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Korizan	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:12:00 - [61] Sounds like there is a bug and the GM's were told to keep it quiet till it could be fixed. (I AM GUESSING HERE) If so not telling you has had the reverse effect and now everyone who reads this board now knows it and there will be people trying to duplicate it. The lack of response from the GM is puzzling. As far as I know. You can steal from anyone. (this will get you flagged) You CAN'T put items into another persons can (wondering if this is the bit that is broke) Back to the stealing. If you steal are you flagged to everyone in that persons corp AND anyone in that group. I know this is the catch though If you attack them when they steal from you you can only attack the stealer. The other people in the corp (group to be answered) can't not be engaged till they attack you. Am I right High sec rules can be a real pain.
Korizan	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:12:00 - [62] Sounds like there is a bug and the GM's were told to keep it quiet till it could be fixed. (I AM GUESSING HERE) If so not telling you has had the reverse effect and now everyone who reads this board now knows it and there will be people trying to duplicate it. The lack of response from the GM is puzzling. As far as I know. You can steal from anyone. (this will get you flagged) You CAN'T put items into another persons can (wondering if this is the bit that is broke) Back to the stealing. If you steal are you flagged to everyone in that persons corp AND anyone in that group. I know this is the catch though If you attack them when they steal from you you can only attack the stealer. The other people in the corp (group to be answered) can't not be engaged till they attack you. Am I right High sec rules can be a real pain.
lusifar	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:52:00 - [63] Originally by: warpod Is he BoB? that was JUST my thought...
lusifar	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:52:00 - [64] Originally by: warpod Is he BoB? that was JUST my thought...
CrestoftheStars Deviance Inc	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:55:00 - [65] Originally by: Soulita Edited by: Soulita on 20/03/2007 16:29:14 My guess is you did in fact take from the other guys can. It is a well known method to place a can next to a miner which has the same name as the miners can. As soon as the miner accidentaly opens that can (which is not his) the owner of the can gets killrights. This tactic used to be used by macrohunters to make the macro killable. If you realy did not touch the other guys can, then you will get your covetor replaced. one more exsploit that the devs don't care about:P ___________________________________________ if eve had This kind of control system combinet with it's SP and advanced weaponry system it have. http://sco.gpotato.com/
CrestoftheStars Deviance Inc	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:55:00 - [66] Originally by: Soulita Edited by: Soulita on 20/03/2007 16:29:14 My guess is you did in fact take from the other guys can. It is a well known method to place a can next to a miner which has the same name as the miners can. As soon as the miner accidentaly opens that can (which is not his) the owner of the can gets killrights. This tactic used to be used by macrohunters to make the macro killable. If you realy did not touch the other guys can, then you will get your covetor replaced. one more exsploit that the devs don't care about:P ___________________________________________ if eve had This kind of control system combinet with it's SP and advanced weaponry system it have. http://sco.gpotato.com/
Terminus adacai Caldari Mintaka Mining Inc	Posted - 2007.03.20 18:04:00 - [67] I have known this OP in game for many months. He is a straight shooter, no BS. When he told me what had happened, we quickly said file reimbursement and exploit petitions. The response he got was "we can't tell you, but it wasn't an exploit." Seems to me that something is amiss. If you can get a non aggressive miner flagged to give you kill rights, something is up. The response was very lacking... Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp.
Terminus adacai Caldari Mintaka Mining Inc	Posted - 2007.03.20 18:04:00 - [68] I have known this OP in game for many months. He is a straight shooter, no BS. When he told me what had happened, we quickly said file reimbursement and exploit petitions. The response he got was "we can't tell you, but it wasn't an exploit." Seems to me that something is amiss. If you can get a non aggressive miner flagged to give you kill rights, something is up. The response was very lacking... Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp.
Phyrr Minmatar Firing Squad Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.20 18:08:00 - [69] i guess no one read my post? No exploit as far as i'm aware.
Phyrr Minmatar Firing Squad Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.20 18:08:00 - [70] i guess no one read my post? No exploit as far as i'm aware.
Jastor Morbix	Posted - 2007.03.20 18:21:00 - [71] Originally by: Sapeian Sound's to me like were not getting the full story, seems far more likely becuase the guy was in a small ship Jastor agroed back with drones, and thus got popped. thats what i think, i could be well wrong though. When the ore was stolen, I had miner drones out. They cant fight. When the theif left, I did put out hobgoblins, but I never targeted him. So unless the drones launched after the theft can auto-attack, I dont see how I agressed them. <love posting from work :P >
Nye Jaran	Posted - 2007.03.20 18:23:00 - [72] Originally by: Phyrr i guess no one read my post? No exploit as far as i'm aware. I'm sure people have read your post. You, however, appear to have missed a key element in the OP's post. Before the ore was stolen, OP alleges that he had the Jet Can window open. OP also claims that at no time did said jet can window close. I'll guess that it can also be said that OP never opened another jet can window. So either the OP is lying or there is now a way to change jet can ownership without affecting the jet can owner's interface. Assuming that the OP is truthful and presented all of the facts (not just perceptions), then there is a bug / exploit. I know what I'll be doing when I get home from work tonight. Time to break out the test character again.
Jastor Morbix	Posted - 2007.03.20 18:25:00 - [73] Originally by: Phyrr you cannot place items into another individuals can. I macrohunted for a very long time. It is not how he got you flagged. My guess is he played sleight of hand with the cargo container windows. If you even touch an item in his can without transfering you get flagged. He would have had to open his can on my screen. I never closed my can from the time I launched it. His can showed up yellow. I never opened that one.
Nye Jaran	Posted - 2007.03.20 18:26:00 - [74] Originally by: Jastor Morbix When the ore was stolen, I had miner drones out. They cant fight. When the theif left, I did put out hobgoblins, but I never targeted him. So unless the drones launched after the theft can auto-attack, I dont see how I agressed them. <love posting from work :P > Ok, I'm Caldari, I don't play with drones a lot, so I'm curious... Is it possible that by having drones out during the theft, he'd be automatically attacked when he came back? I'm thinking that the mining drones had him flagged for the theft, and then when you swapped out to hobgoblins, that flag was inheritted. Like I said, I don't play around with drones much, so I don't know if that's possible or not, just asking.
Jastor Morbix	Posted - 2007.03.20 18:34:00 - [75] Originally by: Nye Jaran Before the ore was stolen, OP alleges that he had the Jet Can window open. OP also claims that at no time did said jet can window close. I'll guess that it can also be said that OP never opened another jet can window. So either the OP is lying or there is now a way to change jet can ownership without affecting the jet can owner's interface. Assuming that the OP is truthful and presented all of the facts (not just perceptions), then there is a bug / exploit. I know what I'll be doing when I get home from work tonight. Time to break out the test character again. Correct, the original can was open since I started mining. It was still open when I took some ore back out. It stayed open until the ore theif emptied it and it popped. There was another can created by him (yellow) which I left alone. I jetisoned the ore from my cargo into a NEW container. Then got popped. Please let me know what u find out. Im going to try some testing myself tonight.
Jastor Morbix	Posted - 2007.03.20 20:40:00 - [76] Just did some interesting testing... Although I couldnt replicate the situation I was in yesterday. In this test <not what happened yesterday>, when someone stole ore from me, he turned red/flashing as expected. When I targeted him, WITHOUT SHOOTING, He got aggro towards me. Just targeting... no firing... That shouldnt happen should it?
Becq Starforged Minmatar Minmatar Ship Construction Services	Posted - 2007.03.20 21:11:00 - [77] Originally by: Jastor Morbix Just did some interesting testing... Although I couldnt replicate the situation I was in yesterday. In this test <not what happened yesterday>, when someone stole ore from me, he turned red/flashing as expected. When I targeted him, WITHOUT SHOOTING, He got aggro towards me. Just targeting... no firing... That shouldnt happen should it? If a target has been flagged, and you lock said target (even if you don't fire) is this enough for your drones to decide to shoot the target? Drones seem to be getting less and less reliable ever since that brief, shining period where they fixed the logic ... before overwriting the fix with Revelations code. -- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today!
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2007.03.20 21:26:00 - [78] Edited by: Soulita on 20/03/2007 21:31:12 Edited by: Soulita on 20/03/2007 21:25:20 Originally by: Jastor Morbix Just did some interesting testing... Although I couldnt replicate the situation I was in yesterday. In this test <not what happened yesterday>, when someone stole ore from me, he turned red/flashing as expected. When I targeted him, WITHOUT SHOOTING, He got aggro towards me. Just targeting... no firing... That shouldnt happen should it? No, that should not happen. Btw, tried out this can situation, if you open someone elses can and click on the items in there, it does not aggro you. It only aggros you if you move the stuff around in his container or take it. But if you have the warning window enabled it will pop up as soon as you try to move the stuff. So if you have the warning window on, I realy see no way how the guy could have gotten killrights on you without you recognizing - other than bugged drones of course. Seems very clear to me that if all you said is true then you should get your stuff reimbursed. Btw, a dev comment on this would be good.
Barrick Stormsworn Minmatar CAD Inc. Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.03.20 21:41:00 - [79] Just to throw this out there, though I'm not sure how helpful it'll be, there was a change to the drones code a while back regarding how their commands worked with flagging. Logistics/repping drones used in high sec used to be considered aggressive, so when you tried to rep someone it'd warn you that you would be attacked by CONCORD if you sicked your drones on a person to repair them. IIRC, this was fixed at one point so the warning didn't come up, but silently reversed later on (code overwrite, as a previous poster suggested?). I haven't been in high sec in a while, though, so I'm not really sure what the status of this is. I seem to remember some mining and EW drone commands having similar issues, depending on the circumstances, which leads me to believe that this situation is actually attributed to a drone bug rather than a prat exploit. Potentially, the mining drones aggressed the thief, even though they couldn't do anything, and, considering himself quite lucky, he went to get combat fitted and find a mate to return and pop you. Wish he had replied so you could get the other side of the story and find out what he had actually done...
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.03.20 21:56:00 - [80] yurgh.. so much text already just wanted to throw in this: shoving around (aka picking something up then "canceling" that action by dropping it right away) stuff in a foreign can, but not taking it, still results in aggro
Jastor Morbix	Posted - 2007.03.22 01:19:00 - [81] I got an email yesterday suggesting that if you and the ore theif are taking the same piece of ore from your jetcan at the same exact time, and it hits his can before u get it into your cargo hold, eve considers it stealing from the THEIFS can. Although you never opened the theif's can, you have stolen it from him. Anyone wanna test this one out and let me know? Although, even if its true, I wont be able to petition it...... Maybe one of you can.
glennkari Gallente DaHOOD Communication	Posted - 2007.03.22 01:42:00 - [82] Originally by: Nye Jaran Originally by: Jastor Morbix When the ore was stolen, I had miner drones out. They cant fight. When the theif left, I did put out hobgoblins, but I never targeted him. So unless the drones launched after the theft can auto-attack, I dont see how I agressed them. <love posting from work :P > Ok, I'm Caldari, I don't play with drones a lot, so I'm curious... Is it possible that by having drones out during the theft, he'd be automatically attacked when he came back? I'm thinking that the mining drones had him flagged for the theft, and then when you swapped out to hobgoblins, that flag was inheritted. Like I said, I don't play around with drones much, so I don't know if that's possible or not, just asking. Drones dont attack untill you tell them to, unless someone/something agresses you after there launched. Simply beaing targeted dosent make them attack, nor does a criminal flag.
Sasha Krah'n	Posted - 2007.03.22 03:53:00 - [83] lol yes jestor...you've just been can-flagged very common, and we are very good at duplicating it :)
Jastor Morbix	Posted - 2007.03.22 04:06:00 - [84] Originally by: Sasha Krah'n lol yes jestor...you've just been can-flagged very common, and we are very good at duplicating it :) The common one is replacing my can with yours. Then I accidently steal from your can. Im talking about never touching your can at all.
FreelancerAlpha	Posted - 2007.03.22 05:36:00 - [85] Originally by: Jastor Morbix I got an email yesterday suggesting that if you and the ore theif are taking the same piece of ore from your jetcan at the same exact time, and it hits his can before u get it into your cargo hold, eve considers it stealing from the THEIFS can. Although you never opened the theif's can, you have stolen it from him. Anyone wanna test this one out and let me know? Although, even if its true, I wont be able to petition it...... Maybe one of you can. Yikes, I hope that isn't the case
Jastor Morbix	Posted - 2007.04.09 14:15:00 - [86] Edited by: Jastor Morbix on 09/04/2007 14:12:17 Finally got my petition response... ....logs show u stole or back... blah blah blah ...can not return your ship.... So be careful out there people. Theres a exploit, but no one will look into it. /me shake head Im done with petitions.
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.09 16:20:00 - [87] First off, sorry for your loss... So far, every time an ore thief has hit my can, they have scooped everything out of it... if they made and named another can first, and scooped your ore to it, your can would have closed... or should have... but it sounds to me like they did not clear your can, thus it never closed on your screen... I also know from experience that the Thief's can is yellow and mine is white, another clue it's not the same can... as this is well known, I again assume you can tell the difference and so ignored the copy can... (ItÆs the color change that makes me think that you have to be half asleep to open the other can and know better then to play eve while sleeping) The only thing I can think of goes back to your drones, you said you launched themà Did you give them any instructions after that? Here is my point, you launch drones, they are in an unassigned state, the thief returns and locks you, you auto lock in return and the Drones may attack... if on the other hand, you had clicked the return and orbit, the drones are "Assigned" and perhaps will not attack... I have not tested this theory as I am stuck at work... the problem would then be with the initialization of the Combat Drone Object when spawned (launched). Noob in training...
Rab	Posted - 2007.04.09 16:54:00 - [88] There is a bug extant where drones can aggro people without any logical reason, seems drones can sometimes register someone as being agressive and attack back if they mess with cans. Sounds silly? Cost a guy a billion isk ship when the friend he was missioning with but not grouped with pulled drone aggro (he wasn't targeting drones or player, nor targeted, he had no smartbombs fitted) and the drones attacked him for doing something with a can. Then Concord showed up and killed the owner of the drones for an apparent agressive action that his drones did. Im guessing this guy did something to your can and your drones attacked him, as he was already flagged to you concord didn't join in, but it gave him the right to kill you. Non petitionable I would guess, CCP logs dont include how aggro was created for some strange reason, I would think damage and how it is dealt would be the main content of such a log. - In an infinite universe, everything is definite. -
Miter	Posted - 2007.04.14 14:03:00 - [89] Edited by: Miter on 14/04/2007 14:02:38 Quote: I got an email yesterday suggesting that if you and the ore theif are taking the same piece of ore from your jetcan at the same exact time, and it hits his can before u get it into your cargo hold, eve considers it stealing from the THEIFS can. Although you never opened the theif's can, you have stolen it from him. Somehow this seems the most plausible. With exact timing, and no combining of ore piles (to mess up item ids), I would believe that this is possible. The location of an item that you are actively dragging could change and be inside his can, if he dropped it there a fraction of a second before you dropped it into cargo.... and that would look like re-stealing ore in the logs. If it happened this way, there is a bug if you didn't get a warning window and you have the warnings turned on. I'll see if I can test this and post some results here. The reason I think this is plausible is that I have passed BMs around between chars, and have seen 'ghost' images in the can of BMs that were no longer there, they were in the other char's hold. I received the message "XYZ is not yours to take." or something similar. I'm thinking if that BM was in a nearby 'enemy' can that I'd be flagged as thief instead (and in the case of ghost icons, I further think this flagging could happen well after the transfer was made to his can.) (But I also think you'd get the theft warning if you weren't transferring at exactly the same time.)
dor amwar Occam's Razor Combine	Posted - 2007.04.14 15:18:00 - [90] just quickly scanning through the posts and the petition response a simple answer could be it was never removed from your container. the thief just 'moved' the stuff in your can but did not 'remove' it. that would itself have him flagged, the ore belongs to him but it is in your can. you then take his ore from your can and he gets agro rights. dunno, just a guess ...

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