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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
Requiem of Hades
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Posted - 2007.03.23 08:59:00 -
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My constructive suggestion.
New content - Vivox.
Effects -
1) Forum unhappiness.
2) Not user friendly for players with multiple accounts because one instance of Vivox is active on per account basis.
3) Interoperability malfunction because a few have them and some don't.
What to do?
A) CCP could give us Vivox for free on all accounts but raise subscription fee to 15.99. Everything else in the world has inflated why not eVe?  eVe pricing has been the same since release.
B) Introduce special deals. Buy 12 months eVe subscription in advance and get free Vivox for 12 months.
Good idea? Everyone is happy, CCP and us. CCP is 4TW. 
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Posted - 2007.03.23 09:05:00 -
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they said they didnt want to add vivox costs to regular
supscription fees because they dont want to penalize the people who are
not going to use it.
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Raneru
Darwin With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.03.23 09:08:00 -
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There are another 2 threads on page 1 of this forum already on this subject...
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Elgar Lightfoot
Lightfoot Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.23 09:09:00 -
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DEFINATELY NOT. EVE is already the most expensive MMO on the market, for us in the UK. I refuse to cough up even more cash to subsidise YOUR voice chat.
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WETRAIN
Minmatar
R.U.S.T.
Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2007.03.23 09:10:00 -
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Jenny are you at work atm ? i`m bored as **** too :(
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Drasked
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.03.23 09:33:00 -
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WTF is eVe?
And no, there is no reason at all to use the VOIP since its a downgrade from programs as Teamspeak and Ventrilo, let alone pay for it!
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Minmatar
Sugarcane Technologies
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Posted - 2007.03.23 09:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
A) CCP could give us Vivox for free on all accounts but raise subscription fee to 15.99. Everything else in the world has inflated why not eVe? eVe pricing has been the same since release.
short version: worst idea ive heard since a while
long version removed, it would not pass the profanity filter
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Olsen'Kra
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Posted - 2007.03.23 09:47:00 -
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Poor,poor Jennny, I wonder what thread you will come up with tomorrow.
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Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.23 09:59:00 -
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We need to enable sound ingame for it to work right?
Sorry but I pass on this one.
And bring back the real Jenny
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Viliny
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.23 10:05:00 -
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1Ç =~ free
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Gloria Stitz
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Posted - 2007.03.23 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Noluck Ned
We need to enable sound ingame for it to work right?
Sorry but I pass on this one.
And bring back the real Jenny
Is this correct? I was considering getting vivox, but if it involves turning game sounds back on, then its a no-no.
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Viktor VonCarstein
Amarr
Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.23 10:06:00 -
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So if I am reading this correctly I need to purchase Eve Voice for each one of my accounts.
If this is the case I will be sticking to contributing to our corp TS.
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Sahjahn
Caldari
Black Wolves
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Posted - 2007.03.23 10:07:00 -
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Good idea? Everyone is happy, CCP and us. CCP is 4TW.
I'm not paying money so YOU can use vivox. I don't need it and therefore should have to pay for it.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.03.23 10:17:00 -
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dodgy program no one wanted took em 2 motnhs of diverted programming time to get it working ( Could have been spent on better things) doesnt work with alts and now we have useless and only small corps will use it. Not one of CCPs brighter ideas
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.03.23 10:18:00 -
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Funny how if I want to use it, I have to pay, but if the bugs it introduces are FREE, GRATIS, NO CHARGE.
Now... given CCP's track record, I am willing to wager one years ViVox subscription that if I actually sign up the white elephant, I don't suffer the bugs I suffer from NOT signing up to it.
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.23 10:19:00 -
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No thanks.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.03.23 10:46:00 -
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I've had to cancel my EVE subscription (and going to try to live off GTC's till things settle enough to come back with proper money). Making it more expensive for something as menial as VOIP (of which I dont need ever anyhow) for everyone (including those who dont need/want it) is stupid on a level I refuse to comment on due to the choice of words to describe it would give the profanity filter fits for days.
Jenny, revert to Jenny v1 please.
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.03.23 10:53:00 -
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EVE Voice is a premium feature, that mean's it costs a bit extra but it is not necessary to have it. I agree with some of the posters in this thread, we will not raise subscription price to pay for a feature not everyone wants or will use.
Wrangler
Assistant Community Manager
EVE Online
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Malcanis
Galactech Industries Ltd.
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.23 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
My constructive suggestion.
New content - Vivox.
Effects -
1) Forum unhappiness.
2) Not user friendly for players with multiple accounts because one instance of Vivox is active on per account basis.
3) Interoperability malfunction because a few have them and some don't.
What to do?
A) CCP could give us Vivox for free on all accounts but raise subscription fee to 15.99. Everything else in the world has inflated why not eVe? eVe pricing has been the same since release.
B) Introduce special deals. Buy 12 months eVe subscription in advance and get free Vivox for 12 months.
Good idea? Everyone is happy, CCP and us. CCP is 4TW.
I don't particularly want Vivox, which means I don't want to pay for it. The fuss about this mystified me, until I remembered how many whiners there are on this forum.
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Jarjar
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.23 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
eVe pricing has been the same since release.
It most certainly has not!
In 2003, I paid $12.95, or 90.4 SEK a month.
Now, I pay 14.95 euro a month, or 139 SEK a month.
That's an increase of 53.7%.
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.03.23 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jarjar
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
eVe pricing has been the same since release.
It most certainly has not!
In 2003, I paid $12.95, or 90.4 SEK a month.
Now, I pay 14.95 euro a month, or 139 SEK a month.
That's an increase of 53.7%.
25% of that is VAT though, which we didn't have back at release. I blame the EU! Damn people trying to tell me a cucumber has to be straight and not curbed or it's not a cucumber. 
Wrangler
Assistant Community Manager
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Kaar
Spankage Inc
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.23 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
I blame the EU! Damn people trying to tell me a cucumber has to be straight and not curbed or it's not a cucumber.
Dude you have issues 
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Skarsnik
Caldari
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.03.23 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kaar
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
I blame the EU! Damn people trying to tell me a cucumber has to be straight and not curbed or it's not a cucumber.
Dude you have issues
It's actually true, there is an EU directive that stipulates that if a cucumber is not straight it cannot be classed as a cucumber. Something along those line. Crazy beaureucrats(sp?) 
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.23 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Skarsnik
Originally by: Kaar
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
I blame the EU! Damn people trying to tell me a cucumber has to be straight and not curbed or it's not a cucumber.
Dude you have issues
It's actually true, there is an EU directive that stipulates that if a cucumber is not straight it cannot be classed as a cucumber. Something along those line. Crazy beaureucrats(sp?)
And suddenly some of the insanity here in the US doesn't seem quite so bad.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2007.03.23 11:29:00 -
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A cucumber is not a cucumber if the maximum height of the arc exceeds 10 mm per 10 cm of the length of cucumber. The things you learn while browsing Eve-O forums
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Valator Uel
Caldari
Pax Minor Asylum
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.03.23 11:32:00 -
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What about making it free to listen, pay to talk?
Oh and Wrangler, can you please please tell someone to answer the questions in the OFFICIAL CCP EVE Voice thread? It's being totaly ignored and there are some honest questions/problems there.
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Caletha Reborn
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Posted - 2007.03.23 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE Voice is a premium feature, that mean's it costs a bit extra but it is not necessary to have it. I agree with some of the posters in this thread, we will not raise subscription price to pay for a feature not everyone wants or will use.
Arent you afraid though that the inability to listen to eve-voice when you dont have a subscription leads to it not being used at all?
I mean everyone in a gang can listen to ventrilo/teamspeak without any additional cost (other then what the corp/alliance pays). With Eve-voice and not being able to listen to people (without the subscription) would mean only half the gang can listen.
Anyways, just my 2 cents. Our alliance will keep using ventrilo/teamspeak for gangs as its just not viable to use a system which only half the gang (if that) will pay for.
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Leneerra
Minmatar
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.03.23 11:43:00 -
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hmm, free to listen, pay to speak.. might solve a lot of comm clutter
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Bon Hedus
Amarr
O.E.C
Legionnaire Services Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.03.23 11:48:00 -
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To the OP. My ISP blocks/restricts port 5060 which is used by Vivox/Eve voice. What this means is that I am unable to use Eve Voice. So what you are saying is that you want me to pay for a service I am unable to use? I don't think so. I will stick to Vent.
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Mindlles
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.23 12:13:00 -
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Yeah that would be awsome Jenny, So great with to work with a eve-client with voice.
NOT
Vivox is in my opion a stupid ide, Annyone can setup a ts server for free, sure for the bigger corps / orgs u need a bigger ts server. But when 200+ppl share the respons its no worry.
Vivox is in my opion a ide wich havent been tought thrue proprley. This is not a thing eve needed in anny sense. When their is so much other things thats more importen or intrsting.
I would gladly pay more money if they just sorted the problems in 0.0. Like add 15mins logg off timer 24/7.
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.23 12:28:00 -
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The idea has some merit because the vivox service is only moderately useful as long as only a few people have it and use it; it doesn't come into its own right until everyone has it so it can actually be considered a proper substitute for a ventrilo or TS server.
The smartest thing to do would probably be to just give it to everyone for free for a quarter or half a year (yeah I know of the 1 month trial but IMO it doesn't cut it  ). After that period you could either opt for a solution where everyone pays a little more and continue with universal availability, or introducing it as a premium service once corps have become addicted to it, assuming the service is good enough that people WILL become addicted to it .
In any case, for my part it's a no-no no matter how you look at it because my university ISP blocks all UDP connections so I won't have any use for it anyways. Which is a shame, since I had actually been looking forward to testing out the voice integration with the gang system.
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Fuujin
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.23 12:56:00 -
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The forum unhappiness effect doesn't qualify. When are the forums ever happy? Every time ccp introduces anything there's always a handfull of people whining about it.
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Isyel
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.23 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Fuujin
The forum unhappiness effect doesn't qualify. When are the forums ever happy? Every time ccp introduces anything there's always a handfull of people whining about it.
Most people around here are idiots. Fact. End.
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MilitaryMind
Beyond Divinity Inc
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.23 13:04:00 -
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Free To Listen - Pay To Talk! FTW!
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Bon Hedus
Amarr
O.E.C
Legionnaire Services Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.03.23 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
Originally by: Bon Hedus
To the OP. My ISP blocks/restricts port 5060 which is used by Vivox/Eve voice. What this means is that I am unable to use Eve Voice. So what you are saying is that you want me to pay for a service I am unable to use? I don't think so. I will stick to Vent.
So the crappiness of your ISP is CCP's fault now is it? Find a better one. I suggest reaching out with a short stick because you'll probably hit three or four.
LOL, you obviously don't live in an area where your ISP has a monopoly. My choices are 2, my current ISP at 3meg DSL, or dial-up. I don't live in the middle of nowhere, but it is just over the next hill. I am very lucky to have high speed internet at all. The other issue is this... I have a very tight budget. If the rates go up too much, I would have to consider closing my 1 account and I enjoy playing Eve too much to want to consider doing that.
I guess the moral of the story is this... Before you start swinging with a "know it all" attitude, learn the other guy's situation first.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.23 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Fuujin
The forum unhappiness effect doesn't qualify. When are the forums ever happy? Every time ccp introduces anything there's always a handfull of people whining about it.
"Handful"?! That alone leads me to suspect you don't even read the forums. :D
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Muthsera
S.A.S
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Posted - 2007.03.23 13:43:00 -
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Vivox = ftl
Hopes it dies quick.
@Winterblink, hows your health mate?
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Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.23 13:55:00 -
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Just read the ambulation or invention thread. Everytime there is something new, they are whiners.
They must be immune by now.
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Grez
Minmatar
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.23 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Gloria Stitz
Originally by: Noluck Ned
We need to enable sound ingame for it to work right?
Sorry but I pass on this one.
And bring back the real Jenny
Is this correct? I was considering getting vivox, but if it involves turning game sounds back on, then its a no-no.
No you don't.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.23 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Muthsera
@Winterblink, hows your health mate?
Excellent now, thanks for asking. I have this really neat scar on my back that looks like somebody shivved me. :)
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Drasked
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.03.23 14:46:00 -
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What are the reasons people would use VIVOX over ts/vent anyway? i can only see downsides to VIVOX.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.23 14:47:00 -
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If CCP won't add Vivox into the regular subscription as not everyone uses it (as opposed to any other reason(s)), I want them to reduce my subscription and cut me off from missions.
I hate mission runners and do not wish to subsidise their WoW in space.
Also, I don't like, umm, hmm, well, let's stick with missions for now, I don't like missions, and a lot of other people don't like missions, and we don't use them so missionsshould not be in the game.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.23 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Drasked
What are the reasons people would use VIVOX over ts/vent anyway? i can only see downsides to VIVOX.
To talk to people. Who don't have access to your TS server. Or if you don't have a TS server.
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.23 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Drasked
What are the reasons people would use VIVOX over ts/vent anyway? i can only see downsides to VIVOX.
To talk to people. Who don't have access to your TS server. Or if you don't have a TS server.
I think you're fighting a losing battle here
Most of the whining probably stems from standard aversion to change, because ventrilo and TS has become an old established institution. There isn't much to do about it except give it time so attitudes can change, provided eve voice delivers of course.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.23 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: James Snowscoran
I think you're fighting a losing battle here
Most of the whining probably stems from standard aversion to change, because ventrilo and TS has become an old established institution. There isn't much to do about it except give it time so attitudes can change, provided eve voice delivers of course.
He's not fighting a losing battle, he has a legitimate point. Not every person or corp falls into the category of people for who TS/Vent makes the most sense. If someone can operate with the group they play with efficiently using EVE Voice, more power to them.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.03.23 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Leneerra
hmm, free to listen, pay to speak.. might solve a lot of comm clutter
Now I have to flip a coin to see who gets my stuff when I quit.
Leneerra or Cipher7.
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Adrian Kerensky
Caldari
STK Scientific
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.23 15:52:00 -
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Don't know about anyone else, but I and everyone else I talk to all still use teamspeak which is free and just as good.
Hasn't made any difference whatsoever and hasn't added anything from my point of view either.
I'd rather not have to pay for it.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.03.23 15:56:00 -
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If [Click here to insert name of your favourite cheating alliance] used Vivox, how would they co-ordinate node crashing events while out of Eve?
So let's presume [You favourite cheating alliance] doesn't use Vivox, and some other alliance [that may cheat but not quite as much] do, and there is a big battle - worthy of the login news page, and the ViVox users voice goes down, and the non-vivox doesn't go down... how's that going to go?
Your Titan can die to an exploit and CCP say NOTHING on the matter. So what are they going to say when your ViVox goes down and you lose, whether it died because Eve died, or the node died, or because some GM decided that your guys really don't need to hear each other right now.
CCP are going to say NOTHING except how great ViVox is all over the front page of this website, and how several large websites you may have NEVER HEARD of rating it The Number One Voice System In A Space Based MMO That Contains Four Races And No First Person Camera Angles.
What would BoB do?
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Grainsalt
Free Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.23 15:57:00 -
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Can't it be done so that you can pay for a corp to have access.. i.e.
TS you can pay for an X amount server. If Vivox could be configured so that you pay for 10 people in a corp (10 slots) or 20, or 30 then that would be great..
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Alexander Knott
Ars ex Discordia
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.23 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE Voice is a premium feature, that mean's it costs a bit extra but it is not necessary to have it. I agree with some of the posters in this thread, we will not raise subscription price to pay for a feature not everyone wants or will use.
Have corp/alliance prices for the Vivox service been announced? I have a hard time seeing it being very popular if every person in an alliance has to subscribe for themselves.
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Derrys
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.23 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Alexander Knott
Have corp/alliance prices for the Vivox service been announced? I have a hard time seeing it being very popular if every person in an alliance has to subscribe for themselves.
Yeah, I think that's the fatal flaw in the current pricing model myself. It makes it very difficult for corporations and alliances to adopt Vivox -- they'll have to turn away any prospective recruits who don't have/want it, for starters. And fewer people will be looking to join corporations that use Vivox in the first place, since it means they'll have to increase their subscription price.
I can't see this succeeding without flat corp/alliance prices that are competitive with TeamSpeak or Ventrilo.
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Deckard Bishop
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Posted - 2007.03.23 16:37:00 -
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trolling is not allowed
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