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slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.22 23:15:00 - [1] People moaned about the nanobs but there have been more powerful (strangely) ships in eve before, which were your favourites? Personally i loved the 0 mass mwd cycle jamming torpedo blackbird any other favourites out there?
Imechal Ravpeim International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.22 23:19:00 - [2] I hear stories of a gankgeddon that could melt other BS in two volleys... oh how I wish I were here in those days.
Cpt Abestos Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.22 23:20:00 - [3] 8hvy drone thorax was pretty good
Def Antares	Posted - 2007.03.22 23:21:00 - [4] 2004 scorpion
Blind Man Kemono. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.22 23:22:00 - [5] the raven nerf threads got going pretty good
Isonkon Serikain Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.22 23:23:00 - [6] Originally by: slothe People moaned about the nanobs but there have been more powerful (strangely) ships in eve before, which were your favourites? Personally i loved the 0 mass mwd cycle jamming torpedo blackbird any other favourites out there? Torpedo BB had to be up there... OR the kestrel with 4 cruise launchers... Also the artitempest, before tracking was implemented... Insta pop frigs orbiting you 5km away 4tw... Dual mwd raven, back when torps hit frigs for full damage, was just nasty. Pity the fool
iudex Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.22 23:28:00 - [7] Edited by: iudex on 22/03/2007 23:28:34 I think the Domi was overpowered. No other ship in EVE was able to do that many things at once: The Nosferatu in highslots will suck the enemy dry while providing the Domi enough cap for a phat tank. In medslots it can have ew/tackeling stuff, while having a full tank in lowslots and still doing full damage with drones due phat dronebay + dronebonus. Caldaris would need 2-3 ships to do all that what a domi can do allone. Ye, that was an awsome ship ... but wait ... it still can do all this Someone forgot to nerf it ?? L...i...b...e...r...a...t...e.........C...a...l...d...a...r...i........P...r...i...m...e.!
Nadraas Antipodean inc. Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2007.03.23 00:15:00 - [8] Gallente.
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.03.23 00:26:00 - [9] I remember before the ecm nerf and nano-boost the dominix was very mean, heavy nosferatu, ecm and heavy tank with heavy drones for damage was pretty much a win everytime... It is still scary like hell because a lot of nos is still unbalanced and sensor dampeners aren't bad at all... - I'm a nice guy!! and OMG I love Team Tuxford for the speedbalancing...
Corwain Gallente Zero Team	Posted - 2007.03.23 00:32:00 - [10] Originally by: iudex still doing full damage with drones due phat dronebay + dronebonus. Caldaris would need 2-3 ships to do all that what a domi can do allone. My blasterdomi does 720dps with only 5 named blasters... It only does about 400dps in Nos config. I think your second problem there is you're trying to play Gallente style with Caldari ships. Try to get some range and use the fact that Caldari can do 3-4x as much damage at 50-70km than Gallente ships can dream of doing at that range.

Altrex Stoppel SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.23 01:00:00 - [11] Ownage
Nim9i5	Posted - 2007.03.23 01:14:00 - [12] no clue why ccp nerfed caldari. They are just weak now for pvp. At least damage output was a trade off for missles. But now gallente can get more dps and instataneous
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.23 01:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Altrex Stoppel Ownage That is a Templar, an Ammarr fighter used by carriers. ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
mematar Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.23 01:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Isonkon Serikain Originally by: slothe People moaned about the nanobs but there have been more powerful (strangely) ships in eve before, which were your favourites? Personally i loved the 0 mass mwd cycle jamming torpedo blackbird any other favourites out there? Torpedo BB had to be up there... OR the kestrel with 4 cruise launchers... Also the artitempest, before tracking was implemented... Insta pop frigs orbiting you 5km away 4tw... Dual mwd raven, back when torps hit frigs for full damage, was just nasty. WTS: Kestrel with Cruise Missiles (Still got it in my hangars btw if someone is really interested )
Altrex Stoppel SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.23 01:24:00 - [15] Originally by: Esurnir Originally by: Altrex Stoppel Ownage That is a Templar, an Ammarr fighter used by carriers. I just had to post that pic
Humpalot	Posted - 2007.03.23 01:24:00 - [16] Edited by: Humpalot on 23/03/2007 01:22:45 As others have mentioned: - Cruise Missile Kestrel - Scorpion a few years ago - Amarr ships before stacking nerf (lots of low slots = lots of damage mods = melt other ships fast) Think today it has got to be the Dominix. Essentially two MAIN weapon systems (drones and guns) so it can either wail with that or toss the guns and go NOS and tank and ewar and do good damage all simultaneously.
Tulisin Dragonflame	Posted - 2007.03.23 01:47:00 - [17] The dominix isn't even close to the only ship with two weapon systems, just one of the ships that effectively pulls it off.
Humpalot	Posted - 2007.03.23 01:56:00 - [18] Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame The dominix isn't even close to the only ship with two weapon systems, just one of the ships that effectively pulls it off. ??? Sure there are ships with mixed weapons systems but they are a split setup. You trade off a high slot to fit a gun OR a missile launcher but can't do both. Of course most ships have some drone bat but the Dominix has a HUGE drone bay compared to other ships. In addition the Dominix gets effectively three bonuses: 5% Hybrid Damage, 10% Drone hitpoints and 10% drone damage. So, its drones act like a primary weapon system and not just a little something extra. Then it can wallop with Blasters putting out staggering damage with the two combined. Or toss the blasters since you still have a primary weapon system in your drones and NOS the target to hell and back and run your tank forever since nothing else uses cap all the while nailing your target with ewar stuff. I am not a big fan of nerfs but c'mon...that has a LOT going for it and I am missing the drawbacks.
Admiral Seafort DarkStar 1	Posted - 2007.03.23 02:00:00 - [19] I was just about to tell you that the Domi's drawback was that it looks awful. But then you edited your post. EVE has no overpowered ships, only wonderful secrets to be discovered. And then nerfed. ----- It is well that war is so terrible. We should grow too fond of it.
Steini OFSI Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.03.23 02:15:00 - [20] Soleteur, the titan Serpentis stole from the Gallente Federation.

SN3263827 The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.03.23 02:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Humpalot In addition the Dominix gets effectively three bonuses: 5% Hybrid Damage, 10% Drone hitpoints and 10% drone damage. Show me a domi that uses that 5% hybrid bonus and it'll be a domi with no tank. The domi can only fit large hybrids or more than one or two heavy nos by compromising its tank in a serious way. _____________________________________________
Andargor theWise Collateral Damage Unlimited Insomnia.	Posted - 2007.03.23 03:25:00 - [22] Originally by: Humpalot I am not a big fan of nerfs but c'mon...that has a LOT going for it and I am missing the drawbacks (beyond it being the fugliest battleship in EVE). Fly a Domi a few times, and I'll graciously let you retract that. You will realize that the Domi is a versatile ship, not an overpowered ship. It can't tank and gank. It can do many things, but it is restricted by grid, so choices need to de made. Also, I'll grant you it's overpowered when I am able to shoot the guns and missile launchers off other ships. - Got grief? Revelations MySQL Database
Grez Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.23 03:30:00 - [23] Edited by: Grez on 23/03/2007 03:27:45 T2 Tachyon Apoc... Used to be such a good sniper before the Tach nerf :( As far as overpowered to-date goes... Domi. --- Cache Clearer
IonHammer Minmatar Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.23 03:33:00 - [24] when i started out one of the most feared combo's was a bb and caracal spamming torps/cruise. Then when inty's turned up cruise spamming crows were seriously good. I enjoyed my >1 k dps geddon days as well. Dual mwd raiders in ruprures or ravens were alwasy fun. Lately nano ships seemd to be getting a lot of help form rigs and implants guess thats nerfed a fair bit now. Although i guess we can be glad there are no cap ship ab's or mwd's imagine a 8 kms dread with sb's holy cow. If thats your real life i'm very jealous - Petwraith
Humpalot	Posted - 2007.03.23 03:34:00 - [25] Originally by: SN3263827 Originally by: Humpalot In addition the Dominix gets effectively three bonuses: 5% Hybrid Damage, 10% Drone hitpoints and 10% drone damage. Show me a domi that uses that 5% hybrid bonus and it'll be a domi with no tank. The domi can only fit large hybrids or more than one or two heavy nos by compromising its tank in a serious way. Admittedly I have not flown a Domi and am not aware of its fitting issues. I fly Amarr ships though and have a hard time seeing the the Domi's downsides (at least on paper) - Apocalypse (equivalent Amarr BS): 10% bonus to Large Energy Turret capacitor use and 5% maximum Capacitor Capacity per level. Drone Capacity 75 m3 - Dominix: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level. Drone Capacity 375 m3 So, my battleship (Amarr) burns a bonus just to run its guns for more than a minute or two leaving it with what...another bonus that allows it to shoot for another minute or two? And best I can field is three heavy drones? Dominix seems FAR more flexible in its setups. Can go for gank and deal serious damage with drones that dish out good damage AND blasters (highest damage guns in game). Or it can go NOS, run a tank, kill mine (especially mine being Amarr) dish out damage. Slap on tracking disruptors and/or sensor damps and/or jammers in the mids. Seriously...looking at those two do they seem remotely in the same ballpark? Even if the Domi has issues fitting a full rack of blasters or NOS it has options an Apoc can't come close to. Bottom line: In a duel would you pick an Apoc over a Domi? Ideally the balance should be that it would be a toss up and depending on setup and pilot skill either could win. I may be missing something but I am hard pressed to see how the Domi could ever lose to an Apoc unless the Domi pilot was mentally defective.
Feronia Agrona	Posted - 2007.03.23 03:40:00 - [26] How about the enigma? 7 High and low slots.. 8 med? 600 CPU and 250k Power grid.. oh yeah.. and its a friggy with an awesome red shield ;) And don't be like 'zomg we never got to use that so it doesn't count here..'.. so you didn't get to use it.. /me reminisces of alpha testing days..
JoeT Amarr Nuclear Rental Service	Posted - 2007.03.23 03:43:00 - [27] Originally by: SN3263827 Originally by: Humpalot In addition the Dominix gets effectively three bonuses: 5% Hybrid Damage, 10% Drone hitpoints and 10% drone damage. Show me a domi that uses that 5% hybrid bonus and it'll be a domi with no tank. The domi can only fit large hybrids or more than one or two heavy nos by compromising its tank in a serious way. :) I love shield tanked domis in small gangs.. using 6 Ion Blaster Cannons.
aeti Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.23 03:52:00 - [28] I raise you dual mwd stabbed up cruise missile firing crows
Veneth	Posted - 2007.03.23 04:06:00 - [29] The Caracal with the old missile system was amazing. heavy launchers packed with 5 cruise missiles or 2 torps.. you didn't need any other ship to do most anything
Khadur Minmatar Spontaneous Defenestration	Posted - 2007.03.23 04:45:00 - [30] Dual mwd ravens with torps that did full dmg

Centurin Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.03.23 04:52:00 - [31] Originally by: Humpalot Admittedly I have not flown a Domi and am not aware of its fitting issues. I fly Amarr ships though and have a hard time seeing the the Domi's downsides (at least on paper) You've never flown a Domi, so you decide its overpowered because of its bonus? You should know by now that the last thing you can do is judge a ship on paper. People don't put large guns on a Dominix for a reason. Please don't come here screaming nerf for a ship you've never flown. ----------------------------------------------- "It's great playing Caldari Online, isn't it?" by Xori Ruscuv
Mimiru Gallente BIG Advanced Assault Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.23 04:53:00 - [32] you are all incorrect maller with all dmg mods in low, with multiple damage mods in each slot (bug) infite non-stacked dmg mods. think about it --------- Join my corp! shoot people!
Humpalot	Posted - 2007.03.23 05:25:00 - [33] Originally by: Mimiru you are all incorrect maller with all dmg mods in low, with multiple damage mods in each slot (bug) infite non-stacked dmg mods. think about it Sweet....missed that one. Maybe Tux will bring this back in the Amarr buff. Maybe have to buy him a beer...make that many beers...and we can convince him.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.23 05:50:00 - [34] Edited by: Goumindong on 23/03/2007 05:50:54 Originally by: Centurin Originally by: Humpalot Admittedly I have not flown a Domi and am not aware of its fitting issues. I fly Amarr ships though and have a hard time seeing the the Domi's downsides (at least on paper) You've never flown a Domi, so you decide its overpowered because of its bonus? You should know by now that the last thing you can do is judge a ship on paper. People don't put large guns on a Dominix for a reason. Please don't come here screaming nerf for a ship you've never flown. You can determine the strength of a ship on paper to a perfect amount so long as your model is deep enough. The only downside of the Domi is fitting, and it isnt a very big downside. Bolded part is mega laughs, see "every overpowered setup ever" for disproof, i dont need to have flown an armageddon to know that allowing it to two volley a battleship from 50km is "overpowered" Originally by: Humpalot Originally by: Mimiru you are all incorrect maller with all dmg mods in low, with multiple damage mods in each slot (bug) infite non-stacked dmg mods. think about it Sweet....missed that one. Maybe Tux will bring this back in the Amarr buff. Maybe have to buy him a beer...make that many beers...and we can convince him. This will likly require as many beers as heat sinks that allows you to fit on the maller ;) ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Fluffernator	Posted - 2007.03.23 06:13:00 - [35] domi is extremely overpowered imo. Caldari is teh suck. Makes me sad cause I fly caldari. If I had known when I started the game that my race was the worst pvp race, I would have picked another. Oh well, prolly bout time to uninstall eve anyways.
Tulisin Dragonflame	Posted - 2007.03.23 06:24:00 - [36] Originally by: Fluffernator domi is extremely overpowered imo. Caldari is teh suck. Makes me sad cause I fly caldari. If I had known when I started the game that my race was the worst pvp race, I would have picked another. Oh well, prolly bout time to uninstall eve anyways. Yeah, because Gallente ship skills are locked off to Caldari, it isn't like you can cross-train to any ship you like in this game.
Fluffernator	Posted - 2007.03.23 06:39:00 - [37] Edited by: Fluffernator on 23/03/2007 06:41:10 Well, when I already have caldari frig 5, cruiser 5, why should I switch now? Just seems silly eh? Why should I need to cross train any other ship? Guess "balance" Is really just an impossibility. If nos didn't exist in the game, it might have some resemblance to balance, but im skeptical. To date, my frig snipers and cruiser snipers with t2 tanks/guns just die effortlessly to the nos of a vexor. I know its close range weapon systems but in all my experience 90% of eve takes place close range. Range bonuses are almost useless except in large laggy fleet battles. Guess if I want to pvp, I better just fit a rack of nos lol.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.23 07:53:00 - [38] Originally by: Fluffernator domi is extremely overpowered imo. Caldari is teh suck. Makes me sad cause I fly caldari. If I had known when I started the game that my race was the worst pvp race, I would have picked another. Oh well, prolly bout time to uninstall eve anyways. Caldari is not "teh suck". They are quite good and capable of filling a number of roles very well. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Ryysa North Face Force Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.23 08:07:00 - [39] Well, I only play since early 2005, so I missed the dual-mwd era. However, here is what was most overpowered imo. a) The no-stacking-nerf era. 1. Dual Armageddons with 7x dmg mods + megapulse II, you didn't even have to scramble battleships, they died before they could warp :) 2. Neutron Blaster megathron + covops, with 6dmg mods iirc. Seriously... it boredered to 1.6k dps iirc. b) The ECM era. 1. ECM Raven + Javelin Torps + WCS... yes i flew this, to kill this you needed EW + 5-6 ships. If you couldn't jam it, it one volleyed all your cruiser sized ships, jammed all your frigs, and warped on stabs from the big ships. 2. ECM Domi. Tank of apoc + decent damage + jamming ability + a full rack of NOS. Can i say IMBA? c) The Nano era. 1. Nanophoon :D 2. Nanodomi Let's see what happens to be the next fotm. I think that domi is still pretty amazing. N.F.F. Recruitment
Lt Angus Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.23 08:19:00 - [40] torp caracal

SleepingBuddah	Posted - 2007.03.23 08:52:00 - [41] Originally by: Fluffernator Oh well, prolly bout time to uninstall eve anyways. Can I have you stuff?
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2007.03.23 09:03:00 - [42] Raven with siege launchers prior to the missile changes was rather potent. It would hit everything for full damage, and could re-load those torpedoes with cruise missiles or FoF cruise missiles to splat high speed targets (especially when they 'accidentally' made missiles predict a targets path). Dual MWD setups got pretty silly too... ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.23 09:04:00 - [43] Gankageddon.Or ofcourse the dual mwd raven bomber from hell __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Laboratus Gallente BGG Alektorophobia	Posted - 2007.03.23 09:23:00 - [44] "cavalry raven" or 8 heatsink apoc. Both kinda blew anything out of the sky... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.23 12:38:00 - [45] With the exception of the nanophoon its pretty much always been Gallente (after the first missile nerf, Castor?). Stababond was a ***** aswell. 2004/05 Diemos could kill any ship in the game at the time and it only needed one setup. The Thorax was easily a match for most BS aswell... Now that the nanophoon is only a toy availiable to those with billions I guess we're back to the good ol' Dominix again. It's not the ship thats over powered, its the modules and flexibility of fitting that is. The ECM nerf hit it hard but any drone ship can use the damp drone recall/release (borderline exploit) now instead. In 1v1's this is arguably better than ECM ever was.
jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia	Posted - 2007.03.23 12:54:00 - [46] Domi isnt overpowered Everything else is just underpowered. -- Latest Vid: Domination!
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.03.23 13:26:00 - [47] Most overpowered things before the nano imo: The dual-MWD/oversized AB setups were very overpowered. Oversized missiles, especially combined with EW, was very overpowered. A 7 days old character in a Caracal/blackbird could easily bbq anything smaller than a BS. Drones always hitting a target no matter speed and range, if the target had been inside the drone's range once, was quite bad for smaller ships - but at the time of the dual-MWD it was quite a good thing. The surgical strike "bug" with stacking of damagemods was insanely overpowered (the gankageddon was not, it was "easily" killed by a proper armor tank). Non-stacking penalty on sensor dampeners... ehhehe. Non-stacking penalty on invulnerability fields when they were, was it 50% (normal hardeners were 70%)? That one made it quite hard to kill a scorp. Cap relay fueled shield tanks, well they were quite overpowered for solo/2-man gangs. Chance based ECM where the modules had way too high chance. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Dark Flare Caldari Corpus PCG	Posted - 2007.03.23 13:28:00 - [48] Domi/Myrm are both overpowered to hell and back. The Cavalry Raven before the nanonerf sortof still worked, didn't hit for full damage though, naturally. But it did fairly well, a gang of them would probably have still worked. NOS is clearly overpowered at the moment. In BS fights on the test server it seems to be that the ship with the most NOS will ALWAYS win. Rokh with 4 nos 4 torps beats BS with 2 nos. Nosdomi beats NosRokh, because a NOSDomi still has offense... Meh. Dark Flare - Corpus PCG
Major Stuart Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2007.03.23 13:34:00 - [49] Originally by: Imechal Ravpeim I hear stories of a gankgeddon that could melt other BS in two volleys... oh how I wish I were here in those days. My friend for 3 volleyed by a gankgeddon while in a super tanked mega he couldnt believe it lol, he logged in a priv locked onto him and he was dead in 3 volleys That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter. It is a combat drone used by carriers.
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.03.23 13:40:00 - [50] Originally by: Major Stuart Originally by: Imechal Ravpeim I hear stories of a gankgeddon that could melt other BS in two volleys... oh how I wish I were here in those days. My friend for 3 volleyed by a gankgeddon while in a super tanked mega he couldnt believe it lol, he logged in a priv locked onto him and he was dead in 3 volleys Then it wasn't super tanked. Had he had something like 4x 1600 plates and 2x eanm and 1x whatever fitted, he could have laughed while he killed the geddon instead. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me

Steppa Gallente Incognito Inc	Posted - 2007.03.23 13:55:00 - [51] My pre-Revelations Ishtar. 15 heavy tech 2 drones, full tank, complete rack of nos in the highs...simply the most potent ratter out there. Combined with a set of slave implants, it could hit 850 in a straight line and orbit tight at 500. The thorax with 8 heavy drones was an incredible ship from back in the days when cruisers ruled space and battleships were something only the rich had.
Arbenowskee Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.03.23 14:15:00 - [52] crows with 10mn ABs and cruise missiles. those were the days.... :D ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sig too large. Maximum size 400x120 and 24000 bytes. -Oiri Yusko
Sandra Tseng Silentia Mortalis	Posted - 2007.03.23 15:07:00 - [53] Originally by: Fluffernator domi is extremely overpowered imo. [Insert any race] is teh suck. Makes me sad cause I fly [Insert any race, even elves] . If I had known when I started the game that my race was the worst pvp race, I would have picked another. Oh well, prolly bout time to uninstall eve anyways. fixed and I want your stuff too ;]
Thomas Torquemada Minmatar Universal Peace Corp	Posted - 2007.03.23 15:14:00 - [54] Tier2 BC. UPC - PVP'ers Good and Bad, How Do You Want Peace? Through Talk Or In A Casket? We Decide! Peace My Brothers...
Morrigu Storm	Posted - 2007.03.23 15:15:00 - [55] With 3 powergrid rigs it is now more viable to use the Drone and hybrid bonus to good effect on the Domi. I'm not bothering till I have Large Hybrid specs so until then I will use the more common Nos-fit but it is now at least possible or seems to be on paper.
n0thing Northern Intelligence Artificial Intelligence.	Posted - 2007.03.23 15:23:00 - [56] Imo, caldari arent bad, I have seen some guy in Cerberus or in Raven doing alot of damage, dunno about his fitting but missles were fired maybe a little bit slower then large guns fire. Just takes more skills and different tactics then turret ships. The thing about Dominix, the ship is not a problem and could even use a boost to its powergrid since right now it cant use anything but tank-nos-drones, the problem maybe in nosfs that need a counter, like in the other thread was said, if smartbombs will counter nosfs, then the problem will get solved, however Domi itself if wont be able to fit nosf setup will be just useless as it cant fit anything better in highs, rans out of grid usually or even if grid is fine tank isnt powerfull enough. ---
kill0rbunny Chimera Chaos Squadron	Posted - 2007.03.23 15:33:00 - [57] Originally by: Sandra Tseng Originally by: Fluffernator domi is extremely overpowered imo. [Insert any race] is teh suck. Makes me sad cause I fly [Insert any race, even elves] . If I had known when I started the game that my race was the worst pvp race, I would have picked another. Oh well, prolly bout time to uninstall eve anyways. fixed and I want your stuff too ;] Look at jamesw's domination videos if you don't think it is overpowered. Pew Pew!
Xori Ruscuv The Scope	Posted - 2007.03.23 17:08:00 - [58] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 23/03/2007 17:07:00 Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 23/03/2007 17:06:08 Originally by: Fluffernator domi is extremely overpowered imo. Caldari is teh suck. Makes me sad cause I fly caldari. If I had known when I started the game that my race was the worst pvp race, I would have picked another. Oh well, prolly bout time to uninstall eve anyways. KIN I HAV UR SHEEEET? Plus, I love it... my "Caldari Online" sig keeps propagating, and I don't even use it anymore ^_^ Passive shield tank is the new WCS!
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.03.23 17:34:00 - [59] Edited by: dalman on 23/03/2007 17:39:03 Originally by: kill0rbunny Look at jamesw's domination videos if you don't think it is overpowered. Learn to play EVE before you say that anything is overpowered. Originally by: Fluffernator Imo, people whining that the domi can only fit tank-nos? LOL i dont know if anyone has ever checked the powergrid requirements of nos, but if it can fit nos, it can definatly fit guns LOL!? lololooollllol on yourself. Have you ever wondered why domis typicly run around with 2 large and 4 medium nosferatus fitted? Or in some cases even 1 large and 5 medium? Wanna fit more? Say goodbye to your heavy cap injector, your MWD and your 2x rep tank. That's how it is. The only large guns that you really can fit are dual 250 rails, which truthfully ****. Ofc, nowadays we have powergrid rigs that change this. But you need to understand that fitting a powergrid rig equals not fitting a rep ammount rig (or something else useful). Not really any different from removing a hardener and fitting an rcu (yes I know the effect is less, just example). Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.23 17:38:00 - [60] The problem with the Domi was/is its ability to do everything at once. It can also maintain its damage while under the effects of ewar. Damage, tank, nos, drones, ewar, no other ship can do this as far as I know. At least it generally can't bug out if its losing like the phoon could.

Fubarski Caldari Centauri Project	Posted - 2007.03.23 17:46:00 - [61] Wow, TBC got old pretty quick apparently for some of you. Flavor of the month nerf rants is something I expect to read in General Forums on another site. Never really figured the community would get that bad here. Disappointing day. Fubar
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.23 17:50:00 - [62] Originally by: Fluffernator Imo, people whining that the domi can only fit tank-nos? LOL i dont know if anyone has ever checked the powergrid requirements of nos, but if it can fit nos, it can definatly fit guns LOL! Sure, it may not fit the biggest guns of its class, but why does it need to with a damage mod? Way overpowerd imo, maybe if caldari ships were not the slowest in the game they might have a chancem but how is a slow ship gonna utilize a range bonus? Topend guns have above 50% more grid needs then nos,and like 500% to medium which domis use too __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Fluffernator	Posted - 2007.03.23 17:56:00 - [63] "That's how it is. The only large guns that you really can fit are dual 250 rails, which truthfully ****." Point me to a battleship in this game that does have the grid to fit a full on tank, mwd and decent guns? Thats not just a domi specific problem dude. Domi does however get the mwd, full tank, and full damage out of its drones. Trust me, the domi fitting requirements aren't as bad as people make them out to be. Every battleship has to make choices/sacrifices when it comes to fitting.
n0thing Northern Intelligence Artificial Intelligence.	Posted - 2007.03.23 18:27:00 - [64] Exactly, you can fit either lower-end guns + tank or high-end guns + barely no tank. Problem is that Domi wont fit high-end without having to sacrifice everything for it, or fit lower-end guns and still wont be able to fit full tank and get at least half-good damage. Once again, problem as i see it, in nosf not in a ship, no need to fix a cause, fix a reason, moreover, how you think domi can be changed? slots removal? Then it will mean overall Tier 1 overhaul, so the only viable option is to change nosfs and bring in a good counter for them. Also, Tier 2 BCs are the ones that are very close to being almost-like Tier 1 BS imo, BC is still a one step lower class, however Tier 2 BCs in some cases have abilities same as Tier 1 BS wich is completly different and higher class. Thats what need to be at least slighlty looked into imo. ---
Fluffernator	Posted - 2007.03.23 18:29:00 - [65] Yeah, I agree fixing nos is the solution. This game is just ****** up lols, time to find a real mmorp
Vadimik	Posted - 2007.03.23 19:18:00 - [66] Edited by: Vadimik on 23/03/2007 19:16:54 lol You know, this whine about dominix really sounds somewhat like "hey, ak-47 is overpower. It's cheap, it's reliable, and it needs no special ammo. All national armies should ban it, it's obviously broken" I mean, dominix has been aroud since the time of gallente-caldari war. That's dozens of years. And it has not been modifyed ever since, but it's still overpowered ? I mean, WOW. Gallente shipwrights really win this thread. Moreover, what is it about ? Dominix is too good at drones ? (since I have hard time naming something else it's really good at) Well, let's see... Dominix is a droneboat... of a race that specialize in drones... Jee.. No way it's good at droning, no way... It's like caldari ship good at missles, or amarr one with good armor... Or is it the fact that dominix can still do something else after launching the said drones ? Well, believe it or not, but, say, a raven is able to do something else after a volley as well. Namely, launch it's own drones... Or use an E-war. Or launch EW drones. Yes, Dominix is pretty multifunctional. But the only thing it's really good at is droning. It's about average (or worse) at anything else. And since it's a BS (and those are pretty versatile by their very nature) I see no problem with that. P.S. Nos's are another matter. But it has nothing to do with dominix as such.
DeMundus The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.03.23 19:42:00 - [67] I remeber how I once slay two Tempests in low sec. with my first Crow interceptor, it could then fit cruise missils... Or interceptors with 10mn AB. It was in the days with the Cavalary Ravens... ahh the good old days. Then the blobs came Abandon all hope But take care of teh cake!11 - Immy
Fluffernator	Posted - 2007.03.23 20:08:00 - [68] Look, the game doesnt resemble 'technology' at all. Sure the domi is 'years' old but in a digital game that doesnt stop it from being overpowered lols. so yes 'gallante shipwrights' being the devs really did win this one considering domi outclasses all other tier1 bs hand down.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.23 20:12:00 - [69] Originally by: Fluffernator Look, the game doesnt resemble 'technology' at all. Sure the domi is 'years' old but in a digital game that doesnt stop it from being overpowered lols. so yes 'gallante shipwrights' being the devs really did win this one considering domi outclasses all other tier1 bs hand down. It depends,ive seen geddons beat domis,ive seen phoons beat domis both nano and not,ive seen scorpians keep domis jammed perma,its how you use a ship that could make it"overpowered"or not....The way to use the domi has just been made public. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Vadimik	Posted - 2007.03.23 21:20:00 - [70] Originally by: Fluffernator Look, the game doesnt resemble 'technology' at all. Sure the domi is 'years' old but in a digital game that doesnt stop it from being overpowered lols. so yes 'gallante shipwrights' being the devs really did win this one considering domi outclasses all other tier1 bs hand down. Well, you see, while Eve is a game, it's also MMORPG, and that RPG part does imply that roleplaying, storyline and stuff is of as much importance as is "PvP balance" or "reliable software performance". Sure, one can look at any issue from meta-game () point of viev. However, stolyline is always a good thing to consider as well, unless we want to end up playing FPS in space.

cytomatrix Caldari Toys R Us	Posted - 2007.03.23 21:36:00 - [71] EvE-Online is Many Men Online Role Playing Gangsters(MMORPG). Forget about Storylines and just gank everyone. Originally by: Ulecese [ 2007.02.24 17:52:55 ] xxxxxxx > lol you scammed me, this is a bpc [ 2007.02.24 17:53:04 ] Ulecese > well thats what you get for trying to con me with the sales tax sc
Rudy Metallo G.H.O.S.T	Posted - 2007.03.23 23:37:00 - [72] Heat sink'd Geddons. PEWPEWboom. Say what?
king jks New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.03.24 00:15:00 - [73] Jav torp/ECM/stab raven Stabbed vagabond drone ships + ECM (domi/ishtar/curse/pilgrim) basically anything with ECM anything with stabs... oh and nanoships. I hear pre stack nerf geddons were amazing too ------------------------
Zacheria Malfor Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.24 00:25:00 - [74] I find this thread quite amusing seen as almost everyone is screaming the Dominix is overpowered. Yes it is a very tough and versatile little boat, however, people seem to fail to recognise that it is very easy to remove a Dominix's offensive abilities if it is simply relying on drones. I have been in countless fights where people flying other races ships seem not to bother releasing their drones, hence reducing their offensive or defensive abilities. Also what is to stop you using smart bombs to destory the Dominix's drones? Ok in empire smart bombs arent very practical, and yes if it is a nos-domi they will drain your cap quite quickly but the majority of ships seem to fit a cap injector these days which will help you if you time it correctly. Also seen as the Amarr and the Gallente are two races which rely on cap for their weapon systems, even if you are piloting a Minmatar or Caldari ship, with the exception of the Caldari ships which rely on Hybrids, your weapon systems will still function. Do not fear the reaper, for death is the only certainty in life.
Dirtball	Posted - 2007.03.24 02:05:00 - [75] dual mwd thorax
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.24 02:18:00 - [76] Originally by: Zacheria Malfor I find this thread quite amusing seen as almost everyone is screaming the Dominix is overpowered. Yes it is a very tough and versatile little boat, however, people seem to fail to recognise that it is very easy to remove a Dominix's offensive abilities if it is simply relying on drones. I have been in countless fights where people flying other races ships seem not to bother releasing their drones, hence reducing their offensive or defensive abilities. Also what is to stop you using smart bombs to destory the Dominix's drones? Ok in empire smart bombs arent very practical, and yes if it is a nos-domi they will drain your cap quite quickly but the majority of ships seem to fit a cap injector these days which will help you if you time it correctly. Also seen as the Amarr and the Gallente are two races which rely on cap for their weapon systems, even if you are piloting a Minmatar or Caldari ship, with the exception of the Caldari ships which rely on Hybrids, your weapon systems will still function. alot of merit in that post. but just to play the devils advocate.... your right, smartbombs right now aren't really practical to waste a high slot on. and its not like t2 heavies disappear after a couple rounds. also, they can always scoop em up before they die and deploy newer ones (all the while your being nossed to crap) shoot em down? yeah, you could do that, but god is it a pain in the butt to target em all, by the time you have one or two down, your fate is already sealed. i dont think the domi is rediculously overpowered. i think nos definitely needs to be looked at as an underlying issue to overall balance. however there isn't alot of merit to the arument "domi isn't overpowered because you CAN kill his drones". you can do alot in this game, but the practicality and efficiency of doing it in combat, especially solo or with a smaller gang is a whole other story. again, i dont think its REDICULOUSLY overpowered. but it does have some liberties no other bs has with due to its slot layout and drones bay. if it was backed off a bit, more on the level with the typhoon i think it would be a bit more sane as a tier 1 battleship.... or we could just fix nos ?
Ansuru Starlancer The Phoenix Rising Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.24 06:06:00 - [77] Originally by: Humpalot Edited by: Humpalot on 23/03/2007 01:54:46 Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame The dominix isn't even close to the only ship with two weapon systems, just one of the ships that effectively pulls it off. ??? Sure there are ships with mixed weapons systems but they are a split setup. You trade off a high slot to fit a gun OR a missile launcher but can't do both. Of course most ships have some drone bay but the Dominix has a HUGE drone bay compared to other ships. In addition the Dominix gets effectively three bonuses: 5% Hybrid Damage, 10% Drone hitpoints and 10% drone damage. So, its drones act like a primary weapon system and not just a little something extra. Then it can wallop with Blasters putting out staggering damage with the two combined. Or toss the blasters since you still have a primary weapon system in your drones and NOS the target to hell and back and run your tank forever since nothing else uses cap all the while nailing your target with ewar stuff. I am not a big fan of nerfs but c'mon...that has a LOT going for it and I am missing the drawbacks (beyond it being the fugliest battleship in EVE). BZZZT! Wrong, the Dominix only has two bonuses: 5% large hybrid damage and +1 drone controlled per level. In the old days, that translated to 15 heavy drones flying at once. They replaced +1 drone skill and the +1 drone bonus with a skill and a bonus that made each drone act like three to reduce lag. To do that, both HP and damage had to be affected. ;)
Amaldor Themodius	Posted - 2007.06.19 03:37:00 - [78] The Domi is not over powered imho.. There are many ways to drop a domi flat.. - EW Cruiser with Damps with take the sting outa a domi in a heart beat. - Any ship that can fit an mwd with an optimal range over 50 clicks will do the job. - Any ship fitted with a smart bomb or 2 will have the domi looking for an exit. A far better ship to point the finger at is the Caldari Drake (or command ships) with its ridicullous shield tank capability or the insane vagabonds that seem to own 0.0 atm.. The Domi is a good ship but like all ships has its draw backs and choices / sacrifces must be made to fit a domi out in any role. Most the posts here appear to be from players who dont think the domi should be able to fight at all.. Every ship has a weakness in EVE be creative and find it !!
russian alien	Posted - 2007.06.19 03:40:00 - [79] the gankageddon like in 04 was awesome.. i miss dropping another bs in seconds easily. was most horrible thing for awhile.
Tulor Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:01:00 - [80] Edited by: Tulor on 19/06/2007 06:02:22 Maller. w/ surgical strike bug and as many of the best named heat sinks around. BOOM! Sadly they fixed this bug before anyone ever hopped into a geddon. Yarrr!

Santa Anna	Posted - 2007.06.19 08:04:00 - [81] Originally by: Amaldor Themodius The Domi is not over powered imho.. There are many ways to drop a domi flat.. - EW Cruiser with Damps with take the sting outa a domi in a heart beat. - Any ship that can fit an mwd with an optimal range over 50 clicks will do the job. - Any ship fitted with a smart bomb or 2 will have the domi looking for an exit. So in addition to any ship you want to use to actually harm the Domi, you need another one outside of the Domi's drone control range capable of permajamming/damping it? Using this to support an argument that a Domi isn't overpowered seems to be self-defeating. IMO Nos was the big problem with the Domi (to the extent there was one) and it will be very interesting to see what secrets the undead have in store for us.
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.19 08:09:00 - [82] Quote: - EW Cruiser with Damps with take the sting outa a domi in a heart beat. - Any ship that can fit an mwd with an optimal range over 50 clicks will do the job. - Any ship fitted with a smart bomb or 2 will have the domi looking for an exit. 1. No. The damps will have the same effect on any other ship. In fact, the Domi is one the least vulnerable to Ewar because of its drones. 2. You can do the same against any other close-range-set-up BS. Just hope that the Domi's sentry drones can't hit you. 3. Smartbombs eat your cap and take a long time to kill Ogre IIs. And then just when you've got through its shield, the Domi pilot scoops then and their shields magically heal instantly. The reason the Domi and the Myrm are overpowered is because of their extreme flexibility. They can gank well, they can tank well, they can do cap warfare well, they're less affected by ECM/damps then many other ships, they can snipe well. And typically they can do several of these well at the same time. In contrast, the Drake can only do one thing well - tanking. And in itself, that's really not that useful.
kill0rbunny Alpha-Hirogen Phoenix Allianz	Posted - 2007.06.19 08:44:00 - [83] Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 23/03/2007 17:39:03 Originally by: kill0rbunny Look at jamesw's domination videos if you don't think it is overpowered. Learn to play EVE before you say that anything is overpowered. I *****pretty much in a domi solo, even though my drone skills do suck. Maybe you should learn how to play if you don't manage to do it? I pew therefore I am.
AntonioBanderas	Posted - 2007.06.19 08:52:00 - [84] i hate dominix i hate gallente.
Steyr Daghan	Posted - 2007.06.19 10:32:00 - [85] Originally by: n0thing Imo, caldari arent bad, I have seen some guy in Cerberus or in Raven doing alot of damage... You're right. Caldari ships aren't that "bad" at pvp. All things equal they sometimes manage to come in second place. Unfortunately second place means they lose.
Caios Caldari Unified Refining Federation Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.19 12:32:00 - [86] tbh most overpowered is the shuttle. they've got ridiculous tanks.
Meepie	Posted - 2007.06.19 12:51:00 - [87] Originally by: Nadraas My kitty hurts >.<
Alt Spy	Posted - 2007.06.19 13:01:00 - [88] Dual 100MN afterburner Maller was nasty.
Bein Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.19 13:12:00 - [89] titans
Dray Caldari Endgame.	Posted - 2007.06.19 13:17:00 - [90] Edited by: Dray on 19/06/2007 13:16:18 8 heavy drone rax was a joy. Dual mwd ruppie and raven were fun fun fun, and my personal fave was the cruise crow, slashing attacks on big gate gangs and popping support b4 you could say "OMGWTFHAXSPLOITZ" Of those definately the crow with the ruppie and rax a close 2nd. I'm filling up here with all the fond memories.

grappler Divine Retribution	Posted - 2007.06.19 18:43:00 - [91] Without a doubt it has to be the oversized AB and MWD maullers that started the whole super fast cruiser fad
Horza Otho Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.06.19 18:45:00 - [92] dual mwd ravens w/ torps... dual mwd torp scorps w/ perma jamming, 0 tracking 1400 pests... gankageddons etc etc
Atomic Atty Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.06.19 18:54:00 - [93] Originally by: welsh wizard The problem with the Domi was/is its ability to do everything at once. It can also maintain its damage while under the effects of ewar. Damage, tank, nos, drones, ewar, no other ship can do this as far as I know. Curse ? Drone damage Speed tank Nosfest AS I said, drones Sensor Dampers = Lamest IWIN ship i've ever fought. ---------- Laulau's Blog
Aya Otosaki Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.06.19 18:58:00 - [94] anything that can cyno. ----- Ignorance is my strength.
Bootleg Greg	Posted - 2007.06.19 19:55:00 - [95] didn't there used to be suicide kessy squads that plow into u doing collission dmg of like .. 400, but warping into roid fields wasn't fun :X
Tuea	Posted - 2007.06.19 20:17:00 - [96] domi hasn't always been so good, in fact for a long time it was sniffed at as the worst tier 1 BS. There was no drone damage bonus, no drone control bonus, if I remember right the bonus' were 5% hybrid damage and drone bay size per level. It was basically a totally crappy mega with loads of backup drones. Everyone has already mentioned all the crazy overpowered ships i recall. I can vividly remember being gutted my oversized AB/MWD moa had been ripped from me, but deep down I knew it was right
DAgandalF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.19 20:21:00 - [97] 10mn ab torpspitting crow :) __________________________________________________ Beat me up, scotty
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.19 20:23:00 - [98] Edited by: slothe on 19/06/2007 20:22:21 Originally by: DAgandalF 10mn ab torpspitting crow :) never possible :P ? but 4x cruise missile kestrel was overpowered or 5x torpedo caracal maybe was overpowered personally i liked the 0 mass mwd torpedo cycle jamming blackbird :D
Mysa Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2007.06.19 20:41:00 - [99] Any said Blasterranis??
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.19 21:39:00 - [100] I see your Taranis, and raise you a 250mm railgun Kestrel ------ Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant tanking



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