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Ncc 1709 Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc. 307	Posted - 2016.10.11 22:44:02 - [1] - Quote So... I wanted to make a spot 20 au away from celestial. Grabbed svipul etc. cap-stable able to maintain 15km/s And started burning i finally started working out just how long this would take... It would be faster to do this with present day technology FFS.... to make a 20 AU ... not LY. AU spot in-game, at maximum maintainable speed by any ship (imp is slightly faster) will take 2360 days. Thats the same distance as Uranus Voyager 2 did it in 3,465 days So technology from 1977 is only 31% slower than ingame ships... WITHOUT a prop Mod!!! So please. Fix It
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 18286	Posted - 2016.10.11 22:48:28 - [2] - Quote To be fair, this is Voyager we are talking about here.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 45135	Posted - 2016.10.11 22:49:08 - [3] - Quote Fix what? 1AU is literally the distance from the Earth to the Sun. If you wanted to do that 20 times, it would take a long time. A different approach is needed, not a fix for the wrong approach. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Arronicus Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc. 1524	Posted - 2016.10.11 22:56:40 - [4] - Quote Eh. I think we're being a bit unreasonable here. The problem isn't that eve spaceships are too slow (VERY poor development on impulse engine speeds, when you consider we're supposed to be like, 500 years in the future or something), but that scales of measurement are patriarchal and oppressive. Why is an AU 150,000,000 km? I'll tell you why. Oppression. Distance isn't a fixed variable. It's not 1 km or 0 km, it's a spectrum. Why 150,000,000,000 Metres? Why not 45,000 Arroniklicks? Why not G£é,=ƒò¡=ƒò¡=ƒò¡,=ƒò¡=ƒò¡=ƒò¡,=ƒò¡=ƒûâ=ƒû¦ baltecograms? CCP, please. Recognize distance as a spectrum.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 45135	Posted - 2016.10.11 23:05:56 - [5] - Quote Arronicus wrote: when you consider we're supposed to be like, 500 years in the future or something 20,000 years in the future (but not necessarily technology wise as society was almost wiped out a few millennia ago when the Evegate closed) Quote: . Why is an AU 150,000,000 km? I'll tell you why. Oppression. Not quite oppression: http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/ask/301-What-is-an-Astronomical-Unit- Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Arronicus Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc. 1524	Posted - 2016.10.11 23:07:22 - [6] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Arronicus wrote: when you consider we're supposed to be like, 500 years in the future or something 20,000 years in the future (but not necessarily technology wise as society was almost wiped out a few millennia ago when the Evegate closed) Quote: . Why is an AU 150,000,000 km? I'll tell you why. Oppression. Not quite oppression: http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/ask/301-What-is-an-Astronomical-Unit- 20,000 years as measured by the patriarchy.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 45135	Posted - 2016.10.11 23:13:29 - [7] - Quote Arronicus wrote: 20,000 years as measured by the patriarchy. Oppression seems to be a theme here. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Arronicus Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc. 1524	Posted - 2016.10.11 23:22:33 - [8] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Arronicus wrote: 20,000 years as measured by the patriarchy. Oppression seems to be a theme here. It's necessary for THEM to maintain their power, by maintaining the status quo. I mean, imagine what would happen to isotope sales if jump drive isotope consumption was measured based on social equality, and not lightyears?
Cade Windstalker 571	Posted - 2016.10.11 23:26:31 - [9] - Quote So, first off OP this belongs in Player Features and Ideas, not General Discussion. Second, you haven't actually outlined why this is a problem. If you want to make a bookmark 20au off a celstial either break out your warp drive (and/or your probe launcher) and start getting clever or just warp between celestials. You haven't actually given an explanation for why you should be able to do this, you've just said "I failed to do math, started a thing, did the math, and discovered I couldn't do the thing. CCP pls fix!" You being bad at math is not a reason for CCP to rebalance every speed in the game just so you can make a 20AU bookmark.
Memphis Baas 2088	Posted - 2016.10.11 23:43:08 - [10] - Quote So clearly, the message that CCP wants to deliver is that they don't want you to be able to make a safespot 20 au away from any celestial. Most of us got it, but clearly you're not satisfied, so I think the best course of action is to wait for a dev response. .... .... .... So clearly, the silence and lack of response from CCP indicates that they don't want you to be able to make a safespot 20 au away from any celestial.

Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 26959	Posted - 2016.10.12 00:03:33 - [11] - Quote Ncc 1709 wrote: to make a 20 AU ... not LY. AU spot in-game, at maximum maintainable speed by any ship (imp is slightly faster) will take 2360 days. Thats the same distance as Uranus Voyager 2 did it in 3,465 days So technology from 1977 is only 31% slower than ingame ships... WITHOUT a prop Mod!!! You neglect to mention that Voyager 2 used the gravity and relative movements of both Jupiter and Saturn to slingshot itself in order to attain the velocity required to hit Uranus in 3495 days; a quick google reveals that it gained 15ish km/s from Jupiter in July 79 and about the same again from Saturn in August 81 (it bled off about 10/km/s between slingshots). The space pope will probably have more accurate figures to hand, as he actually works for part of the organisation behind the operation. In short you're wrong, 1977 tech is considerably more than 31% slower than that of Eve ships. Civilised behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack
Paranoid Loyd 9648	Posted - 2016.10.12 00:09:33 - [12] - Quote Oh, I thought we were talking about Captain Janeway's Voyager. "There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix Fix the Prospect!
Memphis Baas 2089	Posted - 2016.10.12 00:12:49 - [13] - Quote Also, the trip to Uranus would take the same in the present, 2016. Because "the tech" is still rocket engines to get off Earth, then gravity assists from the various planets to get to Uranus. Neither rockets nor the Solar System have changed THAT much, actually, since 1977. So, yeah.
Giaus Felix Hedion University Amarr Empire 254	Posted - 2016.10.12 00:25:30 - [14] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Oh, I thought we were talking about Captain Janeway's Voyager. Given the OP's name I was surprised to find he wasn't talking about V(oya)GER (6) . I came for the spaceships, I stayed for the tears.
Ria Nieyli 46363	Posted - 2016.10.12 01:06:50 - [15] - Quote There are easier ways to find a spot for your engi complex off dscan. Then again, it will probably show up to combat probes like the citadels do, so. "slang" is shortened language for "shortened language"
Avaelica Kuershin Paper Cats 286	Posted - 2016.10.12 02:25:21 - [16] - Quote If you really want a "safe" spot 20AU from any celestial, you'll have to find a suitably large system with planets on highly inclined orbits. Of course, everyone else probably has their "safes" in more-or-less the same place.
Seraph Essael Binary Adaption Ascending Darkness 1215	Posted - 2016.10.12 02:33:56 - [17] - Quote I have a bookmark, from a long time ago, that is about 30ish AU outside the furthest planet. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony 845	Posted - 2016.10.12 02:51:03 - [18] - Quote 15 km per sec? Out of a Svipul? Mine goes around 2.6 km/sec, damn son. ... if this 15 is only marginally faster than today's rocket engines, then it is safe to assume the kilometres used in new Eden are not the same as those we employ on earth-- that'd be the easiest explanation. But 15? Wewlad! Edit: also, someone said uranus. huhuhuggghhhhhh Brokk you're drunk, go home ayyyy!
ISD Buldath isd star 481	Posted - 2016.10.12 03:29:06 - [19] - Quote Quote: 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. I have removed the offending Content, and those quoting it. *~ISD Buldath* Commander Support, Training and Resources Division Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to EVE-Mails regarding forum moderation.
Violet Hurst Fedaya Recon 98	Posted - 2016.10.12 03:45:20 - [20] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: There are easier ways to find a spot for your engi complex off dscan. Then again, it will probably show up to combat probes like the citadels do, so. Haven't read too much about them yet, but won't they show up on the sensor overlay like citadels as well?

Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor 5933	Posted - 2016.10.12 04:02:16 - [21] - Quote You can get to spots 20AU away from anything if you are happy with spots inside the geometry of the system. You can scan for signatures to get bookmarks up to 4AU outside the geometry of the system. That will shave a year or so off your trip. Day 0 Advice for New Players
Hesod Adee Kiwis In Space No Points Necessary 354	Posted - 2016.10.12 04:23:42 - [22] - Quote What about CCP letting us use something like the probe UI to let us warp to any specific point in the system that we want to ?
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor 5933	Posted - 2016.10.12 04:45:43 - [23] - Quote Hesod Adee wrote: What about CCP letting us use something like the probe UI to let us warp to any specific point in the system that we want to ? Part of the design of a PVP game is to encourage PVP to happen. Thus the restriction on where you can go, and funnelling ships through stargates and wormholes. Day 0 Advice for New Players
Athanor Ruthoern Militaris Industries Northern Coalition. 29	Posted - 2016.10.12 06:28:39 - [24] - Quote Ncc 1709 wrote: So... I wanted to make a spot 20 au away from celestial. Grabbed svipul etc. cap-stable able to maintain 15km/s And started burning i finally started working out just how long this would take... It would be faster to do this with present day technology FFS.... to make a 20 AU ... not LY. AU spot in-game, at maximum maintainable speed by any ship (imp is slightly faster) will take 2360 days. Thats the same distance as Uranus Voyager 2 did it in 3,465 days So technology from 1977 is only 31% slower than ingame ships... WITHOUT a prop Mod!!! So please. Fix It I would realy like to see this in action. Anyways we could meet up see it ?
Ncc 1709 Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc. 308	Posted - 2016.10.12 08:11:44 - [25] - Quote I was rather drunk when i posted this so i worded it rather badly... im not referring to present day tech. I'm referring to Eve aged tech.
Trevor Dalech Absolute Obedience FREE GATES COALITION 250	Posted - 2016.10.12 08:43:14 - [26] - Quote Wait for an incursion to hit your system, incursion sites often are really far out of the ecliptic plane. You can then bookmark those.
Ria Nieyli 46363	Posted - 2016.10.12 09:37:29 - [27] - Quote Violet Hurst wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: There are easier ways to find a spot for your engi complex off dscan. Then again, it will probably show up to combat probes like the citadels do, so. Haven't read too much about them yet, but won't they show up on the sensor overlay like citadels as well? Thought it was only if you freeport them, then again I went away for several months just as citadels were getting released so I might be wrong. "slang" is shortened language for "shortened language"
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 570	Posted - 2016.10.12 09:56:59 - [28] - Quote Looks like OP wants the nano age and propmod stacking back.. Yeahhhhhh, no. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Ncc 1709 Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc. 308	Posted - 2016.10.12 10:19:12 - [29] - Quote theres never been an incursion in my system... ever...
lollerwaffle Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture 323	Posted - 2016.10.12 13:19:37 - [30] - Quote Creating true deep safes is no longer possible. CCP moved all my 100AU-200AU bookmarks to within 20AU of the nearest celestial. Pre 2009/2010, they used to work like this: http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1003/Poseidon-Manual.pdf Then CCP nerfed the deep space BMs to require them to have to be no further than 20AU from the nearest celestial. IIRC this was part of the change to the scanning mechanics.

Lady Ayeipsia Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1211	Posted - 2016.10.12 13:28:31 - [31] - Quote lollerwaffle wrote: Creating true deep safes is no longer possible. CCP moved all my 100AU-200AU bookmarks to within 20AU of the nearest celestial. Pre 2009/2010, they used to work like this: http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1003/Poseidon-Manual.pdf Then CCP nerfed the deep space BMs to require them to have to be no further than 20AU from the nearest celestial. IIRC this was part of the change to the scanning mechanics. But in theory, the OP could do this to reach 20AU from the outer most planet/celest.
Ncc 1709 Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc. 308	Posted - 2016.10.12 13:48:57 - [32] - Quote ive tried pretty much all old methods of deep-safes and none work. not even the fighters one :( i used to have one in m-oee that was 630au from the taisy gate. was fun popping a cyno there when people were camping the gate, as they would warp before realising the distance and leave the gate clear for 7 mins
lollerwaffle Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture 323	Posted - 2016.10.12 14:08:42 - [33] - Quote Lady Ayeipsia wrote: lollerwaffle wrote: Creating true deep safes is no longer possible. CCP moved all my 100AU-200AU bookmarks to within 20AU of the nearest celestial. Pre 2009/2010, they used to work like this: http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1003/Poseidon-Manual.pdf Then CCP nerfed the deep space BMs to require them to have to be no further than 20AU from the nearest celestial. IIRC this was part of the change to the scanning mechanics. But in theory, the OP could do this to reach 20AU from the outer most planet/celest. Nah. they changed e-warp mechanics too. Just found a write-up on why this no longer works: https://www.themittani.com/features/deep-safes-eve-what-why-and-how
Memphis Baas 2093	Posted - 2016.10.12 16:56:26 - [34] - Quote Ncc 1709 wrote: i used to have one in m-oee that was 630au from the taisy gate. was fun popping a cyno there when people were camping the gate, as they would warp before realising the distance and leave the gate clear for 7 mins And now you know the reason why they don't want you to be able to create a safespot 20 au from the nearest celestial. In fact, we could probably blame YOU for the it.
Acarion Sphinx United Conflict Space Command The Volition Cult 2	Posted - 2016.10.16 07:56:26 - [35] - Quote Ncc 1709 wrote: ive tried pretty much all old methods of deep-safes and none work. not even the fighters one :( i used to have one in m-oee that was 630au from the taisy gate. was fun popping a cyno there when people were camping the gate, as they would warp before realising the distance and leave the gate clear for 7 mins That's ingenious. I wish they wouldn't nerf stuff like that.
Nalia White Tencus 209	Posted - 2016.10.17 16:43:12 - [36] - Quote Ncc 1709 wrote: ive tried pretty much all old methods of deep-safes and none work. not even the fighters one :( i used to have one in m-oee that was 630au from the taisy gate. was fun popping a cyno there when people were camping the gate, as they would warp before realising the distance and leave the gate clear for 7 mins haha you just made my day... well played sir, well played. still have a grin on my face. so sad players are so ingenious that ccp has to nerf them time and time again... it would break the game though if they didn't
Shayla Etherodyne Delta Laroth Industries Voxis Accord 95	Posted - 2016.10.17 19:56:01 - [37] - Quote Ncc 1709 wrote: ive tried pretty much all old methods of deep-safes and none work. not even the fighters one :( i used to have one in m-oee that was 630au from the taisy gate. was fun popping a cyno there when people were camping the gate, as they would warp before realising the distance and leave the gate clear for 7 mins Very good. If someone has ever complained about that he should be kicked a few times.
Warzi zouille Astroya Guard. Circle-Of-Two 17	Posted - 2016.10.18 11:38:39 - [38] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Ncc 1709 wrote: to make a 20 AU ... not LY. AU spot in-game, at maximum maintainable speed by any ship (imp is slightly faster) will take 2360 days. Thats the same distance as Uranus Voyager 2 did it in 3,465 days So technology from 1977 is only 31% slower than ingame ships... WITHOUT a prop Mod!!! You neglect to mention that Voyager 2 used the gravity and relative movements of both Jupiter and Saturn to perform a slingshot manoeuvre (also known as a gravity assist) in order to attain the velocity required to hit Uranus in 3495 days; a quick google reveals that it gained 15 ish km/s from Jupiter in July 79 and about the same again from Saturn in August 81 (it bled off about 10/km/s between slingshots). The space pope will probably have more accurate figures to hand, as he actually works for part of the organisation behind the operation. In short you're wrong, 1977 tech is considerably more than 31% slower than that of Eve ships. also it is stated for gameplay reasons and justified by lore that Warp drive systems acts as an anchor that slows the ship. So OP should not compare just Throwing a XX Million dollar probe across the solar system with moving a crewed T3D across 20 AU that has to maintain a constant propulsion.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 6224	Posted - 2016.10.18 13:13:59 - [39] - Quote You know about dropping bookmarks while in warp, right? So find celestials and warp between them. drop a bookmark on the way. Tada, safe spot which can be further than 4 au from a celestial. And you can combine this with another safe spot, to drop a bookmark which isn't in line with any celestials. Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Maneila Bekas Aliastra Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2016.10.26 13:40:05 - [40] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Oh, I thought we were talking about Captain Janeway's Voyager. I still cant stop laughing :D thanks for this post !!!!! Outnumbered, Outgunned You have the Choice Overheat your MWD and fly directly into the enemy pack with Guns blazing...and then, that silent moment only one Server Tick away... "CYNO UP, CYNO UP - JUMP JUMP JUMP - Primary is ..."* *A BRAVE HERO



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