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Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2007.03.22 10:14:00 - [1] CCP, have you ever thought of having some sort of veteran rewards for active pilots? I saw this thing on EQ2 where veteran players get a special title or equal after a certain amount of time with having an active account. I thought that was a rather smart way of rewarding players and it doesn't have any significant impact on the game (compared to if you where given some special item). Or maybe this would be something to add when you roll out that "medals and stuff" thing found on the drawingboard? Help me help you .

Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.03.22 10:15:00 - [2] I think that would be kind of cool although being a multi-billionare is cool as well -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Please don't read this signature.
The Slayer Caldari The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.03.22 10:17:00 - [3] I always thought some sort of accumulative total would be cool for mission runners (note : not a mission runner), with a title or something when you hit a high level. But I think making it based on play time would probably be better.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.22 10:29:00 - [4] There's already a reward for playing Eve for a long time - lots of skill points! Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.22 10:31:00 - [5] Isn't a Titan wreck enough? Being a man I still can achieve multiple sarcasms.
Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.03.22 10:33:00 - [6] Originally by: Rodj Blake There's already a reward for playing Eve for a long time - lots of skill points! Beat me too it.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.03.22 10:37:00 - [7] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 22/03/2007 10:34:27 As long the reward is insignificant in terms of gameplay I can accept this. Else, the reward for veterans lies in the number of SP. Elder player = more skillpoints. Everything else will imbalance the game. So im afraid there wont be named "Veldspar" t2 modular mining turrets for you! Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Juneau Vespertine Minmatar CompleXion Industries	Posted - 2007.03.22 10:45:00 - [8] It'd have to be something that doesn't give players any real powers, or if they do, then very limited and not worth much. Veteran rewards in original EverQuest got to the point where they could make or break guild ("corp", whatever) progression, and in some cases had a huge impact on what a group of people were able to do. Had Sony not nerfed them this month, guilds would have reached a point where a certain veteran reward would be required for a person's application to be accepted. That nerf caused a massive uproar that's still going on right now. Having spent a long time as a top-end logistics leader in that game, I saw their impact first-hand. Sony gave everyone a series of abilities that could be used every so often, with unique effects. One of them, the final reward, was extremely overpowered, but so few people had it that the devs didn't notice until much, much later, and they had to nerf it this month accordingly. Countless people warned the developers about it, but their horrible track record for listening to players meant that they didn't notice until two expansions after it started allowing guilds to beat new content pretty much effortlessly. The same problem also occurred with another of the veteran rewards with regards to small-group content, but since it's one of the easier vet rewards to get, Sony ignored trying to balance it under the assumption that everyone has it. That's a terrible way to "balance" content, and will probably need a nerf of its own at some point too, which will cause another uproar since it's been a crutch for years now. There's a lot of good things CCP could do with veteran rewards, if they're implemented carefully and with the long-term in mind. If they aren't, there's a lot of bad things that could come with them.
Xaroth Brook Minmatar Doomcraft	Posted - 2007.03.22 10:46:00 - [9] A 10 day old account can have a character 4 years old... so I'd suggest basing it on account age, rather than character age. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Xaroth Brook [Datacore - Quantum Physics] x 40
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.22 10:58:00 - [10] So flying the only dread in Empire space is not enough for you? I got it "Sir Chribba of Veld" That kinda has a ring to it, kinda catchy..... Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
RaTTuS BIG Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.22 11:05:00 - [11] after X number of SP you should get a free Character morph into a Jove -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal \| RaTTuS @ Skills Showroom
Grunanca	Posted - 2007.03.22 11:08:00 - [12] Originally by: Juneau Vespertine It'd have to be something that doesn't give players any real powers, or if they do, then very limited and not worth much. Veteran rewards in original EverQuest got to the point where they could make or break guild ("corp", whatever) progression, and in some cases had a huge impact on what a group of people were able to do. Had Sony not nerfed them this month, guilds would have reached a point where a certain veteran reward would be required for a person's application to be accepted. That nerf caused a massive uproar that's still going on right now. Having spent a long time as a top-end logistics leader in that game, I saw their impact first-hand. Sony gave everyone a series of abilities that could be used every so often, with unique effects. One of them, the final reward, was extremely overpowered, but so few people had it that the devs didn't notice until much, much later, and they had to nerf it this month accordingly. Countless people warned the developers about it, but their horrible track record for listening to players meant that they didn't notice until two expansions after it started allowing guilds to beat new content pretty much effortlessly. The same problem also occurred with another of the veteran rewards with regards to small-group content, but since it's one of the easier vet rewards to get, Sony ignored trying to balance it under the assumption that everyone has it. That's a terrible way to "balance" content, and will probably need a nerf of its own at some point too, which will cause another uproar since it's been a crutch for years now. There's a lot of good things CCP could do with veteran rewards, if they're implemented carefully and with the long-term in mind. If they aren't, there's a lot of bad things that could come with them. QFE Vet rewards are a bad bad idea!! After playing Star Wars Galaxies for 2 years, the meaning of failure has become very very clear to me... Either the rewards have no effect (causes hardcore players to cry) else they got too much effect (causes new players to cry), EVE is such a great game for rewarding players for what they do, nothing comes free, thats how it should be!
Kehmor Caldari The Movement	Posted - 2007.03.22 11:10:00 - [13] Originally by: RaTTuS after X number of SP you should get a free Character morph into a Jove prehaps some sort of system whereby you have 5 skills you need to train to level 5 to unlock your jove char, but you dont know what they are!

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.03.22 11:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker So im afraid there wont be named "Veldspar" t2 modular mining turrets for you! Are you proud of yourself? You just made Chribba cry! As far as I know we don't have any plans for veteran rewards at the moment though. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Alexis Machine Minmatar Ceraphite Technologies	Posted - 2007.03.22 11:21:00 - [15] Originally by: CCP Wrangler As far as I know we don't have any plans for veteran rewards at the moment though. Well you should!
meowmixmeow Black Eclipse Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.22 11:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Alexis Machine Originally by: CCP Wrangler As far as I know we don't have any plans for veteran rewards at the moment though. Well you should! ALEXIS FOR GM! --- ___ BANG! ___
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.22 11:46:00 - [17] How about a discount on subscription for characters who have been playing for 5 years straight? When the EVE 5th b-day rolls around that is. F4T4L - Recruitment
Alexis Machine Minmatar Ceraphite Technologies	Posted - 2007.03.22 12:04:00 - [18] Originally by: meowmixmeow ALEXIS FOR GM! ha! I'd shoot myself.
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.03.22 12:26:00 - [19] When we are talking about veteran player rewards... I'm not THAT old yet...but points to her 10.00 Corp and faction standings I'd like a perk for that! I have hopes this will be considered when ranks and stuff for factional warfare are being entered...but then again... I'm still waiting for my NPC navy Battleship honour excort when flying through gallente low sec
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.03.22 12:28:00 - [20] give them different coloured ships so we know who got the skillpoints in the gang.
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Direct Intent	Posted - 2007.03.22 12:29:00 - [21] Originally by: Roshan longshot So flying the only dread in Empire space is not enough for you? I got it "Sir Chribba of Veld" That kinda has a ring to it, kinda catchy..... Uhm ... there's quite a bit more than one capship in Empire highsec space. Chribba's Veldnaught just happens to be the most well-known, as it is the only one I know of that can't reach any other cynoable system, and he mines with it ;)
Harisdrop Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.22 12:30:00 - [22] Its called your employment history. Where everyone can see the life you led. I say we dont need immature tittles or self titles. Those are only earned for the actions you take ingame. Look at sec level and faction standings. These are the rewards we must strive for.
Joebarchuck	Posted - 2007.03.22 12:34:00 - [23] Yes, that is a great idea: I say for accounts older than 2 years, free Titans Tech II fitted with Tech V modules....
Dee Vour	Posted - 2007.03.22 12:52:00 - [24] i'm only a 6 months old player and i really don't understand the need for public gratification, though i understand the need for recognition by peers. i totally disagree with the idea of awarding signs of achievements because imho EVE is a world which, just like real life, doesn't pat you on the back when you do good, nor does it produces medals out of thin air for the braves and vertuous. to get to where you guys are takes a lot of hard work! how many fully fitted boats have you lost? how many set backs? and yet,there you are now years older and still kicking. isn't that testimony enough for how special you are? aren't excellent standings good enough? compared with 2 year old players i'm like an insect but the same applies to younger players compared to me. my SP and gear speaks volumes enough as to what i am capable of and for where i stand in the food chain.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.03.22 12:53:00 - [25] Originally by: RaTTuS after X number of SP you should get a free Character morph into a Jove Screw skillpoints, that'd only mean caldari goes jove. My 28 charisma ain't helping me there, my 306 days playing EVE on the other hand. King Nooblar le Jove, has a nice ring to it. Also Known As
OverKill Caldari Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:00:00 - [26] - Looks at his 50m skillpoints - CHECK - Look at his characters Birth Date - CHECK Bring the bling!!! - Building With Tomorrow's Technology, Today! Hadean Drive Yards
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes The OSS	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:09:00 - [27] Stay away from vet awards imo, it tends to divide the community. ----------------------------------------------- Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. My Top 10 List
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:10:00 - [28] Originally by: DrAtomic Stay away from vet awards imo, it tends to divide the community. The community is already divided, the cheaters and the rest of us. Also Known As
Haloe Yakuza Corp	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:10:00 - [29] Originally by: OverKill - Looks at his 50m skillpoints - CHECK - Look at his characters Birth Date - CHECK Bring the bling!!! - Oooh that guy with the glowing gold title above his ship is primary... again. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Motorcycle Emptiness	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Dee Vour i'm only a 6 months old player and i really don't understand the need for public gratification, though i understand the need for recognition by peers. Pubic gratification is a basic human need, from the dawn of...oh, you said public. must not press enter.
Tom Shandy	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:13:00 - [31] Veterans already have a reward. New players can never catch you up. Not too keen how people that have been here the longest would get something else to show off.
Pesadel0 Vagabundos THE H0RDE	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:27:00 - [32] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: DrAtomic Stay away from vet awards imo, it tends to divide the community. The community is already divided, the cheaters and the rest of us. That made my day ,i laughted hard in work. I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:46:00 - [33] Sorry to be a bit disruptive, but the veteran got already the best stats for their ship due to their superiors skills, they have possibly a good wallet, and only veteran can hope one day to fly the best ships in game. So if that ability is not a reward for your fidelity, I wonder what will be ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:49:00 - [34] Your current medals are: One years long service Two years long service Three years long service Bronze Swimming Certificate Silver Swimming Certificate Further awards may have been given had you not scribbled "I R VELD" on the application papers.
Aleria Angelis Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:55:00 - [35] People get a letter from the Queen once they reach 100 years of age so this would make sense in an EVE perspective too. Maybe vets could be given a new faction ship which refines down to nothing so it wouldnt effect the economy, abit like a T-Shirt saying "I made it!". GEPT opens its doors!
OverKill Caldari Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.03.22 13:58:00 - [36] A letter from the Queen? Why is Hellgremlin writting me a letter about my age?!?!?! - Building With Tomorrow's Technology, Today! Hadean Drive Yards
Aarin Wrath	Posted - 2007.03.22 15:46:00 - [37] I kinda like the Morph into Jove idea (or maybe just go to char screen with new options in order to make the char look older). Just the avatar changes ... no stat, or skills or anything. I would be purely cosmetic and make no difference in game except bragging rights. Which is all a vet reward should be.
Mangus Thermopyle Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.22 16:01:00 - [38] Im a n00b, I want a n00bish reward

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.03.22 16:13:00 - [39] Originally by: Aleria Angelis People get a letter from the Queen once they reach 100 years of age so this would make sense in an EVE perspective too. Maybe vets could be given a new faction ship which refines down to nothing so it wouldnt effect the economy, abit like a T-Shirt saying "I made it!". Well, when you've had an active account for 100 years I'm sure we can send you a letter. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.03.22 16:15:00 - [40] They could change our corp title to "Very Old Geezer" Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.03.22 16:33:00 - [41] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Aleria Angelis People get a letter from the Queen once they reach 100 years of age so this would make sense in an EVE perspective too. Maybe vets could be given a new faction ship which refines down to nothing so it wouldnt effect the economy, abit like a T-Shirt saying "I made it!". Well, when you've had an active account for 100 years I'm sure we can send you a letter. I will hold you to your words in 2107! Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Jaymine	Posted - 2007.03.22 16:51:00 - [42] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Aleria Angelis People get a letter from the Queen once they reach 100 years of age so this would make sense in an EVE perspective too. Maybe vets could be given a new faction ship which refines down to nothing so it wouldnt effect the economy, abit like a T-Shirt saying "I made it!". Well, when you've had an active account for 100 years I'm sure we can send you a letter. Please send me one as well and be sure to wish me a happy 127th birthday, Thanks!
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.22 17:06:00 - [43] Consider Ultima Online, which is the only other MMOG I have experience of that gave out Veteran Rewards. Problem is, after 4-5 years they ran out of fun stuff to give users. It'd kinda be nice to get something for our troubles. Even if it were nearly worthless. Could we get one of these named modules, found in COSMOS? Of course, CCP did give out Jovian Body Parts, and Snowballs. But nothing regular, and nothing unique (all players at the time got one). As far as titles go, I'd imagine they will come as part of factional warfare. Elite-style titles for successfully completing Caldari Navy missions for example. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Jenson Cole Red Dagger Fleet	Posted - 2007.03.22 17:38:00 - [44] Being an old SWG Player I remember those veteran rewards SOE gave its players. It'd be nice to see CCP offer something latter on in the future. For example we're going to have our own offices to be able to walk in. We need some decorations right? Either way make any rewards unique and untradeable to other players. As much as I'd like a unique and uncommon ship it'd unbalance gameplay if a server got a wave of these unique ships. So either way I'd recommend if CCP even consider this lets get the walking in station in game first and then look at this subject.
Karash Amerius Amarr O.E.C	Posted - 2007.03.22 17:50:00 - [45] I would be happy if they just fixed my employment history. All of 2003 got erased Merc Blog
jason hill Caldari Nightmare Holdings Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.22 18:20:00 - [46] Originally by: OverKill - Looks at his 50m skillpoints - CHECK - Look at his characters Birth Date - CHECK Bring the bling!!! - Not quite at 50 million ...but count me in destroy everything you touch
Darina Rea Renua Foundation	Posted - 2007.03.22 19:14:00 - [47] Veteran rewards... no. Just nooooooooo...... The EQ2 veteran reward system is in all SOE MMO games and damn is it ever lame. Getting a reward for having an impact inside the game, or as famous personality is nice enough I gues... But as soon as it's given to one person all other 1000000000000 people also want it. (Yes, that's way more people then there actually are, but some will want it twice, or three times, or more). Just no. _________ The cluster is full of mysteries, all that is needed is the will to find and unravel them. Time is on our side.
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.22 19:16:00 - [48] I would kill for a vet reward that let us change the colour of the skin... come on baby!! daddy needs a Gold plated megathorn... -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.22 19:18:00 - [49] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Else, the reward for veterans lies in the number of SP. Elder player = more skillpoints. Say that when you have 60M SP and most of it is wasted on skills you haven't used in years because CCP changed something. Not much of a 'reward'. Originally by: Dee Vour compared with 2 year old players i'm like an insect but the same applies to younger players compared to me. I am approaching 60M but if someone like you caught me in an interceptor, most of those points won't help me. I could die just as easily as you. That is one of the very principles on which Eve was designed. Originally by: Harisdrop Its called your employment history. Where everyone can see the life you led. If you date far enough back, some employment histories are incomplete. Look at mine. You won't see the newbie corp on it because of an old bug that affected it at one point. Originally by: Harisdrop Look at sec level and faction standings. These are the rewards we must strive for. I will very, very soon hit the 60M milestone and my standings aren't as high as some 1 year old players. It means nothing. And sec status easily changes.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.03.22 19:22:00 - [50] Originally by: Chribba CCP, have you ever thought of having some sort of veteran rewards for active pilots? I saw this thing on EQ2 where veteran players get a special title or equal after a certain amount of time with having an active account. I thought that was a rather smart way of rewarding players and it doesn't have any significant impact on the game (compared to if you where given some special item). Or maybe this would be something to add when you roll out that "medals and stuff" thing found on the drawingboard? You want a reward for having no life because you play EVE 23/7? How about no. And I hope you get hit by a bus for comparing EVE to EQ2, thats just not funny man, not funny at all.
Cedori Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2007.03.22 19:38:00 - [51] On one level, veterans rewards could be fun, and could give newer players a way to "catch up". E.g. The first veterans reward in the original EQ was double xp. Doesn't work in eve, but why not double skillpoints for 30minutes every 24 hours? Or even 50% more, something like that. 4th or 5th year, make paintjobs available They can be silly things, just something to have some fun with. On the other hand, they can get crazy overpowered if not careful, which is what happened to EQ. But in general, CCP/EVE seem to be more concerned with balance then SOE ever were. /shrug.
icechip Caldari Crazy 88's O X I D E	Posted - 2007.03.22 19:45:00 - [52] I tried out Vangaurd even tho i think is sucked but they had Double XP weekend, Well what about double SP weekend? 4 days of training in 2 ^_^ " You know why my name is Icechip , if you stab someone with a piece of ice it leaves no evidence!" www.crazy88scorp.info [b]PM me if you would like your Corp to have there own Forums[b]
Vadoc Trax Caldari RABBLE-RABBLE	Posted - 2007.03.22 20:05:00 - [53] City of Heroes has Vet rewards as well based on how long your account has been open. Titles, badges, free respecs, free tailor alterations, costume pieces, pets (soon), special powers, items for your base, etc. However, none of it affects the actual gameplay, giving you an advantage over another player. -------------------------------------------------- #1. Pillage, THEN burn. #8. Mockery and derision have their place. Usually, it's on the far side of the airlock.
Trevedian Amarr Evolutionary Transhumanist Apperception	Posted - 2007.03.22 20:14:00 - [54] Signed... I wants it! Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
Zirth Caldari The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.22 20:26:00 - [55] Vet award? Having vastly superior knowledge, skill points, time to build up your wallet and ship hangers, contacts, friends, tricks, experience, bookmarks, equipment? I don't see why a medal next to your name indicating you're a vet from 2003 is going to be any different from checking the date you joined your first corp in 2003. While medals don't really do anything, actual bonuses would further increase the gap between players from 2003 and 2007. - 2004 player
Fierce Deity Gallente Hera Star Empire Research	Posted - 2007.03.22 20:34:00 - [56] i wouldn't mind a reward for vets, whatever that implys. in gws we got mini's of the npc's however harmless they are people sell them and make a massive profit. so if possible don't make it too tangeble. maybe having your name in the char id show up in a diferent color or like others said a medal when those come into play. ------FD------
Snake Doctor Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.22 20:59:00 - [57] You have vet awards: Your name and your reputation. If you can manage to command an audience by simply saying STFU often enough, I'd say you're as high up as you can get. Anyone who needs some piece of ** lame ass named item because they play the game and are good at it must not be that great. Chances are, if you're that great, you've got a hangar full of that crap already. Your mom** goes to college...
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.22 22:39:00 - [58] Originally by: Zirth I don't see why a medal next to your name indicating you're a vet from 2003 is going to be any different from checking the date you joined your first corp in 2003. Look at what I stated up above. You can't see my entire corp history unless I somehow managed to join a player corp without being in the newbie corp first.
Timotheus Siberius Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.22 22:51:00 - [59] Originally by: Rodj Blake There's already a reward for playing Eve for a long time - lots of skill points! well said :-) * See you in space!
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.22 23:05:00 - [60] Veteran rewards sre s good idea, games like COH/V have them, and they were wildly popular, if relatively insignificant. Some thing cool, like the ability to color your ship, even if it was jsut client side. Or a special looking Faction Frig or whatnot. Could be anything, and it could scale in 6 month increments.
Kerosene Caldari Fun Inc Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.23 03:47:00 - [61] Stick an extra field in the db for all our ships and let people over say.. 50m SP's offset the colour of their individual ships. Bit more red... bit less blue... bit more green etc. It's a simple thing which would not affect people at all but give vet's some uniqueness to their ships Well till everyone decides to fly black ships anyway. But I'll be flying bright yellow ships if possible :D __ I really don't need BoB propaganda here any more. Let's embrace yiffy.
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.03.23 05:44:00 - [62] /signed to vet rewards that offer no gameplay (dis)advantage /notsigned for rewards that do like double SP, reward modules, cash, etc. - NPC Vendetta system, Local rehash, Probe decoys
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.23 06:09:00 - [63] Well, Wrangler just flayed the idea with sarcasm, so I guess we know where the DEVS stand on this.

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