browser in itself, and IIRC has been infected with malware before, I have to seriously wonder and doubt how does this enhance account security in any way?
P.S. I have not used the client login system since how many years has it been we've had the launcher, just saying, I'm not buying the "improved security" thing at all. |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
900
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Posted - 2016.09.05 23:04:36 -
[60] - Quote
I gave up on trying to get the new launcher to work and just started using the exefile.exe because I never heard back from CS.
Well, nice knowing you folks.
"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves."
The Trial - Franz Kafka-á
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Tappits
north eastern swat Pandemic Legion
211
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Posted - 2016.09.05 23:32:12 -
[61] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:streamline the login process
There is nothing more streamline than using the .exe And there is no security you can add that stops dumb people using password1 or using crap isk buying websites and getting hacked. |
Jynx Archipedigo
Tripoint Mercetile Rimrunners
0
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Posted - 2016.09.06 00:44:58 -
[62] - Quote
Just because the Launcher (ie game updater/patcher in other products) is working now does not mean it will continue to do so, and requiring it just adds aggravation.
Many people have stated thus far that this is a stealth nerf to using multi-boxing software, I would agree. Even if that wasn't the original intent, from a reason person's view it is more nerf than security. I would venture to say a naive and lazy attempt at that.
It is understandable to ensure a client logged in is up to date so data disparity bugs and exploits are reduced to negligible, However the overhead, no matter how much you tweak or refactor the code in the launcher is gonna give even single client players a hit on the lower end machines.
And to be perfectly candid, if any entertainment option Eve Online or otherwise take security (or mandates in the premise of security) to the extent it is more annoying to login into the game than logging into financial, government, or medical infrastructure. a game becomes unplayable for average people. I already refuse to play games using Glyph's system.
I don't care how great a game is, if it is too annoying to access, I won't even play it for free let alone pay $$$ for multiple accounts. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1733
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Posted - 2016.09.06 01:11:04 -
[63] - Quote
CCP has no obligation to develop their game to somehow fit the needs of some third party software that they have no influence on.
Personally I've never had any issue with the new launcher, it's worked perfectly for me for almost 6 months. I mean those of you who have had issues with it, have you ever even thought it might be a problem on your end?
Within IT support (my profession) 9 times out of 10 when an issue a customer arises it's going to be a local issue as we have safeguards and monitoring tools to tell us when it's affecting a large percentage of our users.
Now I'm not saying CCP shouldn't help you with your individual issues and their customer service of late has been under fire (though I'm not sure, last ticket I submitted was answered and resolved within 24 hours) but you should try and exhaust all possibilities instead of just doing some real simple **** like reinstall Windows and then point the finger when that magically doesn't fix the problem. |
Ria Nieyli
45998
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Posted - 2016.09.06 01:58:50 -
[64] - Quote
Does the new launcher have a 'shut down after login' option yet?
"slang" is shortened language for "shortened language"
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Nakaara Adahsa
Deep Void Enterprises
23
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Posted - 2016.09.06 02:13:50 -
[65] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Personally I've never had any issue with the new launcher, it's worked perfectly for me for almost 6 months. I mean those of you who have had issues with it, have you ever even thought it might be a problem on your end?
Within IT support (my profession) 9 times out of 10 when an issue a customer arises it's going to be a local issue as we have safeguards and monitoring tools to tell us when it's affecting a large percentage of our users.
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Client authorization issues across a network are much more likely to be a problem in either the client or server software specific to the application unless other unrelated programs are affected as well. CCP controls most of the software involved at both ends. That the problems may be intermittent or perhaps only affecting a small number of users doesn't mean CCP isn't at fault. Software errors can manifest in many ways.
Unfortunately, CCP has a long history of ignoring customer complaints. This looks like it will be another case of it. However, most players won't pay for a game they repeatedly can't access. CCP may finally screw a lot of folks over in a way that can't be ignored. |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles Spectre Fleet Alliance
519
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Posted - 2016.09.06 02:28:06 -
[66] - Quote
The new launcher works fine on linux. In fact it works better than .exe. Keeping many ways to launch the game is *harder* on the devs not easier.
AKA the scientist.
Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good.
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Tiberizzle
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
129
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Posted - 2016.09.06 03:36:22 -
[67] - Quote
Why can't we just implement 2FA in the game client?
I don't use ISBoxer but I do use Linux, and having spoken to multiple other Linux users, Window placement and input focus are very broken for many people without the wine virtual desktop wrapper. As in, literally unplayable.
I am trying right now to discover the path forward for Linux users with these issues.
That path would likely be starting the launcher itself in a wine virtual desktop -- except you can't start multiple launchers, so you have to tediously serialize logons.
Then, the option to automatically close the launcher after starting a client seems to have been removed or may never have existed, and honestly I'm not even sure how to "Alt-Tab" within the wine virtual desktop (as opposed to the native desktop) to close the background launcher after the game starts, but even if you could this would be so incredibly tedious that I find it hard to imagine that this circus act being required to log on every time wouldn't affect frequency of play.
This is very poorly conceived and the feedback at every step from the exefile crowd has been "No don't" but here we are rushing headlong into it. Why am I not surprised? |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1733
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Posted - 2016.09.06 03:53:51 -
[68] - Quote
Nakaara Adahsa wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Personally I've never had any issue with the new launcher, it's worked perfectly for me for almost 6 months. I mean those of you who have had issues with it, have you ever even thought it might be a problem on your end?
Within IT support (my profession) 9 times out of 10 when an issue a customer arises it's going to be a local issue as we have safeguards and monitoring tools to tell us when it's affecting a large percentage of our users.
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Client authorization issues across a network are much more likely to be a problem in either the client or server software specific to the application unless other unrelated programs are affected as well. CCP controls most of the software involved at both ends. That the problems may be intermittent or perhaps only affecting a small number of users doesn't mean CCP isn't at fault. Software errors can manifest in many ways. Unfortunately, CCP has a long history of ignoring customer complaints. This looks like it will be another case of it. However, most players won't pay for a game they repeatedly can't access. CCP may finally screw a lot of folks over in a way that can't be ignored.
Unlikely, client authorisation can be logged so CCP either don't care (unlikely as that's counter-intuitive to making money) or it's not an issue.
As all of the complaints in this thread have been about opening the launcher or losing profiles I'm going to go with the latter.
Also your comment about them controlling software in both ends: utter bollocks.
CCP only control one thing and that's the launcher, the client machine can literally be anything. You can't expect everything to be supported, that's just not economically viable.
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Primary This Rifter
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
1206
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Posted - 2016.09.06 04:13:04 -
[69] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:If you log into account management, there's now a button to expire all your log in tokens. Was recently added, we just haven't messaged it yet Login tokens should be invalidated whenever the account password is changed or 2FA is added. |
Primary This Rifter
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
1206
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Posted - 2016.09.06 04:16:56 -
[70] - Quote
Also god damn there's a ton of PEBKAC in this thread. |
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Oxigun
Halliburton Heavy Industries IT'S ONLY PIXELS
30
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Posted - 2016.09.06 05:25:41 -
[71] - Quote
I have been using the new launcher for a while now and I have to say it is (mostly) functional. It has forgotten my accounts a couple of times but overall it has been very stable. The use of the various profiles makes it very usable and I am happy with it.
Before the .exe option is removed however, I would like to suggest that either CCP or some of our enterprising third party developers can help develop an isboxer type window management system. The benefit that ISBoxer offers for multiboxers is:
1) Launch several clients at once (Launcher can do this) 2) Enter login information (Launcher can do this) 3) Resize and reposition windows (Launcher can only set resolution, not remember window placement) 4) Remove borders and lock window position (Launcher cannot do this)
I have yet to find a third party application that can do 3 & 4 other than Isboxer. I'm happy to try alternatives and I hope CCP will reconsider the Sept. 20th patch date since the reasoning provided appears arbitrary.
Oxi |
Geronimo McVain
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc
201
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Posted - 2016.09.06 05:45:37 -
[72] - Quote
Oxigun wrote:
I have yet to find a third party application that can do 3 & 4 other than Isboxer. I'm happy to try alternatives and I hope CCP will reconsider the Sept. 20th patch date since the reasoning provided appears arbitrary.
Oxi
Can't be that hard to make a ISBoxer clone which sticks to the rules of CCP. Multi boxing is more the rule then the exception in Eve so why not go with it? IMHO CCP should lift the ban on just displaying some UI elements. To be true the grafic has no influence on the gameplay, Eve is Exel in space so why not admit it? And without multiplexing someone using multiple accounts will always be slower then 2 real players. |
Craven More
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2016.09.06 05:46:00 -
[73] - Quote
As already stated by multiple people, It has happened on at least 3 or more occassions in the last 6 months alone, where the only way to login to the game was to use the exe file, whilst repairs to the launcher took place & took hours to complete. So, Can CCP please advise what the intended work around will be for when the launcher fails. If there will be no alternate way to log in, as a paying customer, I would demand a refund or compensation of some kind, just as I would when buying other RL goods or services. If CCP was happy to do that when those circumstances arise, then I would not have any objection, but I would like to see CCP stating that they would do so in writing, before these changes take effect.
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MDK-1
the whispering winds of 5hit
2
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Posted - 2016.09.06 06:04:43 -
[74] - Quote
ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT
Allow Exefile Launch (x) Disallow Exefile Launch ( )
Disclaimer: Even though you have been playing this game for years without being injected or hacked we wish to dumb down your experience even more than usual, please tick the next box to show you are a grumpy old fart and don't want to change what works (x)
Slight sarcasm but you get the picture.... |
Davina Sienar
The Misinterpretation of Silence
116
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Posted - 2016.09.06 06:34:18 -
[75] - Quote
MDK-1 wrote:ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT
Allow Exefile Launch (x) Disallow Exefile Launch ( )
Disclaimer: Even though you have been playing this game for years without being injected or hacked we wish to dumb down your experience even more than usual, please tick the next box to show you are a grumpy old fart and don't want to change what works (x)
Slight sarcasm but you get the picture....
100% THIS |
Davina Sienar
The Misinterpretation of Silence
116
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Posted - 2016.09.06 06:36:40 -
[76] - Quote
"use the launcher to log in at all times in order to improve account security and streamline the login process.22
Aka forced to watch Adds and Facebook Icons
putting a googlescript thingy and security in 1 sentence is a joke too |
HonkiPonki
PvPers Corp Project.Mayhem.
2
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Posted - 2016.09.06 08:20:22 -
[77] - Quote
Davina Sienar wrote:"use the launcher to log in at all times in order to improve account security and streamline the login process.22
Aka forced to watch Adds and Facebook Icons
putting a googlescript thingy and security in 1 sentence is a joke too
Pretty much agree there, CCPLZ explain how adding a shittn of scrips and Http connections *which btw don work on my win7 cause Certificate issues* Ads, Facebookbullshit and so on BEVORE playing the game , How in the living hell does that increase MY SECURITY ?
tldr: new launcher just throws up anormous ammounts of certificate issues and doesnt work, if exe login wont run, no way to play the game, sad day .) gg ccp |
Tanalasin Saraki
Aesir Corp. Who Dares Wins.
0
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Posted - 2016.09.06 08:39:25 -
[78] - Quote
I can't honestly see why people are still having issues with the launcher, I have it installed on both my main PC and my partners laptop, both of which are Win10, and it works fine. There was a couple of issues just after CCP launched it that it would occasionally forget login details, but how difficult is it honestly to re-enter your username and password???
All I can say is thank god we might get rid of the multiboxers, nothings worse than running into a fleet of 20 characters being run by 4 or 5 players. Yes, by all means have 3 accounts running at a time, on three separate screens via one PC, but give the rest of us players a chance. Some of us play this game for the enjoyment and social interaction between players, not all of us are greifers, that just Wardec for fun because we can and have the money to play like that.
People have known about this change for a year or more, so get a grip people and stop whining just because you cant run through third-party or via the original log-in screen anymore. |
Lando Tarsadan
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2016.09.06 08:52:37 -
[79] - Quote
IMHO the Launcher is working fine. I have yet to have a problem with it. both logging in multible accounts and logging into test servers works like a charm. The profile thing is a pretty good feature to make changes to only one account or to several or getting some settings to the test server and back. all in all id say it does it job really well. I have yet to have a problem with it since my return 4 month ago or there about. |
Tenko Sanka
Startruck 247
0
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Posted - 2016.09.06 09:37:34 -
[80] - Quote
I use XP and have five accounts all subbed! I still use the old login method via Exe.exe and cannot download or use the new login method. How will I be able to login or do I just give up and not play until I buy a new PC? A bit stupid to have to pay -ú750 to play a -ú5 game imho. |
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1148
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Posted - 2016.09.06 10:03:27 -
[81] - Quote
Ria Nieyli wrote:Does the new launcher have a 'shut down after login' option yet?
Actually, I thought it did, but I'm not sure, I just leave mine running after logging in my five accounts.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3171
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Posted - 2016.09.06 10:05:37 -
[82] - Quote
Chribba wrote:for those that are stlil using the "old" launcher, is that one going to be killed suddenly too? (I know it's not "supported" but it can still be used) Yes, it will stop working at some point in the near/medium future without any further warning.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
15539
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Posted - 2016.09.06 10:48:34 -
[83] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:Chribba wrote:for those that are stlil using the "old" launcher, is that one going to be killed suddenly too? (I know it's not "supported" but it can still be used) Yes, it will stop working at some point in the near/medium future without any further warning. Will the "handshake" be kept even after the 20th? (Pretty pls keep it!)
/c
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University Minmatar Republic
19880
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Posted - 2016.09.06 11:12:23 -
[84] - Quote
Dang, I liked waiting for the countdown-clock till the server was back up. |
Ded Akara
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2016.09.06 11:15:00 -
[85] - Quote
Another nail in the coffin for EVE. Wonder how many players EVE loses this time. Won't be long before I'm one of them. Screw the launcher for logging in multiple accounts, it sucks.
Does anyone have a good method to log in multiple accounts quickly using the crappy launcher? |
Hulk Miner
White Horse Incorporated
65
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Posted - 2016.09.06 11:21:55 -
[86] - Quote
Ded Akara wrote:Another nail in the coffin for EVE. Wonder how many players EVE loses this time. Won't be long before I'm one of them. Screw the launcher for logging in multiple accounts, it sucks.
Does anyone have a good method to log in multiple accounts quickly using the launcher?
Add all your accounts to the launcher and move the slider at the side enabling them to log in together then press play selected
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Ded Akara
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2016.09.06 11:26:04 -
[87] - Quote
Hulk Miner wrote:Ded Akara wrote:Another nail in the coffin for EVE. Wonder how many players EVE loses this time. Won't be long before I'm one of them. Screw the launcher for logging in multiple accounts, it sucks.
Does anyone have a good method to log in multiple accounts quickly using the launcher? Add all your accounts to the launcher and move the slider at the side enabling them to log in together then press play selected
Thanks I will check it out. |
Tanalasin Saraki
Aesir Corp. Who Dares Wins.
0
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Posted - 2016.09.06 11:46:33 -
[88] - Quote
HonkiPonki wrote:
tldr: new launcher just throws up anormous ammounts of certificate issues and doesnt work, if exe login wont run, no way to play the game, sad day .) gg ccp
If you launch the launcher, then click on the EVE symbol at the top, go to Settings, you then have an option to ignore certification errors, you can even run clients with DX9 if you so wish.
Don't people actually explore settings nowadays? Or do they just ***** and moan because they can't get it their own way? Even my 3y/o knows that settings are there for a reason, and that's to set the game/launcher up to how you need it to run. |
Mai Hantaka
Dangerous Dutch Carebears Apocalypse Now.
4
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Posted - 2016.09.06 11:50:58 -
[89] - Quote
I have used the exe-file login for a very long time and avoided the launcher as much as possible. But knowing this day would come I checked out the launcher two months ago. And now that CCP seems have either fixed (or suppressed) the endless certificate error warnings I must say that the launcher is sure convenient. Enter password once and be able to log on all accounts and switch easily too.
Definitely not going to bitter-vet about this change. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3171
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Posted - 2016.09.06 11:56:22 -
[90] - Quote
Chribba wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Chribba wrote:for those that are stlil using the "old" launcher, is that one going to be killed suddenly too? (I know it's not "supported" but it can still be used) Yes, it will stop working at some point in the near/medium future without any further warning. Will the "handshake" be kept even after the 20th? (Pretty pls keep it!) Yes.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
18008
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Posted - 2016.09.06 11:58:44 -
[91] - Quote
Ded Akara wrote:WHY oh why! Wonder how many players EVE loses this time. Screw the launcher for logging in multiple accounts, it sucks.
Does anyone have a good method to log in multiple accounts quickly using the launcher?
Click the little triangle by each account.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3171
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Posted - 2016.09.06 11:59:20 -
[92] - Quote
Tenko Sanka wrote:I use XP and have five accounts all subbed! I still use the old login method via Exe.exe and cannot download or use the new login method. How will I be able to login or do I just give up and not play until I buy a new PC? A bit stupid to have to pay -ú750 to play a -ú5 game imho. If you are using Windows XP then you are also using the old Launcher to patch, correct? Unfortunately, neither Windows XP nor the old Launcher are supported anymore. The minimum system requirements were updated a while back to Windows 7 and above and the old Launcher has been deprecated.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
54
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Posted - 2016.09.06 12:01:01 -
[93] - Quote
If CCP can fix launcher issues when 20th of September comes, then it will be fine to let go of the exefile. This is a fairly big "if" though...
My disagreements with the Eve launcher (which is the part I will also post in the launcher specific feedback topic, don't worry) and suggestions for improvement are:
- Every now and then (yet rarely) forgetting my accounts / checking for character name.
- Almost always forgetting every account except the first account whenever I log in to sisi with only one and the same account.
- The lack of auto-patching. Why do I even have to close the launcher again to reboot it in order to apply a patch? This is facepalmworthy.
- Sometimes after a downtime I have to reboot the launcher even if there was no patch applied, as I'm getting a "unable to establish connection" on the game screen. Intriguing.
- The fact it requires CPU resources and memory far beyond what I would think any launcher product of similar size, look and functionality should have. A few examples: Planetside 2 Launcher: takes about a third of memory, and uses so little CPU it doesn't even hiccup into the 01% category after it has been launched. Warframe: uses about half the memory but given the animated nature of it, CPU usage hovers around 01% to 02%. Champions online: Never saw it above 0% CPU when idle, and also takes only a third of the memory footprint. These launchers also never spike when idle (I kept programs running to monitor CPU usage). The highest spike I ever encountered on Eve launcer: Thirteen Percent. I could name you more launchers, but they all fall under the same category. Less CPU usage, less memory usage.
- I don't get a notification for a fresh news entry nor anything else. It just sits there and is silent.
- It's not the slowest launcher but definitely also not the fastest. Exefile has always been the fastest, no matter which iteration of the launcher we're talking about.
- The launcher does not provide any faster way of relogging characters so there is no reason to use it speed-wise over the "log-off" function of the eve client.
Other than that, I had not the misfortune of other pilots like endless patching, reinstalling or launcher crashing.
In regards to earlier posted and unaddressed issues, I'd like to second what Tanalasin Saraki said: Check the "ignore certificate errors" and see if that fixes the problem. I also doubt this is good design in terms of a workaround. Certificates are there for a reason. Still, I doubt the entire list here will be solved with this simple check:
Koenig Yazria: No it is not functional. It always forgets logins. Half of the time it is not possible to login through the launcher.
Porcelina: The launcher is broken. Why do you think so many people need to use the exefile directly? Seriously... Do you even play your own game? Also, what about all of the legitimate players with multiple accounts? You have the least multbox friendly game in existence. Stop it now. Fix it - don't break it for everyone.
Elizabeth Norn: Will third party launchers such as Rapid Light EVE Launcher continue to work?
Cerian Alderoth: The EVE Online Launcher - Suggestion thread. The fact that the Launcher still won't produce proper error messages, sometimes fails to update or freezes after the update (Twitch incident), uses up to several hundred Megabytes of system memory, and spikes CPU usage every ten seconds to do *nothing* is bad code.
Daneel Trevize: CCP, can we first please get a resolution to the security issues of non-expiring login/refresh tokens?
Miss 'Assassination' Cayman: If the launcher worked reliably I wouldn't care, but it still stops working and I have to use the exefile at least every 10 days or so. If that reliability isn't improved this is going to be a very annoying change.
Torr Victros: To make the Mumble overlay work on Windows 10, it is often necessary to add the exefile.exe's path in the shared cache to Mumble's white list. Without this, the overlay just won't work. What will the new file and path be? I, and a lot of my corp-mates, will need to know this to adjust our Mumble overlay settings.
Nakaara Adahsa: The launcher sometimes fails to complete login, and restarting it usually does not cure this problem. Direct login via the exefile is the only reliable solution in thes cases.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
15542
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Posted - 2016.09.06 12:05:45 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Chribba wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Chribba wrote:for those that are stlil using the "old" launcher, is that one going to be killed suddenly too? (I know it's not "supported" but it can still be used) Yes, it will stop working at some point in the near/medium future without any further warning. Will the "handshake" be kept even after the 20th? (Pretty pls keep it!) Yes. <333 Thank you
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Jynx Archipedigo
Tripoint Mercetile Rimrunners
0
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Posted - 2016.09.06 12:06:23 -
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I had mentioned this thread and the forthcoming change in a channel I frequent in game and a friend offered the idea maybe this was to limit the number of Alpha grade clones a person could play. Which to be honest would make sense, however people can and will work around it, actually probably on an order of magnitude faster than CCP could fix a problem arising from the launcher giving fits. Then there is the question will it eventually be required that the launcher stay open so the instanced client(s) run.
The new launcher hasn't given me many problems actually I will admit it is nice for what it is. But I don't run Win10 or Linux(at least for gaming) But if there is one thing in software that is certain, every modification to code has the potential to break the app and every dependency is a multiplier to that chance. Considering as RAM prices have dropped to a pittance over the years programmers have gotten increasingly sloppy with their code and game developers are the worse.
Even though it won't actually affect me short term, I know that it could in the long term there will be an issue. I also know from past experience CCP doesn't take a hint till things go way south, Last time I said something it was over an expansion and I left till it was reversed around 4 to 6 months later and I know I wasn't the only one. So hey thanks CCP for the warning, I've done my due diligence to speak for those who feel the same but couldn't be bothered to post. Just means no long term plans and have to looking for a white fedora so I can do my best MJ impression and moon walk away taking my $$$ elsewhere permanently, maybe buy a couple nice 3D printers. I hope I get a few months, I do enjoy the game and some of the people.
My 2 isk worth anyway Maybe year from now I can pull my Rifter hub out of collectors box and laugh |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
54
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Posted - 2016.09.06 12:08:16 -
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Elenahina wrote:CCP has been telling people EXEFILE service was going to be discontinued for years. People have have plenty of time to adapt and far longer than a couple weeks notice. Only because they still disagree, doesn't mean everyone was oblivious of the change. For some, especially on older machines (thankfully I'm spared of this problem now), what the launcher does and how it behaves is truly an issue, and booting through exefile is the only viable way of getting into the game. CCP calling for this chance since years and still not being able to get it right doesn't instil the greatest of faith. Especially if the launcher remains wanting after the exefile and old launcher login methods are gone.
Agent Unknown wrote:Ditto, no issues here either. I also leave the launcher open after using it once (so I get all the patches as they come through) How did you achieve this marvel? Because mine simply won't patch without a relaunch. Mind you, I don't have the launcher crash on me, and the times it forgets my things are very rare (or very reproducible in the case of sisi). But for all the love given to the New Eden Wormhole, I cannot make it patch on its own without a relaunch. Yes I launch it with admin rights, yes I'm root admin on my computer and so on and so forth.
Jynx Archipedigo wrote:Just because the Launcher (ie game updater/patcher in other products) is working now does not mean it will continue to do so, and requiring it just adds aggravation. I would agree if I knew of other launchers having such severe problems as the Eve version. I just don't know any. Which is surprising. I mean I loath the idea of launchers spreading left and right for years now. But for all that's worth, the only issues I ever had with a game launcher was Eve's one. All others kept running for years without a single problem.
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Burning Furry
MASS A DEATH
35
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Posted - 2016.09.06 12:09:00 -
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Not very happy with this.
The launcher crashes my PC. It gets to precisely 83% on the patch and then my pc crashes all the way to boot screen. This was/is my only way to play Eve on the pc i use most often..... |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
6168
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Posted - 2016.09.06 12:17:17 -
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Tenko Sanka wrote:I use XP and have five accounts all subbed! I still use the old login method via Exe.exe and cannot download or use the new login method. How will I be able to login or do I just give up and not play until I buy a new PC? A bit stupid to have to pay -ú750 to play a -ú5 game imho.
XP is no longer a supported OS for Eve.
While it still works, CCP have said that it will change in future. (basically, they no longer test with it. If it stops working, it's not something they're going to do anything about.)
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Ded Akara
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2016.09.06 12:21:17 -
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Hulk Miner wrote:Ded Akara wrote:Another nail in the coffin for EVE. Wonder how many players EVE loses this time. Won't be long before I'm one of them. Screw the launcher for logging in multiple accounts, it sucks.
Does anyone have a good method to log in multiple accounts quickly using the launcher? Add all your accounts to the launcher and move the slider at the side enabling them to log in together then press play selected
What does the pin/unpin feature do? And what about that toggle to the left of the account name "Add this account to launch bundle" Can someone explain the difference between these two features? |
Burmistrov
No corp 100500
12
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Posted - 2016.09.06 12:23:35 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:If you are using Windows XP then you are also using the old Launcher to patch, correct? Unfortunately, neither Windows XP nor the old Launcher are supported anymore. The minimum system requirements were updated a while back to Windows 7 and above and the old Launcher has been deprecated. old launcher dont need for use EVE on winXP. New too useless. Copy-paste metod tq/ folder from win8.1 for update work fine :)
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Tanalasin Saraki
Aesir Corp. Who Dares Wins.
1
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Posted - 2016.09.06 12:24:39 -
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Ded Akara wrote:Hulk Miner wrote:Ded Akara wrote:Another nail in the coffin for EVE. Wonder how many players EVE loses this time. Won't be long before I'm one of them. Screw the launcher for logging in multiple accounts, it sucks.
Does anyone have a good method to log in multiple accounts quickly using the launcher? Add all your accounts to the launcher and move the slider at the side enabling them to log in together then press play selected What does the pin/unpin feature do? And what about that toggle to the left of the account name "Add this account to launch bundle" Can someone explain the difference between these two features?
Pin is so that it remembers the info you enter, this is handy if either more than one person plays EVE on one system, or if you run multiple characters.
The little toggle/slider is so that it will launch multiple accounts at one time, if you however only want one to launch then you only have to have one slider blue.
Aesir Corp HR Officer - Keeping the CEO, XO and Corp updated with news.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
6169
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Posted - 2016.09.06 12:25:31 -
[102] - Quote
Ded Akara wrote:What does the pin/unpin feature do? And what about that toggle to the left of the account name "Add this account to launch bundle" Can someone explain the difference between these two features?
Pinning is to remember a login. Pin it, and it'll be part of that 'bundle' of accounts which the launcher knows about. (I log into the launcher with Account A. I pin accounts B and C. Whenever I start the launcher, and log into it with Account A, accounts B and C show up. This is separate from logging into the game)
launch bundles are for when you tell the launcher to start multiple clients up.
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Pippan
13. Enigma Project
4
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Posted - 2016.09.06 12:32:28 -
[103] - Quote
So those of us who uses IsBoxer for borderless window management is told to go fuckle ourselves? :( |
Tappits
north eastern swat Pandemic Legion
211
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Posted - 2016.09.06 12:51:09 -
[104] - Quote
Tenko Sanka wrote:I use XP and have five accounts all subbed! I still use the old login method via Exe.exe and cannot download or use the new login method. How will I be able to login or do I just give up and not play until I buy a new PC? A bit stupid to have to pay -ú750 to play a -ú5 game imho.
It costs -ú40 (you can really buy a legal copy for this much) to buy a copy of win 7. You are also paying ~-ú50 a month on eve not -ú5 You are also using a 15 year old OS and should prob think about not doing so anymore. If your PC is so old it does not meat the spec for running win7/the game maybe you should not sub 5 accounts for a few months and bring yourself into 2016. |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
54
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Posted - 2016.09.06 12:56:32 -
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Tappits wrote:You are also paying ~-ú50 a month on eve not -ú5 You're insinuating he is using real money to subscribe the accounts, and not Plex Other than that, I already wrote him about windows 7 being cheap. I haven't seen a computer to date who wouldn't run Win 7 properly when it could smoothly run winXP.
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Warlord Balrog
303rd X-SOLDIER
4
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Posted - 2016.09.06 13:17:17 -
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Torr Victros wrote:CCP Falcon wrote: we are currently in the process of working on changes to the EVE Online client that will result in the removal of the ability to log into EVE via launching exefile.exe from the EVE\sharedcache\%servername%\bin\ folder.
I find the new launcher has made it easier to run my multiple accounts, manage profiles, and access the test servers, so this change really won't be a problem except for that my corporation uses Mumble. To make the Mumble overlay work on Windows 10, it is often necessary to add the exefile.exe's path in the shared cache to Mumble's white list. Without this, the overlay just won't work. What will the new file and path be? I, and a lot of my corp-mates, will need to know this to adjust our Mumble overlay settings. Thanks.
If I had to guess I would say they will simply remove the login and password prompts, as well as the button from the client. The launcher simply forks the data through memory to the process. Think of it like this:
I want to taste that apple, but I cannot bend -- [I want to login, but exefile.exe doesn't have the prompt] Extend arm and grab apple -- [type user & pass into launcher] Move it to your face -- [launcher executes exefile.exe and tells process #3810 your name is blah and your password is whatever] Bite -- [Select which character you want to login to]
/EDIT: You shouldn't have to change anything...I could be wrong, however I'm sure it'll be simply finding what process is being used "CTRL-ALT-DEL -> Task manager" and find out what file is running for each client :) When in doubt, google!
Drazz Caylen wrote:Tappits wrote:You are also paying ~-ú50 a month on eve not -ú5 You're insinuating he is using real money to subscribe the accounts, and not Plex Other than that, I already wrote him about windows 7 being cheap. I haven't seen a computer to date who wouldn't run Win 7 properly when it could smoothly run winXP.
Agreed, I remember a few times friends kept telling me I couldn't run XP or 2k on a 486, but I did. People grossly exaggerate minimum specs because if they don't, people act like 3 year olds who haven't eatten yet when something goes wrong and it's clearly not whose fault they think...with that being said:
Launcher: 1069348.1031 fails to keep login data. It doesn't constantly ask me for character names. And it doesn't matter if I reinstall, clear cache, delete files manually and run the launcher installer fresh from the website. The launcher is broken, period. And not on Winblows 10, it's also broken on any other OS. So it isn't OS-based errors, and it isn't user error...it's broken launcher code. But face it, every game has bugs, and every game yet to be released will too. It's evolution and nature, as we are only human -- we make mistakes. |
Disposable ForumToon846
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2016.09.06 13:26:51 -
[107] - Quote
Steve Ronuken wrote:Ded Akara wrote:What does the pin/unpin feature do? And what about that toggle to the left of the account name "Add this account to launch bundle" Can someone explain the difference between these two features? Pinning is to remember a login. Pin it, and it'll be part of that 'bundle' of accounts which the launcher knows about. (I log into the launcher with Account A. I pin accounts B and C. Whenever I start the launcher, and log into it with Account A, accounts B and C show up. This is separate from logging into the game) launch bundles are for when you tell the launcher to start multiple clients up.
That'd be nice if it didn't forget all my logins, pin or no pin. |
Ded Akara
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2016.09.06 14:32:33 -
[108] - Quote
Is there any way to create a login order for 'play selected'? Other than deleting accounts and adding them in order I mean. So if for example I wanted to log in a specific group of characters, I just load that group and hit play? |
Warlord Balrog
303rd X-SOLDIER
4
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Posted - 2016.09.06 14:36:21 -
[109] - Quote
Ded Akara wrote:Is there any way to create a login order for 'play selected'? Other than deleting accounts and adding them in order I mean. So if for example I wanted to log in a specific group of characters, I just load that group and hit play?
Currently, the only sure-fire way to login to multiple accounts in a specified order is use the "play" icons near the accounts and waiting up to 5 seconds between clicks. This way you control the order each and every time...albeit it makes multi launch feature of the launcher moot.
Short answer is no. |
Makkuro Tatsu
Spontaneous Massive Existence Failure
73
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Posted - 2016.09.06 14:44:30 -
[110] - Quote
Warlord Balrog wrote:Ded Akara wrote:Is there any way to create a login order for 'play selected'? Other than deleting accounts and adding them in order I mean. So if for example I wanted to log in a specific group of characters, I just load that group and hit play? Currently, the only sure-fire way to login to multiple accounts in a specified order is use the "play" icons near the accounts and waiting up to 5 seconds between clicks. This way you control the order each and every time...albeit it makes multi launch feature of the launcher moot. Short answer is no. Long answer is yes. Accounts can be ordered in the launcher using drag-and-drop. Logins happen from top to bottom. |
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Warlord Balrog
303rd X-SOLDIER
5
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Posted - 2016.09.06 14:52:51 -
[111] - Quote
Makkuro Tatsu wrote:Warlord Balrog wrote:Ded Akara wrote:Is there any way to create a login order for 'play selected'? Other than deleting accounts and adding them in order I mean. So if for example I wanted to log in a specific group of characters, I just load that group and hit play? Currently, the only sure-fire way to login to multiple accounts in a specified order is use the "play" icons near the accounts and waiting up to 5 seconds between clicks. This way you control the order each and every time...albeit it makes multi launch feature of the launcher moot. Short answer is no. Long answer is yes. Accounts can be ordered in the launcher using drag-and-drop. Logins happen from top to bottom, and launcher options also allow configuring the "delay in seconds between launching clients".
Oh! That wasn't an option previously when I used the launcher a few patches ago. Thanks for the correction :) |
Ded Akara
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2016.09.06 15:04:05 -
[112] - Quote
Warlord Balrog wrote:Makkuro Tatsu wrote:Warlord Balrog wrote:Ded Akara wrote:Is there any way to create a login order for 'play selected'? Other than deleting accounts and adding them in order I mean. So if for example I wanted to log in a specific group of characters, I just load that group and hit play? Currently, the only sure-fire way to login to multiple accounts in a specified order is use the "play" icons near the accounts and waiting up to 5 seconds between clicks. This way you control the order each and every time...albeit it makes multi launch feature of the launcher moot. Short answer is no. Long answer is yes. Accounts can be ordered in the launcher using drag-and-drop. Logins happen from top to bottom, and launcher options also allow configuring the "delay in seconds between launching clients". Oh! That wasn't an option previously when I used the launcher a few patches ago. Thanks for the correction :)
Good.
Does anyone know if you can set multiple main login screen tabs? For example sometimes I want to log in my miners, which could be on accounts 1,2,3,4, plus a 2nd or 3rd tab i can switch to if i want to log in different accounts or in a different order. I can just switch to it and hit 'play selected'. This would make life much easier for logging in multiple accounts. |
HaNN1BLe
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2016.09.06 15:22:05 -
[113] - Quote
Yeah I don't really see any added security provided by this. Both connect to the same place. Looks more like a stab at legit multi-boxers that couldn't be justified. There is plenty of code that still needs fixed. |
Your Launcher Sucks
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.09.06 15:22:55 -
[114] - Quote
If you don't fix the problem with the launcher forgetting account info everytime there's a network connection drop (example: coming out of sleep mode), you will be losing 20+ accounts of mine. The only way I can use them at this point is with 3rd party solutions that use the .exe to launch the game.
And no this is not a threat to quit the game, I will still have my main accounts, I just can't justify keeping all these extra alts if I spend more effort logging them in than actually using them. |
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2296
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Posted - 2016.09.06 16:27:20 -
[115] - Quote
Your Launcher Sucks wrote:If you don't fix the problem with the launcher forgetting account info everytime there's a network connection drop (example: coming out of sleep mode)
The launcher team is aware that people are experiencing this type of problem, but my understanding is that they need fully documented bug reports with all the information they need to identify the issue.
If so, a well-documented bug report that includes a launcher log would be very helpful to the team. Here are some questions I'd suggest trying to answer clearly in your bug report:
1) If the launcher prompts for a login rather than presenting an account list, do you always log in with the same account username or do you sometimes use different usernames? 2) Do you always leave the launcher running or do you exit it and restart it between sessions? 3) If you have a series of steps that always cause the problem to occur, first, what did you do to get to the initial state of the launcher, and second, what are those steps that cause the problem? 4) What is the output when you run dxdiag.exe? 5) What is the output when you run msinfo32.exe? (Use the "Export..." function to save a text file.) 6) After you reproduce the problem, what are the contents of your launcher logs? (You can get to them by choosing "Show In Explorer > Launcher Logs" from the main launcher menu.)
If you can provide screenshots that illustrate the steps of your reproducing the problem, that might be helpful.
To get to the web page to submit a bug report, the easiest way is to click on the Bug Report button on the far right side of the launcher window.
Once you have a bug report that includes all of this information (most importantly, launcher logs!) please feel free to send me the EBR number and I'll pass it along to the launcher team so they can take a look at it.
If you encounter limits regarding the number or size of attachments in a bug report, please mention it when mailing me the EBR number and I can help you submit the information another way if it would be helpful.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
3047
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Posted - 2016.09.06 16:48:08 -
[116] - Quote
Just a note folks to say that we are compiling a list of questions asked in the thread and will have updates and answers hopefully tomorrow.
CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
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Primary This Rifter
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
1208
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Posted - 2016.09.06 17:32:24 -
[117] - Quote
I don't understand why CCP can't add 2FA directly into the EVE client, or perform some check that disallows users to login through the EVE client if 2FA is enabled for that account.
I can't imagine any programmatic reasons why this can't be done or why this would be difficult to do.
I mean, I've been using the new launcher since it was in beta and I've been overall pretty pleased with it. I have no idea why so many people are having problems with it and again I suspect the issue is PEBKAC. That said, this is a move that's clearly displeasing a fair amount of players and that should be addressed. |
Emrys Alf
Seagull Fleet DRONE WALKERS
7
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Posted - 2016.09.06 18:15:39 -
[118] - Quote
Another announcement by CCP that just makes my gut turn over..
A major change with little warning that effects a lot of people done by folk it seem who are not aware of what it is like to play.
The current launcher just is not doing it's job. Mac can only really deal with one account and if the launcher is left open... well all sorts of strange things happen...
2FA is an option for people. Most of us own our own computer in a safe location and do not need 2FA. Yet more hoops and loops to jump through.
Leave things be till Launcher is working for all as it should and then ask us the users rather than dropping things in with 2 weeks notice. |
Tappits
north eastern swat Pandemic Legion
212
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Posted - 2016.09.06 18:31:57 -
[119] - Quote
So I have no idea why but logging in 6 clients with exe and leaving them on the log in screen with max settings was fineGǪ. Log in 6 accounts with launcher in potato mode gfx and sit at the log in screens and its maxing out the mem and core of my gtx 980.. I have no clue why. close them re open same with exe and its fine again.
Also why does the launcher not auto close on log in?. or have an option to (minimise, why would I need to minimise? But not close?) Thanks CCP
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Makkuro Tatsu
Spontaneous Massive Existence Failure
74
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Posted - 2016.09.06 18:59:02 -
[120] - Quote
Emrys Alf wrote:A major change with little warning that effects a lot of people done by folk it seem who are not aware of what it is like to play. "Little warning" as in it has been known to be in the pipe for a year? Let's not get into another unfounded iteration of "players were kept in the dark".
The launcher is not perfect yet, but for me it works in almost all cases, with multiple accounts, on both Mac OS X and Windows. The one issue I experience, and seldom, is that the launcher forgets previously pinned accounts, which can be a slight inconvenience or major irritation depending on the number of accounts a player uses. Switching between servers sometimes brings them back for me, but that's the one issue I'd like to see fixed. |
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Rorhke Shardani
EVE University Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2016.09.06 19:53:18 -
[121] - Quote
I have a Surface Book that I sometimes use to run EVE if I am away from my main gaming rig (such as travelling).
It has a dual GPU thing going on - the integrated Surface table one and there's a secondary NVIDIA GPU that seems to be housed in the keyboard portion (I am unsure on the specifics).
The only way I have been able to get the EVE client to launch on the Surface Book is to run the exefile directly, set to run in Windows 8 compatibility mode and using the NVIDIA GPU.
Any attempt to run the launcher fails miserably. It runs, accepts the login but when I try to launch the client it just hangs (exefile.exe never even appears in task manager)
Is this a known issue with the launcher ? I can only assume that there's something in the passing of settings from the launcher to the client where settings aren't getting passed over.
As it stands at the moment, desupport of the launcher means I can't use that machine for EVE any more - I realize I'm just one player out of thousands, but it would be nice if I could still use the portable device to play :) |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1746
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Posted - 2016.09.07 02:22:15 -
[122] - Quote
Tappits wrote:So I have no idea why but logging in 6 clients with exe and leaving them on the log in screen with max settings was fineGǪ. Log in 6 accounts with launcher in potato mode gfx and sit at the log in screens and its maxing out the mem and core of my gtx 980.. I have no clue why. close them re open same with exe and its fine again.
Also why does the launcher not auto close on log in?. or have an option to (minimise, why would I need to minimise? But not close?) Thanks CCP
Try using the launcher to open them in max graphics, using lower graphics settings especially on older games can actually tax more modern cards because they are emulating older architecture rather than running it natively |
Vajra Zaitsez
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.09.07 03:02:18 -
[123] - Quote
CCP Devs
First of all, thanks for all the work you put into improving EvE. I really appreciate it. The vast majority of updates have been exciting and very engaging. Ship re-balances, visual environment, structure ship and effects beautification and massive updates in player structures. The list really goes on and on. The game constantly feels fresh to me.
This latest change may inject problems you may or may not have foreseen.
To give up multiple avenues of access [redundancy in case of failure] to gain greater security over accounts or potentially smoother operation may well yield none of the above. This is especially true if there is only one point of entry and no backup in case of launcher failure. The EvE.exe file is that backup if the launcher is not working.
A minority of posters indicate they have no problem with the new launcher. It seems the majority of posters have encountered problems. Albeit many are minor issues, some are significant enough to prevent playing at all.
Single account or multibox players will likely re-evaluate the number of subscriptions maintained if they fundamentally cannot access what they are paying for.
I sincerely hope CCP will give serious consideration to delaying this decision and ensuring that subscribers continue to have as much access as possible to content that they are paying for in whatever future decision is made.
Thank you CCP for what has been an excellent gaming experience for me in this universe called New Eden. I hope to be able to play for a long time to come.
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Nakaara Adahsa
Deep Void Enterprises
23
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Posted - 2016.09.07 03:38:14 -
[124] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:Nakaara Adahsa wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Personally I've never had any issue with the new launcher, it's worked perfectly for me for almost 6 months. I mean those of you who have had issues with it, have you ever even thought it might be a problem on your end?
Within IT support (my profession) 9 times out of 10 when an issue a customer arises it's going to be a local issue as we have safeguards and monitoring tools to tell us when it's affecting a large percentage of our users.
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Client authorization issues across a network are much more likely to be a problem in either the client or server software specific to the application unless other unrelated programs are affected as well. CCP controls most of the software involved at both ends. That the problems may be intermittent or perhaps only affecting a small number of users doesn't mean CCP isn't at fault. Software errors can manifest in many ways. Unfortunately, CCP has a long history of ignoring customer complaints. This looks like it will be another case of it. However, most players won't pay for a game they repeatedly can't access. CCP may finally screw a lot of folks over in a way that can't be ignored. Unlikely, client authorisation can be logged so CCP either don't care (unlikely as that's counter-intuitive to making money) or it's not an issue. As all of the complaints in this thread have been about opening the launcher or losing profiles I'm going to go with the latter. Also your comment about them controlling software in both ends: utter bollocks. CCP only control one thing and that's the launcher, the client machine can literally be anything. You can't expect everything to be supported, that's just not economically viable.
Actually, client authorization issues can only be logged by CCP if either (1) the launcher actually reaches the server at some point but fails to complete all aspects of the handshaking/authorization, or (2) the launcher tracks login failures, stores the info somewhere, and then sends it later on to the server once a connection can be established at some point. Case #1 is more likely to have been implemented than case #2, but even more likely is that client-side failures never get reported or logged on CCP's server. Otherwise they would know about these problems and have fixed them years ago, right? Because they take their customers seriously, right?
CCP does in fact control most of the at-risk software on both ends, both client and server. If they don't control the server, then why are most of us here paying them money? :-)
It's true that CCP is not responsible for the operating system or network device drivers, but the reliability of those software components is usually much higher than application software. Some 99+% of the time, the weak link is the app, not the OS. I'd lower that percentage if we were talking about graphics display issues, but that's not the case here.
Some of the strongest evidence that most of the launcher problems described on this thread are most probably CCP's fault is that people regard the Exefile game client as the reliable solution. If the issues were with a given player's OS, computer hardware, software confiiguration, etc, it is fairly likely that Exefile would be affected as well. However, the core message on this thread has been "don't take Exefile login away".
There is something different about Exefile: maybe it uses a simpler login process with fewer server-side infrastructure dependencies, maybe it's an older more mature implementation, or maybe it's just been better tested/debugged by CCP. I'd bet the latter is a significant factor at work here. If you were a CCP developer or tester trying to get your work done, would you use the launcher most of the time, or just login directly via the Exefile client? The latter would be more consistent with most software organizations I've worked in.
CCP needs to start taking the launcher issues seriously if they follow through with their Exefile changes, or some/many players will just disappear and take their money elsewhere. |
IcewaterKat
2
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Posted - 2016.09.07 04:12:55 -
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Still my disappointment builds.
It's nice to see that steps are being taken for dealing with the clone state. The issue with the Launcher having security issues, as well as other problems, seems a bit out of place since it has been proudly improved over the older launcher, seems to be more of an extreme step to cut off alpha clone abuse. If the launcher was truly a log-on security issue, it would of been switched to an EXE a long time ago.
I see this choking many 'paid' accounts that comply with the rules, as something that isn't worth the effort. I find this measure to be a detriment to the pocketbook of CCP and the community. While some players will build workarounds and exploits for the clone states, I don't see how cutting off a part of a verification process, which can log what accounts are connected through a launcher, would be a reasonable benefit over the detriment to legitimate 'paid' players.
IP addressing can be easily dealt modified and faked as well as not all ip are static. However a MAC with a 'token' tied to it, would change things up for delivering a trackable security solution, that isn't foolproof but it's hard to get around. Registering these devices and the accounts tied to them allows for specific actions to be applied, including a solution for the clone states possibility for abuse.
What? Not enough time to implement this before November. Why does it have to happen then? What's the rush? Yes, this does seem like there is a rush to make this happen, which I find very unsettling.
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Serg Sinist
Without Southern Sitizens
4
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Posted - 2016.09.07 06:27:27 -
[126] - Quote
Before turn off login in exefile.exe write your launcher in C\C++ without QT5 web processes. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1748
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Posted - 2016.09.07 06:42:24 -
[127] - Quote
Nakaara Adahsa wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Nakaara Adahsa wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Personally I've never had any issue with the new launcher, it's worked perfectly for me for almost 6 months. I mean those of you who have had issues with it, have you ever even thought it might be a problem on your end?
Within IT support (my profession) 9 times out of 10 when an issue a customer arises it's going to be a local issue as we have safeguards and monitoring tools to tell us when it's affecting a large percentage of our users.
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Client authorization issues across a network are much more likely to be a problem in either the client or server software specific to the application unless other unrelated programs are affected as well. CCP controls most of the software involved at both ends. That the problems may be intermittent or perhaps only affecting a small number of users doesn't mean CCP isn't at fault. Software errors can manifest in many ways. Unfortunately, CCP has a long history of ignoring customer complaints. This looks like it will be another case of it. However, most players won't pay for a game they repeatedly can't access. CCP may finally screw a lot of folks over in a way that can't be ignored. Unlikely, client authorisation can be logged so CCP either don't care (unlikely as that's counter-intuitive to making money) or it's not an issue. As all of the complaints in this thread have been about opening the launcher or losing profiles I'm going to go with the latter. Also your comment about them controlling software in both ends: utter bollocks. CCP only control one thing and that's the launcher, the client machine can literally be anything. You can't expect everything to be supported, that's just not economically viable. Actually, client authorization issues can only be logged by CCP if either (1) the launcher actually reaches the server at some point but fails to complete all aspects of the handshaking/authorization, or (2) the launcher tracks login failures, stores the info somewhere, and then sends it later on to the server once a connection can be established at some point. Case #1 is more likely to have been implemented than case #2, but even more likely is that client-side failures never get reported or logged on CCP's server. Otherwise they would know about these problems and have fixed them years ago, right? Because they take their customers seriously, right? CCP does in fact control most of the at-risk software on both ends, both client and server. If they don't control the server, then why are most of us here paying them money? :-) It's true that CCP is not responsible for the operating system or network device drivers, but the reliability of those software components is usually much higher than application software. Some 99+% of the time, the weak link is the app, not the OS. I'd lower that percentage if we were talking about graphics display issues, but that's not the case here. Some of the strongest evidence that most of the launcher problems described on this thread are most probably CCP's fault is that people regard the Exefile game client as the reliable solution. If the issues were with a given player's OS, computer hardware, software confiiguration, etc, it is fairly likely that Exefile would be affected as well. However, the core message on this thread has been "don't take Exefile login away". There is something different about Exefile: maybe it uses a simpler login process with fewer server-side infrastructure dependencies, maybe it's an older more mature implementation, or maybe it's just been better tested/debugged by CCP. I'd bet the latter is a significant factor at work here. If you were a CCP developer or tester trying to get your work done, would you use the launcher most of the time, or just login directly via the Exefile client? The latter would be more consistent with most software organizations I've worked in. CCP needs to start taking the launcher issues seriously if they follow through with their Exefile changes, or some/many players will just disappear and take their money elsewhere.
So much stuff you've written makes no sense. You correctly identified that they can only log things if a failed login happened to reach the server or that the launcher records crashes. If either of those things do not happen, how the hell else can we get the data? Player reports.
A vocal minority QQing in a forum thread does not warrant a full scale investigation or turning back on a decision that has been in the making for months.
And you're wrong again CCP can only make their software as compatible with systems that they deem their players use often. They cannot code for contingencies of every individual and cover every eventuality, that's not economically viable. Network is also a huge factor, as people from all over the world play this game their ISPs will of course have different routing, traffic shaping and priorities. Most people will also not know how to configure their routers to optimally use these applications.
There's just so many variables that you have to accept some leakage and the fact you think I'm only talking about OS shows you have very little experience in deploying new software to a large number of machines, something I do every few months and even then it's a pain in the ass with an inventory of NEAR IDENTICAL computers.
Finally I believe the way the launcher works is just entering your information to the existing exefile login screen and just bypasses it instead. If it doesn't work then it's probably something to do with your network or possible software conflict or even malware. It makes no sense that CCP would not test the launcher in multiple common platforms before removing the old one, which is happening now. |
Assia Eko
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
0
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Posted - 2016.09.07 07:16:16 -
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Hello,
I used to login through a SSH Tunnel that is installed on my main computer at home for security reasons, and in order to log in from places with unsafes connections (airport, train station, public wifi, work..)
I was using the /server:127.0.0.1 option in the shortlink to exefile.exe.
Will it still be possible to add such option to the executable via the launcher ?
Thank you,
Assia |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1656
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Posted - 2016.09.07 09:28:29 -
[129] - Quote
MDK-1 wrote:ACCOUNT MANAGEMENT
Allow Exefile Launch (x) Disallow Exefile Launch ( )
Disclaimer: Even though you have been playing this game for years without being injected or hacked we wish to dumb down your experience even more than usual, please tick the next box to show you are a grumpy old fart and don't want to change what works (x)
Slight sarcasm but you get the picture....
Entitled user asking for a toggle switch. Check.
Bingo card is almost full guys. Keep it up.
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2298
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Posted - 2016.09.07 10:15:26 -
[130] - Quote
Rorhke Shardani wrote:Any attempt to run the launcher fails miserably. It runs, accepts the login but when I try to launch the client it just hangs (exefile.exe never even appears in task manager)
A troubleshooting step that I've seen resolve some issues where the launcher appears to work fine but the client won't start:
Exit the launcher.
Navigate to C:\ProgramData\CCP\Eve\SharedCache (or wherever your shared cache is located, if you've chosen a nonstandard location.)
Delete the directory named "tq" and all of its contents.
Start the launcher and launch the game.
Let me know if that helps.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Emrys Alf
Seagull Fleet DRONE WALKERS
7
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Posted - 2016.09.07 10:23:44 -
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Quote:Makkuro Tatsu wrote:Emrys Alf wrote:A major change with little warning that effects a lot of people done by folk it seem who are not aware of what it is like to play. "Little warning" as in it has been known to be in the pipe for a year? Let's not get into another unfounded iteration of "players were kept in the dark". Known?? First I ever hear of it was yesterday. No one I have talked to so far was ever aware of this coming.. According to the posting this is due to free accounts which we all heard about a few days ago... I guess you have better sources.. Quote:The launcher is not perfect yet, but for me it works in almost all cases, with multiple accounts, on both Mac OS X and Windows. The one issue I experience, and seldom, is that the launcher forgets previously pinned accounts, which can be a slight inconvenience or major irritation depending on the number of accounts a player uses. Switching between servers sometimes brings them back for me, but that's the one issue I'd like to see fixed.
I am glad that you are having such a great time on the mac with multiple accounts. having just two open will cause a crash or freeze of one of the accounts after 20 minutes. Multiple Mac's tried big and small.
Forgetting one account I can live with which is what I do on my Main 2 computers. I use the launcher and if it forgets it is only one account to readd. With 10 that is a long ass process. Fustrating and frequent! |
Krystal Lee
Splintered Time. Care for Kids Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.09.07 11:01:15 -
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I am seeing a noticeable pattern of those supporting this idea having no more than a couple accounts, but what about those of us with 20+ active subs at any given time. The new launcher does not properly support this many clients reliably in any way that is acceptable.
So are multiboxers being pushed from eve, if so you could save us all some time and just tell us instead of changing things till we no longer can play the same way we have since the early 2000's. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
6174
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Posted - 2016.09.07 11:33:27 -
[133] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote: Finally I believe the way the launcher works is just entering your information to the existing exefile login screen and just bypasses it instead. If it doesn't work then it's probably something to do with your network or possible software conflict or even malware. It makes no sense that CCP would not test the launcher in multiple common platforms before removing the old one, which is happening now.
The launcher works by talking to the SSO login server, and getting an access token. This token is then passed to the exefile and used for auth. Username and password are never passed to the exefile.
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Vitank
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2016.09.07 11:35:01 -
[134] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Rorhke Shardani wrote:Any attempt to run the launcher fails miserably. It runs, accepts the login but when I try to launch the client it just hangs (exefile.exe never even appears in task manager) A troubleshooting step that I've seen resolve some issues where the launcher appears to work fine but the client won't start: Exit the launcher. Navigate to C:\ProgramData\CCP\Eve\SharedCache (or wherever your shared cache is located, if you've chosen a nonstandard location.) Delete the directory named "tq" and all of its contents. Start the launcher and launch the game. Let me know if that helps.
Good day,
I normally never comments on these type of post, but i must admit, this statement angered me as a coder myself. The steps stated above is a work around until the software is patch to allow such feature to be performed automatically.
No users should EVER have to dig in the file system to perform any tasks related to EVE client. The fact that we have been has become the "norm" is proof that the launcher is not ready and needs to be polished a little bit more.
I'm all for twerking the range of issues by removing unsupported version of software (WINXP, DX9, etc) but moving to quickly to a unpolished launcher will only affect your brand in a negative way.
Think of the launcher as the window into your game, no matter how good the inside is, if no one can get pass the window shopping, it failed it's purpose.
All this to say, please ensure these type of steps and troubleshooting guides and coded for. There should be no need for these type of things to be done by the user manually. It's just poor planning, IMHO.
Vitank |
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
423
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Posted - 2016.09.07 11:52:44 -
[135] - Quote
Vitank wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:Rorhke Shardani wrote:Any attempt to run the launcher fails miserably. It runs, accepts the login but when I try to launch the client it just hangs (exefile.exe never even appears in task manager) A troubleshooting step that I've seen resolve some issues where the launcher appears to work fine but the client won't start: Exit the launcher. Navigate to C:\ProgramData\CCP\Eve\SharedCache (or wherever your shared cache is located, if you've chosen a nonstandard location.) Delete the directory named "tq" and all of its contents. Start the launcher and launch the game. Let me know if that helps. Good day, I normally never comments on these type of post, but i must admit, this statement angered me as a coder myself. The steps stated above is a work around until the software is patch to allow such feature to be performed automatically. No users should EVER have to dig in the file system to perform any tasks related to EVE client. The fact that we have been has become the "norm" is proof that the launcher is not ready and needs to be polished a little bit more. I'm all for twerking the range of issues by removing unsupported version of software (WINXP, DX9, etc) but moving to quickly to a unpolished launcher will only affect your brand in a negative way. Think of the launcher is the "window into" your game. No matter how good the inside is, if no one can get pass the window shopping, it failed it's purpose. All this to say, please ensure these type of steps and troubleshooting guides should be coded for. There should be no need for these type of things to be done by the user manually. It's just poor planning, IMHO. Vitank
Maybe they should make a list with buttons somewhere;
* [remove TQ folder] * [workaround x]
etc...
"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X
"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron
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Absolute Intoleranto
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.09.07 12:07:42 -
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Most of the time I dont understand why people are complaining so much.
Dx11 runs. My launcher works. The game crashes rarely.
The old old icons got replaced with better ones = shitstorm The support for the old API ends, for the game can technically evolve = shitstorm New launcher to make things easier = shitstorm Alpas get announced, while nothing changes for the subscribers = shitstorm After literally every announcement people start to complain.
Its like the community exists of frustrated old men that wish the world would never change and therefor fail to adapt to anything.
Yesterday I read some topics on the SC forum. One thing that gets repeated over and over is "No EVE player loves EVE, they all hate it and therefor bash CCP for any changes/announcement."
One may first laugh about that, but coming back to the forum and what does every player see? Exactly what was stated. You may be a minority, maybe not. I dont know. The only thing I know is, that I dont have your issues. And the people I know who play the game also dont have to deal with them.
So my question is, what the **** are you doing with your system? You should ask this question yourself!
Others complain about ISBoxer. EVE wasnt intended to support several accounts on one system. You should be thankful for CCP not to forbid it like other companies do. Yes I know, money is also a reason why its allowed. But still, I think its pretty arrogant to complain about that. Even though CCP did not make that program.
Of course I will not encourage CCP to ignore all these complains, because that would be equally arrogant. The only compromis I can think of is to delay such a change. Maybe there are some flaws.
Still it makes me sad. Elite got announced and I did not care. SC got announced and I did not care. NMS got announced and I did not care.
But whenever I come back to this forum it makes me worry. Because that kind of attitude is toxic for the community. This is something that truly hurts the developers, the game and the community. For some hardcore players that a lot of you allegedly are you are really squeamish.
Absolute |
Krystal Lee
Splintered Time. Care for Kids Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.09.07 12:14:47 -
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Absolute Intoleranto wrote:Most of the time I dont understand why people are complaining so much.
Others complain about ISBoxer. EVE wasnt intended to support several accounts on one system. You should be thankful for CCP not to forbid it like other companies do. Yes I know, money is also a reason why its allowed. But still, I think its pretty arrogant to complain about that. Even though CCP did not make that program.
Absolute
Ill safety assume you dont own capitals. |
March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
1885
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Posted - 2016.09.07 12:17:28 -
[138] - Quote
Ilian Amarin wrote:EDIT: BUT PLEASE FOR EVERYONES SANITY STOP MAKING THE LAUNCHER FORGET ALL MY ACCOUNTS IF I LEAVE IT OPEN FOR TOO LONG! Already bug-reported. Answer was: 'Logs show nothing. Bug closed'
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Absolute Intoleranto
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.09.07 13:00:43 -
[139] - Quote
Krystal Lee wrote:Ill safety assume you dont own capitals.
Also, as i stated maybe they should discuss this with those of us this actually affects.
Thats correct. I dont own capitals.
About the second sentence. I only had one problem with my acc. Contacted the support, 20-40 minutes later that problem was solved. A friend of mine got impressed and that was one of the reasons I got him to try and subscribe.
My experience with EVE and CCP is mostly positive.
Maybe thats why I have a hard time to understand all the complains. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1754
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Posted - 2016.09.07 13:15:36 -
[140] - Quote
I feel people are complaining to the wrong people here. You should be QQing to isboxer devs to create a workaround |
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
1885
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Posted - 2016.09.07 14:08:27 -
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TheSmokingHertog wrote:Vitank wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:Rorhke Shardani wrote:Any attempt to run the launcher fails miserably. It runs, accepts the login but when I try to launch the client it just hangs (exefile.exe never even appears in task manager) A troubleshooting step that I've seen resolve some issues where the launcher appears to work fine but the client won't start: Exit the launcher. Navigate to C:\ProgramData\CCP\Eve\SharedCache (or wherever your shared cache is located, if you've chosen a nonstandard location.) Delete the directory named "tq" and all of its contents. Start the launcher and launch the game. Let me know if that helps. Good day, I normally never comments on these type of post, but i must admit, this statement angered me as a coder myself. The steps stated above is a work around until the software is patch to allow such feature to be performed automatically. No users should EVER have to dig in the file system to perform any tasks related to EVE client. The fact that we have been has become the "norm" is proof that the launcher is not ready and needs to be polished a little bit more. I'm all for twerking the range of issues by removing unsupported version of software (WINXP, DX9, etc) but moving to quickly to a unpolished launcher will only affect your brand in a negative way. Think of the launcher is the "window into" your game. No matter how good the inside is, if no one can get pass the window shopping, it failed it's purpose. All this to say, please ensure these type of steps and troubleshooting guides should be coded for. There should be no need for these type of things to be done by the user manually. It's just poor planning, IMHO. Vitank Maybe they should make a list with buttons somewhere; * [remove TQ folder] * [workaround x] etc... Windows can detect if its previous start ended badly. And it can attempt automatic detection and repairing on next startup. And it exists for years already. Not rocket science tbh. I'm pretty sure it can be implemented so laucher will detect such failures, notify user and clean up anything needed by itself.
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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OkarasRule
Maas Industries Holesale Operations
36
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Posted - 2016.09.07 14:08:29 -
[142] - Quote
I run 14 accounts in a mining fleet using ISBoxer as window management, I don't use anything that is considered bannable by the eula or tos or even devs.
Only way I have been able to play for a while was on XP but you then removed abilities to play through that with the removal of the "old" launcher. Now your removing the only way I actualy enjoy playing this game and that's by sitting back and having a drink talking in ts3 to my friends. Now how am I supposed to micro manage all these accounts if you remove ISBoxer all together?
Why not have your devs make a version of ISBoxer you can control "though ital take about a week to make and test" and publish it along side the new clone types your pushing out in November? Your giving the player base less insentives to run paid accounts by giving us free accounts and removeing the bulk of the heavy lifters out of the game by the disabilities of ISBoxer players.
Get your devs to make a ccp owned and managed version of window management software that runs on eve exclusively please or iv got to shave half my accounts, probably more to be able to manage the accounts |
Rorhke Shardani
EVE University Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2016.09.07 14:20:03 -
[143] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Rorhke Shardani wrote:Any attempt to run the launcher fails miserably. It runs, accepts the login but when I try to launch the client it just hangs (exefile.exe never even appears in task manager) A troubleshooting step that I've seen resolve some issues where the launcher appears to work fine but the client won't start: Exit the launcher. Navigate to C:\ProgramData\CCP\Eve\SharedCache (or wherever your shared cache is located, if you've chosen a nonstandard location.) To get there, in the launcher itself, you can choose "Show in Explorer -> Shared Cache" from the menu. Delete the directory named "tq" and all of its contents. Start the launcher and launch the game. Let me know if that helps.
Didn't work. However this general thread may not be the best place to troubleshoot my particular problems - should this be continued in a ticket or is there a better place to get this particular question resolved ? |
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2299
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Posted - 2016.09.07 14:28:25 -
[144] - Quote
Rorhke Shardani wrote:However this general thread may not be the best place to troubleshoot my particular problems - should this be continued in a ticket or is there a better place to get this particular question resolved ? You're very right, sorry to take the discussion off-topic. I would recommend that if you're having specific launcher issues that you post in the Eve Launcher forum or make a support ticket here.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Pumeia Taranogas
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2016.09.07 15:31:46 -
[145] - Quote
brinelan wrote:Fossor Wintersky wrote:it's a BAD gamedesign. You should tell every other game dev since just about every mmo uses some kind of launcher.
with the difference that their launchers actually work...and not lets you log in with a "socket closed" for hours anymore (not even after PC Reboot) while being able to login with the exe-file all the time...especially a fancy thing during Ops.... |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
56
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Posted - 2016.09.07 15:36:41 -
[146] - Quote
Vitank wrote:I normally never comments on these type of post, but i must admit, this statement angered me as a coder myself. No users should EVER have to dig in the file system to perform any tasks related to EVE client. The fact that we have been has become the "norm" is proof that the launcher is not ready and needs to be polished a little bit more. We are not doing 1998 coding / patching it's 2016 for crying out loud. I do not intend or mean to offend anyone in the gaming industry, knowing there are always in any company hard working folks who deliver greatness, so every CCP employee and moderator should take what I say as such; the observation and experiences of a single person which might or might not factually represent the widespread issues.
Vitank, you've successfully identified a core issue with the gaming industry once high-bandwidth internet became readily available and server storage increased while price went down. The sad state of the gaming industry is to be held at lower standards than the rest of the working economy. It's like the running gag in the music industry where the engineer says "I'll fix it in the mix" just several times worse. So many things nowadays are half-hearted, half-finished and are proceeded to be patched in the upcoming days. I cannot confirm or deny statements which have been made about "people who don't get a real job at programming go into the gaming industry" and neither do I have an opinion about it, nor can I allow myself to have an opinion about it. What does make me think though, is when company after company shows clearly how they would not survive in any other sector but the gaming industry where sloppy code, insufficient QA and bad development decisions are nothing the consumer can do anything about. I want to be certain, and I want to believe how CCP devs do everything to the best of their ability. Sad as it is though, this doesn't mean the effort done is good enough to match a reasonable standard.
Now when I look at the rate of how the last decade went in the entirety of products inside and outside the gaming industry, I don't exactly know where to place the aforementioned sentiments. I don't know if the gaming industry is just as bad off but everyone else regressed, or if the remaining industry progressed just at a faster rate than the gaming industry. I believe both applies, depending on where one looks.
I do owe great respect to certain CCP employees and their work while I openly frown towards others. In the end, everyone needs to make ends meet. The only thing I will always question hard is how much freedom a company can take out on their consumers before it turns against them to a degree where they can no longer operate as functional or as flourishing as they once could. Certainly, not everything is about money. I'd rather live average knowing to do the good thing than sell my ethics and morals only to live in temporary wealth. But this is the gaming industry. This is the gaming community. Contrary to popular belief and polarization of forum / reddit discussion, the majority of gamers are just decent blokes who just want to enjoy their past time activity, unwinding from a (maybe) lousy day at work. |
win189
LAWN HC Get Off My Lawn
1
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Posted - 2016.09.07 15:52:09 -
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this is Frankly a stupid move as the only way for players to get on when the mystical launcher Server goes down the only way to launch the game is from the Exe file
CCP before Taking something away Wait tell you have 1 Whole Year of its Replacement Working Flawlessly. Stop Pulling a Microsoft and force Changes when you do not have the team in place to back it up
Otherwize i think ALL eve Players should get a 1000 SP for every Half hour the Launcher goes down if ever again |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3171
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Posted - 2016.09.07 15:52:43 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote: Finally I believe the way the launcher works is just entering your information to the existing exefile login screen and just bypasses it instead. If it doesn't work then it's probably something to do with your network or possible software conflict or even malware. It makes no sense that CCP would not test the launcher in multiple common platforms before removing the old one, which is happening now.
The launcher works by talking to the SSO login server, and getting an access token. This token is then passed to the exefile and used for auth. Username and password are never passed to the exefile. Confirmed; even further, the Launcher embeds a direct interface to the login server (the SSO) so the Launcher doesn't even see the password. It extracts the reply, the access token, and passes on to the exefile, and knows what account this is to build the list of accounts.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
823
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Posted - 2016.09.07 16:22:49 -
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Pumeia Taranogas wrote:brinelan wrote:Fossor Wintersky wrote:it's a BAD gamedesign. You should tell every other game dev since just about every mmo uses some kind of launcher. with the difference that their launchers actually work...and not lets you log in with a "socket closed" for hours anymore (not even after PC Reboot) while being able to login with the exe-file all the time...especially a fancy thing during Ops....
This really. Blizzard doesn't make you uninstall your games when the launcher goes to crap either. Looks like update or something had launcher go bad...well that sucks says the tech guy on the tech forum, You know the drill...uninstall, nuke file folders, reinstall. This the Eve way.
Blizzard launcher seems to be damn good at fixing itself no uninstall/reinstall games. Kind of needs to. 6 mainstream games run from that one launcher. Please uninstall your game and reinstall is something blizzard can't tell you to do so casually. Uninstall reinstall 3 of those blizzard games (none of them of the wow) to fix a launcher bug...something I have never been told to do. |
Anwynn Windseeker
Don't press this button
0
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Posted - 2016.09.07 17:01:39 -
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G'day, ... as much as I support CCPs intent to make the game safer, there still is the BIG issue of forcing the players to use an instrument that just does not do its job more often than not.
Running the .exe file works, provided the version is up-to-date. This is solid.
The launcher in its current (un)development stage
- forgets all my account data on a two-day-average (counting very leniently!).
- regularly fails to update itself on the first attempt
- forgets every other day to which server it is supposed to connect (showing the white "oops"-square).
Since I am not running any fancy and/or exotic hardware and a run-of-the-mill Windows 10 system I can not believe that this behaviour is a "special feature" which my end of the line is responsible for.
Suggestion to CCP: Make the launcher work properly first, force people to use it only when it works the way it is intended.
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Runiba Toll
Alfred E. Newman Fan Club
6
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Posted - 2016.09.07 17:05:09 -
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This is my FIRST post on forums,
When the game stops working for me I'm going to stop paying.
If the launcher stops working and I can't use the exefile.exe route the game has stopped working.
At that point I will limit my losses and find a new game Very simple, and having posted this, ALL are informed, players, CCP, and the NSA so they'll need to put a physical bug in my apartment once eve dies. |
IcewaterKat
3
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Posted - 2016.09.07 18:53:44 -
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You are right.
However, there is a lot of concern about the launcher issues. Which the Launcher forum does address, but it is a nightmare to look through at times. It's nice that new posts often get a link to posts that have already been dealt with or a work around exists although it's frustrating to occur to anyone who has honestly tried to search through solutions. General solution guides are 'general' even though they do address the seemingly common issues people have.
Sadly, everyone computer is different and run different programs. Performance optimizers, including network and internet types, would be my guess to a lot of the problems, as well as the mess found with out-of-the-box computers. These sort of things can't really be addressed, at least not realistically. Finding popular or common hardware/software issues that may effect the functionality of the launcher and the game itself, and since it's windows that this is the issue, will result in the solution not working or making the problem worse. it only gets worse the longer that version of windows has been active, more noticeably so on computers with a heavy installation/uninstallation history. This only becomes worse under windows 8 and especially 10. Obviously your not Microsoft, but finding programs which can, or at least potentially, create problems and offering solutions to assist in establishing stability of the game, and avoid lawsuits, should be painfully explored.
My two cents for suggestions: I'd suggest a more thorough job of the uninstaller purging files and folders. A better cache purge, an option oriented network troubleshooter that can automate implementation of the solutions, in simple terms. A diagnostic is not the same. An internal log checker, to see if necessary settings have been changed, especially network settings and links, which many things modify that do effect the functionality of CCP software. Even a separate program that can be downloaded, outside of the main program, could work outside of the game, with an 'users risk' clause. Yes, there is third party software, but who knows the program better?
I used to get paid money to fix this type of problem, now I only charge friends and family a free meal to fix pretty much any sort of computer software problems now that I've pretty much retired from the computer industry, mostly.
Kats loves cheese more than mouses. :p
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Mirida
United Space Corp with Honorable Intersts
0
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Posted - 2016.09.07 19:12:29 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Confirmed; even further, the Launcher embeds a direct interface to the login server (the SSO) so the Launcher doesn't even see the password. It extracts the reply, the access token, and passes on to the exefile, and knows what account this is to build the list of accounts.
So what is it actually for? Making it harder to run a paid and an unpaid account on the same physical machine? Come on... you are just making it harder for people who think about starting and running a second account (alpha wont be enough in the long run). Let's face it: EVE always had a bad launcher with a sometimes wacky client. I remember having batch-files for cleaning up stuff to repair the client to a working state. Bringing out a new fancy launcher to "streamline" the experience is a good thing... I guess almost everybody hated Steam when it went live as it was buggy and slow but it has evolved into a program that at least i really like as it simplifies many things. I also did not like the blizzard launcher until i noticed that it saves the credentials including the two factor auth. However, putting a hard end date to a workaround that is needed because the new launcher does not work correctly is the wrong way. I strongly suggest postponing the discontinuation of the old login until the problems have been dealt with.
A launcher should: Reliably update and fix any problem with the game Store login credentials to ease up login (and therefore encourage two factor auth) Update itself reliably and ask the user for a restart of itself
The launcher currently: Throws white rectangles in my face Forgets my login credentials every time after resume from s3 Seems to have problems with updating itself and keeping the game working*
*According to this thread And yes, i just filed the requested bug report for the credentials (#253201). |
Primary This Rifter
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
1209
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Posted - 2016.09.07 19:39:30 -
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Assia Eko wrote:Hello,
I used to login through a SSH Tunnel that is installed on my main computer at home for security reasons, and in order to log in from places with unsafes connections (airport, train station, public wifi, work..)
I was using the /server:127.0.0.1 option in the shortlink to exefile.exe.
Will it still be possible to add such option to the executable via the launcher ?
Thank you,
Assia Just run a VPN from home. |
Primary This Rifter
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
1209
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Posted - 2016.09.07 19:40:54 -
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Pumeia Taranogas wrote:brinelan wrote:Fossor Wintersky wrote:it's a BAD gamedesign. You should tell every other game dev since just about every mmo uses some kind of launcher. with the difference that their launchers actually work...and not lets you log in with a "socket closed" for hours anymore (not even after PC Reboot) while being able to login with the exe-file all the time...especially a fancy thing during Ops.... As with virtually every other complaint in this thread, it really sounds like the problem is you and not the launcher. |
Terra Serine
Dream of Kings and Sisters
1
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Posted - 2016.09.07 20:03:48 -
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The new launcher doesn't render for me in Wine; if I can't login from the game itself I think I'm boned. |
Makkuro Tatsu
Spontaneous Massive Existence Failure
78
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Posted - 2016.09.07 21:31:44 -
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Emrys Alf wrote:Known?? First I ever hear of it was yesterday. No one I have talked to so far was ever aware of this coming.. Well, I heard of it last year, and the players I talk to heard of it, and the launcher has been available for players' active use for many months. I'd say that you cannot blame CCP just because you have not been following events as much as other players.
Emrys Alf wrote:On the mac with multiple accounts. having just two open will cause a crash or freeze of one of the accounts after 20 minutes. Multiple Mac's tried big and small. I never had these issues. The new launcher has been a huge improvement over the old, crude methods of running multiple clients on the Mac.
Filing useful bug reports is the way to go, not moaning about a change that has been announced a long time ago. |
Tappits
north eastern swat Pandemic Legion
213
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Posted - 2016.09.07 21:36:41 -
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win189 wrote:this is Frankly a stupid move as the only way for players to get on when the mystical launcher Server goes down the only way to launch the game is from the Exe file
CCP before Taking something away Wait tell you have 1 Whole Year of its Replacement Working Flawlessly. Stop Pulling a Microsoft and force Changes when you do not have the team in place to back it up
Otherwize i think ALL eve Players should get a 1000 SP for every Minute the Launcher goes down if ever again
We don't want SP we just want an easy and reliable way of logging into the game... which we all ready have but it seems CCP don't like people having easy ways of doing anything. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
6177
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Posted - 2016.09.07 21:41:01 -
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Terra Serine wrote:The new launcher doesn't render for me in Wine; if I can't login from the game itself I think I'm boned.
Have you tried the linux specific launcher?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=482663&find=unread
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Pumeia Taranogas
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2016.09.07 21:43:26 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Pumeia Taranogas wrote:brinelan wrote:Fossor Wintersky wrote:it's a BAD gamedesign. You should tell every other game dev since just about every mmo uses some kind of launcher. with the difference that their launchers actually work...and not lets you log in with a "socket closed" for hours anymore (not even after PC Reboot) while being able to login with the exe-file all the time...especially a fancy thing during Ops.... As with virtually every other complaint in this thread, it really sounds like the problem is you and not the launcher.
sure...since when the launcher tells me i'm not connected after the socket closed (since a 100m/bit connection 1 flighthour away from the server obviously is not enough to hold the connection even tho not a single other game/program ever have issues with that and also having opened all Ports CCP suggested^^) while i got no problems connecting just over the *.exe file at the same moment makes me and not the launcher the problem. your logic is truely epic. especially after happening with 2 different computers over a year now on different OS and ISP's. How CCP ever could make something unpolished.... lol |
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Rapid Blue
R3d Fire Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
0
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Posted - 2016.09.07 22:17:46 -
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@CCP Falcon
Can we please get a vote against this?
I am against proposition delete #exefile
Please do not delete exe file. I find myself being forced to use exefile to launch the game all the time! |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
515
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Posted - 2016.09.07 23:14:11 -
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I wouldn't say that there is a specific problem with the launcher, but a general one. Generaly it doesn't bloody work.
"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1757
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Posted - 2016.09.08 01:45:16 -
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What is your definition of general? 99% of what you believe the playerbase is experiencing with no empirical evidence to back it up?
I will reiterate to those crying over ISBoxer: go complain to their devs, I believe you pay for that as well so they should care about your opinions.
Let's be realistic here, all of you who are threatening to quit over this, it's not like you're going to prioritise ISBoxer over eve and just switch to another game solely because they let you use this app, otherwise you would have been long gone when multiplexing was banned.
And I see this a lot: 'CCPlease I am FORCED to use exefile!!!'
Can you be brutally honest that you've tried all possible solutions? Or did you just download the launcher, it didn't work the first time and just went 'meh' and clicked on exefile |
Maenth
The Thirteen Provinces
26
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Posted - 2016.09.08 03:30:48 -
[164] - Quote
I will also be inconvenienced once in a while, for those times when the launcher breaks and ... well then I lose out on precious EVE time. I haven't had security issues in the past, so I don't feel the benefit of losing a real and important function/ability for theoretically improved security.
Drones. Drones are a means to an end. An end to the ruthless Caldari 'progress' machines. An end to the barbaric 'redemption' proposed by the Amarr. What they see as chaos shall be my perfect order, merely beyond their comprehension.
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Nakaara Adahsa
Deep Void Enterprises
24
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Posted - 2016.09.08 03:47:51 -
[165] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:Nakaara Adahsa wrote: Actually, client authorization issues can only be logged by CCP if either (1) the launcher actually reaches the server at some point but fails to complete all aspects of the handshaking/authorization, or (2) the launcher tracks login failures, stores the info somewhere, and then sends it later on to the server once a connection can be established at some point. Case #1 is more likely to have been implemented than case #2, but even more likely is that client-side failures never get reported or logged on CCP's server. Otherwise they would know about these problems and have fixed them years ago, right? Because they take their customers seriously, right?
[...stuff deleted for posting length...]
Some of the strongest evidence that most of the launcher problems described on this thread are most probably CCP's fault is that people regard the Exefile game client as the reliable solution. If the issues were with a given player's OS, computer hardware, software confiiguration, etc, it is fairly likely that Exefile would be affected as well. However, the core message on this thread has been "don't take Exefile login away".
There is something different about Exefile: maybe it uses a simpler login process with fewer server-side infrastructure dependencies, maybe it's an older more mature implementation, or maybe it's just been better tested/debugged by CCP. I'd bet the latter is a significant factor at work here. If you were a CCP developer or tester trying to get your work done, would you use the launcher most of the time, or just login directly via the Exefile client? The latter would be more consistent with most software organizations I've worked in.
CCP needs to start taking the launcher issues seriously if they follow through with their Exefile changes, or some/many players will just disappear and take their money elsewhere.
So much stuff you've written makes no sense. You correctly identified that they can only log things if a failed login happened to reach the server or that the launcher records crashes. If either of those things do not happen, how the hell else can we get the data? Player reports. A vocal minority QQing in a forum thread does not warrant a full scale investigation or turning back on a decision that has been in the making for months. And you're wrong again CCP can only make their software as compatible with systems that they deem their players use often. They cannot code for contingencies of every individual and cover every eventuality, that's not economically viable. Network is also a huge factor, as people from all over the world play this game their ISPs will of course have different routing, traffic shaping and priorities. Most people will also not know how to configure their routers to optimally use these applications. There's just so many variables that you have to accept some leakage and the fact you think I'm only talking about OS shows you have very little experience in deploying new software to a large number of machines, something I do every few months and even then it's a pain in the ass with an inventory of NEAR IDENTICAL computers. Finally I believe the way the launcher works is just entering your information to the existing exefile login screen and just bypasses it instead. If it doesn't work then it's probably something to do with your network or possible software conflict or even malware. It makes no sense that CCP would not test the launcher in multiple common platforms before removing the old one, which is happening now.
Yes, player reports are the only way to identify launcher failures if the software does not log them. These issues have been reported by me and I'm sure many others in the past. CCP has ignored this or else people would not be talking about it now.
The impact of variations in OS, hardware, and network behavior is not as great at the socket communication layer as you imagine. We have been using asynchronous communication for several decades now, and the handshaking for logins is usually not complicated enough to be tripped up by those variables unless it's been poorly implemented, poorly tested, or makes unsafe assumptions.
Network traffic shaping impacts bandwidth and latency for a given connection, as well as the timing and ordering of packets. For a login scenario the socket layer would normally be shielded from the impact by using reasonable timeout values. Traffic shaping is more problematic for streaming applications on non-prioritized connections, but good buffering techniques have tamed this fairly well in many cases.
It's clear that Exefile is handling the login process just fine; I've not seen complaints on this thread for it. The launcher is what is unreliable, so it's doing something different, is poorly implemented, is poorly tested, or is using third-party components that are somehow inferior to Exefile.
If network factors were impacting the launcher in some way that is different what Exefile has to deal with, I'd expect those factors to bleed into the game experience after a successful Exefile launch. Gameplay in EVE has partial similarity to streaming in that high latency or large variations in packet transmission patterns would significantly alter the game experience. I've not seen signs of the latter in the game when the launcher failed to login, but perhaps others have.
These technical arguments are moot, however. If people can't play the game for whatever reason with too much frequency, they'll just eventually leave. It's really that simple. |
ACESsiggy
Pandemic Horde Inc.
60
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Posted - 2016.09.08 04:52:05 -
[166] - Quote
I'm guessing this also includes the ability to log out of a character without completely closing the client =ƒÿë=ƒÿè=ƒÿè
GÇ£The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.GÇ¥
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
3048
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Posted - 2016.09.08 08:31:46 -
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Hey all,
Updated 2nd post with some questions that have been asked by people. Working on getting more answers too.
EDIT: Decided to replicate the post here too (though this will not get updated, but the front page post will)
Some answers to questions posed in the thread:
GÇ£The launcher forgets my accounts if I leave it open for too longGÇ¥ If you are logged in and subsequently enable a VPN connection, the SSO iframe fails and then forgets your accounts. We believe there may also be an issue with time passing or network connectivity loss that we are trying to narrow down to root cause(s). In the past we have forced the launcher to forget all accounts, for security reasons (and one deployment error). These purges occurred on: 25/11/15, 26/1/16, 8/2/16 and 20/6/16.
GÇ£The launcher doesnGÇÖt expire logins/refresh tokensGÇ¥ Accounts management now contains the functionality to delete all SSO tokens - located at https://secure.eveonline.com/LoginHistory.aspx Changing password manually via account management also automatically does this The Password Recovery process doesnGÇÖt currently have this functionality, but itGÇÖs in active development and we aim to deploy it by the end of this week
GÇ£The exefile lets me manage my settings profiles and the launcher doesnGÇÖtGÇ¥ The cogwheel next to your account names in launcher login allows you to map separate settings profiles to individual (or multiple) accounts. When/if your accounts are purged from the launcher, these settings profiles are retained on your machine but will need to be remapped to the relevant account once the account has been revalidated in the launcher.
GÇ£I use ISBoxer to launch many clients and manage their window positions, especially with borderless windowsGÇ¥ / GÇ£The Mumble overlay doesnGÇÖt work in Windows 10 unless you use exefileGÇ¥ While ISBoxer and Mumble are unsupported 3rd party software from our perspective, we have reports from players that ISBoxer does also work using the launcher rather than the exefile directly. If there are concerns about 3rd party software functionality or performance with the new system we advise you to raise these concerns with the developers of the software, as is standard practice with all 3rd party software.
GÇ£Will third party launchers such as Rapid Light EVE Launcher continue to work?GÇ¥ While 3rd party launchers may continue to function, we do not support or advocate their use
GÇ£The Launcher is vulnerable to DDOS whereas exefile is more resilientGÇ¥ While the old launcher was subject to load issues and network problems, due to it being hosted in London as a dynamic ASP.NET website, the new launcher website is statically hosted on Amazon S3, with Amazon CloudFront in the front, which should offer additional protection against DDoS attacks.
GÇ£Will the old launcher continue to work?GÇ¥ The old launcher is currently unsupported and will stop working at some point in the near/medium future without any further warning.
GÇ£The launcher complains about access rights to its own installation folderGÇ¥ We believe that most cases can be fixed by running the 'Fix permissions..' in the Shared Cache Settings menu. However, we have seen at least one case where we have been unable to figure out what is wrong, but in that case the user could not create files/folders manually. So in that case, at least, there is a system level problem. Investigations continue so if this issue occurs for you, and Fix Permissions doesn't solve your problem, please file a bug report with as much detail about your system configuration as you can provide.
GÇ£The new launcher throws up certificate issuesGÇ¥ We have an open defect for various certificate issues and hope to roll out a fix soon, but many certificate issues have already been addressed.
CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
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Assia Eko
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
0
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Posted - 2016.09.08 10:57:04 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Assia Eko wrote:Hello,
I used to login through a SSH Tunnel that is installed on my main computer at home for security reasons, and in order to log in from places with unsafes connections (airport, train station, public wifi, work..)
I was using the /server:127.0.0.1 option in the shortlink to exefile.exe.
Will it still be possible to add such option to the executable via the launcher ?
Thank you,
Assia Just run a VPN from home.
A lot of computers are protected from installing a TAP interface on them (like 99% of the public computers). Although they can run Putty (or any other SSH client) and the game can still be launched from a usb stick.
So, my question is still the same, will it still be possible to add parameters to exefile.exe for it to connect to localhost, for instance.
Thank you,
Assia |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
3051
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Posted - 2016.09.08 11:29:36 -
[169] - Quote
Assia Eko wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Assia Eko wrote:Hello,
I used to login through a SSH Tunnel that is installed on my main computer at home for security reasons, and in order to log in from places with unsafes connections (airport, train station, public wifi, work..)
I was using the /server:127.0.0.1 option in the shortlink to exefile.exe.
Will it still be possible to add such option to the executable via the launcher ?
Thank you,
Assia Just run a VPN from home. A lot of computers are protected from installing a TAP interface on them (like 99% of the public computers). Although they can run Putty (or any other SSH client) and the game can still be launched from a usb stick. So, my question is still the same, will it still be possible to add parameters to exefile.exe for it to connect to localhost, for instance. Thank you, Assia
Yes you can add client arguments to the launcher to direct the client to particular servers and such. I cannot verify at this time that your personal setup will work (lack of suitable testing environment) the argument will likely be something like "--client-args=/server:127.0.0.1" placed in the Target field of your launcher shortcut.
CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
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Zmaster BloodLust
BloodLust Enterprises
14
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Posted - 2016.09.08 11:33:09 -
[170] - Quote
I understand why they are doing this... its to prevent people from loging 10 Alpha clone alts...
But that would be fine if the launcher actualy worked well... Since the EVE launcher has been released and eventho theres a new one now, it never worked that well!
I have always only used the launcher to update EVE but always used the exefile like in the days before the launchers to launch the game! And eventho the new launcher has very nice functionalitys like accessing the test servers easely and so on... 70% of the times (and thats a high %) the launcher doesnt work. forcing us again to launch EVE using the exefile!
Please make realy sure the Launcher works at 100% before removing the exefile accessibility... because right now using the exefile is the only way some of us have to login!
Regards, Z |
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Anke Eyrou
Hades Sisters
88
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Posted - 2016.09.08 11:51:19 -
[171] - Quote
CCP Can you please ensure that when I put my computer to sleep the launcher does not lose my account information. I have had to input 3 accounts with passwords 6 times alone in the last 3 days. Its not funny. why should I have to shutdown my PC just so the launcher remembers the account information?
I expect to get this post deleted or locked. So much for freedom of expression.
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Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
56
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Posted - 2016.09.08 11:57:56 -
[172] - Quote
Thank you CCP Goliath for the communication and the time to get back to this topic as promised before
CCP Goliath wrote:1.) GÇ£The launcher forgets my accounts if I leave it open for too longGÇ¥ If you are logged in and subsequently enable a VPN connection, the SSO iframe fails and then forgets your accounts.
2.) In the past we have forced the launcher to forget all accounts, for security reasons (and one deployment error). These purges occurred on: 25/11/15, 26/1/16, 8/2/16 and 20/6/16.
3.) GÇ£The exefile lets me manage my settings profiles and the launcher doesnGÇÖtGÇ¥ The cogwheel next to your account names in launcher login allows you to map separate settings profiles to individual (or multiple) accounts.
4.) GÇ£Will third party launchers such as Rapid Light EVE Launcher continue to work?GÇ¥ While 3rd party launchers may continue to function, we do not support or advocate their use
5.) GÇ£The Launcher is vulnerable to DDOS whereas exefile is more resilientGÇ¥ While the old launcher was subject to load issues and network problems... *snip*
6.) GÇ£The new launcher throws up certificate issuesGÇ¥ We have an open defect for various certificate issues and hope to roll out a fix soon, but many certificate issues have already been addressed.
1.) Do you think it is fair to assume how everyone who had their accounts forgotten sporadically or frequently is using VPN? Because the few times on Tranquility (and the often times on Singularity) where it kept forgetting my accounts or the stored character name, I have not used a VPN and it definitely was not during the times you mentioned in bulletin 2. I would ask everyone in this thread to give specifics if they used a VPN in the cases the launcher forgot their logins.
2.) Have these purges been communicated through the launcher? I cannot remember any information about these four dates. If you have communicated them elsewhere, why did you? If you intend to make the launcher the only way of logging in, then you better improve the information flow. Twitter, Reddit, Facebook and whatnot are not the ways to communicate useful information. If you think otherwise, then you definitely should consider adding a mirrored twitter feed to the launcher or something. If you did not provide any information about the purges at all on any medium, why didn't you?
3.) The problem is, the exefile stores it's settings in a different location than the launcher does. If I would boot my client now through the exefile, all my ingame settings are default. I would have to change everything again. If I start the game via the launcher afterwards, all settings are where they belong. This might give me the hint about another reason why you want to get rid of the exefile, so you do not have multiple locations to worry about. Here is a problem though; The actual cache, including images, is to this day sitting in application data and there is nothing we can do about it. You should relocate them into shared cache. Not everyone wants their system drive to be bloated if it can be avoided.
4.) Why do you think third party launchers are out there? Could it be because they do the job better than your launcher? While I'm not going to pitch the usual "hire these folks" fit, I do make a point about how the mere existence of other Launchers should be concerning in itself.
5.) I'm not sure why you refer to the old launcher when you quoted the point of the exefile being more resilient to DDOS attacks. Was that a typo and you meant the old launcher, or did you make a context error and did not address the aforementioned exefile security?
6.) While I appreciate the option to get rid of certificate issues, how necessary is something like that? Admittedly my knowledge about certificates is limited so I don't know much about how often this needs to be done on a regular basis. What I do have to note is how Eve online is the only game / has the only launcher with this option I know of, and also with these problems. So that alone raises some questions. It's fine if you admit an open defect, but for how long has this defect now being allowed to survive? It appears it was around for quite some time, but I will stand corrected otherwise.
Zmaster BloodLust wrote:I understand why they are doing this... its to prevent people from loging 10 Alpha clone alts... Well you can't log in 10 Trials through the launcher, so I'm not sure this speculation holds any water. |
Raka Tokila
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2016.09.08 12:38:12 -
[173] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote: GÇ£The launcher forgets my accounts if I leave it open for too longGÇ¥ If you are logged in and subsequently enable a VPN connection, the SSO iframe fails and then forgets your accounts. We believe there may also be an issue with time passing or network connectivity loss that we are trying to narrow down to root cause(s). In the past we have forced the launcher to forget all accounts, for security reasons (and one deployment error). These purges occurred on: 25/11/15, 26/1/16, 8/2/16 and 20/6/16.
I need to relogin all my accounts every couple of days, sometimes daily. I don't use VPNs, so yes, there are still other issues. |
Vajra Zaitsez
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.09.08 13:00:34 -
[174] - Quote
Runiba Toll wrote:This is my FIRST post on forums,
When the game stops working for me I'm going to stop paying.
If the launcher stops working and I can't use the exefile.exe route the game has stopped working.
At that point I will limit my losses and find a new game Very simple, and having posted this, ALL are informed, players, CCP, and the NSA so they'll need to put a physical bug in my apartment once eve dies.
Runiba is only one of several whom have indicated they use the exe file. Many solo account players use it as a backup in event of launcher failure.
Based on CCP Dev posts it appears CCP is committed to this change.
The November Update was already chock full of new content, then surprise! CCP is bringing you Clone States. Next came a dizzying array of possible abuses most based on assumptions. Immediately after that we hear EvE.exe is being eliminated. It would seem that the exe elimination is in part being done as a way to mitigate potential Alpha Clone abuses.
The Clone states were supposed to be a way to gain new players. It looks like now they will be an attempt to recover what is about to be self inflicted losses.
The game economy and CCP EvE revenue is currently balanced on all of the players including to a large degree multiboxers.
Its worth considering that based on a 90 day re-sub rate, every 1000 accounts downsized or eliminated CCP will lose approximately $180,000.00 US revenue income each year on subs alone. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1771
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Posted - 2016.09.08 13:09:23 -
[175] - Quote
1. Did they assume that everyone who is having issues uses a VPN? My English isn't perfect but it's pretty good. I suggest you read it again
2. Do you think it's appropriate for developers to communicate every little tiny change or fix to the general public? They purged saved form information, they didn't leak your card details. Calm down bro.
3. This is done for redundancy. I'll take a little inconvenience for having my settings saved if I have to reinstall.
4. I don't know, because ccp is one the few companies that allow it? You don't see third party launchers for other games cause it's actually against EULA.
5 and 6 don't require my commentary |
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2302
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Posted - 2016.09.08 13:27:29 -
[176] - Quote
Anke Eyrou wrote:CCP Can you please ensure that when I put my computer to sleep the launcher does not lose my account information.
Raka Tokila wrote:I need to relogin all my accounts every couple of days, sometimes daily. I don't use VPNs, so yes, there are still other issues. If this happens consistently, please submit a bug report as I've described here, preferably right after it happens. If you then mail me the bug report number in-game, I can call the right people's attention to it.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
109
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Posted - 2016.09.08 13:50:48 -
[177] - Quote
THe only problem i've had with the new launcher is that the number of pilots on TQ fluctuates randomly at downtime always a positive number never 0 until downtime is almost over. But that's just something minor. |
Jynx Archipedigo
Tripoint Mercetile Rimrunners
1
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Posted - 2016.09.08 14:56:43 -
[178] - Quote
Seriously CCP, you got some weird things going on...
Couple months ago the in game browser was removed, understandable, maintaining browser support even if you can leech mozilla source code legally but is a security bug haven and PITA .. So when you click links/saved bookmarks client WAS giving a warning and opens your default browser. Until I notice yesterday BANG in game browser back when I tried using a previously saved BM in client. Kinda shocked me, don't know why it was back or if it was supposed to be back.
Now I'm guessing, and I could be wrong, it isn't supposed to be back and if that is the case it raises even stronger argument that there could be mismanagement in the build repositories and deployment. If you circle it back around to the thread's topic, if something that was supposed to and was removed somehow reappears. Why in the world should we as consumers be laid back about an aspect of the way the game works that has offered a work around to other issues frequent or infrequent as depending on the individuals experience. Running the exefile directly on an up to date patch virtually always works and quite frankly is quicker if you have previously quit the launcher and want to switch characters on the same account.
I'll stand corrected if it can be pointed out the browser was intentionally reinstated |
Forgotten N Forsaken
Mostly Sober The Bastard Cartel
40
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Posted - 2016.09.08 15:05:27 -
[179] - Quote
I never Use Vpn and the Launcher Forgets all my info the moment its closed. |
Xavier Arcesium
Dev Team Six
0
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Posted - 2016.09.08 15:16:46 -
[180] - Quote
Teinyhr wrote:Seeing as the launcher is somekind of mini-browser in itself, and IIRC has been infected with malware before, I have to seriously wonder and doubt how does this enhance account security in any way?
P.S. I have not used the client login system since how many years has it been we've had the launcher, just saying, I'm not buying the "improved security" thing at all.
Presuming they do it right, it's a way to prevent anything that isn't an official launcher to run exefile. That said, I hope the tradeoff is worth it. I have had a lot of trouble running the launcher myself and would hate to lose the workaround. |
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Jynx Archipedigo
Tripoint Mercetile Rimrunners
1
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Posted - 2016.09.08 16:15:20 -
[181] - Quote
Xavier Arcesium wrote:Teinyhr wrote:Seeing as the launcher is somekind of mini-browser in itself, and IIRC has been infected with malware before, I have to seriously wonder and doubt how does this enhance account security in any way?
P.S. I have not used the client login system since how many years has it been we've had the launcher, just saying, I'm not buying the "improved security" thing at all. Presuming they do it right, it's a way to prevent anything that isn't an official launcher to run exefile. That said, I hope the tradeoff is worth it. I have had a lot of trouble running the launcher myself and would hate to lose the workaround.
It is pretty much a done deal, I don't think I've ever seen CCP not do something they said they where gonna do, no matter the backlash. It will remain to be seen if it gets reversed or how many months after the fact. |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
56
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Posted - 2016.09.08 22:42:59 -
[182] - Quote
Jynx Archipedigo wrote: Until I notice yesterday BANG in game browser back when I tried using a previously saved BM in client. The ingame browser never went away. It will be removed this fall. The only things they did was change the default behaviour to open the system browser instead of the IGB. You can still open the IGB and browse to your leisure, or drag images into it. Just count the days you have left as long as you can do it, because it won't be long. |
Primary This Rifter
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
1210
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Posted - 2016.09.09 00:25:12 -
[183] - Quote
Assia Eko wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Assia Eko wrote:Hello,
I used to login through a SSH Tunnel that is installed on my main computer at home for security reasons, and in order to log in from places with unsafes connections (airport, train station, public wifi, work..)
I was using the /server:127.0.0.1 option in the shortlink to exefile.exe.
Will it still be possible to add such option to the executable via the launcher ?
Thank you,
Assia Just run a VPN from home. A lot of computers are protected from installing a TAP interface on them (like 99% of the public computers). Although they can run Putty (or any other SSH client) and the game can still be launched from a usb stick. So, my question is still the same, will it still be possible to add parameters to exefile.exe for it to connect to localhost, for instance. Thank you, Assia What about using a TUN interface? |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1778
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Posted - 2016.09.09 00:47:41 -
[184] - Quote
Jynx Archipedigo wrote:Seriously CCP, you got some weird things going on...
Couple months ago the in game browser was removed, understandable, maintaining browser support even if you can leech mozilla source code legally but is a security bug haven and PITA .. So when you click links/saved bookmarks client WAS giving a warning and opens your default browser. Until I notice yesterday BANG in game browser back when I tried using a previously saved BM in client. Kinda shocked me, don't know why it was back or if it was supposed to be back.
Now I'm guessing, and I could be wrong, it isn't supposed to be back and if that is the case it raises even stronger argument that there could be mismanagement in the build repositories and deployment. If you circle it back around to the thread's topic, if something that was supposed to and was removed somehow reappears. Why in the world should we as consumers be laid back about an aspect of the way the game works that has offered a work around to other issues frequent or infrequent as depending on the individuals experience. Running the exefile directly on an up to date patch virtually always works and quite frankly is quicker if you have previously quit the launcher and want to switch characters on the same account.
I'll stand corrected if it can be pointed out the browser was intentionally reinstated
More people who no idea what they're talking about complaining about things they don't understand...
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Jynx Archipedigo
Tripoint Mercetile Rimrunners
1
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Posted - 2016.09.09 01:50:11 -
[185] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:Jynx Archipedigo wrote:Seriously CCP, you got some weird things going on...
Couple months ago the in game browser was removed, understandable, maintaining browser support even if you can leech mozilla source code legally but is a security bug haven and PITA .. So when you click links/saved bookmarks client WAS giving a warning and opens your default browser. Until I notice yesterday BANG in game browser back when I tried using a previously saved BM in client. Kinda shocked me, don't know why it was back or if it was supposed to be back.
Now I'm guessing, and I could be wrong, it isn't supposed to be back and if that is the case it raises even stronger argument that there could be mismanagement in the build repositories and deployment. If you circle it back around to the thread's topic, if something that was supposed to and was removed somehow reappears. Why in the world should we as consumers be laid back about an aspect of the way the game works that has offered a work around to other issues frequent or infrequent as depending on the individuals experience. Running the exefile directly on an up to date patch virtually always works and quite frankly is quicker if you have previously quit the launcher and want to switch characters on the same account.
I'll stand corrected if it can be pointed out the browser was intentionally reinstated More people who no idea what they're talking about complaining about things they don't understand...
I do understand quite a bit, somethings in depth and breadth far exceeding anything I would be inclined to share or even be permitted to particularly involving PC gaming on this or mahny other forums. But as I had not used the bookmarks from accessories and only clicked on links appearing in chat. Hence the complete quantifiers in my statement, plus the concession I may have been mistaken in advance. Since I had already experienced the apparent first stage of a transition and had no reason to suspect that the full transition had not been executed since it wasn't a potentially system critical aspect of the client. All in all it doesn't detract from other statements I have made in regards to the matter at hand. My post postulated a viable premise against an assumption that I admitted could possibly be inaccurate and had the humility to question it myself. The quip in response was pointless and only demonstrates a lack of understanding in a different direction. The remainder of my post still can stand without the postulated return of the IGB when it was not removed but altered in advance of final removal. |
Henricks
9
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Posted - 2016.09.09 02:11:12 -
[186] - Quote
CCP,
WE DONT Use you're Launcher because we can not past our user name and passwords in to the fields, when we try to pin it too the launcher the next time we launch the launcher we have to retype the user name and passwords.....
This is way I use the EXEFILE................ Don't like wasting time on typing out my long passwords, and having to do it twice because I messed up, that just grrrrr
1:) FIX the launcher first, with the ability to past user name and passwords 2:) Let us have a windows lay out program from the launcher 3:) Then Remove the EVEFILE from the bin 4:) most everyone is happy :)
Just my thoughts
Henricks |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1783
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Posted - 2016.09.09 05:19:37 -
[187] - Quote
Jynx Archipedigo wrote:stuff
So instead you go on a rant with the basis being something completely false. Pretty much invalidating your entire post.
Also paragraphs bro. Use them
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1783
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Posted - 2016.09.09 05:21:06 -
[188] - Quote
Henricks wrote:CCP,
WE DONT Use you're Launcher because we can not past our user name and passwords in to the fields, when we try to pin it too the launcher the next time we launch the launcher we have to retype the user name and passwords.....
This is way I use the EXEFILE................ Don't like wasting time on typing out my long passwords, and having to do it twice because I messed up, that just grrrrr
1:) FIX the launcher first, with the ability to past user name and passwords 2:) Let us have a windows lay out program from the launcher 3:) Then Remove the EVEFILE from the bin 4:) most everyone is happy :)
Just my thoughts
Henricks
Who is 'WE'?
Pasting username and passwords has been disabled on multiple platforms (online banking for example) because it's a security risk. |
Airin Star
ATAC OTMOPO3OK B KOCMOCE. FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT STELLAR SYSTEMS
11
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Posted - 2016.09.09 07:27:43 -
[189] - Quote
I wonder if CCP point is "This new launcher is long to load, full of bugs, working by holidays, shows a lot of trash, have requirments higher then game, but sure you will like it." |
She11by
Big Boys Don't Cry Kids With Guns Alliance
6
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Posted - 2016.09.09 07:54:54 -
[190] - Quote
Launcher keep forgeting accounts and passwords 24\7 fix it PLZ |
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Tristanor
Majorum Gnavita In Industria
18
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Posted - 2016.09.09 08:16:28 -
[191] - Quote
quess what? Just logged in in the launcher and....all my account info (again) gone.... That is the reason I use isboxer....cause the launcher is broken now for months. So if you weant to leave us without the .exe, give us a launcher that just is working |
Tanalasin Saraki
Aesir Corp. Who Dares Wins.
3
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Posted - 2016.09.09 08:31:38 -
[192] - Quote
I'm actually beginning to wonder if any of these people complaining have thought that it might be down to one simple thing... like letting it have access through your firewall???
Sometimes it can be little things like that, that people seem to overlook.
Aesir Corp HR Officer - Keeping the CEO, XO and Corp updated with news.
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Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
56
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Posted - 2016.09.09 10:33:49 -
[193] - Quote
Jynx Archipedigo wrote:Hence the complete quantifiers in my statement, plus the concession I may have been mistaken in advance. Is there a reason why you completely ignored the explanation I've given you and decided to answer in wide swaths to a later post containing a snappy remark which didn't even answer your question? Just wondering. |
Jynx Archipedigo
Tripoint Mercetile Rimrunners
1
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Posted - 2016.09.09 13:17:12 -
[194] - Quote
Drazz Caylen wrote:Jynx Archipedigo wrote: Until I notice yesterday BANG in game browser back when I tried using a previously saved BM in client. The ingame browser never went away. It will be removed this fall. The only things they did was change the default behaviour to open the system browser instead of the IGB. You can still open the IGB and browse to your leisure, or drag images into it. Just count the days you have left as long as you can do it, because it won't be long.
I quoted backed to this instead of the following quotes of quotes posts, it was appreciated. As I did request to be corrected if I had made faults in my observation since I wasn't 100%. I did not intend to gloss over you correction and thoughts on the IGB portion of one of my previous posts. My interaction to the IGB was usually to seeing it open, when double clicking links. After the time it was stated it was being removed my experience was it gave a pop up and launched a tab in my default browser. Even for a couple bm's in accessories that previously opened with the IGB. It was the Eve-Survival bm that opened with the IGB that surprised me, since other bm's and links had opened externally until that specific instance worked.
It was not surprising to receive quoted comments about the aspects I called into question and why if the situation as observed could have been caused with other(s) devaluing the entire comment as lacking any insight. Even when I proposed it as conditional based on an observation for the more detailed why it could have happened and how it relates to topic at hand it true.
So in a nutshell, thank you for giving me the correction, plus added thank you for understanding the premise behind my thought. Especially when others find it so easy to be grammar faciasts and respond in clever little quips |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
56
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Posted - 2016.09.09 13:51:46 -
[195] - Quote
Jynx Archipedigo wrote:It was the Eve-Survival bm that opened with the IGB that surprised me, since other bm's and links had opened externally until that specific instance worked. This really is curious if you consider how even bookmarking the default website (evegate) and clicking it from elsewhere prompts the outgame browser. Btw, thanks for the explanation of your reasoning, and you're right. Funky cats left-right-n-center, eh /) |
Edd Cobon-Han
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.09.09 14:00:55 -
[196] - Quote
removing the possiblility to start via the exefile brings a big problem for all those who used to play on their laptop with dual VGA
If you have a combo like me (Nvidia GTX 860 + Intel HD 4600) you hardly NEED the exefile , otherwise you can only play with dat damn Intel HD grafucks and this is no fun |
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2302
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Posted - 2016.09.09 14:41:38 -
[197] - Quote
Edd Cobon-Han wrote:removing the possiblility to start via the exefile brings a big problem for all those who used to play on their laptop with dual VGA If you have a combo like me (Nvidia GTX 860 + Intel HD 4600) you hardly NEED the exefile , otherwise you can only play with dat damn Intel HD grafucks and this is no fun With dual-GPU systems, in some instances Windows will report the integrated GPU even when the discrete GPU is actually in use. In those cases, Eve may display the wrong GPU name in the graphics options window, but you may still be using the correct GPU. I would use the frame rate viewer (ctrl-F in-game) to see if you are actually experiencing a frame rate drop when, say, unplugged vs. plugged in.
Can you use the in-game tool (press the F12 key and click Report Bug) to file a bug report that explains why the launcher doesn't work for you? This will give us a complete snapshot of your system, and we can investigate the behavior on a similar system here. Be very specific in your report what steps you're taking to select the GPU. Please feel free to mail me the bug report number once it's submitted.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
515
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Posted - 2016.09.09 18:45:43 -
[198] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:
Can you use the in-game tool (press the F12 key and click Report Bug) to file a bug report that explains why the launcher doesn't work for you?
So we have to log in with a launcher that doesn't work, to tell you that the launcher doesn't work.
I suppose that the next patch notes will be displayed prominently.
GÇ¥But the patch notes were on display . . . GÇ¥ - CCP GÇ¥On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar in CCP headquaters to find them.GÇ¥ - Customer GÇ¥ThatGÇÖs the display department.GÇ¥ - CCP GÇ¥With a flashlight.GÇ¥ - Customer GÇ¥Ah, well the lights had probably gone.GÇ¥ - CCP GÇ¥So had the stairs.GÇ¥ - Customer GÇ¥But look, you found the patch notes didnGÇÖt you?GÇ¥ - CCP GÇ¥Yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying Beware of the Leopard.GÇ¥ - Customer
"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
6177
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Posted - 2016.09.09 18:56:23 -
[199] - Quote
https://community.eveonline.com/support/submit-bug-report for submitting bugs out of client.
doing it _in_ client means CCP gets more information. (as at least some of the people are saying that they can't use the launcher, so they're obviously using the exefile atm.)
Aside from that, the response wasn't in a 'launcher doesn't work' report. it was in a 'launcher started programs don't cause the second GPU on my laptop' report
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Old IT Guy
Geriatric Capsuleers Inc
0
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Posted - 2016.09.09 19:53:30 -
[200] - Quote
Personally, I'd like to know how we're supposed to launch the game with no EXEFile when the launcher INEVITABLY breaks again.
Curious minds, and all that. |
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Muul Udonii
THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two
158
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Posted - 2016.09.09 20:16:09 -
[201] - Quote
This will literally stop me playing the game.
The new launcher does not work and CCP have ignored all bug reports I filed.
Guess I should not have resubbed an account yesterday since I'll only get another 12 days of play out of it. |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
58
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Posted - 2016.09.09 20:43:06 -
[202] - Quote
I see nothing wrong with CCP Darwin's statement. I don't know about you guys, but Edd Cobon-Han stated how playing on Intel HD graphics is not fun. This infers he actually gets into the game via the launcher and only uses the exefile to make sure his dedicated GPU gets to work. All the hyperboles thrown by later users about how to boot something which doesn't work in order to fix something seems to be a lack of reading comprehension. I stand corrected if the written context differs from the explicit meaning. |
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2302
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Posted - 2016.09.09 23:20:55 -
[203] - Quote
Muul Udonii wrote:CCP have ignored all bug reports I filed. Please do not assume this is the case.
Unfortunately, our current bug reporting system doesn't give you a lot of visibility into what's happening internally with your report, and we do not guarantee a personal response to bug reports (since, unlike support tickets, bug reports are not for requests for personal help.)
Your bug reports are quite valuable to us, and we very much appreciate that you take the time to write and submit them.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1793
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Posted - 2016.09.10 01:40:13 -
[204] - Quote
Drazz Caylen wrote:Jynx Archipedigo wrote:Hence the complete quantifiers in my statement, plus the concession I may have been mistaken in advance. Is there a reason why you completely ignored the explanation I've given you and decided to answer in wide swaths to a later post containing a snappy remark which didn't even answer your question? Just wondering. Tsukino Stareine wrote:Also paragraphs bro. Use them Before executing superficial low blows, make sure your own grammar is in check Tsukino Stareine wrote:More people who no idea what they're talking about complaining about things they don't understand...
Wasn't a stab at the guys grammar it was a plea for my eyes.
Don't be so quick to be anti-grammar nazi, just makes you look like a fool when it backfires |
0mni Ca
Shattered Chaos Angry Raccoons
57
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Posted - 2016.09.10 02:36:12 -
[205] - Quote
What about the known Launcher bug preventing accounts from being remembered. Basically accounts get removed from launcher and you have to readd them back to launcher. So if you have more than 1 account, it can be aggravating. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1795
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Posted - 2016.09.10 02:43:10 -
[206] - Quote
I have multiple accounts and it's literally happened like twice in 6 months, from those purges that they told us happened |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3934
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Posted - 2016.09.10 02:43:50 -
[207] - Quote
CCP Darwin wrote:Muul Udonii wrote:CCP have ignored all bug reports I filed. Please do not assume this is the case. We are not assuming anything. We base this conclusion on one very observable fact:
The bugs do not get fixed.
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Dravar
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.09.10 04:01:03 -
[208] - Quote
The exefile is just needed as a backup because CCP keeps butchering the launcher when changing it and is too incompetent to test the new launcher thoroughly before releasing it. |
Nakaara Adahsa
Deep Void Enterprises
24
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Posted - 2016.09.10 09:05:03 -
[209] - Quote
Tanalasin Saraki wrote:I'm actually beginning to wonder if any of these people complaining have thought that it might be down to one simple thing... like letting it have access through your firewall???
Sometimes it can be little things like that, that people seem to overlook.
Most of the people on this thread who have reported login issues via the launcher have described it as either sporadic or intermittent with high frequency, i.e., anywhere from a small to large percentage of the time. Firewall configuration issues usually manifest at a 100% failure rate, so that's not consistent with these launcher symptoms.
However, if the firewall is embedded in router hardware, then it is quite possible that either routing-related configuration or a hardware malfunction could cause periodic login failures. In this case, though, I would expect a lot of other internet applications to have periodic or perhaps constant problems.
A number of months ago I had an old hardware-based firewall that began to degrade bandwidth, drop packets, etc. This didn't cause any problems for EVE actually, but some streaming applications were severely affected until I replaced the hardware.
The latter is a positive data point for EVE: I had a customer-side network issue that both the launcher and the game client were able to handle OK without any apparent effect on either login or the game.
The launcher login issues I've experienced are separate from the above incident. They occurred long before that hardware began to malfunction, and they persisted after I replaced it. Login via Exefile has been reliable for me throughout all of this and for several years of playing the game. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1797
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Posted - 2016.09.10 10:28:11 -
[210] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:Muul Udonii wrote:CCP have ignored all bug reports I filed. Please do not assume this is the case. We are not assuming anything. We base this conclusion on one very observable fact: The bugs that I feel need to be fixed first are not fixed yet
Ftfy
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Warlord Balrog
303rd X-SOLDIER
5
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Posted - 2016.09.10 12:05:48 -
[211] - Quote
Dravar wrote:The exefile is just needed as a backup because CCP keeps butchering the launcher when changing it, making groups of people unable to play, and is too incompetent to test the new launcher thoroughly before releasing it.
Hypothetically speaking, you design something new. Now you think you're ready to release it to the public. What's a better testing platform:
Hire 5 people and have them do all the work -or- Release a beta to the public (millions of people) and see if they find more bugs.
Which will be quicker? Which will produce more bug reports? Which will be more accurate? Which will cover more platforms and hardware?
So, by assuming no testing is being done, you just considered yourself a moot point. I'm not personally attacking you, just pointing out an unrecognized fact.
As far as holding off the exefile change. This is a 50/50 shot. One one hand, it gives those who exploit security the upper hand, but also reduces playerbase. One the other hand, those who have patience to stick around with a game they claim to love and still have the passion to argue over will be more secure, and less people can steal your belongings. Which reduces on support and security tracking down more thefts.
So I ask you and everyone else this: Would you rather put all your (assets) eggs in one basket and hope nobody finds it, or stand up for your game by properly submitting a bug report as CCP suggested and worse case scenario, you don't sub for a month? |
Emrys Alf
Seagull Fleet DRONE WALKERS
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Posted - 2016.09.10 13:49:28 -
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Came on today and back to 0 on a windows machine.. carefully put in 10 accounts and they are all gone. 20 min of wasted time that needs to be repeated and leaves a worry that it will happen again. |
Dravar
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2016.09.10 14:11:37 -
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Warlord Balrog wrote:Dravar wrote:The exefile is just needed as a backup because CCP keeps butchering the launcher when changing it, making groups of people unable to play, and is too incompetent to test the new launcher thoroughly before releasing it. Hypothetically speaking, you design something new. Now you think you're ready to release it to the public. What's a better testing platform: Hire 5 people and have them do all the work -or- Release a beta to the public (millions of people) and see if they find more bugs. Which will be quicker? Which will produce more bug reports? Which will be more accurate? Which will cover more platforms and hardware? So, by assuming no testing is being done, you just considered yourself a moot point. I'm not personally attacking you, just pointing out an unrecognized fact. As far as holding off the exefile change. This is a 50/50 shot. One one hand, it gives those who exploit security the upper hand, but also reduces playerbase. One the other hand, those who have patience to stick around with a game they claim to love and still have the passion to argue over will be more secure, and less people can steal your belongings. Which reduces on support and security tracking down more thefts. So I ask you and everyone else this: Would you rather put all your (assets) eggs in one basket and hope nobody finds it, or stand up for your game by properly submitting a bug report as CCP suggested and worse case scenario, you don't sub for a month?
If what you say is what they are actually doing and they are intentionally releasing buggy launcher versions so that their customers will test it for them, then it only makes sense to have an alternative in case it breaks.
By the way, imagine if all game developers adopted this mentality and everyone just started to release their software full of bugs because their paying customers will take care of finding the bugs. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1806
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Posted - 2016.09.10 14:40:26 -
[214] - Quote
Dravar wrote:Warlord Balrog wrote:Dravar wrote:The exefile is just needed as a backup because CCP keeps butchering the launcher when changing it, making groups of people unable to play, and is too incompetent to test the new launcher thoroughly before releasing it. Hypothetically speaking, you design something new. Now you think you're ready to release it to the public. What's a better testing platform: Hire 5 people and have them do all the work -or- Release a beta to the public (millions of people) and see if they find more bugs. Which will be quicker? Which will produce more bug reports? Which will be more accurate? Which will cover more platforms and hardware? So, by assuming no testing is being done, you just considered yourself a moot point. I'm not personally attacking you, just pointing out an unrecognized fact. As far as holding off the exefile change. This is a 50/50 shot. One one hand, it gives those who exploit security the upper hand, but also reduces playerbase. One the other hand, those who have patience to stick around with a game they claim to love and still have the passion to argue over will be more secure, and less people can steal your belongings. Which reduces on support and security tracking down more thefts. So I ask you and everyone else this: Would you rather put all your (assets) eggs in one basket and hope nobody finds it, or stand up for your game by properly submitting a bug report as CCP suggested and worse case scenario, you don't sub for a month? If what you say is what they are actually doing and they are intentionally releasing buggy launcher versions so that their customers will test it for them, then it only makes sense to have an alternative in case it breaks. By the way, imagine if all game developers adopted the mentality that you suggest and everyone just started to release their software full of bugs because their paying customers will take care of finding the bugs.
Erm there's this thing called early access, not sure if you heard of it..... |
Vasili Zaitsez
Malleus Clusores Brothers of Tangra
6
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Posted - 2016.09.10 15:03:22 -
[215] - Quote
Dravar: "The exefile is just needed as a backup..." in the event of unforeseen failure Seems to be a lot of agreement here
Warlord Balrog: "Hypothetically speaking, you design something new. Now you think you're ready to release it to the public. What's a better testing platform:
Hire 5 people and have them do all the work -or- Release a beta to the public (millions of people) and see if they find more bugs.
Which will be quicker? Which will produce more bug reports? Which will be more accurate? Which will cover more platforms and hardware?" This is not a hypothetical, its a fact. MicroShaft did this with Win10 while results were shall we say, mixed, Win10 was FREE
"As far as holding off the exefile change. This is a 50/50 shot. One one hand, it gives those who exploit security the upper hand, but also reduces playerbase. One the other hand, those who have patience to stick around with a game they claim to love and still have the passion to argue over will be more secure, and less people can steal your belongings. Which reduces on support and security tracking down more thefts." Deleting exe file is not a 50/50, its a 100% shutout for those whom it does not work. No matter how much passion or love for EvE you may have, when you cant get in, you cant get in, end of story
"So I ask you and everyone else this: Would you rather put all your (assets) eggs in one basket and hope nobody finds it, or stand up for your game by properly submitting a bug report as CCP suggested and worse case scenario, you don't sub for a month?" This not the worst case, its actually best case.
You want me to be your bug tester? Glad to do it! Allow me to register my accounts as Beta/Dev accounts. Give me free Omega access to the accounts as long as I am debugging for you. You can expect detailed bug reports from me on a regular basis
Don't play on gamers loyalty to this game with the expectation that they will pay full subscription price for interrupted service and cheerfully provide constant bug reports on those occasions they actually get in.
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GeeBee
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
123
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Posted - 2016.09.10 16:47:06 -
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how about adding some of the security features to the exefile.exe launch and leave it as an option?
I downloaded the new launcher today and saw the news there. I prefer using the *launchers* to patch which is to me what their intended feature is. I run dual monitors in fullscreen windowed mode and bypassing the launchers is the best way to use both monitors quickly and easily without headache.
Also as a veteran player there is a lot of nostalgia from this type of launching, the login screen is nearly the same as when i first started playing back in 2005. Scrapping this type of login rather than updating it is sad and insulting. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
6177
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Posted - 2016.09.10 16:59:26 -
[217] - Quote
GeeBee wrote:how about adding some of the security features to the exefile.exe launch and leave it as an option?
I downloaded the new launcher today and saw the news there. I prefer using the *launchers* to patch which is to me what their intended feature is. I run dual monitors in fullscreen windowed mode and bypassing the launchers is the best way to use both monitors quickly and easily without headache.
Also as a veteran player there is a lot of nostalgia from this type of launching, the login screen is nearly the same as when i first started playing back in 2005. Scrapping this type of login rather than updating it is sad and insulting.
umm, to run in full screen mode with two seperate accounts:
start the launcher. log in with both accounts.
(the next few steps are done once) hit the cog on the line for one of the accounts. pick 'manage profiles' create a new profile. Maybe rename your profiles (like 'left screen' and 'right screen') close the manage profile window. Using the cog on each account, pick the profile you want. Start an account. Set it up (on the correct screen). Exit. Start the second account. Set it up (on the correct screen) exit.
Then, when you start accounts, it'll start them on the screen you want.
If you've already got the profiles created from the exe file, you may see them on the left hand side, under 'migrate old accounts'. If so, select them, and hit copy. you'll probably want to rename them. That saves redoing the configuration.
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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HeXxploiT
Little Red X
235
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Posted - 2016.09.10 18:13:28 -
[218] - Quote
You guys really suck. This will mean yet again about 5 hours of work per account to fix all my quickbar items, links and settings. And of course the launcher still looks crappy and unifinished having some items obscuring others which means we'll do this all yet again a year from now.
You guys really need to learn the value of simplicity & intuitiveness. |
Muul Udonii
THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two
159
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Posted - 2016.09.10 20:49:45 -
[219] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:Muul Udonii wrote:CCP have ignored all bug reports I filed. Please do not assume this is the case. We are not assuming anything. We base this conclusion on one very observable fact: The bugs do not get fixed.
+1. The launcher STILL fails for me.
And yes, I submitted all logs, and even petitioned it when I thought removing the old launcher support would mean i could no longer patch. Fortunately the old launcher still patches and I can use the EXEFILE to launch the game. |
enotsmirb
Ezekiel 25 17
4
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Posted - 2016.09.11 03:56:43 -
[220] - Quote
Well let me tell you what happened today with your launcher!
I logged in and my resolution was completely wrong and caused me monitor to go black due to out of sync refresh. I managed to reboot and after screwing with it 3 more times I got in with no sync issues. I am in the middle of clearing out a den in my faction ship and I suddenly lose control of my ship ( launchers wouldn't launch shield boosters wouldn't boost). I lost my ship. 1 bill gone because of your launcher.
Seems your launcher decided after I was already in the game to verify all of the game files using all 12.1Mbps of my internet bandwidth... The game launcher caused it's own program to lag out for christ sake!
Re-think this Your stand alone launcher is not ready. In my case the launcher didn't even check to make sure the client was not running before verifying files. Also why would any launcher/updater not have a qos (quality of service) to ensure it does not use 100% bandwidth? All I can say is good luck because "ain't nobody got time for that"! |
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Nakaara Adahsa
Deep Void Enterprises
24
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Posted - 2016.09.11 04:25:48 -
[221] - Quote
enotsmirb wrote:Well let me tell you what happened today with your launcher!
I logged in and my resolution was completely wrong and caused me monitor to go black due to out of sync refresh. I managed to reboot and after screwing with it 3 more times I got in with no sync issues. I am in the middle of clearing out a den in my faction ship and I suddenly lose control of my ship ( launchers wouldn't launch shield boosters wouldn't boost). I lost my ship. 1 bill gone because of your launcher.
Seems your launcher decided after I was already in the game to verify all of the game files using all 12.1Mbps of my internet bandwidth... The game launcher caused it's own program to lag out for christ sake!
Re-think this Your stand alone launcher is not ready. In my case the launcher didn't even check to make sure the client was not running before verifying files. Also why would any launcher/updater not have a qos (quality of service) to ensure it does not use 100% bandwidth? All I can say is good luck because "ain't nobody got time for that"!
That is some seriously messed-up launcher behavior. Looks like CCP is shipping us barely baked alpha-level code.
To CCP devs: please man up and admit to your managers that the new launcher just isn't ready yet for something as dangerous as removing login via Exefile. They will find out the truth eventually, but if you are honest with them now you might be able to avoid losing more customers. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1814
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Posted - 2016.09.11 04:39:25 -
[222] - Quote
enotsmirb wrote:Well let me tell you what happened today with your launcher!
I logged in and my resolution was completely wrong and caused me monitor to go black due to out of sync refresh. I managed to reboot and after screwing with it 3 more times I got in with no sync issues. I am in the middle of clearing out a den in my faction ship and I suddenly lose control of my ship ( launchers wouldn't launch shield boosters wouldn't boost). I lost my ship. 1 bill gone because of your launcher.
Seems your launcher decided after I was already in the game to verify all of the game files using all 12.1Mbps of my internet bandwidth... The game launcher caused it's own program to lag out for christ sake!
Re-think this Your stand alone launcher is not ready. In my case the launcher didn't even check to make sure the client was not running before verifying files. Also why would any launcher/updater not have a qos (quality of service) to ensure it does not use 100% bandwidth? All I can say is good luck because "ain't nobody got time for that"!
Because verifying files uses bandwidth...... |
enotsmirb
Ezekiel 25 17
5
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Posted - 2016.09.11 04:52:26 -
[223] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:enotsmirb wrote:Well let me tell you what happened today with your launcher!
I logged in and my resolution was completely wrong and caused me monitor to go black due to out of sync refresh. I managed to reboot and after screwing with it 3 more times I got in with no sync issues. I am in the middle of clearing out a den in my faction ship and I suddenly lose control of my ship ( launchers wouldn't launch shield boosters wouldn't boost). I lost my ship. 1 bill gone because of your launcher.
Seems your launcher decided after I was already in the game to verify all of the game files using all 12.1Mbps of my internet bandwidth... The game launcher caused it's own program to lag out for christ sake!
Re-think this Your stand alone launcher is not ready. In my case the launcher didn't even check to make sure the client was not running before verifying files. Also why would any launcher/updater not have a qos (quality of service) to ensure it does not use 100% bandwidth? All I can say is good luck because "ain't nobody got time for that"! Because verifying files uses bandwidth......
I know right ! I was as shocked as you but sure enough it does. 12.1 Mbps I thought it was downloading an update but it wasn't just verifying. Ps I work for Rexnord corp as a Network admin 17 years. I'm not a software guy but I do know bandwith |
Nakaara Adahsa
Deep Void Enterprises
24
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Posted - 2016.09.11 05:02:01 -
[224] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:enotsmirb wrote:Well let me tell you what happened today with your launcher!
I logged in and my resolution was completely wrong and caused me monitor to go black due to out of sync refresh. I managed to reboot and after screwing with it 3 more times I got in with no sync issues. I am in the middle of clearing out a den in my faction ship and I suddenly lose control of my ship ( launchers wouldn't launch shield boosters wouldn't boost). I lost my ship. 1 bill gone because of your launcher.
Seems your launcher decided after I was already in the game to verify all of the game files using all 12.1Mbps of my internet bandwidth... The game launcher caused it's own program to lag out for christ sake!
Re-think this Your stand alone launcher is not ready. In my case the launcher didn't even check to make sure the client was not running before verifying files. Also why would any launcher/updater not have a qos (quality of service) to ensure it does not use 100% bandwidth? All I can say is good luck because "ain't nobody got time for that"! Because verifying files uses bandwidth......
It depends on how it's implemented, and whether or not that implementation is correct. If during verification it thought it was finding files or resources that were out-of-date or missing, it might very well be downloading them.
It's hard to tell from the outside with no access to the code, but there are a lot of ways to get functionality like this wrong. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1814
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Posted - 2016.09.11 05:07:38 -
[225] - Quote
You might know bandwidth but I'm not sure your reasoning is sound.
Verifying files is a disk usage heavy process as it checks files using a scanning tool and using parity logic to determine whether or not you have 100% file integrity. The only part that would ever take any bandwidth would be the final check at the end to sync with the server and any missing files needed.
Unless this was a fresh install and you were literally forcing the game to download vital assets while you were playing.
And as a network admin, you don't set any kind of QOS or bandwidth caps to deal with such eventualities?
I know some ISPs provide what might as well be a brick in terms of a router (mine certainly does) and refuses to let you use your own so I can totally understand of those functions aren't available to you. |
enotsmirb
Ezekiel 25 17
5
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Posted - 2016.09.11 05:58:32 -
[226] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:You might know bandwidth but I'm not sure your reasoning is sound.
Verifying files is a disk usage heavy process as it checks files using a scanning tool and using parity logic to determine whether or not you have 100% file integrity. The only part that would ever take any bandwidth would be the final check at the end to sync with the server and any missing files needed.
Unless this was a fresh install and you were literally forcing the game to download vital assets while you were playing.
And as a network admin, you don't set any kind of QOS or bandwidth caps to deal with such eventualities?
I know some ISPs provide what might as well be a brick in terms of a router (mine certainly does) and refuses to let you use your own so I can totally understand of those functions aren't available to you.
SIr or Madam, ? As far as your statement to using a scanning tool and parity logic... huh? You are over complicating it. The launcher got hung on the very first file it tried to verify ....why because it was in use by the game EXE. So it went into a loop thinking the file was bad or couldnt be deleted/replaced (my assumption) so yes it was trying to download.The launcher said it was verifying. It's real simple to check your bandwidth usage if you have a baseline it's called .... wait for it.... Windows Task manager! It's so advanced and has so, sooo much parity logic stuffs !!! In all fairness the log is huge and has 30-40k lines stating some variation of :
"C:/ProgramData/CCP/EVE/SharedCache//ResFiles/de/dec35e7da6b7aafe_2f17b3e9c4357fc4062f504bea11a017" 2016-09-10T17:27:09.295ZdefaultdebugCouldn't delete"
I think you just like to pick at the wound that was my destroyed soul, I mean FACTION FIT CRUSIER. But tanks for the debate/argument it inspired me to read a 4 megabyte txt file at 2am. sadly the software launcher is still not ready to stand on its own.
P.s I use a Cisco enterprise router 3 generations newer than any equipment comcast has. (because it was free) |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1815
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Posted - 2016.09.11 06:05:24 -
[227] - Quote
I think that's more permission issues rather than what you might think it is.
I run a 8mbit down connection and leave my launcher open when playing and ever experienced such a bandwidth hog like that.
But since you have a decent router, why not set up some QoS rules to prevent this from happening again? |
enotsmirb
Ezekiel 25 17
5
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Posted - 2016.09.11 06:22:56 -
[228] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:I think that's more permission issues rather than what you might think it is.
I run a 8mbit down connection and leave my launcher open when playing and never experienced such a bandwidth hog like that.
But since you have a decent router, why not set up some QoS rules to prevent this from happening again?
if a file is in use its locked and inaccessible to outside programs in this case the launcher in about 99% of all cases... you are missing the point again... The G-damn launcher did not know the client was running = loss of ship
Why I no set up Qos on Cisco router for my wow/eve/porn computer? ...Because its Cisco IOS ! I like you, I really do but stop talking now. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1820
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Posted - 2016.09.11 08:25:27 -
[229] - Quote
So you think that because it was trying to delete a file it couldn't....lead to it attempting to download the same file over and over?
Doesn't make sense bro
And get a better router! |
Nakaara Adahsa
Deep Void Enterprises
24
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Posted - 2016.09.11 11:05:26 -
[230] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:So you think that because it was trying to delete a file it couldn't....lead to it attempting to download the same file over and over?
Doesn't make sense bro
And get a better router!
When software errors are involved, there are any number of possible behaviors that could be occurring that manifest as a particular set of symptoms. Many of them won't make sense until one identifies the root cause(s).
It's not our responsibility as customers to come up with explanations that completely make sense. That's the duty of CCP, as well as to ship software that actually works reliably. Stop trying to blame the customer for CCP's failures and general incompetence. |
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enotsmirb
Ezekiel 25 17
5
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Posted - 2016.09.11 13:20:00 -
[231] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:So you think that because it was trying to delete a file it couldn't....lead to it attempting to download the same file over and over?
Doesn't make sense bro
And get a better router!
You are more than welcome to diagnose my computer software related issues with your godlike Omnipresent, Omnipotent, and Omniscient abilities from the comfort of your own domicile. I am 100% sure you don't need log files and timestamps, error messages, and or even 1 more single clue related to this isolated incident. To conclude ...
No I never said it tried to download the same file over and over. What I wrote was "it went into a loop thinking the file was bad or couldn't be deleted/replaced" The assumption is that the launcher began to repair the client while it was running. Hence the excerpt I referred to(copy N paste) in the logfile.
The problem with your reply arguments is that your only affirmative assumptions you make is that my reasoning isn't sound or the issue is not what I think it is. Or I need a better router...
This thread is not intended to be an episode of mystery diagnosis. The only absolute fact here is **** be broke, **** need be fixed.... Please don't take my sunshine away ((x86)\CCP\EVE\bin\exefile)....
And my enterprise router retails for more than 80% of the cars on the road today and requires a CCNA CCNP skill set that in itself can cost more than most cars on the road today. Bro do you even Cisco? |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1824
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Posted - 2016.09.11 14:32:22 -
[232] - Quote
I don't thong th-thong thong thong no but I know a router with no QoS functionality is a bad router
Or maybe you just don't know how to configure it. Probably more likely if it cost that much.
Your assumptions make no sense, inability to delete a file would not trigger any downloading, inability to FIND a file might
Assuming that 'it's all broked ' can just end up in infinite possibilities. Maybe the office cat walked over the keyboard during bug testing. Have you ever heard of the phrase: " when you hear hooves, think horses not zebras"?
Very relevant in the world of any profession that requires any kind of diagnosis, network engineering falling well within that category. |
Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2998
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Posted - 2016.09.11 15:02:44 -
[233] - Quote
Why doesn't hitting Enter enter my password in the launcher?
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
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Vasili Zaitsez
Malleus Clusores Brothers of Tangra
7
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Posted - 2016.09.11 16:26:41 -
[234] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine
It seems that you have a considerable amount of Network Engineering knowledge and skill. While I am not as skilled as you appear to be, I am able to follow your comments. You may well be in a niche minority within this community. The advanced skills you demonstrate, the vast majority of this group does not seem to have. I mean no offense to anyone here.
Suggesting that persons access and configure or even "...get a better router!" implies that your audience is as proficient both technically and financially as you seem to be. That does not appear to be the case.
Wether players have the skills or not, we as the end user/consumer should not have to make fixes to accommodate a product or service we purchase (or subscribe to). We deserve a complete and working product. It is in CCPs best financial interest to provide and maintain a working product and maintain at least a generation of legacy compatibility to bring existing clients along.
Issues here are an array of legacy problems, configuration problems, hardware inadequacies and others. With no exe file as an alternate entry, those who are experiencing launcher problems will simply be shut out of the game during times of launcher failure.
I don't imagine it will take very many launcher failures to cause un-subbing.
I personally am very fortunate to have a mid level computer system, a fiber connection and almost no problems with the launcher. I will easily be able to continue this game. As it turns out, most of my corp is having success with the launcher too.
I think it is critical to the health of EvE to bring along as many as possible. Deleting the exe file now will simply exclude many from playing.
Thank you for sharing your experience and advice with us. Those who have skills comparable to you can capitalize on the information you provide.
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warbds
Stoli Holdings
14
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Posted - 2016.09.11 17:03:20 -
[235] - Quote
I hope you make it possible to run 2 launchers otherwise I will get the downloads of 10Gb each time one of my nephews plays on my pc.
That works as follows each of them has an account.
They can't do anything on my disks (just enough rights to be able to log in) The each have a disk with an installation of EVE on it full rights there. This disk they can take them with them when they go home and they do. On one of my disks I have a double installation of EVE works better as a single instalation still does!! When I log into Eve and a disk is or was inserted in my pc, I will get a 10 Gb or more download.
Why well simple the launcher thinks it needs to reconfigure after they logged in because of the shared ******* cache . No they will not get more rights!
I even play Eve or any other game with limmited rights. I can only see that game dir and a few other folders.
If not well I will end my subsription. No none will hget my stuff |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1830
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Posted - 2016.09.11 17:11:05 -
[236] - Quote
There is an art to being passive aggressive and you sir have yet much to learn in its ways.
The 'get a better router!' I thought was clearly a joke, I do in fact work with Cisco routers on a daily basis and while not an expert can definitely tell you that most if not all have some kind of QoS functionality available to them. I only responded in such a way to one particular person because Mr CCNA stepped up to the plate. Of course I would not ask a regular person to crack into firmware of a router.
As to the rest of your post, I reiterate: CCP has no obligation to continue to support legacy and fringe systems. It does not make economic sense. They in fact have done more to make this game compatible than any other company I have ever had the misfortune to part my money with. Most companies just update their minimum requirements and tell you to shove it.
Keeping your equipment functioning and up to date is your OWN responsibility, can you seriously ask developers to somehow cover the situation where someone has not updated their video drivers in over a year in their coding? Of course not. The developers have an outstanding amount of resources available to them to cover as much as they possibly can, but it's not going to catch everyone. That's just cold harsh truth.
While I agree with you that having as many people able to log in to the game as possible is a good thing, you have failed to see the other side of this which is the fact that to even keep this game alive you need to be efficient with how you distribute your resources. Having tech support pick up tons of service tickets all about problems on decade old machines and unofficial ways of logging on is a waste of time and money in the long term.
Standardising platforms allows huge cost savings which can be then diverted into other MUCH more important areas of the game, like more content and improving the interface or CREST or any number of things that will make the game much better without being shackled to a 3rd party multi boxing program that CCP neither has control or influence on.
All in all I think people having problems with their launcher, most of it is PEBKAC with a few genuine instances where something may be up. |
enotsmirb
Ezekiel 25 17
5
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Posted - 2016.09.11 17:14:22 -
[237] - Quote
[quote=Tsukino Stareine]I don't thong th-thong thong thong no but I know a router with no QoS functionality is a bad router
Or maybe you just don't know how to configure it. Probably more likely if it cost that much.
It does have QoS functionality you bone head it's a Cisco ENTERPRISE ROUTER! For Bob's sake you just don't get that setting up Qos on a single client home network with enterprise equipment is like going squirrel (small rodent like mammal) hunting with a Lahti L-39 (anti-tank gun).
I don't know how to configure it? 17 years ass hat, 17 years....
This has been so much fun. +1 to get rid of the 100% fully functional stable tried and tested decade old launcher because Qos. (sarcasm) |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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I wasn't suggesting anyone else do that, just you because you're capable of it.
Also that QoS sure would have helped you not lose that billion isk whatever right ;)?
Maybe that squirrel is secretly a cyborg and that anti tank gun might not be such a bad idea
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enotsmirb
Ezekiel 25 17
5
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Posted - 2016.09.11 17:37:25 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:There is an art to being passive aggressive and you sir have yet much to learn in its ways.
The 'get a better router!' I thought was clearly a joke, I do in fact work with Cisco routers on a daily basis and while not an expert can definitely tell you that most if not all have some kind of QoS functionality available to them. I only responded in such a way to one particular person because Mr CCNA stepped up to the plate. Of course I would not ask a regular person to crack into firmware of a router.
As to the rest of your post, I reiterate: CCP has no obligation to continue to support legacy and fringe systems. It does not make economic sense. They in fact have done more to make this game compatible than any other company I have ever had the misfortune to part my money with. Most companies just update their minimum requirements and tell you to shove it.
Keeping your equipment functioning and up to date is your OWN responsibility, can you seriously ask developers to somehow cover the situation where someone has not updated their video drivers in over a year in their coding? Of course not. The developers have an outstanding amount of resources available to them to cover as much as they possibly can, but it's not going to catch everyone. That's just cold harsh truth.
While I agree with you that having as many people able to log in to the game as possible is a good thing, you have failed to see the other side of this which is the fact that to even keep this game alive you need to be efficient with how you distribute your resources. Having tech support pick up tons of service tickets all about problems on decade old machines and unofficial ways of logging on is a waste of time and money in the long term.
Standardising platforms allows huge cost savings which can be then diverted into other MUCH more important areas of the game, like more content and improving the interface or CREST or any number of things that will make the game much better without being shackled to a 3rd party multi boxing program that CCP neither has control or influence on.
All in all I think people having problems with their launcher, most of it is PEBKAC with a few genuine instances where something may be up.
LOL You wouldn't even know how to log in to a cisco router back pedler.
"Mr CCNA stepped up to the plate". It was my plate (post) that you stepped up to if I remember right? I'm not a CCNA.
"Keeping your equipment functioning and up to date is your OWN responsibility." Except the issue is the software launcher not the equipment until you decided it was."
"Standardising platforms allows huge cost savings which can be then diverted into other MUCH more important areas blah blah blah." you sure like the tell everyone how important stuffs works.
"All in all I think people having problems with their launcher, most of it is PEBKAC with a few genuine instances where something may be up." oh so just a few instances are genuine... glad you could take the time to diagnose them.
Somebody take my keyboard from me....
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Sabai Sukarala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.09.11 17:47:52 -
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Cool this means its time to quit to eve once and for all. Bye 13 accounts and I dont even have to wait for the next ****** up game breaking patch in November.
On to the next game. |
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.09.11 17:49:52 -
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enotsmirb wrote:
LOL You wouldn't even know how to log in to a cisco router back pedler.
"Mr CCNA stepped up to the plate". It was my plate (post) that you stepped up to if I remember right? I'm not a CCNA.
"Keeping your equipment functioning and up to date is your OWN responsibility." Except the issue is the software launcher not the equipment until you decided it was."
"Standardising platforms allows huge cost savings which can be then diverted into other MUCH more important areas blah blah blah." you sure like the tell everyone how important stuffs works.
"All in all I think people having problems with their launcher, most of it is PEBKAC with a few genuine instances where something may be up." oh so just a few instances are genuine... glad you could take the time to diagnose them.
Somebody take my keyboard from me....
I don't need to log into my routers at work, that's what the network guys are for. Does it mean I don't know how they work?
You implied it since you mentioned both qualifications while boasting about your router
Your issue could well be a software one, that comment wasn't directed at you. But I gave you a solution and you just started going on a rant about how much you love your router. You don't in fact need to do any kind of QoS per se. Just apply a bandwidth cap to limit no single application to use more than your maximum.
I work in the industry so yeah I do know how tech support works. It's based on time efficiency. You can't be efficient if you're trying to figure what a system is before you even attempt to fix the problem.
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.09.11 17:52:29 -
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Sabai Sukarala wrote:Cool this means its time to quit to eve once and for all. Bye 13 accounts and I dont even have to wait for the next ****** up game breaking patch in November.
On to the next game.
The weight of these words of an alt solely created for this post is astonishing.
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Runiba Toll
Alfred E. Newman Fan Club
7
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Posted - 2016.09.11 23:42:37 -
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I am pretty sure we are all out to lunch on this. We are assuming that CCP is a normal company trying to provide a desired service to its customers. This depends upon their being in communication with their customer base instead of only themselves and the small ideas in their own heads only.
Instead, CCP provides solely their own bright ideas to us and force them down our throats, similar to a political system. Solving non-existent problems and totally destroying the game play for the current customer base, whether by game changes, system requirement changes, or just plain NO SUPPORT to the customer base. CCP is ALWAYS RIGHT, no matter what reality states.
My internet is continually saturated with the file checks each time I log in. My game is very unreliable due to their internet implementation. They are demanding monthly payments and then an excessive "upgrade your computer" tax on top to continue being able to pay and play. Again, a political system and not a real company with economic concerns.
If I am driven out of the game, I can live with that. The friends I have here will still be accessible via teamspeak. The ONLY thing CCP has IS its player base. The game itself will never be a modern type game, it is a social interaction environment that we currently find interesting and fun, but when we can't log in, we'll be forced to find something else to do.
If someone is demanding to die (or a company) it is unsafe to get in their way, step aside and let it evaporate on their own efforts or you may get stuck in their activities yourself. Now is the time to get an alternate method to contact your friends and aquaintances
OR.... just be lemmings and follow them over the cliff.
I've enjoyed the people in eve online, the game itself (continuous moving target) very much less so. |
Absolute Intoleranto
State Protectorate Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2016.09.12 00:13:27 -
[244] - Quote
Runiba Toll wrote:They are demanding monthly payments and then an excessive "upgrade your computer" tax on top to continue being able to pay and play.
This is your own fault. You cant expect to play EVE on the same hardware like in 2003... When was DX11 launched? 2009? 2010?
There are lots of cheap cards and even pc out there. The wording "excessive" in this case is truly excessive. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.09.12 01:14:57 -
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Runiba Toll wrote:I am pretty sure we are all out to lunch on this. We are assuming that CCP is a normal company trying to provide a desired service to its customers. This depends upon their being in communication with their customer base instead of only themselves and the small ideas in their own heads only.
Instead, CCP provides solely their own bright ideas to us and force them down our throats, similar to a political system. Solving non-existent problems and totally destroying the game play for the current customer base, whether by game changes, system requirement changes, or just plain NO SUPPORT to the customer base. CCP is ALWAYS RIGHT, no matter what reality states.
My internet is continually saturated with the file checks each time I log in. My game is very unreliable due to their internet implementation. They are demanding monthly payments and then an excessive "upgrade your computer" tax on top to continue being able to pay and play. Again, a political system and not a real company with economic concerns.
If I am driven out of the game, I can live with that. The friends I have here will still be accessible via teamspeak. The ONLY thing CCP has IS its player base. The game itself will never be a modern type game, it is a social interaction environment that we currently find interesting and fun, but when we can't log in, we'll be forced to find something else to do.
If someone is demanding to die (or a company) it is unsafe to get in their way, step aside and let it evaporate on their own efforts or you may get stuck in their activities yourself. Now is the time to get an alternate method to contact your friends and aquaintances
OR.... just be lemmings and follow them over the cliff.
I've enjoyed the people in eve online, the game itself (continuous moving target) very much less so.
I sorry that change is so hard to adapt to for you.
Be very aware you are the minority here though, if a game is not constantly evolving it will just stagnate and eventually die. I run a laptop that's 4 years old and it runs eve with low settings and 2 clients. It's by no means a monster gaming laptop either only running a low end 635m discrete graphics card.
If you're somehow unable to meet such meager requirements, I'm afraid to say that you might have to look at yourself and see if there's a problem there.
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Runiba Toll
Alfred E. Newman Fan Club
8
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Posted - 2016.09.12 03:37:25 -
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Along with my previous comments, I do want to add how much I appreciate the personal attacks many of you in the forum post. I am truly impressed at how expert so many of you are at being the worst of humanity. I am posting about an action that CCP is taking and fault is found at my lack of financial acumen to be able to afford brand new computers so that wasteful programmers can burn computer cycles with wild abandon. Or I am at fault for not wanting to have the game changing three times as fast as I can possibly learn how to play it.
Truly you (the aforementioned posters) are the most intolerant bunch of fools that I have dealt with for many years. In my mind you deserve eve as it is operating now and I wash my hands of everything here. When I can not log in, I can no longer pay. CCP loses out and the critics that like to attack people here can suck eggs. As far as my being a minority, that remains to be seen. Since most here seem to know only themselves I can see how they outnumber the people they are unaware of. For the rest of us, being ignored or trashed is also a reason to find a more reasonable environment where we are appreciated.
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Celly S
River-Rats in space
439
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Posted - 2016.09.12 04:26:47 -
[247] - Quote
honestly, I wish they wouldn't remove that, it has gotten me into the game on many occasions when the launcher did not work.
Just saying o/ Celly
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal.
Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular.
Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself.
A sandwich can be a great motivator.
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Celly Smunt
River-Rats in space
440
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Posted - 2016.09.12 04:26:47 -
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honestly, I wish they wouldn't remove that, it has gotten me into the game on many occasions when the launcher did not work.
Just saying o/ Celly
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal.
Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular.
Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself.
A sandwich can be a great motivator.
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1842
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Posted - 2016.09.12 05:19:53 -
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Runiba Toll wrote:Along with my previous comments, I do want to add how much I appreciate the personal attacks many of you in the forum post. I am truly impressed at how expert so many of you are at being the worst of humanity. I am posting about an action that CCP is taking and fault is found at my lack of financial acumen to be able to afford brand new computers so that wasteful programmers can burn computer cycles with wild abandon. Or I am at fault for not wanting to have the game changing three times as fast as I can possibly learn how to play it.
Truly you (the aforementioned posters) are the most intolerant bunch of fools that I have dealt with for many years. In my mind you deserve eve as it is operating now and I wash my hands of everything here. When I can not log in, I can no longer pay. CCP loses out and the critics that like to attack people here can suck eggs. As far as my being a minority, that remains to be seen. Since most here seem to know only themselves I can see how they outnumber the people they are unaware of. For the rest of us, being ignored or trashed is also a reason to find a more reasonable environment where we are appreciated.
If you're unable to keep your system up to the very modest requirements of this game, it might be that you should be prioritising something other than eve.
CCP Is not scheming in their boardroom about how to screw the financially challenged, they are a business. If it makes sense financially to move on with technology and subsequently make some people unable to play but open up the game to more and improve it for those it's called progress.
They cannot make everyone happy (I can't believe I even need to say this) so they do their best to make the majority happy while sticking to a business model that they can actually profit off.
I'm sorry that you feel you're being personally attacked, please know that this is not the case. However the way you came across in your post made it sound like everyone was out to get you
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Nakaara Adahsa
Deep Void Enterprises
24
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Posted - 2016.09.12 09:50:47 -
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Runiba Toll wrote:Along with my previous comments, I do want to add how much I appreciate the personal attacks many of you in the forum post. I am truly impressed at how expert so many of you are at being the worst of humanity. I am posting about an action that CCP is taking and fault is found at my lack of financial acumen to be able to afford brand new computers so that wasteful programmers can burn computer cycles with wild abandon. Or I am at fault for not wanting to have the game changing three times as fast as I can possibly learn how to play it.
Truly you (the aforementioned posters) are the most intolerant bunch of fools that I have dealt with for many years. In my mind you deserve eve as it is operating now and I wash my hands of everything here. When I can not log in, I can no longer pay. CCP loses out and the critics that like to attack people here can suck eggs. As far as my being a minority, that remains to be seen. Since most here seem to know only themselves I can see how they outnumber the people they are unaware of. For the rest of us, being ignored or trashed is also a reason to find a more reasonable environment where we are appreciated.
EVE has tended to appeal to a portion of the gaming community with sociopathic or psychopathic tendencies. My guess is that most of this subset of players aren't suffering from actual mental illness but rather are underdeveloped emotionally and this is reflected in their approach to the game and other players.
I don't think these represent the majority but they are a notable minority. Many others I think just like the lack of restriction on gameplay between players, and the attitudes this fosters bleed into the forums often.
There are also plenty of us around that believe you can enjoy playing EVE and still be civil. Just because the game mechanics allow or perhaps encourage you to be a complete ass doesn't mean you have to be.
However we choose to play the game, I agree with you that forums related to technical, customer, and game development matters should have a more civil tone as much as feasible.
If CCP truly wants to broaden the player base, then they also need to factor in the financial considerations that you mention. It's not reasonable to expect most players to upgrade their computers every year, so some balance needs to be found between allowing players to enjoy some of the benefits of the latest hardware while still facilitating gameplay on older, less capable machines. I don't know where that line lies, but it's clear from the graphics option settings for the game that CCP has some understanding of these issues and is at least partially committed to enabling play on older machines.
I hope that CCP continues to enable you to play the game with your current hardware. None of the proposed game development I've heard of so far would appear to require raising the machine requirements though I'm not certain of this. If this were changed right now, I think it would be at odds with CCP's business goal of increasing the player base. |
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.09.12 10:09:03 -
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First part of your post: utter lol
Attempting to psycho analyse people from behaviour shown in a game. But I guess this viewpoint is subjective. What counts as bad behaviour to you might not be to someone else.
Second part was using logical reasoning and was much more digestible. I've been playing for 4 years on the same laptop without any noticeable change In performance
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Nakaara Adahsa
Deep Void Enterprises
24
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Posted - 2016.09.12 11:13:59 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:First part of your post: utter lol
Attempting to psycho analyse people from behaviour shown in a game. But I guess this viewpoint is subjective. What counts as bad behaviour to you might not be to someone else.
Second part was using logical reasoning and was much more digestible. I've been playing for 4 years on the same laptop without any noticeable change In performance
My experience over many years has been that how people play a game usually reflects who they are. Some people come across in games exactly like they are in person. Others may appear civil in daily interactions, but you see a different side in games. I believe the latter is closer to who they really are when freed of the constraints of the norms and laws of human society.
There is a reason why our societies have criminal and civil laws and why some violate those laws despite the risks and penalties for this. Within the constraints of our laws, there are many who engage in unethical or otherwise reprehensible behavior. Is it really that surprising that this behaviorial range should both manifest and shift its mean in a game? I don't think so.
Yes, my post addressed both player behavior and technical / business issues since both were in the original post to which I was responding. I have no qualms with this nor with sharing my views on either. |
Warlord Balrog
303rd X-SOLDIER
6
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Posted - 2016.09.12 12:21:24 -
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warbds wrote:I hope you make it possible to run 2 launchers otherwise I will get the downloads of 10Gb each time one of my nephews plays on my pc.
That works as follows each of them has an account.
They can't do anything on my disks (just enough rights to be able to log in) The each have a disk with an installation of EVE on it full rights there. This disk they can snd wilol take them with them when they go home and they do. On one of my disks I have a double installation of EVE works better as a single instalation still does!! When I log into Eve and a disk is or was inserted in my pc, I will get a 10 Gb or more download.
Why well simple the launcher thinks it needs to reconfigure after they logged in because of the shared ******* cache . No they will not get more rights!
I even play Eve or any other game with limited rights. I can only see that game dir and a few other folders.
If not well I will end my subsription. No none will get my stuff
Two ways you can overcome this problem. The first I am not entirely sure if/how well the outcome will be because I never experimented with EVE's file-locking routines myself. However, I have done this with other programs and games with reliable success.
1) Create a network storage solution. Common examples of this would be a NAS (Network-Attached Storage) or Cloud-based system. Mount the shared volume and assign a letter on both PCs. Install the launcher and point to the shared drive's letter. Be sure you do not start the other computer's launcher until the patch is complete. * This would be equivalent to using a Blizzard game using the "Search for games in ..." option, where it searches the drive for files it recognizes and skips the installation -- but verifies it's integrity. Worst case scenario, you'll just have to click verify under the shared cache option before running the game on patch days.
2) Designate one PC as master and the other as slave. Use the master PC for patches, verification, etc. The master will share the folder over the network to the slave. The slave will have the drive mapped from \\master\eve for example to E: and the shortcut will read E:\launcher.exe on the slave PC. * The only problem I forsee with this option is approach is permissions, which in most recent Windows OS platforms will retain both permissions and settings. So all you would have to do is click "Continue" when the 'You do not have permissions to this folder, click continue to override this behavior.' prompt comes up. This SHOULD allow both PCs to have access to the files, if someone can confirm this works in Windows 10 please do so.
I, personally, haven't done too much research or experimentation with this since Windows XP was still brand-spankin new, but from what little I understand Windows 7 and 10 has improved it's integration system for file sharing services (Such as SAMBA, NFS, SAN, NAS, etc).
I would suggest googling it personally to see if someone else wrote a detailed white paper about sharing games over LANs. If no better solution becomes available before you decide to unsub, I would suggest trying #1 at least before you ubsub, at worse case scenario it won't work as intended and you can just uninstall the game on the master system after unsubbing. Best case I have just helped a few people work some problems out. :) |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.09.12 17:50:10 -
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Nakaara Adahsa wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:First part of your post: utter lol
Attempting to psycho analyse people from behaviour shown in a game. But I guess this viewpoint is subjective. What counts as bad behaviour to you might not be to someone else.
Second part was using logical reasoning and was much more digestible. I've been playing for 4 years on the same laptop without any noticeable change In performance My experience over many years has been that how people play a game usually reflects who they are. Some people come across in games exactly like they are in person. Others may appear civil in daily interactions, but you see a different side in games. I believe the latter is closer to who they really are when freed of the constraints of the norms and laws of human society. There is a reason why our societies have criminal and civil laws and why some violate those laws despite the risks and penalties for this. Within the constraints of our laws, there are many who engage in unethical or otherwise reprehensible behavior. Is it really that surprising that this behaviorial range should both manifest and shift its mean in a game? I don't think so. Yes, my post addressed both player behavior and technical / business issues since both were in the original post to which I was responding. I have no qualms with this nor with sharing my views on either.
Anecdotal evidence. Very reliable and widely regarded as accurate all the time
Every post I see that supports this viewpoint has its premise firmly rooted in a flawed concept: that people somehow cannot differentiate reality and fantasy.
This may be true for the minority with mental health issues, some even may play eve.
There are many factors to how someone behaves in life, but to a normal functioning human, they can separate what's acceptable within the confines of a virtual world with constraints and also what is allowed in real life. So when given the freedom to do so, some may exhibit '*******' behaviour (which again is completely subjective) and some may not.
As with any game, 'winning' is important. What's special about eve is that you get to decide what winning constitutes. If that's to blow up someone's ship then by all means you should take joy in doing that. Trash talking afterwards is also not a barred activity and it may also fall under someone's definition of fun. Not everyone reacts badly to trash talk, especially well adjusted individuals who is aware they are playing a GAME.
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NextDarkKnight
Mental Disorders Inc. Guardians of the Asylum
50
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Posted - 2016.09.12 19:14:35 -
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You know I am ALL for removing the launcher if and only if,
A Text only version of the launcher is deployed that doesn't use a ton of memory. Some of us don't use dedicated Eve computers and need all the resources we can get.
On my system the current launcher doesn't load graphics all the time and is really buggy. |
Nakaara Adahsa
Deep Void Enterprises
24
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Posted - 2016.09.12 19:41:48 -
[256] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:Nakaara Adahsa wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:First part of your post: utter lol
Attempting to psycho analyse people from behaviour shown in a game. But I guess this viewpoint is subjective. What counts as bad behaviour to you might not be to someone else.
Second part was using logical reasoning and was much more digestible. I've been playing for 4 years on the same laptop without any noticeable change In performance My experience over many years has been that how people play a game usually reflects who they are. Some people come across in games exactly like they are in person. Others may appear civil in daily interactions, but you see a different side in games. I believe the latter is closer to who they really are when freed of the constraints of the norms and laws of human society. There is a reason why our societies have criminal and civil laws and why some violate those laws despite the risks and penalties for this. Within the constraints of our laws, there are many who engage in unethical or otherwise reprehensible behavior. Is it really that surprising that this behaviorial range should both manifest and shift its mean in a game? I don't think so. Yes, my post addressed both player behavior and technical / business issues since both were in the original post to which I was responding. I have no qualms with this nor with sharing my views on either. Anecdotal evidence. Very reliable and widely regarded as accurate all the time Yes, it is anecdotal data, but that does not necessarily mean I am wrong.
Quote: Every post I see that supports this viewpoint has its premise firmly rooted in a flawed concept: that people somehow cannot differentiate reality and fantasy.
This may be true for the minority with mental health issues, some even may play eve.
I would be more inclined to agree with you if EVE were truly a fantasy, but it's a game between humans. The game setting is a fantasy, but the players are real humans.
One of the consequences of the game rules and economy is that most players spend much more time earning ISK to buy ships than they do using those ships to fight other players. A few may buy their ships via PLEX and out-of-game money, but that strategy only works to the extent that someone else is willing to spend the in-game time needed to create ship-related resources.
Most of the minerals and other resources needed to make ships and ship components come from asteroid and moon mining, not loot drops. Someone has to spend real-world time to create all of that, time much greater than that spent fighting in ships. A lot of players may engage in PVE to earn ISK and sell or reprocess loot, but the latter only marginally reduces the amount of mining activity required. Mining is simply much more time efficient at producing minerals.
So when someone loses a ship in-game that has a consequence to them in real-life: the loss of the value of their time. That is not a fantasy, although the price may be acceptable to them if they can exchange that time for overall enjoyment of the game.
Quote: There are many factors to how someone behaves in life, but to a normal functioning human, they can separate what's acceptable within the confines of a virtual world with constraints and also what is allowed in real life. So when given the freedom to do so, some may exhibit '*******' behaviour (which again is completely subjective) and some may not.
As with any game, 'winning' is important. What's special about eve is that you get to decide what winning constitutes. If that's to blow up someone's ship then by all means you should take joy in doing that. Trash talking afterwards is also not a barred activity and it may also fall under someone's definition of fun. Not everyone reacts badly to trash talk, especially well adjusted individuals who is aware they are playing a GAME.
I agree that there are a lot of ways to potentially enjoy the game. Ship PVP is the area in which playing styles are most likely to clash, however, and that is another area where the "game=fantasy" argument breaks down. Losing a ship in a duel or a large fleet fight may be acceptable because both sides got to enjoy the struggle for victory. However, when a lone player gets ganked by 4-12 other players at a gate camp, I seriously doubt the ganked player enjoyed the experience. That is definitely a win-lose proposition in which one group of players derive their pleasure at the expense of another player. The ganked player may choose to regard it as an occasional evil of the game, but that only holds up if he or she generates enough other positive in-game experiences to make up for it. That's not a fantasy but rather a personal calculus of the value of the game and the type of interaction you are experiencing with other people.
The above choices of how we interact with other players reflect who we are. Our decisions and overall behavior may be shifted from the choices we make in the real-world, but they are not free of consequences for either ourselves or others.
Anyone who plays EVE for much more than a day or a week soon learns that it is a harsher environment than a lot of other games. If you stick with the game you have to accept that, but that doesn't mean it's all a fantasy. The people are real, and how you choose to interact with others in the game environment has consequences for the value of their time and their enjoyment of the game. That's why your in-game behavior says something about who you are, even or perhaps especially if that behavior deviates significantly from your actions in real life.
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Muul Udonii
THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two
160
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Posted - 2016.09.12 21:24:43 -
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I'm back in the thread and a special thanks to CCP darwin who took a personal interest in my case. And a super special thanks to the mysterious 'CCP Dev' who gave the following information:
Quote:Could you please go to Settings->Shared Cache Settings and click the 'Permissions' button.
This fixed it. Great work CCP. Shame you couldn't do it 7 months ago when I first notified you of the issue.
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Celly S
River-Rats in space
440
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Posted - 2016.09.12 23:12:10 -
[258] - Quote
Nakaara Adahsa wrote: There are also plenty of us around that believe you can enjoy playing EVE and still be civil. Just because the game mechanics allow or perhaps encourage you to be a complete ass doesn't mean you have to be.
+1
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal.
Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular.
Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself.
A sandwich can be a great motivator.
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Absolute Intoleranto
State Protectorate Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2016.09.12 23:35:39 -
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Runiba Toll wrote:Along with my previous comments, I do want to add how much I appreciate the personal attacks many of you in the forum post. I am truly impressed at how expert so many of you are at being the worst of humanity. I am posting about an action that CCP is taking and fault is found at my lack of financial acumen to be able to afford brand new computers so that wasteful programmers can burn computer cycles with wild abandon. Or I am at fault for not wanting to have the game changing three times as fast as I can possibly learn how to play it.
Truly you (the aforementioned posters) are the most intolerant bunch of fools that I have dealt with for many years. In my mind you deserve eve as it is operating now and I wash my hands of everything here. When I can not log in, I can no longer pay. CCP loses out and the critics that like to attack people here can suck eggs. As far as my being a minority, that remains to be seen. Since most here seem to know only themselves I can see how they outnumber the people they are unaware of. For the rest of us, being ignored or trashed is also a reason to find a more reasonable environment where we are appreciated.
Nobody did attack you. It is a fact that dx11 was launched years ago and many cards or PCs may be bought for little money. Calling this a excessive upgrade is nonsense.
You on the other hand did call other people for that reason "intolerant bunch of fools", "experts of being the worst of humanity", or telling them to "suck eggs" is actually a attack, for which a excuse would be appropriate. But I will not ask for it.
Thanks for that. |
enotsmirb
Ezekiel 25 17
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Could there be another reason CCP wants us to only use the new launcher? Somebody in another post suggested with the game going limited free to play there is going to be a lot of people needing to download the client. What better way for CCP to reduce or forgo additional network costs than to have player clients scale (bittorrent / P2P). Also why is there not an option to automatically close the client after the game starts... They took that out of the new launcher it was in the options menu a few (4) months ago.
Hash tag #JFK conspiracy, Hash tag# Chem trails, Hash tag # lizzard people, Hash tag# New World Order. |
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1858
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Posted - 2016.09.13 09:12:55 -
[261] - Quote
Hey I heard you can use QoS to make sure the launcher sharing files doesn't impact your gameplay (I'm going to hell for this)
Art of Explosions
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
3052
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Posted - 2016.09.13 10:02:16 -
[262] - Quote
Zappity wrote:Why doesn't hitting Enter enter my password in the launcher?
It does for me - if the issue is reproducable submit a bug report please, with system details and if you have a special keyboard.
CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
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enotsmirb
Ezekiel 25 17
9
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Posted - 2016.09.13 16:19:24 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Zappity wrote:Why doesn't hitting Enter enter my password in the launcher? It does for me - if the issue is reproducable submit a bug report please, with system details and if you have a special keyboard.
Oh boy. This is sarcasm right? .... Right? |
enotsmirb
Ezekiel 25 17
9
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Posted - 2016.09.13 16:27:01 -
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DAMN IT!!
It did it again today. (launcher decided to download the update after I was already in the client). Bug report submitted no ship loss this time. Screen shot included. As you can see in the photo I am in the client while the update is taking place. You can also see that my internet connection is maxed out. It was stuck at verifying 99% until I closed the client and launcher then re-opened it.
From now on I just close the laucher after starting the game... Please add the feature to close the launcher after client starts.
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/enotsmirb/Launcher%202_zpstebnbjdo.png
The launcher needs help... (or maybe just my launcher needs help.) |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
3052
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Posted - 2016.09.14 10:37:16 -
[265] - Quote
enotsmirb wrote:DAMN IT!! It did it again today. (launcher decided to download the update after I was already in the client). Bug report submitted no ship loss this time. Screen shot included. As you can see in the photo I am in the client while the update is taking place. You can also see that my internet connection is maxed out. It was stuck at verifying 99% until I closed the client and launcher then re-opened it. From now on I just close the laucher after starting the game... Please add the feature to close the launcher after client starts. http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f26/enotsmirb/Launcher%202_zpstebnbjdo.png The launcher needs help... (or maybe just my launcher needs help.)
Can you give me your bug report number(s) please? Can't find anything submitted in the last 24 hours that would match up to your issue. Bug report numbers can be found at https://community.eveonline.com/support/bug-reports/my-bug-reports/
CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
3054
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Posted - 2016.09.14 13:57:42 -
[266] - Quote
Hi all,
To bring you an update on this. We have turned this on on Sisi now, so as of now Singularity will only be accessible via the Launcher. If you experience connectivity issues (bearing in mind that Singularity can go down with short notice for reboots and updates, so give it a couple of tries) please let us know about it.
As to some of the issues discussed in the thread and some progress updates on them:
Leaving Launcher open for a long time/Sleeping computer causing Launcher to forget accounts
Both of these issues share the same root cause from what we can see (and explain some other issues too), essentially the launcher doesn't handle losing network connectivity well. We are working on fixes here and will have those in place prior to closing the exefile entry point on TQ.
The Launcher doesn't remember my accounts/asks me for a login each time I open it
The Launcher will remember accounts and credentials if they are "pinned". You can pin accounts by logging in to them and then clicking the pin icon to the right hand side of the account panel. If the pin is blue, the account is pinned and will be remembered. The white pin means the account will not be remembered.
In the lined box at the top of the account panel, there is an option called "Automatic Login". If this option is selected, your launcher will automatically log in to pinned accounts when you start it. If it is not selected, the launcher will ask you to authenticate one of the accounts, and once you've done that the rest of your pinned accounts will be automatically authenticated. This menu also contains an option to forget all your accounts, should you wish to (e.g. playing on a shared computer). We are taking steps to make this more intuitive but these will not necessarily be in place by the time we close the exefile entry point
CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
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Maja Chou
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Posted - 2016.09.14 14:37:39 -
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maybee you also want a look into https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6636822#post6636822
and see there is still al lot problems with log in via launcher you are getting realy angy customers everytime the launcher dropp saved accounts (realy not funny for powerplayer with more as one account you want in the game as contendmakers and multiplikators, maybee coaches for you comming alphas), refuse to update again and again, show blank log in screens over and over again luckely the forum refused my edits here few times so you cant read i wrote in with capitals
yea i see the future without exefile you can remove old code from game and give new fetures maybee like direct char log in bundlet with settings profiles and something
but first get your stuff running rockstabl maybee put more devtime in it, rethink how something work or ask someone from outside ccp how they would do this other companys show a gamestarter can work since years without problems
you are getting angry customers over and over again who just want to undock ships, play the market, hotdrop noobship with titans and enjoy your nice grafic work
Da die auf Schildwall vorhandenen Informationen nur einen minimalen Einfluss auf das Endergebnis der Neuspielererfahrung von EVE als ganzes gehabt hätten,habe ich beschlossen, die Informationen so zu belassen, wie CCP sie zu liefern in der Lage ist.
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1879
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Posted - 2016.09.14 15:11:54 -
[268] - Quote
I wanna know how many people with forgotten account issues never pinned them lol
Art of Explosions
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
1895
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Posted - 2016.09.14 15:49:42 -
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Log in some accounts. Pin every of them. Close the launcher. Start the launcher. Log in to my main account....
1 logged account in the list.
Again: what is this 'pin' feature for?
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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CCP Avalon
C C P C C P Alliance
138
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Posted - 2016.09.14 17:25:38 -
[270] - Quote
Greetings capsuleers!
Earlier today we deployed UI version 1032 to the development version of the EVE launcher, and started testing against the "forgot account" issue. We hope to complete testing soon, so we may deploy it live, but in the mean time you can try it out by switching to the developer version of the launcher.
How-to: Open the launcher preferences (E symbol on Windows) -> Settings -> Version type: [Development]
If you encounter further issues with the launcher forgetting accounts on 1032, please file a bug report with that number in the title or body!
CCP Avalon // Web Developer // Team Webster // @ccp_avalon
Twitch: CCP_Avalon
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Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
392
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Posted - 2016.09.14 23:06:34 -
[271] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:I wanna know how many people with forgotten account issues never pinned them lol
In windows they pinned themselves
On my Mac, originally it solved my problems, but I wasn't traveling. Next time i went to the airport, connected via wifi in the united club, closed laptop, on flight, connected to plane wifi, landed in san fran, connected in Amex lounge, closed laptop, got to Singapore. During this trip I probably connected my laptop to the internet 2-3 time using my phone as a internet connection as well. Mind you all of this was to get work email and stuff like that, I didn't actually play eve, but the launcher was running
Connected via wifi in hotel
By that time the launcher had a multitude of errors and required a restart, upon restart - no accounts, even the pinned ones
Every now and then logging in one makes it remember them all again, sometimes it juts says you have been on too many wifi's sorry. |
Tyfanna
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2016.09.15 06:14:54 -
[272] - Quote
Good to see how reliable your Launcher works all the time...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/52rueq/eve_steam_is_kill/ |
Fossor Wintersky
Ordinus Ursorum Cautorum
36
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Posted - 2016.09.15 15:07:57 -
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It's a good reason terminate subscription. |
Zenta Carson
Apex Inc The Methodical Alliance
0
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Posted - 2016.09.15 18:07:01 -
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Ok well will CCP be fixing the Main Launcher, cause after a little while of logging in it kicks me from the game, I don't have this problem with the EXEFILE |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
3056
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Posted - 2016.09.16 11:12:01 -
[275] - Quote
Zenta Carson wrote:Ok well will CCP be fixing the Main Launcher, cause after a little while of logging in it kicks me from the game, I don't have this problem with the EXEFILE
Can you be more descriptive please? Do you mean you are getting socket closed errors once in game, or that the launcher fails to get you into the game?
CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
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Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
392
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Posted - 2016.09.16 20:04:32 -
[276] - Quote
CCP Avalon wrote:Greetings capsuleers! Earlier today we deployed UI version 1032 to the development version of the EVE launcher, and started testing against the "forgot account" issue. We hope to complete testing soon, so we may deploy it live, but in the mean time you can try it out by switching to the developer version of the launcher.
How-to: Open the launcher preferences (E symbol on Windows) -> Settings -> Version type: [Development]If you encounter further issues with the launcher forgetting accounts on 1032, please file a bug report with that number in the title or body!Edit: Please remember that you have to enable "Automatic login" for the launcher to login your pinned accounts. Edit 2: Version 1032 should now be available for all users on the release version. If you did upgrade to the development version of the launcher we recommend that you revert to the release version, as the dev version may experience rapid updates with less stability.
Happened this morning - CCP Games Customer Support. Your ticket (258225)
Hmm, looking back I prolly should have submitted a bug report, but i didn't look, I just clicked support on the launcher and that is where it sent me.....so, if you don't like it, maybe you should fix where it sends you :) |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
68
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[277] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:If you're unable to keep your system up to the very modest requirements of this game, it might be that you should be prioritising something other than eve. It's curious how you're able to deduct such a statement considering how Runiba Toll has never mentioned their system specifications. In addition to that all your wild talk about QoS and other network shenanigans with previous posters in addition to the line I just quoted, let me present you this:
Common Minimum Requirements:- CPU that supports SSE2
- GPU
- with 256 MB VRAM or more - that supports Shader Model 3 - that supports DirectX 9.0c
- Drivers: DirectX 9.0c (included)
- Audio
- that is Direct Sound compatible and supports SSE
- HD: 20 GB free space (or more)
- Network: ADSL connection (or faster)
- DVD-ROM: 2x-speed DVD reader (for boxed editions only)
Windows Minimum requirements: - OS: Windows 7 / 8.1 / 10
- CPU: Intel Dual Core @ 2.0 GHz, AMD Dual Core @ 2.0 GHz
- RAM: 2 GB
- Video: AMD Radeon 2600 XT or NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GTS
There is no mention what kind of router and which kind of settings and protocols in there are required. Your argument therefore is invalid. No matter what kind of change CCP is doing, as long as they do not edit these minimum system requirements on this website (which is also the page displayed when following the system requirements link on the bottom of the official page) then they have to legally support whatever is printed there.
Nakaara Adahsa wrote:EVE has tended to appeal to a portion of the gaming community with sociopathic or psychopathic tendencies. My guess is that most of this subset of players aren't suffering from actual mental illness but rather are underdeveloped emotionally and this is reflected in their approach to the game and other players. Your opinion is duly noted, but I don't believe the implied "tended" notion is accurate. If you base your opinion on the negative outlook you view forum posters and what you experience in the game, you either had a lot of bad luck or are prone to the common human perception error (as is an evolutionary trait) being; The negatives are exaggerated while the positives are taken as self evident. That being said though, the rest of your statement is well written and acknowledged as such.
enotsmirb wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Zappity wrote:Why doesn't hitting Enter enter my password in the launcher? It does for me - if the issue is reproducable submit a bug report please, with system details and if you have a special keyboard. Oh boy. This is sarcasm right? .... Right? No it's not sarcasm. I can confirm both "Enters" work. The regular one and the one at the keypad. Someone might laugh at this, but you would be surprised at the number of password checks which do NOT accept the keypad enter. You also might not have much experienced with using multiple input devices and keyboards. Did you have at any time... - ...plugged in an external keypad to a laptop which has none?
- ...plugged in a regular second keyboard and used software to completely remap it's keys to execute other functions and macros?
- ...plugged in a left-hand gamepad like the Logitech G22 or something similar?
- ... used a one-hand Dvorak Keyboard?
If you can answer one of these questions with "no", then you have no point in waving the sarcasm flag.
And if Zappity successfully trolled us, then you're a bad Zappity zap |
Sophia Mileghere
Scandium Defense and Security Inc. Dark - Alliance
85
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Posted - 2016.09.17 15:02:57 -
[278] - Quote
I thought actually: Why not, the Launcher works most of the time. But this morning wanted to start EVE, however the Launcher no longer works. The launcher is white and says only:
Quote:This web page is not available ERR_CONTENT_DECODING_FAILED Hide details The web page at https://launcher.eveonline.com/1032/ might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.
In case like this, it is a bad decision to remove the function and we have to wait serval days for the support...
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Milostiev
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
14
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Posted - 2016.09.18 13:30:02 -
[279] - Quote
What i would like in the new launcher is an option to remove the clutter.
By that i mean the overlay of the NES and other stuff the launcher introduces into the client, which makes my life miserable (x4 640, HD 5570 graphics), especially when running multiple clients.
My reason for using bin launching for this long, is that the client launched through launcher, works significantly worse, both as sole client (when i go to a fleet and turn down everything to have maximum responsiveness) and in a multiple client situation (i almost always have a Jita trade alt open).
PS: Almost every other failure of the launcher is something one can live with, and i understand the need for more security, but this is a huge thing. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3174
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Posted - 2016.09.19 14:02:53 -
[280] - Quote
Henry Plantgenet wrote:THe only problem i've had with the new launcher is that the number of pilots on TQ fluctuates randomly at downtime always a positive number never 0 until downtime is almost over. But that's just something minor. We updated the Launcher today to more aggressively refresh data when TQ is offline. The Launcher normally updates this lazily, which was becoming a bit of an issue with the ever decreasing downtimes.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3174
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Posted - 2016.09.19 14:14:41 -
[281] - Quote
Xavier Arcesium wrote:Teinyhr wrote:Seeing as the launcher is somekind of mini-browser in itself, and IIRC has been infected with malware before, I have to seriously wonder and doubt how does this enhance account security in any way?
P.S. I have not used the client login system since how many years has it been we've had the launcher, just saying, I'm not buying the "improved security" thing at all. Presuming they do it right, it's a way to prevent anything that isn't an official launcher to run exefile. That said, I hope the tradeoff is worth it. I have had a lot of trouble running the launcher myself and would hate to lose the workaround. We are not preventing anything from running exefile, on login we are checking if the user/client is presenting a token from the login server or not.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3174
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Posted - 2016.09.19 14:33:56 -
[282] - Quote
Kenneth Feld wrote:CCP Avalon wrote:Greetings capsuleers! Earlier today we deployed UI version 1032 to the development version of the EVE launcher, and started testing against the "forgot account" issue. We hope to complete testing soon, so we may deploy it live, but in the mean time you can try it out by switching to the developer version of the launcher.
How-to: Open the launcher preferences (E symbol on Windows) -> Settings -> Version type: [Development]If you encounter further issues with the launcher forgetting accounts on 1032, please file a bug report with that number in the title or body!Edit: Please remember that you have to enable "Automatic login" for the launcher to login your pinned accounts. Edit 2: Version 1032 should now be available for all users on the release version. If you did upgrade to the development version of the launcher we recommend that you revert to the release version, as the dev version may experience rapid updates with less stability. Happened this morning - CCP Games Customer Support. Your ticket (258225) Hmm, looking back I prolly should have submitted a bug report, but i didn't look, I just clicked support on the launcher and that is where it sent me.....so, if you don't like it, maybe you should fix where it sends you :) We should send you to the bug reporting system when you want direct customer support?
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
341
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Posted - 2016.09.19 15:35:37 -
[283] - Quote
Cannot login today. Says "libmfxsw32.dll" is corrupted. Running repair.exe yields error with the following log:
http://clip2net.com/s/3CooCRu (forum does not allow to post it as text)
Any ideas? |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3590
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Posted - 2016.09.19 19:56:53 -
[284] - Quote
Are you using the new launcher, not the old launcher |
Iv d'Este
OEG Freedom Among the Stars
129
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Posted - 2016.09.20 11:15:39 -
[285] - Quote
Iv d'Este wrote:The launcher can be ba-+ged at any time, that often happened. While it will be repaired can take hours, days. This is a very very disturbing change.
I was talking about something like this http://imgur.com/1iaoDcB
The situation, when all was well, you're finished playing, and the next day when you start the launcher appears simply white window and no buttons.
And the horror of that earlier I knew how to run the game, and now forced to just sit and look at this white window.
It healed itself after a while. But why it was, because of what it is to fix and how long to wait for the next time I do not know. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3174
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Posted - 2016.09.20 13:15:57 -
[286] - Quote
Skia Aumer wrote:Cannot login today. Says "libmfxsw32.dll" is corrupted. Running repair.exe yields error with the following log: http://clip2net.com/s/3CooCRu(forum does not allow to post it as text) Any ideas? Neither the old Launcher nor the Repair Tool are supported anymore. Are you using the new Launcher?
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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Emmy Chelien
Dawn of a New Horizon The Republic.
0
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Posted - 2016.09.20 13:46:10 -
[287] - Quote
The launcher never worked for me. Empty transparent window with no content displayed - I can only see the border of the launcher window as black lines. I used to right-click the laucnher icon in the task bar, select server list, click on tranquility and then login in the client window opened. This has been discontinued so I cannot play eve any more. Great!
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Emmy Chelien
Dawn of a New Horizon The Republic.
0
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Posted - 2016.09.20 14:01:29 -
[288] - Quote
Emmy Chelien wrote: The launcher never worked for me. Empty transparent window with no content displayed - I can only see the border of the launcher window as black lines. I used to right-click the laucnher icon in the task bar, select server list, click on tranquility and then login in the client window opened. This has been discontinued so I cannot play eve any more. Great!
BTW: I have version 1069348 of the launcher. This seems to be the newest version |
Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
342
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Posted - 2016.09.20 14:49:59 -
[289] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:Neither the old Launcher nor the Repair Tool are supported anymore. Are you using the new Launcher? I dont. My desktop is running WinXP. Looks like game over for me, at least for a while. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3174
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Posted - 2016.09.20 15:13:32 -
[290] - Quote
Skia Aumer wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Neither the old Launcher nor the Repair Tool are supported anymore. Are you using the new Launcher? I dont. My desktop is running WinXP. Looks like game over for me, at least for a while. Yes, sorry, but Windows XP is no longer supported either.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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Estidalor
Viziam Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2016.09.20 15:26:05 -
[291] - Quote
There are many people out there still using win vista or xp that have no desire to upgrade their os or pc. It seems crazy to me that CCP has decided cut those people loose.
The new launcher obviously is not as popular as you think based on the 15 pages of complaints here. Please rethink your decision and give us back this oft preferred method of login. |
Rach Lieber
Money Miners of Eden
2
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Posted - 2016.09.20 15:31:35 -
[292] - Quote
Is the Launcher the completely black window with a little E at the top? if i click the E and select server list and try to log in I cannot. How do I play EVE now!? |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3174
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Posted - 2016.09.20 15:48:38 -
[293] - Quote
Rach Lieber wrote:Is the Launcher the completely black window with a little E at the top? if i click the E and select server list and try to log in I cannot. How do I play EVE now!? Please try the instructions in https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/210035165-Launcher-window-white-black-or-transparent-
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3174
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Posted - 2016.09.20 15:59:34 -
[294] - Quote
Estidalor wrote:There are many people out there still using win vista or xp that have no desire to upgrade their os or pc. It seems crazy to me that CCP has decided cut those people loose. That's indeed not the case that many were using these operating systems based on our metrics. Usage of Windows XP and Vista had become very minimal, the overhead of testing on those platforms had become a burden, and having to maintain compatibility with them was hindering development. We detailed this in our announcement in Feb this year: https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/changes-to-os-minimum-requirements/
Estidalor wrote:The new launcher obviously is not as popular as you think based on the 15 pages of complaints here. Please rethink your decision and give us back this oft preferred method of login. Based on our metrics, since the new Launcher was released in 2015 (beta in Oct, first release Dec) it had become the choice of the vast majority of players before we announced our plans to deprecate the old Launcher and our plans to close the legacy login method.
All the work and plans were based on metrics.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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Rach Lieber
Money Miners of Eden
2
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Posted - 2016.09.20 16:01:32 -
[295] - Quote
Hi, again, all this did was prevent the launcher from opening at all.. not sure what to do from here? |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3174
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Posted - 2016.09.20 16:06:31 -
[296] - Quote
Rach Lieber wrote:Hi, again, all this did was prevent the launcher from opening at all.. not sure what to do from here? Please send us a Support Ticket: https://support.eveonline.com/
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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CCP Snorlax
C C P C C P Alliance
1108
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Posted - 2016.09.20 16:07:38 -
[297] - Quote
Rach Lieber wrote:Hi, again, all this did was prevent the launcher from opening at all.. not sure what to do from here? Make sure your desktop is set to 32 bit color - see http://www.guidingtech.com/9914/change-from-16-bit-to-32-bit-color-windows-7/ for instructions, for example.
CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/
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Rach Lieber
Money Miners of Eden
2
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Posted - 2016.09.20 16:22:47 -
[298] - Quote
Fixed, THANK YOU!!! Apparently some program had switched me to 16 bit color switching back to 32 bit fixed everything. |
enotsmirb
Ezekiel 25 17
9
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Skia Aumer wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Neither the old Launcher nor the Repair Tool are supported anymore. Are you using the new Launcher? I don't. My desktop is running WinXP. Looks like game over for me, at least for a while.
Dll Error for me on the new launcher.... bye bye Eve |
Estidalor
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.09.20 23:32:27 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Estidalor wrote:There are many people out there still using win vista or xp that have no desire to upgrade their os or pc. It seems crazy to me that CCP has decided cut those people loose. That's indeed not the case that many were using these operating systems based on our metrics. Usage of Windows XP and Vista had become very minimal, the overhead of testing on those platforms had become a burden, and having to maintain compatibility with them was hindering development. We detailed this in our announcement in Feb this year: https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/changes-to-os-minimum-requirements/ Estidalor wrote:The new launcher obviously is not as popular as you think based on the 15 pages of complaints here. Please rethink your decision and give us back this oft preferred method of login. Based on our metrics, since the new Launcher was released in 2015 (beta in Oct, first release Dec) it had become the choice of the vast majority of players before we announced our plans to deprecate the old Launcher and our plans to close the legacy login method. All the work and plans were based on metrics.
Based on our metrics. what a joke. You may have released it back in 2015 but people weren't forced to use it until now.
You released the new map and probe scanning a while ago too but I know of noone that uses that either. But oh as long as your metrics say it is so...... |
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Spiezor
Puffheads almost anonymous
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Posted - 2016.09.21 11:11:00 -
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T +1 and I can still log on with XP. I'm very glad CCP seem to have changed their minds, and I doubt I'm the only one. CCP's net stats may say use is minimal, but global stats say XP is still being used on more than 10% of machines globally. Personally I won't upgrade to any MS OS, I looked at Vista, horrible, win 7 is meh, and tbh I've heard nothing but complaints about 8 & 10. when the time comes I'll migrate to linux, until then I hope CCP re-evaluates their decision to get rid of XP. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2016.09.21 11:56:08 -
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Spiezor wrote:T +1 and I can still log on with XP. I'm very glad CCP seem to have changed their minds, and I doubt I'm the only one. CCP's net stats may say use is minimal, but global stats say XP is still being used on more than 10% of machines globally. Personally I won't upgrade to any MS OS, I looked at Vista, horrible, win 7 is meh, and tbh I've heard nothing but complaints about 8 & 10. when the time comes I'll migrate to linux, until then I hope CCP re-evaluates their decision to get rid of XP.
CCP won't reevaluate that decision.
XP isn't supported by Microsoft. It's not going to be supported by new hardware. It can't be bought any more. Supporting it, from CCPs side, is a really bad idea. Especially as, long term, they're wanting to get rid of DX9 too.
I've been using windows 7, 8, 8.1 and 10, and to be honest, I've had no trouble with them. Nice stable OSes.
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
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Posted - 2016.09.21 12:29:58 -
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Estidalor wrote:There are many people out there still using win vista or xp that have no desire to upgrade their os or pc. First, there is no possible way for you to claim "many people." Please show me your metrics. Because when I show you mine, you'll see Windows XP and Vista being so little already, it's economically negligible. The best figure I could possibly produce is "less than 1 in 10". And this is on a global level. This does not even account for if people are even able to play Eve based on their hardware alone, just OS usage. So whoever says "many" has a perceptive problem and wants to create a false narrative just to fit their bill.
Second, I've been writing a couple of private mails already and mentioned on the forums and I say it again;
You don't need to spend a lot of money to make EvE run smooth again.
Windows 7 professional can be purchased for about 60 bucks, these are legit, unused OEM keys which are legal to be sold. Support will still run to 2020. Win 7 pro has a Windows XP emulation which has been solely created to be backwards compatible for companies who still have to rely on software using Windows XP architecture. That being said, even the compatibility mode of Win7 is much better than winXP.
A video card to support DirectX 11 is many years old already. If you have anything of the Geforce 400 series (2010) or above, and anything of the Radeon 5000 series (2009) or above, you're fine. We're talking about 6 to 7 years here. This is ways beyond "burning through hardware" and is fairly reasonable. Depending on what kind of DX11 features CCP actually uses, you could even work it out with DX 10.1 compatible cards, as many features from 10.1 are in DX11 already. That could allow you to go back another one or two generations. Anything in the price range of these cards to likely replace the one you already have is again very reasonable (even below 100), if you don't have a compatible one already. I talk about factory new cards here, not the used market. Not to mention you could possibly cut even with the investment of a new GPU since newer generations are more power efficient. Electricity bill is something almost everyone ignores when calculating their rig cost ROI.
I bid my fair time in upgrading my computers too. For example, when everyone jumped to Windows XP, I still was happy with my Dualboot of 2000 / 98. Only when Windows XP was ripe enough some time after Service pack 3, it was good enough for me to use it. Only a few months ago I made the step to Windows 7 which coincided with a new computer for work related reasons and the requirement to have an operating system which can actually run the software I require. I do not regret the upgrade.
Nobody in any posts could ever give a solid reason for why they don't want to upgrade. It was only "I dun wanna learn new things." Well suck it up, that's life. It's full of learning new things. Embrace it, don't fight it. Nobody could give me a work related reason why they still have to use Windows XP. Anyone who still has windows XP and has the money or time to play EvE online, can also afford a copy of Windows 7 and/or the GPU required. It's that simple.
The only reason anyone can still log in on Windows XP is luck. Not because CCP changed their minds, rather that they haven't rolled out all changes yet. Companies are no longer legally obliged to support Windows XP since 2014. I'm sure CCP would be happy to continue support Windows XP and Vista and DX9 if the complainers come up with the excess money to provide the additional staff necessary. But since these people can't even get a copy of Windows 7 or a GPU that is already a few years old, I doubt you'd do that. |
Dave PSI
Haendlergilde Gilde Alliance
12
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Posted - 2016.09.21 15:10:58 -
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At first i was a bit angry, that ccp removed the front end login. But i was still using the old launcher, which sucked to be honest.
But i gave the New Launcher a try and i have to say i like it. Didn't know it is possible to log in all account at once!!!! I really like the change. |
Estidalor
Viziam Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2016.09.21 15:32:13 -
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Drazz Caylen wrote:Estidalor wrote:There are many people out there still using win vista or xp that have no desire to upgrade their os or pc. The best figure I could possibly produce is "less than 1 in 10". And this is on a global level.
If you don't consider 10% of the player base many than you are a fool. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2016.09.21 16:59:44 -
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Estidalor wrote:Drazz Caylen wrote:Estidalor wrote:There are many people out there still using win vista or xp that have no desire to upgrade their os or pc. The best figure I could possibly produce is "less than 1 in 10". And this is on a global level. If you don't consider 10% of the player base many than you are a fool.
Where, exactly, have you got 10% from? CCP have metrics on what people are using. The number they're getting is, to their mind, not worth the extra time and money supporting.
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Do Little
Virgin Plc Evictus.
400
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Posted - 2016.09.21 17:42:09 -
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According to Wikipedia, WinXP is down to 6.3%. It celebrates it's 15th birthday next month and it hasn't had an update since SP3 in 2008 - that's a long time in this industry and it's time to move on! |
Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
68
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Posted - 2016.09.21 23:31:58 -
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TL;DR - not liking stats out of the ordinary? Just want to have your EvE related fix? Scroll to the bottom past the line.
Estidalor wrote:If you don't consider 10% of the player base many than you are a fool. Do you even context? I never said 10% of the playerbase. I said a figure that is less than 1 in 10 (which means less than 10%) of OVERALL average operating system use world wide, which has nothing to do with the metrics for gamers or a specific game after all.
No, one in ten is never many. It's a few. Nobody would ever say to a group of 10 people in a crowd of 100 "many". Colloquially, I've seen the term "many" used with an approximation to 50% or above, paired up there with "lots", although lots usually inclines more. "one in ten" is some. Or few. You have to put it in perspective. 100.000 people sounds like many, but 100.000 people compared to one million people is not many. Keep the relation.
Still you have not provided any reasonable metrics to back up your assumption. But I can. CCP related metrics only? Scroll down again past the line. On other fronts, let me help you out there. It doesn't even take much work you know. This flimsy research took me just a few minutes, much less time than writing this post and compiling the numbers over.
netmarketshare.com for August 2016, world wide: 9.36% WinXP , 1.5% Vista, 6.79% MacOS X (EvE supported), ~0.6% MacOS X (EvE unsupported), 2.11% Linux. gs.statcounter.com for July 2016, world wide: 6.36% WinXP, 9.61% MacOS X, Vista and Linux probably somewhere in the 5.16% "other" analytics.wikimedia.org for recent date 2016 (if we double all operating system percentages because I'm nice and say half of the stats are from mobile, thus irrelevant): WinXP 4%, Vista 1%, MacOS 11%, Linux 1,4% AV-comparatives.org small 14-day sample of 2022 users in December 2015: 2.7% WinXP, 0.8% Vista, 2.7% MacOS, and Linux was somewhere in the 2.5% mark. Steam Hardware Survey August 2016: 1.56% WinXP, Vista 0.24% , MacOS X 3.34% , Linux 0.83%
These are various sample sizes and demographics but you can see clearly where I got the "almost 1 in 10" as best case scenario for Windows XP. It dwindles massively from then on as the highest WinXP numbers are from globalized data. Since statcounter has such a nice filter option, I could peek at official language breakdowns and check the individual countries but some have two official languages which makes comparisons go funky. I'll break it down by certain "regional biggies" which I guess are okay to compare, also in accordance to eve online language subforums. All the data is July 2016.
Europe: WinXP 5.81%, MacOS X 10.53%, Linux 2.12 North America: WinXP 3.32%, MacOS X 16.82% Oceania: WinXP 2.32%, Vista 1.47%, MacOS X 21.72% Japan: WinXP 2.53%, Vista 2.85%, MacOS X 16.31%, Russia: WinXP 9.35%, MacOS X 5.1%
There you go, some demographics for you without even asking or touching CCP's own surveys. These numbers are collected from everywhere and everyone, not just gamers. If you go to any site which is more gaming related in content which has a survey, the numbers for Windows XP are similar to the Steam Survey.
Admittedly I have no idea why the minimum system requirements for MacOS are so tight to be 10.9+ which is only from 2013 but then again it seems you can upgrade free from the version that came out in 2007 or so. Which is still a ways away from Windows XP 2001.
I don't know how many maintain the Linux or mac client. I don't know how difficult it is through Linux and MacOS distributions to keep everything compatible and running with EvE. I do know there are grave differences between WinXP <--> Vista & Win7 <--> 8 & 8.1 & 10. Albeit Win10 is technically 8.2 with a lot of special snowflakyness... let's just not go there. Let's also not touch the DirectX debate, especially when we have to consider other APIs like Vulkan / OpenGL and Metal.
--------------------------- tis the line I was talkin' about before ---------------------------
But what's that, you don't care about all this? ...only about what CCP says? You are hereby served:
CCP Explorer wrote: Windows Vista - 0.6% Windows XP - 0.8% Source "Many", huh? Nowhere near. Please do yourself some service and consider backing up your claims before you make yourself look like a total fool. Mind you, these numbers seem to be from a Windows total perspective, not taking Linux and mac into account. Else these numbers would look even worse.
Wanting to know what CCP's stance is on Vulkan is if you think the Windows train should die in a fire? Served again:
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.09.22 09:27:20 -
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Spiezor wrote:T +1 and I can still log on with XP. I'm very glad CCP seem to have changed their minds, and I doubt I'm the only one. CCP's net stats may say use is minimal, but global stats say XP is still being used on more than 10% of machines globally. Personally I won't upgrade to any MS OS, I looked at Vista, horrible, win 7 is meh, and tbh I've heard nothing but complaints about 8 & 10. when the time comes I'll migrate to linux, until then I hope CCP re-evaluates their decision to get rid of XP. We haven't changed our minds, the ticket/work that will cause the old Launcher to stop working is about 4/9th done. The new Launcher doesn't support Windows XP so you won't be able to update or log in.
We are not going to re-evaluate our decision to stop Windows XP. When we decided to revamp the launcher in mid-2015 then we looked around for frameworks to write it in that would support Windows and Mac. We settled on Qt, and it doesn't support Windows XP. We looked at our metrics and based on the trend decided that time had come for Windows XP (and Windows Vista). The usage had become small, was becoming smaller and we couldn't justify using a subpar framework for our purposes nor the continued overhead of testing on XP and Vista.
I know that there are people who still use Windows XP and many more who remember it fondly (in particular SP2+). Unlike Windows Vista that nobody liked nor Windows 8. But since Windows XP there have been Windows 7, 8.1 and now 10 that have seen great adoption. Personally I really like Windows 8 because of features like Storage Spaces and the Start Button was quickly replaced by 3rd party software and then 8.1.
The time has passed for Windows XP. We should remember it, but we should stop using it.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.09.22 10:25:19 -
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Drazz Caylen wrote:CCP Explorer wrote: Windows Vista - 0.6% Windows XP - 0.8% Source "Many", huh? Nowhere near. Please do yourself some service and consider backing up your claims before you make yourself look like a total fool. Mind you, these numbers seem to be from a Windows total perspective, not taking Linux and mac into account. Else these numbers would look even worse. Updated numbers:- Windows 10 - 58.4%
- Windows 8.1 - 6.7%
- Windows 8 - 1.1%
- Windows 7 - 30.2%
- Windows Vista - 0.5%
- Windows XP - 0.3%
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.09.22 11:18:05 -
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No offence but 0.8% we really don't care about you if your sole goal is to hold the rest of us back.
Art of Explosions
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2016.09.22 12:10:38 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:No offense but 0.8% we really don't care about you if your sole goal is to hold the rest of us back. I'm sure that is not their goal in any way. Their goal is to not have to expend time and effort to move from an OS they like and know to one they do not like and have to learn.
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Fossor Wintersky
Ordinus Ursorum Cautorum
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Posted - 2016.09.22 21:27:49 -
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Thank you, CCP.
Now I can't launch your fu..d game. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1923
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Posted - 2016.09.23 14:40:05 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:No offense but 0.8% we really don't care about you if your sole goal is to hold the rest of us back. I'm sure that is not their goal in any way. Their goal is to not have to expend time and effort to move from an OS they like and know to one they do not like and have to learn.
and all the vulnerabilities, incompatibilities that come with it.
No not slowing down progress at all
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Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
342
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Posted - 2016.09.23 16:58:39 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:No not slowing down progress at all Oh, the progress. That's how you call it.
I was installing some device at client's lab. At the end of the day, chief of the lab comes in, I show her the device is working and we're about to head home. I'm switching off the comp. But then, the progress happened. "You cannot switch me off, miserable human" - said Windows, - "I am updating." Bloody hell! During installation, I connected to the internet trough 3G. I wasnt supposed to, the lab had no connection for ~reasons~ but now I'm busted. Alright, we're adult people and after some explanations tensions dissipate - lab chief seems to forgive me. "I'm still updating" - reminded Windows. So we went on talking. And talking. And on and on. And talking some more. And more. And even more. "Not yet" - Windows was taking its time. We discussed stuff. And other stuff. And even unrelated stuff was discussed too. "Ok, I'm done" - after about an hour Windows seems like felt my intentions to find some sledge hummer.
I for one like the progress. I just dont like when it's pushed down my throat. That being said, I totally understand CCP's decision and have no objections. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.09.25 18:18:59 -
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seems to me that the problem is not windows, but **** hardware or not enough planning around a large patch.
All of which stems from what, oh that's right: YOU
Art of Explosions
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
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Posted - 2016.09.27 13:14:53 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:No offense but 0.8% we really don't care about you if your sole goal is to hold the rest of us back. I'm sure that is not their goal in any way. Their goal is to not have to expend time and effort to move from an OS they like and know to one they do not like and have to learn.
If people aren't tech savvy enough to learn a new OS, then there is absolutely no way that they are tech savvy enough to use XP or Vista without something falling through all of the vulnerabilities that still exist in those systems and that are not getting patched out.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
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Don Pera Saissore
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Posted - 2016.09.30 12:33:47 -
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http://imgur.com/tUoeEtZ
good job guys |
Tyfanna
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2016.09.30 12:49:29 -
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Don Pera Saissore wrote:http://imgur.com/tUoeEtZ
good job guys
Same here, well i get some more content of the launcher but i can't log in or anything....thank you CCP for your reliable launcher and that you listened to your playerbase and waited with removing the exe-file login until the launcher was free of flaws...wait...
you fuckin kiddin me? |
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Sergey Hawk
The Sith Syndicate REFORD
140
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Posted - 2016.09.30 13:00:39 -
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so i'm not alone can't log in
Lauda about CCP New camera:
It's a sh.tbox! It zooms like crazy and centering before rotation is a disaster. It's amazing - all these dev teams, and you make a piece of crap like this.
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Andrew Gernander
Antisocial Inquisitors
0
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Posted - 2016.09.30 13:03:35 -
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Don Pera Saissore wrote:http://imgur.com/tUoeEtZ
good job guys
I had that one this morning. Running the launcher as administrator, doing the file verification, making sure cache permissions were correct, resetting version info, then restarting the computer got it to launch for me.
I'm running a vista laptop on a cellular wi-fi connection and borrowed time.
Not my main gaming PC and I'm saving up for a new one, but the roulette of eve launching/not launching on the old bird keeps me on my toes. |
Martinez Grabov
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2016.09.30 13:05:05 -
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my Launcher is not working too. Can't log into the game :( |
Vabrava
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.09.30 15:50:29 -
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Launcher broken. Genius idea CCP to disable the exefile. |
Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
119
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Posted - 2016.10.07 13:17:58 -
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If you log into the game and get an error message on the front end (assuming that still exists because legacy code) Can you then press login or does it now automatically close the client if an error has occured while logging in? |
podyou hard
The Educators
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Posted - 2016.11.01 14:15:31 -
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I have a HUGE problem with this change since I live in Beijing and China blocks most popular internet sources. The launcher uses external sources such as referencing google code, facebook or twitter. I'm not exactly sure what sources are being referenced by the launcher, but I do know that the game client connects and works fine for me, but the launcher rarely works. I have to turn on a vpn to get it to work.
CCP CHANGE IT BACK! |
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