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Jollyreaper
Gallente
Ace Adventure Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:48:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Jastor Morbix
Originally by: Soulita
Ask the GM to check the logs. He will be able to see what happened.
Yeah tried that.. he said he checked the logs... not an exploit... Also said hes not premitted to tell me how they did it.
So does he not know or does he know and refuses to tell you? Hmm. That sounds really bogus.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:48:00 -
[32]
As a high sec miner grieving ore thief yarr etc whatever, I have been longing for a simple system to cause aggression without the messy business of the miner having to do something to cause the aggression. Sadly I have been unable to find a way to do it.
Are you sure he didn't get CONCORDed?
If he fired illegally, and you had Drones out, your drones should have automatically aggressed him back, which means you technically defended yourself, which means you do not receive the Month Killrights usually associated with a suicide hit.
If you do find out how he did it, I'd love to hear how it is done.
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Jastor Morbix
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:48:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Jastor Morbix on 20/03/2007 16:51:31
Originally by: Jollyreaper
Originally by: Jastor Morbix
Originally by: Soulita
Ask the GM to check the logs. He will be able to see what happened.
Yeah tried that.. he said he checked the logs... not an exploit... Also said hes not premitted to tell me how they did it.
So does he not know or does he know and refuses to tell you? Hmm. That sounds really bogus.
Hmm.... no comment.
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Jollyreaper
Gallente
Ace Adventure Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:48:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Jastor Morbix
Originally by: Soulita
Ask the GM to check the logs. He will be able to see what happened.
Yeah tried that.. he said he checked the logs... not an exploit... Also said hes not premitted to tell me how they did it.
So does he not know or does he know and refuses to tell you? Hmm. That sounds really bogus.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:48:00 -
[35]
As a high sec miner grieving ore thief yarr etc whatever, I have been longing for a simple system to cause aggression without the messy business of the miner having to do something to cause the aggression. Sadly I have been unable to find a way to do it.
Are you sure he didn't get CONCORDed?
If he fired illegally, and you had Drones out, your drones should have automatically aggressed him back, which means you technically defended yourself, which means you do not receive the Month Killrights usually associated with a suicide hit.
If you do find out how he did it, I'd love to hear how it is done.
Eve: Cheats prosper. |
Jastor Morbix
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:48:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Jastor Morbix on 20/03/2007 16:51:31
Originally by: Jollyreaper
Originally by: Jastor Morbix
Originally by: Soulita
Ask the GM to check the logs. He will be able to see what happened.
Yeah tried that.. he said he checked the logs... not an exploit... Also said hes not premitted to tell me how they did it.
So does he not know or does he know and refuses to tell you? Hmm. That sounds really bogus.
Hmm.... no comment.
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Moltav Dreddstar
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:49:00 -
[37]
I had the same thing happen to me but I shot the ore thief down once I returned w/ my Black Bird. A few folks in local tried to reproduce the situation. We had no luck. I think if he puts out a can w/ your can's name and has popped your can, the window that you have open is HIS CAN. It is just a guess I have not tried this yet. (TQ is down to patch ATM.) I would love to understand this as well. I guess I can go troll the Pirate sites to see if i can find it tho....
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Moltav Dreddstar
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:49:00 -
[38]
I had the same thing happen to me but I shot the ore thief down once I returned w/ my Black Bird. A few folks in local tried to reproduce the situation. We had no luck. I think if he puts out a can w/ your can's name and has popped your can, the window that you have open is HIS CAN. It is just a guess I have not tried this yet. (TQ is down to patch ATM.) I would love to understand this as well. I guess I can go troll the Pirate sites to see if i can find it tho....
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Soulita
Gallente
Inner Core
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:50:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Jastor Morbix
Originally by: Soulita
Originally by: Jastor Morbix
Originally by: JackknifedII
Did he put something into your can and when you moved it to your cargo hold would that have flagged you?
Ive never tested that to see if it works but it might...who knows
Can you put stuff in someone elses can?
If so, how would taking from my own can be stealing?
THAT seems like an exploit to me.
Yes, you can put stuff into someone elses can. This is how the trick of the macrohunters works. The macro accidentally puts stuff in the wrong can cause it has the same name as its own can. Also if you are in an npc corp and the attacker is as well then you will see the green corp logo on both the wrong and the right can.
As I said in my first reply, I think thats what you might have done.
Using this trick is not an exploit btw.
U misunderstood my question.
I KNOW the can that was open was mine.
I never closed the can from the time it was originally launched.
My question was... can the ebil person put something into MY can so when I take it out of MY can its stealing?
Sorry, yea he can put stuff into your can. But then it is yours - 99% sure on that. You cant 'steal' from your own can. If this was the only thing that happened, you would not have lost the convetor.
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Soulita
Gallente
Inner Core
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:50:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Jastor Morbix
Originally by: Soulita
Originally by: Jastor Morbix
Originally by: JackknifedII
Did he put something into your can and when you moved it to your cargo hold would that have flagged you?
Ive never tested that to see if it works but it might...who knows
Can you put stuff in someone elses can?
If so, how would taking from my own can be stealing?
THAT seems like an exploit to me.
Yes, you can put stuff into someone elses can. This is how the trick of the macrohunters works. The macro accidentally puts stuff in the wrong can cause it has the same name as its own can. Also if you are in an npc corp and the attacker is as well then you will see the green corp logo on both the wrong and the right can.
As I said in my first reply, I think thats what you might have done.
Using this trick is not an exploit btw.
U misunderstood my question.
I KNOW the can that was open was mine.
I never closed the can from the time it was originally launched.
My question was... can the ebil person put something into MY can so when I take it out of MY can its stealing?
Sorry, yea he can put stuff into your can. But then it is yours - 99% sure on that. You cant 'steal' from your own can. If this was the only thing that happened, you would not have lost the convetor.
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Jastor Morbix
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:51:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Jastor Morbix on 20/03/2007 16:54:59
Originally by: Gaven Blands
As a high sec miner grieving ore thief yarr etc whatever, I have been longing for a simple system to cause aggression without the messy business of the miner having to do something to cause the aggression. Sadly I have been unable to find a way to do it.
Are you sure he didn't get CONCORDed?
If he fired illegally, and you had Drones out, your drones should have automatically aggressed him back, which means you technically defended yourself, which means you do not receive the Month Killrights usually associated with a suicide hit.
If you do find out how he did it, I'd love to hear how it is done.
Well... all I can say is, my ships death didnt happen quickly. It took several "vollys" of missiles. I never saw that pop up msg from concord saying he had done something illegal or whatever.
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Jastor Morbix
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:51:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Jastor Morbix on 20/03/2007 16:54:59
Originally by: Gaven Blands
As a high sec miner grieving ore thief yarr etc whatever, I have been longing for a simple system to cause aggression without the messy business of the miner having to do something to cause the aggression. Sadly I have been unable to find a way to do it.
Are you sure he didn't get CONCORDed?
If he fired illegally, and you had Drones out, your drones should have automatically aggressed him back, which means you technically defended yourself, which means you do not receive the Month Killrights usually associated with a suicide hit.
If you do find out how he did it, I'd love to hear how it is done.
Well... all I can say is, my ships death didnt happen quickly. It took several "vollys" of missiles. I never saw that pop up msg from concord saying he had done something illegal or whatever.
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Soulita
Gallente
Inner Core
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:54:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Soulita on 20/03/2007 16:55:40
Jastor, just for your info, so this thread does not get locked - You are not allowed to discuss GM actions on the forums.
Anyways, ask again or ask the petition be escalated. If this was some sort of undocumented feature I am fairly sure you will get an answer.
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Jastor Morbix
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:54:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Moltav Dreddstar
I had the same thing happen to me but I shot the ore thief down once I returned w/ my Black Bird. A few folks in local tried to reproduce the situation. We had no luck. I think if he puts out a can w/ your can's name and has popped your can, the window that you have open is HIS CAN. It is just a guess I have not tried this yet. (TQ is down to patch ATM.) I would love to understand this as well. I guess I can go troll the Pirate sites to see if i can find it tho....
Interesting..... seems like an exploit.
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Soulita
Gallente
Inner Core
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:54:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Soulita on 20/03/2007 16:55:40
Jastor, just for your info, so this thread does not get locked - You are not allowed to discuss GM actions on the forums.
Anyways, ask again or ask the petition be escalated. If this was some sort of undocumented feature I am fairly sure you will get an answer.
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Jastor Morbix
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:54:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Moltav Dreddstar
I had the same thing happen to me but I shot the ore thief down once I returned w/ my Black Bird. A few folks in local tried to reproduce the situation. We had no luck. I think if he puts out a can w/ your can's name and has popped your can, the window that you have open is HIS CAN. It is just a guess I have not tried this yet. (TQ is down to patch ATM.) I would love to understand this as well. I guess I can go troll the Pirate sites to see if i can find it tho....
Interesting..... seems like an exploit.
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Maam
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:56:00 -
[47]
Sounds very odd to me.
I'm 99.99% sure about that ... the ore itself has no owner.
The ownership is ALWAYS inherited from the owner of the container.
It all seems to boil down to "can you switcheroonie someone's can while they have it open?"
I'd ask for the petition to be looked at by a more senior GM, in case the original GM thought it was just a case of standard ore theft ... ie rubber stamp it, cookie cutter reply ... NEXT!
(No offence to the original GM. If people didn't petition every time a Guerista farted near them, they could actually spend some time looking into petitions that do need sorting!)
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Maam
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:56:00 -
[48]
Sounds very odd to me.
I'm 99.99% sure about that ... the ore itself has no owner.
The ownership is ALWAYS inherited from the owner of the container.
It all seems to boil down to "can you switcheroonie someone's can while they have it open?"
I'd ask for the petition to be looked at by a more senior GM, in case the original GM thought it was just a case of standard ore theft ... ie rubber stamp it, cookie cutter reply ... NEXT!
(No offence to the original GM. If people didn't petition every time a Guerista farted near them, they could actually spend some time looking into petitions that do need sorting!)
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Jastor Morbix
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:57:00 -
[49]
Originally by: SoulitaJastor, just for your info, so this thread does not get locked - You are not allowed to discuss GM actions on the forums.
Anyways, ask again or ask the petition be escalated. If this was some sort of undocumented feature I am fairly sure you will get an answer.[/quote
Point taken, Please edit my reply out of ur post too?
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Jastor Morbix
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:57:00 -
[50]
Originally by: SoulitaJastor, just for your info, so this thread does not get locked - You are not allowed to discuss GM actions on the forums.
Anyways, ask again or ask the petition be escalated. If this was some sort of undocumented feature I am fairly sure you will get an answer.[/quote
Point taken, Please edit my reply out of ur post too?
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Vayron
NovaeDyne Industries
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:59:00 -
[51]
Originally by: JackknifedII
Did he put something into your can and when you moved it to your cargo hold would that have flagged you?
You can remove items from a can you do not own, but you can not place items inside a can you do not own.
Most likely his drones auto attacked when the guy warped back and locked target. It's also very likely the attacker assumed a macro miner was flying the ship he was trying to attack.
Next time you see someone steal ore, talk about it in local chat. When you see someone approaching, try to start a conversation with them. If they are hunting macro miners and you give them reassurance you aren't one they will move on.
"Another day, another million ISK" |
Vayron
NovaeDyne Industries
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:59:00 -
[52]
Originally by: JackknifedII
Did he put something into your can and when you moved it to your cargo hold would that have flagged you?
You can remove items from a can you do not own, but you can not place items inside a can you do not own.
Most likely his drones auto attacked when the guy warped back and locked target. It's also very likely the attacker assumed a macro miner was flying the ship he was trying to attack.
Next time you see someone steal ore, talk about it in local chat. When you see someone approaching, try to start a conversation with them. If they are hunting macro miners and you give them reassurance you aren't one they will move on.
"Another day, another million ISK" |
Jastor Morbix
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Posted - 2007.03.20 17:01:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Vayron
Originally by: JackknifedII
Did he put something into your can and when you moved it to your cargo hold would that have flagged you?
You can remove items from a can you do not own, but you can not place items inside a can you do not own.
Most likely his drones auto attacked when the guy warped back and locked target. It's also very likely the attacker assumed a macro miner was flying the ship he was trying to attack.
Next time you see someone steal ore, talk about it in local chat. When you see someone approaching, try to start a conversation with them. If they are hunting macro miners and you give them reassurance you aren't one they will move on.
Yep, tried local and private. No reply in local and refused my private.
<gotta go to work now check the thread later thanks everyone>
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Jastor Morbix
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Posted - 2007.03.20 17:01:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Vayron
Originally by: JackknifedII
Did he put something into your can and when you moved it to your cargo hold would that have flagged you?
You can remove items from a can you do not own, but you can not place items inside a can you do not own.
Most likely his drones auto attacked when the guy warped back and locked target. It's also very likely the attacker assumed a macro miner was flying the ship he was trying to attack.
Next time you see someone steal ore, talk about it in local chat. When you see someone approaching, try to start a conversation with them. If they are hunting macro miners and you give them reassurance you aren't one they will move on.
Yep, tried local and private. No reply in local and refused my private.
<gotta go to work now check the thread later thanks everyone>
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Sapeian
Caldari
The LoneStar Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.20 17:02:00 -
[55]
Sound's to me like were not getting the full story,
seems far more likely becuase the guy was in a small ship Jastor agroed back with drones,
and thus got popped.
thats what i think,
i could be well wrong though.
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Sapeian
Caldari
The LoneStar Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.20 17:02:00 -
[56]
Sound's to me like were not getting the full story,
seems far more likely becuase the guy was in a small ship Jastor agroed back with drones,
and thus got popped.
thats what i think,
i could be well wrong though.
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Sobrenus
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Posted - 2007.03.20 17:06:00 -
[57]
Ok, just try:
1. Take same ore the victim is mining
2. Jettison this ore near his can
3. Put some ore from your can to his can.
4. Fly away and come back a little bit later on 
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Sobrenus
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Posted - 2007.03.20 17:06:00 -
[58]
Ok, just try:
1. Take same ore the victim is mining
2. Jettison this ore near his can
3. Put some ore from your can to his can.
4. Fly away and come back a little bit later on
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Phyrr
Minmatar
Firing Squad
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.20 17:07:00 -
[59]
you cannot place items into another individuals can.
I macrohunted for a very long time. It is not how he got you flagged. My guess is he played sleight of hand with the cargo container windows. If you even touch an item in his can without transfering you get flagged.
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Phyrr
Minmatar
Firing Squad
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.20 17:07:00 -
[60]
you cannot place items into another individuals can.
I macrohunted for a very long time. It is not how he got you flagged. My guess is he played sleight of hand with the cargo container windows. If you even touch an item in his can without transfering you get flagged.
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