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Centurin
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.23 04:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Humpalot
Admittedly I have not flown a Domi and am not aware of its fitting issues. I fly Amarr ships though and have a hard time seeing the the Domi's downsides (at least on paper)
You've never flown a Domi, so you decide its overpowered because of its bonus? You should know by now that the last thing you can do is judge a ship on paper. People don't put large guns on a Dominix for a reason. Please don't come here screaming nerf for a ship you've never flown.
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Mimiru
Gallente
BIG Advanced Assault
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.23 04:53:00 -
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you are all incorrect
maller with all dmg mods in low, with multiple damage mods in each slot (bug)
infite non-stacked dmg mods. think about it 
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.03.23 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mimiru
you are all incorrect
maller with all dmg mods in low, with multiple damage mods in each slot (bug)
infite non-stacked dmg mods. think about it
Sweet....missed that one.
Maybe Tux will bring this back in the Amarr buff. Maybe have to buy him a beer...make that many beers...and we can convince him.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.03.23 05:50:00 -
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Edited by: Goumindong on 23/03/2007 05:50:54
Originally by: Centurin
Originally by: Humpalot
Admittedly I have not flown a Domi and am not aware of its fitting issues. I fly Amarr ships though and have a hard time seeing the the Domi's downsides (at least on paper)
You've never flown a Domi, so you decide its overpowered because of its bonus? You should know by now that the last thing you can do is judge a ship on paper. People don't put large guns on a Dominix for a reason. Please don't come here screaming nerf for a ship you've never flown.
You can determine the strength of a ship on paper to a perfect amount so long as your model is deep enough.
The only downside of the Domi is fitting, and it isnt a very big downside.
Bolded part is mega laughs, see "every overpowered setup ever" for disproof, i dont need to have flown an armageddon to know that allowing it to two volley a battleship from 50km is "overpowered"
Originally by: Humpalot
Originally by: Mimiru
you are all incorrect
maller with all dmg mods in low, with multiple damage mods in each slot (bug)
infite non-stacked dmg mods. think about it
Sweet....missed that one.
Maybe Tux will bring this back in the Amarr buff. Maybe have to buy him a beer...make that many beers...and we can convince him.
This will likly require as many beers as heat sinks that allows you to fit on the maller ;)
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Fluffernator
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Posted - 2007.03.23 06:13:00 -
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domi is extremely overpowered imo. Caldari is teh suck. Makes me sad cause I fly caldari. If I had known when I started the game that my race was the worst pvp race, I would have picked another. Oh well, prolly bout time to uninstall eve anyways.
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Tulisin Dragonflame
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Posted - 2007.03.23 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Fluffernator
domi is extremely overpowered imo. Caldari is teh suck. Makes me sad cause I fly caldari. If I had known when I started the game that my race was the worst pvp race, I would have picked another. Oh well, prolly bout time to uninstall eve anyways.
Yeah, because Gallente ship skills are locked off to Caldari, it isn't like you can cross-train to any ship you like in this game.
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Fluffernator
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Posted - 2007.03.23 06:39:00 -
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Edited by: Fluffernator on 23/03/2007 06:41:10
Well, when I already have caldari frig 5, cruiser 5, why should I switch now? Just seems silly eh? Why should I need to cross train any other ship? Guess "balance" Is really just an impossibility. If nos didn't exist in the game, it might have some resemblance to balance, but im skeptical. To date, my frig snipers and cruiser snipers with t2 tanks/guns just die effortlessly to the nos of a vexor. I know its close range weapon systems but in all my experience 90% of eve takes place close range. Range bonuses are almost useless except in large laggy fleet battles. Guess if I want to pvp, I better just fit a rack of nos lol.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.03.23 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Fluffernator
domi is extremely overpowered imo. Caldari is teh suck. Makes me sad cause I fly caldari. If I had known when I started the game that my race was the worst pvp race, I would have picked another. Oh well, prolly bout time to uninstall eve anyways.
Caldari is not "teh suck". They are quite good and capable of filling a number of roles very well.
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Ryysa
North Face Force
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.23 08:07:00 -
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Well, I only play since early 2005, so I missed the dual-mwd era. However, here is what was most overpowered imo.
a) The no-stacking-nerf era.
1. Dual Armageddons with 7x dmg mods + megapulse II, you didn't even have to scramble battleships, they died before they could warp :)
2. Neutron Blaster megathron + covops, with 6dmg mods iirc. Seriously... it boredered to 1.6k dps iirc.
b) The ECM era.
1. ECM Raven + Javelin Torps + WCS... yes i flew this, to kill this you needed EW + 5-6 ships. If you couldn't jam it, it one volleyed all your cruiser sized ships, jammed all your frigs, and warped on stabs from the big ships.
2. ECM Domi.
Tank of apoc + decent damage + jamming ability + a full rack of NOS. Can i say IMBA?
c) The Nano era.
1. Nanophoon :D
2. Nanodomi
Let's see what happens to be the next fotm. I think that domi is still pretty amazing.
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Lt Angus
Caldari
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.23 08:19:00 -
[40]
torp caracal 
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SleepingBuddah
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Posted - 2007.03.23 08:52:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Fluffernator
Oh well, prolly bout time to uninstall eve anyways.
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.03.23 09:03:00 -
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Raven with siege launchers prior to the missile changes was rather potent. It would hit everything for full damage, and could re-load those torpedoes with cruise missiles or FoF cruise missiles to splat high speed targets (especially when they 'accidentally' made missiles predict a targets path).
Dual MWD setups got pretty silly too...
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.23 09:04:00 -
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Gankageddon.Or ofcourse the dual mwd raven bomber from hell
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2007.03.23 09:23:00 -
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"cavalry raven" or
8 heatsink apoc. Both kinda blew anything out of the sky...
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.23 12:38:00 -
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With the exception of the nanophoon its pretty much always been Gallente (after the first missile nerf, Castor?). Stababond was a ***** aswell.
2004/05 Diemos could kill any ship in the game at the time and it only needed one setup. The Thorax was easily a match for most BS aswell...
Now that the nanophoon is only a toy availiable to those with billions I guess we're back to the good ol' Dominix again. It's not the ship thats over powered, its the modules and flexibility of fitting that is. The ECM nerf hit it hard but any drone ship can use the damp drone recall/release (borderline exploit) now instead. In 1v1's this is arguably better than ECM ever was.
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
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Posted - 2007.03.23 12:54:00 -
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Domi isnt overpowered 
Everything else is just underpowered.
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.03.23 13:26:00 -
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Most overpowered things before the nano imo:
The dual-MWD/oversized AB setups were very overpowered.
Oversized missiles, especially combined with EW, was very overpowered. A 7 days old character in a Caracal/blackbird could easily bbq anything smaller than a BS.
Drones always hitting a target no matter speed and range, if the target had been inside the drone's range once, was quite bad for smaller ships - but at the time of the dual-MWD it was quite a good thing.
The surgical strike "bug" with stacking of damagemods was insanely overpowered (the gankageddon was not, it was "easily" killed by a proper armor tank).
Non-stacking penalty on sensor dampeners... ehhehe.
Non-stacking penalty on invulnerability fields when they were, was it 50% (normal hardeners were 70%)? That one made it quite hard to kill a scorp.
Cap relay fueled shield tanks, well they were quite overpowered for solo/2-man gangs.
Chance based ECM where the modules had way too high chance.
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Dark Flare
Caldari
Corpus PCG
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Posted - 2007.03.23 13:28:00 -
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Domi/Myrm are both overpowered to hell and back.
The Cavalry Raven before the nanonerf sortof still worked, didn't hit for full damage though, naturally. But it did fairly well, a gang of them would probably have still worked.
NOS is clearly overpowered at the moment. In BS fights on the test server it seems to be that the ship with the most NOS will ALWAYS win.
Rokh with 4 nos 4 torps beats BS with 2 nos. Nosdomi beats NosRokh, because a NOSDomi still has offense...
Meh.
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Major Stuart
Maelstrom Crew
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Posted - 2007.03.23 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Imechal Ravpeim
I hear stories of a gankgeddon that could melt other BS in two volleys... oh how I wish I were here in those days.
My friend for 3 volleyed by a gankgeddon while in a super tanked mega he couldnt believe it lol, he logged in a priv locked onto him and he was dead in 3 volleys 
That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter.
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.03.23 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Major Stuart
Originally by: Imechal Ravpeim
I hear stories of a gankgeddon that could melt other BS in two volleys... oh how I wish I were here in those days.
My friend for 3 volleyed by a gankgeddon while in a super tanked mega he couldnt believe it lol, he logged in a priv locked onto him and he was dead in 3 volleys
Then it wasn't super tanked.
Had he had something like 4x 1600 plates and 2x eanm and 1x whatever fitted, he could have laughed while he killed the geddon instead.
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Steppa
Gallente
Incognito Inc
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Posted - 2007.03.23 13:55:00 -
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My pre-Revelations Ishtar.
15 heavy tech 2 drones, full tank, complete rack of nos in the highs...simply the most potent ratter out there. Combined with a set of slave implants, it could hit 850 in a straight line and orbit tight at 500.
The thorax with 8 heavy drones was an incredible ship from back in the days when cruisers ruled space and battleships were something only the rich had.
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Arbenowskee
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.03.23 14:15:00 -
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crows with 10mn ABs and cruise missiles. those were the days.... :D
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Sandra Tseng
Silentia Mortalis
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Posted - 2007.03.23 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Fluffernator
domi is extremely overpowered imo. [Insert any race] is teh suck. Makes me sad cause I fly [Insert any race, even elves] . If I had known when I started the game that my race was the worst pvp race, I would have picked another. Oh well, prolly bout time to uninstall eve anyways.
fixed
and I want your stuff too ;]
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Thomas Torquemada
Minmatar
Universal Peace Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.23 15:14:00 -
[54]
Tier2 BC.
UPC - PVP'ers Good and Bad, How Do You Want Peace?
Through Talk Or In A Casket? We Decide!
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Morrigu Storm
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Posted - 2007.03.23 15:15:00 -
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With 3 powergrid rigs it is now more viable to use the Drone and hybrid bonus to good effect on the Domi.
I'm not bothering till I have Large Hybrid specs so until then I will use the more common Nos-fit but it is now at least possible or seems to be on paper.
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n0thing
Northern Intelligence
Artificial Intelligence.
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Posted - 2007.03.23 15:23:00 -
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Imo, caldari arent bad, I have seen some guy in Cerberus or in Raven doing alot of damage, dunno about his fitting but missles were fired maybe a little bit slower then large guns fire. Just takes more skills and different tactics then turret ships.
The thing about Dominix, the ship is not a problem and could even use a boost to its powergrid since right now it cant use anything but tank-nos-drones, the problem maybe in nosfs that need a counter, like in the other thread was said, if smartbombs will counter nosfs, then the problem will get solved, however Domi itself if wont be able to fit nosf setup will be just useless as it cant fit anything better in highs, rans out of grid usually or even if grid is fine tank isnt powerfull enough.
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kill0rbunny
Chimera Chaos Squadron
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Posted - 2007.03.23 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sandra Tseng
Originally by: Fluffernator
domi is extremely overpowered imo. [Insert any race] is teh suck. Makes me sad cause I fly [Insert any race, even elves] . If I had known when I started the game that my race was the worst pvp race, I would have picked another. Oh well, prolly bout time to uninstall eve anyways.
fixed
and I want your stuff too ;]
Look at jamesw's domination videos if you don't think it is overpowered.
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Xori Ruscuv
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.03.23 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 23/03/2007 17:07:00
Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 23/03/2007 17:06:08
Originally by: Fluffernator
domi is extremely overpowered imo. Caldari is teh suck. Makes me sad cause I fly caldari. If I had known when I started the game that my race was the worst pvp race, I would have picked another. Oh well, prolly bout time to uninstall eve anyways.
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.03.23 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 23/03/2007 17:39:03
Originally by: kill0rbunny
Look at jamesw's domination videos if you don't think it is overpowered.
Learn to play EVE before you say that anything is overpowered.
Originally by: Fluffernator
Imo, people whining that the domi can only fit tank-nos? LOL i dont know if anyone has ever checked the powergrid requirements of nos, but if it can fit nos, it can definatly fit guns LOL!?
lololooollllol on yourself.
Have you ever wondered why domis typicly run around with 2 large and 4 medium nosferatus fitted? Or in some cases even 1 large and 5 medium?
Wanna fit more? Say goodbye to your heavy cap injector, your MWD and your 2x rep tank.
That's how it is. The only large guns that you really can fit are dual 250 rails, which truthfully ****.
Ofc, nowadays we have powergrid rigs that change this. But you need to understand that fitting a powergrid rig equals not fitting a rep ammount rig (or something else useful). Not really any different from removing a hardener and fitting an rcu (yes I know the effect is less, just example).
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.23 17:38:00 -
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The problem with the Domi was/is its ability to do everything at once. It can also maintain its damage while under the effects of ewar.
Damage, tank, nos, drones, ewar, no other ship can do this as far as I know.
At least it generally can't bug out if its losing like the phoon could.
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