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Fubarski
Caldari
Centauri Project
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Posted - 2007.03.23 17:46:00 -
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Wow, TBC got old pretty quick apparently for some of you.
Flavor of the month nerf rants is something I expect to read in General Forums on another site.
Never really figured the community would get that bad here.
Disappointing day.
Fubar
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.23 17:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Fluffernator
Imo, people whining that the domi can only fit tank-nos? LOL i dont know if anyone has ever checked the powergrid requirements of nos, but if it can fit nos, it can definatly fit guns LOL! Sure, it may not fit the biggest guns of its class, but why does it need to with a damage mod? Way overpowerd imo, maybe if caldari ships were not the slowest in the game they might have a chancem but how is a slow ship gonna utilize a range bonus?
Topend guns have above 50% more grid needs then nos,and like 500% to medium which domis use too
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Yes it is great being amarr.
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Fluffernator
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Posted - 2007.03.23 17:56:00 -
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"That's how it is. The only large guns that you really can fit are dual 250 rails, which truthfully ****." Point me to a battleship in this game that does have the grid to fit a full on tank, mwd and decent guns? Thats not just a domi specific problem dude. Domi does however get the mwd, full tank, and full damage out of its drones. Trust me, the domi fitting requirements aren't as bad as people make them out to be. Every battleship has to make choices/sacrifices when it comes to fitting.
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n0thing
Northern Intelligence
Artificial Intelligence.
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Posted - 2007.03.23 18:27:00 -
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Exactly, you can fit either lower-end guns + tank or high-end guns + barely no tank. Problem is that Domi wont fit high-end without having to sacrifice everything for it, or fit lower-end guns and still wont be able to fit full tank and get at least half-good damage.
Once again, problem as i see it, in nosf not in a ship, no need to fix a cause, fix a reason, moreover, how you think domi can be changed? slots removal? Then it will mean overall Tier 1 overhaul, so the only viable option is to change nosfs and bring in a good counter for them.
Also, Tier 2 BCs are the ones that are very close to being almost-like Tier 1 BS imo, BC is still a one step lower class, however Tier 2 BCs in some cases have abilities same as Tier 1 BS wich is completly different and higher class. Thats what need to be at least slighlty looked into imo.
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Fluffernator
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Posted - 2007.03.23 18:29:00 -
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Yeah, I agree fixing nos is the solution. This game is just ****** up lols, time to find a real mmorp
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Vadimik
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Posted - 2007.03.23 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: Vadimik on 23/03/2007 19:16:54
lol
You know, this whine about dominix really sounds somewhat like "hey, ak-47 is overpower. It's cheap, it's reliable, and it needs no special ammo. All national armies should ban it, it's obviously broken"
I mean, dominix has been aroud since the time of gallente-caldari war. That's dozens of years. And it has not been modifyed ever since, but it's still overpowered ? I mean, WOW.  Gallente shipwrights really win this thread.
Moreover, what is it about ? Dominix is too good at drones ? (since I have hard time naming something else it's really good at)
Well, let's see... Dominix is a droneboat... of a race that specialize in drones... Jee.. No way it's good at droning, no way... It's like caldari ship good at missles, or amarr one with good armor...
Or is it the fact that dominix can still do something else after launching the said drones ? Well, believe it or not, but, say, a raven is able to do something else after a volley as well. Namely, launch it's own drones... Or use an E-war. Or launch EW drones.
Yes, Dominix is pretty multifunctional. But the only thing it's really good at is droning. It's about average (or worse) at anything else. And since it's a BS (and those are pretty versatile by their very nature) I see no problem with that.
P.S. Nos's are another matter. But it has nothing to do with dominix as such.
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DeMundus
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2007.03.23 19:42:00 -
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I remeber how I once slay two Tempests in low sec. with my first Crow interceptor, it could then fit cruise missils... Or interceptors with 10mn AB. It was in the days with the Cavalary Ravens... ahh the good old days. Then the blobs came
Abandon all hope But take care of teh cake!11 - Immy |
Fluffernator
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Posted - 2007.03.23 20:08:00 -
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Look, the game doesnt resemble 'technology' at all. Sure the domi is 'years' old but in a digital game that doesnt stop it from being overpowered lols. so yes 'gallante shipwrights' being the devs really did win this one considering domi outclasses all other tier1 bs hand down.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.23 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Fluffernator
Look, the game doesnt resemble 'technology' at all. Sure the domi is 'years' old but in a digital game that doesnt stop it from being overpowered lols. so yes 'gallante shipwrights' being the devs really did win this one considering domi outclasses all other tier1 bs hand down.
It depends,ive seen geddons beat domis,ive seen phoons beat domis both nano and not,ive seen scorpians keep domis jammed perma,its how you use a ship that could make it"overpowered"or not....The way to use the domi has just been made public.
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Yes it is great being amarr.
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Vadimik
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Posted - 2007.03.23 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Fluffernator
Look, the game doesnt resemble 'technology' at all. Sure the domi is 'years' old but in a digital game that doesnt stop it from being overpowered lols. so yes 'gallante shipwrights' being the devs really did win this one considering domi outclasses all other tier1 bs hand down.
Well, you see, while Eve is a game, it's also MMORPG, and that RPG part does imply that roleplaying, storyline and stuff is of as much importance as is "PvP balance" or "reliable software performance".
Sure, one can look at any issue from meta-game ( ) point of viev. However, stolyline is always a good thing to consider as well, unless we want to end up playing FPS in space.
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cytomatrix
Caldari
Toys R Us
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Posted - 2007.03.23 21:36:00 -
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EvE-Online is Many Men Online Role Playing Gangsters(MMORPG). Forget about Storylines and just gank everyone.
Originally by: Ulecese
[ 2007.02.24 17:52:55 ] xxxxxxx > lol you scammed me, this is a bpc
[ 2007.02.24 17:53:04 ] Ulecese > well thats what you get for trying to con me with the sales tax sc |
Rudy Metallo
G.H.O.S.T
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Posted - 2007.03.23 23:37:00 -
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Heat sink'd Geddons.
PEWPEWboom.
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king jks
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.03.24 00:15:00 -
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Jav torp/ECM/stab raven
Stabbed vagabond
drone ships + ECM (domi/ishtar/curse/pilgrim)
basically anything with ECM
anything with stabs...
oh and nanoships.
I hear pre stack nerf geddons were amazing too
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Zacheria Malfor
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.24 00:25:00 -
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I find this thread quite amusing seen as almost everyone is screaming the Dominix is overpowered. Yes it is a very tough and versatile little boat, however, people seem to fail to recognise that it is very easy to remove a Dominix's offensive abilities if it is simply relying on drones.
I have been in countless fights where people flying other races ships seem not to bother releasing their drones, hence reducing their offensive or defensive abilities. Also what is to stop you using smart bombs to destory the Dominix's drones? Ok in empire smart bombs arent very practical, and yes if it is a nos-domi they will drain your cap quite quickly but the majority of ships seem to fit a cap injector these days which will help you if you time it correctly.
Also seen as the Amarr and the Gallente are two races which rely on cap for their weapon systems, even if you are piloting a Minmatar or Caldari ship, with the exception of the Caldari ships which rely on Hybrids, your weapon systems will still function.
Do not fear the reaper, for death is the only certainty in life.
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2007.03.24 02:05:00 -
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dual mwd thorax
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HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.03.24 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Zacheria Malfor
I find this thread quite amusing seen as almost everyone is screaming the Dominix is overpowered. Yes it is a very tough and versatile little boat, however, people seem to fail to recognise that it is very easy to remove a Dominix's offensive abilities if it is simply relying on drones.
I have been in countless fights where people flying other races ships seem not to bother releasing their drones, hence reducing their offensive or defensive abilities. Also what is to stop you using smart bombs to destory the Dominix's drones? Ok in empire smart bombs arent very practical, and yes if it is a nos-domi they will drain your cap quite quickly but the majority of ships seem to fit a cap injector these days which will help you if you time it correctly.
Also seen as the Amarr and the Gallente are two races which rely on cap for their weapon systems, even if you are piloting a Minmatar or Caldari ship, with the exception of the Caldari ships which rely on Hybrids, your weapon systems will still function.
alot of merit in that post. but just to play the devils advocate....
your right, smartbombs right now aren't really practical to waste a high slot on. and its not like t2 heavies disappear after a couple rounds. also, they can always scoop em up before they die and deploy newer ones (all the while your being nossed to crap)
shoot em down? yeah, you could do that, but god is it a pain in the butt to target em all, by the time you have one or two down, your fate is already sealed.
i dont think the domi is rediculously overpowered. i think nos definitely needs to be looked at as an underlying issue to overall balance. however there isn't alot of merit to the arument "domi isn't overpowered because you CAN kill his drones". you can do alot in this game, but the practicality and efficiency of doing it in combat, especially solo or with a smaller gang is a whole other story.
again, i dont think its REDICULOUSLY overpowered. but it does have some liberties no other bs has with due to its slot layout and drones bay. if it was backed off a bit, more on the level with the typhoon i think it would be a bit more sane as a tier 1 battleship....
or we could just fix nos ?
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Ansuru Starlancer
The Phoenix Rising
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.24 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: Humpalot
Edited by: Humpalot on 23/03/2007 01:54:46
Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame
The dominix isn't even close to the only ship with two weapon systems, just one of the ships that effectively pulls it off.
???
Sure there are ships with mixed weapons systems but they are a split setup. You trade off a high slot to fit a gun OR a missile launcher but can't do both.
Of course most ships have some drone bay but the Dominix has a HUGE drone bay compared to other ships.
In addition the Dominix gets effectively three bonuses: 5% Hybrid Damage, 10% Drone hitpoints and 10% drone damage.
So, its drones act like a primary weapon system and not just a little something extra. Then it can wallop with Blasters putting out staggering damage with the two combined. Or toss the blasters since you still have a primary weapon system in your drones and NOS the target to hell and back and run your tank forever since nothing else uses cap all the while nailing your target with ewar stuff.
I am not a big fan of nerfs but c'mon...that has a LOT going for it and I am missing the drawbacks (beyond it being the fugliest battleship in EVE).
BZZZT! Wrong, the Dominix only has two bonuses: 5% large hybrid damage and +1 drone controlled per level. In the old days, that translated to 15 heavy drones flying at once. They replaced +1 drone skill and the +1 drone bonus with a skill and a bonus that made each drone act like three to reduce lag. To do that, both HP and damage had to be affected. ;)
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Amaldor Themodius
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Posted - 2007.06.19 03:37:00 -
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The Domi is not over powered imho.. There are many ways to drop a domi flat..
- EW Cruiser with Damps with take the sting outa a domi in a heart beat.
- Any ship that can fit an mwd with an optimal range over 50 clicks will do the job.
- Any ship fitted with a smart bomb or 2 will have the domi looking for an exit.
A far better ship to point the finger at is the Caldari Drake (or command ships) with its ridicullous shield tank capability or the insane vagabonds that seem to own 0.0 atm.. The Domi is a good ship but like all ships has its draw backs and choices / sacrifces must be made to fit a domi out in any role. Most the posts here appear to be from players who dont think the domi should be able to fight at all.. Every ship has a weakness in EVE be creative and find it !!
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russian alien
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Posted - 2007.06.19 03:40:00 -
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the gankageddon like in 04 was awesome.. i miss dropping another bs in seconds easily. was most horrible thing for awhile.
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Tulor
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.19 06:01:00 -
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Edited by: Tulor on 19/06/2007 06:02:22
Maller. w/ surgical strike bug and as many of the best named heat sinks around. BOOM!
Sadly they fixed this bug before anyone ever hopped into a geddon.
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Santa Anna
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Amaldor Themodius
The Domi is not over powered imho.. There are many ways to drop a domi flat..
- EW Cruiser with Damps with take the sting outa a domi in a heart beat.
- Any ship that can fit an mwd with an optimal range over 50 clicks will do the job.
- Any ship fitted with a smart bomb or 2 will have the domi looking for an exit.
So in addition to any ship you want to use to actually harm the Domi, you need another one outside of the Domi's drone control range capable of permajamming/damping it? Using this to support an argument that a Domi isn't overpowered seems to be self-defeating.
IMO Nos was the big problem with the Domi (to the extent there was one) and it will be very interesting to see what secrets the undead have in store for us.
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:09:00 -
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Quote:
- EW Cruiser with Damps with take the sting outa a domi in a heart beat.
- Any ship that can fit an mwd with an optimal range over 50 clicks will do the job.
- Any ship fitted with a smart bomb or 2 will have the domi looking for an exit.
1. No. The damps will have the same effect on any other ship. In fact, the Domi is one the least vulnerable to Ewar because of its drones.
2. You can do the same against any other close-range-set-up BS. Just hope that the Domi's sentry drones can't hit you.
3. Smartbombs eat your cap and take a long time to kill Ogre IIs. And then just when you've got through its shield, the Domi pilot scoops then and their shields magically heal instantly.
The reason the Domi and the Myrm are overpowered is because of their extreme flexibility. They can gank well, they can tank well, they can do cap warfare well, they're less affected by ECM/damps then many other ships, they can snipe well. And typically they can do several of these well at the same time.
In contrast, the Drake can only do one thing well - tanking. And in itself, that's really not that useful.
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kill0rbunny
Alpha-Hirogen
Phoenix Allianz
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
Edited by: dalman on 23/03/2007 17:39:03
Originally by: kill0rbunny
Look at jamesw's domination videos if you don't think it is overpowered.
Learn to play EVE before you say that anything is overpowered.
I *****pretty much in a domi solo, even though my drone skills do suck.
Maybe you should learn how to play if you don't manage to do it?
I pew therefore I am.
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AntonioBanderas
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:52:00 -
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i hate dominix
i hate gallente.
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Steyr Daghan
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Posted - 2007.06.19 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: n0thing
Imo, caldari arent bad, I have seen some guy in Cerberus or in Raven doing alot of damage...
You're right. Caldari ships aren't that "bad" at pvp. All things equal they sometimes manage to come in second place.
Unfortunately second place means they lose. 
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Caios
Caldari
Unified Refining Federation
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:32:00 -
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tbh most overpowered is the shuttle. they've got ridiculous tanks.
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Meepie
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nadraas
My kitty hurts
>.<
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Alt Spy
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:01:00 -
[88]
Dual 100MN afterburner Maller was nasty.
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Bein Glorious
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:12:00 -
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Dray
Caldari
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Dray on 19/06/2007 13:16:18
8 heavy drone rax was a joy.
Dual mwd ruppie and raven were fun fun fun, and my personal fave was the cruise crow, slashing attacks on big gate gangs and popping support b4 you could say "OMGWTFHAXSPLOITZ"
Of those definately the crow with the ruppie and rax a close 2nd.
I'm filling up here with all the fond memories. 
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