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Ralle030583 Gallente The Phoenix cor Phoenix Allianz	Posted - 2007.03.20 19:08:00 - [1] Why the hell should we now have to be on drop of location to finish the mission? I'm flying mission for administration agents and there are also lot of couriers, my char wo is flying there CANT transport 7K load, so i was used to let it do somebody else per escrow and later per contract.... and that isnt possible now anymore... You need a free Killboard? check: http:\\wwww.eve-kill.net
Michiru Kaiou	Posted - 2007.03.20 21:27:00 - [2] Confirmed. The agent replies with "You have to be at the drop off location to deliver the items in person." Why the change and why the stealth? Bad form CCP.
Ralle030583 Gallente The Phoenix cor Phoenix Allianz	Posted - 2007.03.20 21:58:00 - [3] it only sucks.... You need a free Killboard? check: http:\\wwww.eve-kill.net
Goldis	Posted - 2007.03.20 22:41:00 - [4] its good, coz in several missions that needed transporting of, say, coolant, you could buy it at target station and skip the mission entirely. still, I havent seen a mission yet in which its a single item thats 7k m3, try more than one trip
Dangermouse DM Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.03.20 22:47:00 - [5] Most courier missions (level 4 ones anyway) are unique items that you can't do that, it may say construction blocks but it really isn't. 7k m3 is the standard construction courier mission and is I think the highest volume mission you can get other than the 40k storyline.
Ralle030583 Gallente The Phoenix cor Phoenix Allianz	Posted - 2007.03.20 23:51:00 - [6] Edited by: Ralle030583 on 20/03/2007 23:47:48 most of my missions are crates of XXX with 5-7K m¦ ... and that is the problem... its even impossible to buy this item on target station ... 90% of my missions are unique mission items.. the **** with coolant and poly is only lvl 1-3 You need a free Killboard? check: http:\\wwww.eve-kill.net

Zrakor	Posted - 2007.03.21 00:00:00 - [7] This was an exploit fix.

Dynast	Posted - 2007.03.21 00:10:00 - [8] Originally by: Zrakor This was an exploit fix. Well, it was awfully nice functionality that just got hacked off to fix whatever exploit was involved. Really, is there any good reason thousands of years in the future that you should not be able to do business at range?
Ralle030583 Gallente The Phoenix cor Phoenix Allianz	Posted - 2007.03.21 00:33:00 - [9] Originally by: Zrakor This was an exploit fix. exploit fix ... and what exploit was is??? when its fixed you can tell it know... want understand why i now cant do my missions without paying double for, on the person who transport it for me and than the time that i have to went to target location to finish the damm mission You need a free Killboard? check: http:\\wwww.eve-kill.net
Shoukei	Posted - 2007.03.21 01:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Ralle030583 Originally by: Zrakor This was an exploit fix. exploit fix ... and what exploit was is??? when its fixed you can tell it know... want understand why i now cant do my missions without paying double for, on the person who transport it for me and than the time that i have to went to target location to finish the damm mission an educated response to an educated post: cry me a river
Ralle030583 Gallente The Phoenix cor Phoenix Allianz	Posted - 2007.03.21 01:29:00 - [11] it werent a prob if i could choose my mission type.. i'm playing over one year at same agents... when i started at the agents i had 75% killmission and 25% transport.... that wasnt a problem i could ignore the few courier but now? i getting 75% transport from the same agents, so i start to paye ppl to transport the good that i could fly my killmissions.. but now i HAVE to skill hauler because of the last change! and that really sucks, i dont want to do courier missions all the day .. havent the time, i only playing a few hours and i was glad that on the next day i come online, i could finish the courier and made my kill mission or some pvp (i'm living in low sec so plz dont come with mission runner earn so much in high sec) You need a free Killboard? check: http:\\wwww.eve-kill.net
Farrellus Cameron Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.21 02:32:00 - [12] He's saying that completing the mission while not being there was an exploit. If you take a courier mission you are expected to be the one delivering it. You can still have someone else ship it, but the guy with the mission has to get there too. Makes sense to me, but don't let me stop you from whining. ----------------------------------------------------
Da Tosser Enterprising Trolls With Flamethrowers	Posted - 2007.03.21 02:43:00 - [13] Just skill up industrial to lvl 4. It doesnt take long. Get rig for cargo expanding. Fit some cargo expanders. Viola, courier mission time. Quick and always get bonus. If you are too lazy to do the mission yourself, why should you get credit for it? Exploit: A smart person would travel about on one account accepting missions and use his other 3 accounts to move the goods. Then he would collect ISK and LP for a lot less work involved. Is possible to grind alot of LP across many agents really quick. You dont see me complaining of change though. Is a smart move.
Michiru Kaiou	Posted - 2007.03.21 02:50:00 - [14] Originally by: Da Tosser If you are too lazy to do the mission yourself, why should you get credit for it? I look forward to the next patch when players doing combat missions are required to kill all the NPCs solo.
Linerra Tedora Amarr The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.21 03:19:00 - [15] stop whining... realize it was an exploit what you were doing and take it like a man. If it bothers you so much, move and change agents. EVE knows that alot of other people have had to do that. Think about jita, how many agents have been removed from there. When you take a mission, it's meant for you to do the job, no matter how you get it there. You can't get other players to fly out and kill your kill missions for you. You have to even be there for the mission to spawn. Why should courier missions be any different.' Nothing to see here, move along.. move along... these were not the drones you were looking for.
Karma Coma The Rising Stars	Posted - 2007.03.21 03:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Linerra Tedora stop whining... realize it was an exploit what you were doing and take it like a man. If it bothers you so much, move and change agents. EVE knows that alot of other people have had to do that. Think about jita, how many agents have been removed from there. When you take a mission, it's meant for you to do the job, no matter how you get it there. You can't get other players to fly out and kill your kill missions for you. You have to even be there for the mission to spawn. Why should courier missions be any different.' Nothing to see here, move along.. move along... these were not the drones you were looking for. signed. everyone else deals with having to do the couriers, so now you can enjoy them too.
Dust Angel Harvest System Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.21 08:30:00 - [17] Hello Zarkor, what exploit that you suposidly fixed? Because, honnestly this is bullcrap. And if people want to pay noobs to do their lvl 4 missions, more power to them. I never did that, im an 0.0 courrier agent, but wtf? WHAT EXPLOIT? snip Inappropriate signature. Please do not reuse it. Email us for more information -Eldo ([email protected])

Zrakor	Posted - 2007.03.21 09:49:00 - [18] The exploit was, if you hoard up the commodities needed for the missions in every station in the vicinity, you can instantly complete the courier missions for your agent. There were people doing this en masse. You can still ask other people to transport the goods for you to the station, and then go there in a shuttle yourself in no time to take care of the transaction.

Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.21 09:52:00 - [19] Look it in RL: the person accepting the transport job isn't always the one delivering the item. What the one wanting the item is interested in is the delivery, not who drive the truk. It can be different for some item (and that can be used for the soryline missions and some other) but if all I am interested is a delivery of 10 m3 of gasoline, if the tanker is piloted by Joe or Buck for me it is totally indifferent. So if the item is in the hangar of the right pilot and the pilot contact the corp for delivery, it is a bit strange that the can't deliver it.
Dust Angel Harvest System Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.21 09:52:00 - [20] Edited by: Dust Angel on 21/03/2007 09:49:52 If im not mistaken Zarkor, arnt lvl 4 missions based on unique items? So how can you horde those? I mean, i run 2 lvl 4 agents, i get a crate of spirits thats 2km3, and some bluepill thats 900m3, you cant get these items any way else cept thru the mission. Yeah, i can see it so for smaller commodities... but just change the mission for the lower ends. Dont punish us lvl 4 mission runners, esp us 0.0 mission runners. EDIT- with dragon code, it converted all the missions to unique items (at least for courriers that i saw, was only running lvl 4s at that time). So why are we getting punished? snip Inappropriate signature. Please do not reuse it. Email us for more information -Eldo ([email protected])
Farrellus Cameron Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.21 09:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Dust Angel Hello Zarkor, what exploit that you suposidly fixed? Because, honnestly this is bullcrap. And if people want to pay noobs to do their lvl 4 missions, more power to them. I never did that, im an 0.0 courrier agent, but wtf? WHAT EXPLOIT? Being able to run dozens of courier missions without leaving the solarsystem is an exploit. There's no objective definition of exploit, it's whatever the devs say it is. It means using the mechanics in a way not intended by the devs, and they said this qualifies. YOU CAN STILL HAVE OTHER PEOPLE DELIVER YOUR GOODS. You just have to be on the other end now when they get there. Even kill mission runners who use alts have to physically go to the encounter because there's no way to copy the mission bookmark out of your bookmark folder. They specifically did that so that one person couldn't accept the mission and then hand out the bookmarks to other people and not have to leave the station. ----------------------------------------------------
Farrellus Cameron Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.21 09:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Venkul Mul Look it in RL: the person accepting the transport job isn't always the one delivering the item. What the one wanting the item is interested in is the delivery, not who drive the truk. It can be different for some item (and that can be used for the soryline missions and some other) but if all I am interested is a delivery of 10 m3 of gasoline, if the tanker is piloted by Joe or Buck for me it is totally indifferent. So if the item is in the hangar of the right pilot and the pilot contact the corp for delivery, it is a bit strange that the can't deliver it. DUDE, IT'S A VIDEO GAME! Do you really need a list of the dozens and dozens of things that are put in EVE that would be completely ridiculous in RL but are in it because of mechanics and playability issues? ----------------------------------------------------
Dust Angel Harvest System Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.21 09:56:00 - [23] Edited by: Dust Angel on 21/03/2007 09:54:56 Originally by: Farrellus Cameron Originally by: Dust Angel Hello Zarkor, what exploit that you suposidly fixed? Because, honnestly this is bullcrap. And if people want to pay noobs to do their lvl 4 missions, more power to them. I never did that, im an 0.0 courrier agent, but wtf? WHAT EXPLOIT? Being able to run dozens of courier missions without leaving the solarsystem is an exploit. There's no objective definition of exploit, it's whatever the devs say it is. It means using the mechanics in a way not intended by the devs, and they said this qualifies. YOU CAN STILL HAVE OTHER PEOPLE DELIVER YOUR GOODS. You just have to be on the other end now when they get there. Even kill mission runners who use alts have to physically go to the encounter because there's no way to copy the mission bookmark out of your bookmark folder. They specifically did that so that one person couldn't accept the mission and then hand out the bookmarks to other people and not have to leave the station. ok, you ignorant tard. You undock, warp to mission, gang your alt, voila, he can now warp to you and do the mission. Your arguement fails. ITs bull that i can do my missions (i generally run 2-3 at one time), then come back and turn them all in. and accept a new round of missions. ITs not a matter of doing the mission. I did the goddamned missions. i hauled the 6km3 hither and thon. I come back to my agent and want to tell em "hey, its done" BUT NO, i gotta go fly 5 jumps across hostile territory, AGAIN, to say "its done". What the heck does it matter when the goods are in the right place? snip Inappropriate signature. Please do not reuse it. Email us for more information -Eldo ([email protected])
Farrellus Cameron Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:01:00 - [24] Originally by: Dust Angel Edited by: Dust Angel on 21/03/2007 09:49:52 If im not mistaken Zarkor, arnt lvl 4 missions based on unique items? So how can you horde those? I mean, i run 2 lvl 4 agents, i get a crate of spirits thats 2km3, and some bluepill thats 900m3, you cant get these items any way else cept thru the mission. Yeah, i can see it so for smaller commodities... but just change the mission for the lower ends. Dont punish us lvl 4 mission runners, esp us 0.0 mission runners. EDIT- with dragon code, it converted all the missions to unique items (at least for courriers that i saw, was only running lvl 4s at that time). So why are we getting punished? I've seen many, many courier missions that just use trade goods. I've even replaced goods that were destroyed by low sec gankers and completed the mission. The fact is that its a group of people exploiting the mechanic excessively and forcing CCP to remove it. It happens all the time in EVE. CCP has to remove the mechanic because it's being heavily abused, despite it possibly being used legitimately by others. ----------------------------------------------------
Dust Angel Harvest System Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Farrellus Cameron Originally by: Dust Angel Edited by: Dust Angel on 21/03/2007 09:49:52 If im not mistaken Zarkor, arnt lvl 4 missions based on unique items? So how can you horde those? I mean, i run 2 lvl 4 agents, i get a crate of spirits thats 2km3, and some bluepill thats 900m3, you cant get these items any way else cept thru the mission. Yeah, i can see it so for smaller commodities... but just change the mission for the lower ends. Dont punish us lvl 4 mission runners, esp us 0.0 mission runners. EDIT- with dragon code, it converted all the missions to unique items (at least for courriers that i saw, was only running lvl 4s at that time). So why are we getting punished? I've seen many, many courier missions that just use trade goods. I've even replaced goods that were destroyed by low sec gankers and completed the mission. The fact is that its a group of people exploiting the mechanic excessively and forcing CCP to remove it. It happens all the time in EVE. CCP has to remove the mechanic because it's being heavily abused, despite it possibly being used legitimately by others. or they could, ya know, make it UNIQUE ITEMS, like my lvl 4 missions. CANT REPLACE THOSE! Instead they punish EVERYONE snip Inappropriate signature. Please do not reuse it. Email us for more information -Eldo ([email protected])
Farrellus Cameron Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:06:00 - [26] Edited by: Farrellus Cameron on 21/03/2007 10:05:09 Originally by: Dust Angel You undock, warp to mission, gang your alt, voila, he can now warp to you and do the mission. That's exactly what I was talking about. The person who accepted the mission still has to physically go to the mission zone. They can stop at the acceleration gate, or warp immediately out if its an encounter, but they have to go there. Now its the same for courier runners, they have to physically go to the drop off. ----------------------------------------------------
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:21:00 - [27] Originally by: Ralle030583 Originally by: Zrakor This was an exploit fix. exploit fix ... and what exploit was is??? when its fixed you can tell it know... want understand why i now cant do my missions without paying double for, on the person who transport it for me and than the time that i have to went to target location to finish the damm mission Huh? You are accepting missions that require you to move items from one place to another and you are complaining that you actually have to move them? Proof if ever it was needed that some of the whiniest players run missions. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Please don't read this signature.
Dust Angel Harvest System Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:22:00 - [28] Originally by: Andrue Originally by: Ralle030583 Originally by: Zrakor This was an exploit fix. exploit fix ... and what exploit was is??? when its fixed you can tell it know... want understand why i now cant do my missions without paying double for, on the person who transport it for me and than the time that i have to went to target location to finish the damm mission Huh? You are accepting missions that require you to move items from one place to another and you are complaining that you actually have to move them? Proof if ever it was needed that some of the whiniest players run missions. No, you have to phyiscly be present to turn the mission in. Thats just dumb. the goods are there, in place. snip Inappropriate signature. Please do not reuse it. Email us for more information -Eldo ([email protected])
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:23:00 - [29] Originally by: Farrellus Cameron Originally by: Venkul Mul Look it in RL: the person accepting the transport job isn't always the one delivering the item. What the one wanting the item is interested in is the delivery, not who drive the truk. It can be different for some item (and that can be used for the soryline missions and some other) but if all I am interested is a delivery of 10 m3 of gasoline, if the tanker is piloted by Joe or Buck for me it is totally indifferent. So if the item is in the hangar of the right pilot and the pilot contact the corp for delivery, it is a bit strange that the can't deliver it. DUDE, IT'S A VIDEO GAME! Do you really need a list of the dozens and dozens of things that are put in EVE that would be completely ridiculous in RL but are in it because of mechanics and playability issues? Like FTL travel -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Please don't read this signature.
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:26:00 - [30] Originally by: Zrakor The exploit was, if you hoard up the commodities needed for the missions in every station in the vicinity, you can instantly complete the courier missions for your agent. There were people doing this en masse. You can still ask other people to transport the goods for you to the station, and then go there in a shuttle yourself in no time to take care of the transaction. What exactly is wrong with this? There is a lot of logistsics required in having all the goods in all possible places and it requires to invest a considerable sum into the goods. How is it an exploit when the agent wants some stuff at a certain location and you already have some there? I call that good planning!!

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