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Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.07 21:22:00 - [271] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri The CVA has no need to enter this war. They are perfectly positioned to continue to expand Amarr while you waste your time failing to suppress PIE. You'll forgive me for ignoring the words of a coward of course. Star Fraction is recruiting
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.07 21:23:00 - [272] It is nice to know you are reduced to petty insults rather than arguments. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.04.07 21:24:00 - [273] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Garreck You're refuting a statement that was not made, Mr. Cosmopolite. And you are intervening with galnet posts in a conflict you have precisely nothing to do with. And that is something especially you never do naturally. Oh, come on... bitter that the CVA is not acting as you had planned? You sound a bit whiney there. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 21:25:00 - [274] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine And you are intervening with galnet posts in a conflict you have precisely nothing to do with. Unless you want the reputation of a man who can achieve nothing in space and must instead chatter endlessly on the galnet you should avoid the topics concerning the actual war unless you are prepared to do something to make a difference. My reputation is of no concern. If putting some perspective on Fractionite spin marks me an incapable pilot, so much the worse for those who do encounter me in space.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.07 21:25:00 - [275] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri It is nice to know you are reduced to petty insults rather than arguments. Well Gaven, in the absence of an actual target in space our options are limited. I'd love to fire tech2 hybrid rounds at you but that rather involves you undocking first. Star Fraction is recruiting
Heero Yuy Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.07 21:27:00 - [276] Edited by: Heero Yuy on 07/04/2007 21:25:30 Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Heero Yuy Edited by: Heero Yuy on 07/04/2007 21:10:10 Self-defence, however, appears to be beyond their remit and/or capabilities. An interesting dichotomy right there. Cute, but irrelevant. Of course. After all, everything not in accordance with your opinions must be irrelevant. Whatever you say the fact remains that we are in your capital system, spoiling for a fight. Your allies, however, steadfastly refuse to engage or undock. Spin it entirely how you like, the "praetorians" appears simply to lack both the courage, moral fortitude and military capability to engage our limited numbers. When their compatriots occasionally make an inept attempt, they generally die most spectacularly. That, of course, is as it should be, but it would be better by far if they found it within themselves to make more of an effort.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.07 21:33:00 - [277] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri in full You might find the article about events that took place while PIE pilots were "Unable to travel freely" to be an interesting refutation of the idea that Amarrian Paramilitaries have been suppressed. Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri as edited by Garreck an interesting refutation of the idea that Amarrian Paramilitaries have been suppressed. Originally by: The Cosmopolite it would be somewhat disingenuous to cite it as evidence that Amarrian paramilitaries are able to travel freely. You're refuting a statement that was not made, Mr. Cosmopolite. SF are boasting of kill ratios to prove their success against PIE. PIE have tangible proof, however, that they are still quitecapable of carrying out their mission of defense of the Empire. Hence, not suppressed. Gaven Lok'ri's full remarks made use of the phrase 'unable to travel freely' in a clearly ironic manner. I note you carefully left that out of your quote-chopping. I simply shrug at this. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.07 21:35:00 - [278] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Any attempts to suggest that PIE is already on the road to defeat will just make you look worse when you realize you cannot win this war and run off again. Once again, no one from the Star Fraction has declared victory or judged PIE to be defeated. It is only your friends and allies that seek to put such a construction on our words. We have the will for a long and bloody war and we fully expect one. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Heero Yuy Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.07 21:38:00 - [279] We can but hope....
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 21:38:00 - [280] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Gaven Lok'ri's full remarks made use of the phrase 'unable to travel freely' in a clearly ironic manner. I note you carefully left that out of your quote-chopping. I left it out because it was accurate enough: Let's get to the technical truth of the matter. PIE are still capable of travelling freely enough to accomplish their stated mission. So long as they continue to be capable of doing so, your war is a failure. Which is why, I'm sure, we're seeing Fractionites get a bit worked up.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.07 21:38:00 - [281] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 07/04/2007 21:34:48 Choosing to engage is traveling freely, even if you lose the battle. The fact that your destruction of the first escort fleet was after the objectives were accomplished, and that you failed to bother the second one at all, suggests to me that yes PIE can travel freely when it feels like it. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.04.07 21:39:00 - [282] I find it most mindboggling how you mnage to kill battlegroups of people that never undock. I think it can be summed up as: SF are talking out of their arses at least 50% of the time. In fact that's a statement I have found to hold true throughout SF history. At least you are consistant in some points. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.07 21:42:00 - [283] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 07/04/2007 21:34:48 Choosing to engage is traveling freely, even if you lose the battle. The fact that your destruction of the first escort fleet was after the objectives were accomplished, and that you failed to bother the second one at all, suggests to me that yes PIE can travel freely when it feels like it. Anyone can travel freely at the helm of interceptors with warp core stabilization modules Gaven. Whether thats actually helping much to "defend the empire" - thats another kettle of fish entirely. Star Fraction is recruiting
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 21:46:00 - [284] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Whether thats actually helping much to "defend the empire" - thats another kettle of fish entirely. We're coming full circle. As has been pointed out, PIE have already demonstrated this capability.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.07 21:46:00 - [285] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: The Cosmopolite Gaven Lok'ri's full remarks made use of the phrase 'unable to travel freely' in a clearly ironic manner. I note you carefully left that out of your quote-chopping. I left it out because it was accurate enough: You quoted out-of-context to fit the words to your own particular purpose in comparing my remarks and Gaven Lok'ri's. Accurate? Hardly. Quote: Let's get to the technical truth of the matter. PIE are still capable of travelling freely enough to accomplish their stated mission. So long as they continue to be capable of doing so, your war is a failure. Which is why, I'm sure, we're seeing Fractionites get a bit worked up. I'm not worked up in any way. If you are making so obvious a point as to say that any war is a failure until it yields victory, then that is fine. I think is rather banal and trite as points go, personally. The war continues. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Kaiso Ohad Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.07 21:49:00 - [286] Originally by: The Cosmopolite I think is rather banal and trite as points go, personally. It's right up there with space not being entirely safe for a corporation with active wars.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.07 21:50:00 - [287] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri And Cosmopolite, your organization's rhetoric is as random as your organization's ideals. Some of you are talking as if PIE is gone and dead, others are saying it will take months. Some of you are saying we have taken crippling losses, while others say we never undock. Make up your minds. I repeat, only you and your friends and allies are putting the construction on our words that PIE is defeated. We know the war will be long and we are quite prepared to commit to a lengthy and brutal war. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.07 21:52:00 - [288] Originally by: Garreck Which is why, I'm sure, we're seeing Fractionites get a bit worked up. Either that or we are quite sensibly harnessing your windy (if vaporous) bravado to ensure that our war declaration remains at the top of the IGS "hot topics" of discussion. I wonder? Star Fraction is recruiting
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.07 21:55:00 - [289] Originally by: Kaiso Ohad Originally by: The Cosmopolite I think is rather banal and trite as points go, personally. It's right up there with space not being entirely safe for a corporation with active wars. So why are you making that point instead of demonstrating it? The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 21:55:00 - [290] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Garreck Which is why, I'm sure, we're seeing Fractionites get a bit worked up. Either that or we are quite sensibly harnessing your windy (if vaporous) bravado to ensure that our war declaration remains at the top of the IGS "hot topics" of discussion. I wonder? Why should it not be? I'd be happy for it to remain at the top for a year running so that when Star Fraction are forced to admit defeat, we can all look at the hollow insults you hurled at my betters just to harness my windy, vaporous bravado.
Kaiso Ohad Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.07 22:00:00 - [291] Originally by: The Cosmopolite So why are you making that point instead of demonstrating it? There's nothing to demonstrate as far as I'm concerned.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.07 22:12:00 - [292] Originally by: Garreck Why should it not be? I'd be happy for it to remain at the top for a year running so that when Star Fraction are forced to admit defeat, we can all look at the hollow insults you hurled at my betters just to harness my windy, vaporous bravado. Your betters perhaps, not the betters of anyone else. I guess its painful to discover that you have prostituted yourself to a civilization of cowards and dock monkeys but those are the breaks Garreck. Still, I'm left wondering why you are spending all your time posting on galnet for an organisation that is resolutely uninvolved in this conflict. You remind me of a hungry little child pressing his nose against a sweet shop window at the moment Star Fraction is recruiting
Kaiso Ohad Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.07 22:21:00 - [293] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine a civilization of cowards and dock monkeys And while I'm at the terminal...With all due respect to your endurance in this "Repeat ad nauseum, hope for a reaction" campaign of yours, you know what they say about people who try the same exact thing twice and expect a different outcome.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.07 22:22:00 - [294] Originally by: Kaiso Ohad Originally by: Jasmine Constantine a civilization of cowards and dock monkeys And while I'm at the terminal...With all due respect to your endurance in this "Repeat ad nauseum, hope for a reaction" campaign of yours, you know what they say about people who try the same exact thing twice and expect a different outcome. Well not like you have the opportunity to do anything else at the moment is it Star Fraction is recruiting
Kaiso Ohad Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.07 22:25:00 - [295] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Well not like you have the opportunity to do anything else at the moment is it I see an opportunity to rest my case rising and might just take it.
Tecam Hund The Buggers	Posted - 2007.04.07 22:30:00 - [296] Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Razor Jaxx It's not our goals you should be concerned with, tyrant, but yours. How long are you going to sit idly, and passively watch us turn your crown-jewel of a system into a gigantic brothel? Or maybe your 'protector' ideal was that of a 'pimp' all along? As I said: we are prepared for a long campaign. You in contrast are already proclaiming victory after a week here. So stick with your delusions of winning a war - we'll talk again in a few months. Or maybe it's all just a failed attempt at 'propaganda' and 'psyops'? To put this to rest, I was the only person to congratulate SF on what, in my opinion, is an obvious military victory. Judging from the killboard records and the way the slavers perform on Galnet I can see as much. However if anybody is prepared for a long campaign and is dedicated to their goals, that would be SF. Mito constellation campaign proved that, and you are not performing any better than State loyalists did.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.07 22:31:00 - [297] Originally by: Kaiso Ohad Originally by: The Cosmopolite So why are you making that point instead of demonstrating it? There's nothing to demonstrate as far as I'm concerned. So why make the point at all? You do realise you are the first person to actually make that point, I suppose? You sought to dismiss us by pointing out that empire space is generally unsafe for Amarrian paramilitaries in reply to my comrade Ituralde. It was indeed a banal and trite point at the time but I really do not know why you insist on pointing this out. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Kaiso Ohad Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.07 22:38:00 - [298] Edited by: Kaiso Ohad on 07/04/2007 22:39:39 Originally by: The Cosmopolite You do realise you are the first person to actually make that point, I suppose? Black market memory implants failing again? Here, let me give you a hand: "In the coming weeks, the Star Fraction is resolved to demonstrate that the very heartlands of the Amarr Empire are unsafe for its supporters" - The Cosmopolite (queue the spin)
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.07 23:10:00 - [299] Originally by: Kaiso Ohad Originally by: The Cosmopolite You do realise you are the first person to actually make that point, I suppose? Black market memory implants failing again? Here, let me give you a hand: "In the coming weeks, the Star Fraction is resolved to demonstrate that the very heartlands of the Amarr Empire are unsafe for its supporters" - The Cosmopolite (queue the spin) I have no need of spin. I knew quite well you would attempt to quote the original post. (However, others should note that the paramilitary is trying to cast any reply I make as 'spin' ahead of me actually replying.) Here is your remark as to the banality of the point in context: Originally by: Kaiso Ohad Originally by: The Cosmopolite I think is rather banal and trite as points go, personally. It's right up there with space not being entirely safe for a corporation with active wars. Here is your point, the first time someone makes this point, in context: Originally by: Kaiso Ohad Originally by: Ituralde Its your choice to pretend a force that is actively at war with you and makes you unable to travel freely throughout the empire is insignificant. Empire space not being safe for pilots of Amarrian Paramilitaries is the status quo and hardly news. Here is the full sentence from the war declaration announcement (note once more that a paramilitary has quoted out of context): Originally by: War Declaration In the coming weeks, the Star Fraction is resolved to demonstrate that the very heartlands of the Amarr Empire are unsafe for its supporters and that we û anarchists, rebels, terrorists and outlaws that we may be û can and will operate against loyalist forces in the capital of the Empire and throughout the surrounding systems, constellations and regions. The statement in the War Declaration was a statement of resolve and our will to demonstrate it on a continuing basis. It was not making the point you made. So, no spin needed, we didn't make the point you described, rightly, as banal and trite, whereas you did. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Kaiso Ohad Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.07 23:16:00 - [300] I still fail to see how being determined to demonstrate something that's common knowledge isn't banal and trite, regardless of rhetorics.

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