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Davlos
Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.04.09 11:23:00 -
[331]
This is disappointing. I thought it was Star Fraction that takes pride in letting their guns do the talking. Why try so hard to prove that the Amarr home systems aren't safe for the Amarr paramilitaries any longer?
Or did something change about 'gunboat diplomacy'? I really ought to follow up on the memos.
Please continue posting accurate statistics, and let the spectator judge for himself. The spin induces headaches. ---------------
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 11:24:00 -
[332]
Originally by: Davlos This is disappointing. I thought it was Star Fraction that takes pride in letting their guns do the talking. Why try so hard to prove that the Amarr home systems aren't safe for the Amarr paramilitaries any longer?
Or did something change about 'gunboat diplomacy'? I really ought to follow up on the memos.
Please continue posting accurate statistics, and let the spectator judge for himself. The spin induces headaches.
Later on today we release the first War Diary and combat video review. Then I guess you see for yourself.
Star Fraction is recruiting
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Davlos
Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.04.09 11:29:00 -
[333]
I hope that you, Madam Constantine, realize that War Diaries and combat recordings are spin as well. I'm quite satisfied enough with crunching the numbers.
Thank you however for the consideration of informing me of the upcoming features. It's far more entertaining than the GalFed reality holovids that I've been watching to amuse myself with. ---------------
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 11:32:00 -
[334]
Originally by: Davlos I hope that you, Madam Constantine, realize that War Diaries and combat recordings are spin as well. I'm quite satisfied enough with crunching the numbers.
Thank you however for the consideration of informing me of the upcoming features. It's far more entertaining than the GalFed reality holovids that I've been watching to amuse myself with.
I think you know where you can find the raw data if you want an upcoming preview Davlos, its not a difficult search.
Star Fraction is recruiting
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Octavinus Augustus
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.09 11:34:00 -
[335]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
PIE typically hide from battle while AM field legions of tech1 cruisers would be more accurate to say.
First, I must regrettably correct myself. I just noticed that in my post above I quoted Ituralde for speaking about Amarr Loyalists fielding T1 cruisers. The actual post was made by Atandros.
As for the post by Atandros it was made to indicate that I apparently didn't contibute much in way of financing our war effort as you had lately been killing only T1 cruisers (the point made by Atandros).
Reading this reply consequently makes it look as if I'm now financing the warefforts of AM. I'm not. AM are quite capable in their own right and hardly need my financial aid.
As for PIE hiding - Read the news, Read Archbishops posts and look to your own kill and deathboards. If you wish to accuse me of being a coward that is your business, but to accuse PIE as a whole for such a thing is plain lunacy.
But I must congatulate you Jasmine. For the first time in a very long time you've actually managed to put up an argument without simply smacking your ear off. I hope this is the beginning of a new style.
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Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.04.09 12:17:00 -
[336]
Originally by: Sakura Nihil
Indeed, I had fun pinning her down while the rest of their forces ran from us in fear of their lives .
Oh, we can repeat last nights performance any time: Go in with a mostly T1 fleet of equal size, beat the SF HAC fleet into pulp and recover to leave you to your idling in Amarr again. The Amarr forces held the field while you huddled up in the Emperor station rubbing your sore bums.
Your killboard tells the real story of the night: you lost the engagement, and no amount of spinning will change that. And we did it all without ever undocking our horde of T1 cruisers!
Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
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Octavinus Augustus
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.09 12:44:00 -
[337]
Edited by: Octavinus Augustus on 09/04/2007 12:40:45
Originally by: Tharrn And we did it all without ever undocking our horde of T1 cruisers!
Tharrn, be nice. It was a legion, not a horde 
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 12:45:00 -
[338]
Originally by: Tharrn Oh, we can repeat last nights performance any time:
See you again tonight. If thats what you call a "victory" this is going to be a hilarious war.
Star Fraction is recruiting
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Davlos
Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.04.09 12:48:00 -
[339]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Davlos I hope that you, Madam Constantine, realize that War Diaries and combat recordings are spin as well. I'm quite satisfied enough with crunching the numbers.
Thank you however for the consideration of informing me of the upcoming features. It's far more entertaining than the GalFed reality holovids that I've been watching to amuse myself with.
I think you know where you can find the raw data if you want an upcoming preview Davlos, its not a difficult search.
Been doing so for about a week. Some ship fittings gave me a chuckle or two - no names mentioned. ---------------
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Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.04.09 13:08:00 -
[340]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
See you again tonight. If thats what you call a "victory" this is going to be a hilarious war.
It *is* already a hillarious war you will win on neither the IGS nor in space. And we come and go as we please, not as you please, if you haven't noticed yet. So savour your dellusions of 'winning' while they last.
Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
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Atandros
Gallente Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn Oh, we can repeat last nights performance any time: Go in with a mostly T1 fleet of equal size, beat the SF HAC fleet into pulp and recover to leave you to your idling in Amarr again. The Amarr forces held the field while you huddled up in the Emperor station rubbing your sore bums.
Your killboard tells the real story of the night: you lost the engagement, and no amount of spinning will change that. And we did it all without ever undocking our horde of T1 cruisers!
And you accuse us of spin?
You went in with a battleship-heavy fleet that outnumbered our T2 cruiser- and T2 frigate-heavy force, took a total of 8 battleship losses, 1 inty loss and a handful of pod losses for the kills you got on us, and held the field for a few minutes at most before an SF battleship fleet undocked and proceeded to chase you some half a dozen jumps out of Amarr, blowing up Lallara's and Gaven's battleships in the process.
All the forces involved and losses taken are a matter of public record, viewable on our killboard.
And, finally, the declaration of economic victory implicit in your crowing about "beating the SF HAC fleet into a pulp" is a bit hollow if you remember that SF builds all of the T2 ship types and many of the T2 module types lost in that engagement for its members at construction price.
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Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.04.09 13:27:00 -
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Ah, better don't get into an economic debatte like that. It makes you look as stupid as people who claim 'minerals I mine myself are free minerals'.
Our fleet held the field and recovered - look up the term if you are unfamiliar with it.
Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 13:34:00 -
[343]
Originally by: Tharrn Ah, better don't get into an economic debatte like that. It makes you look as stupid as people who claim 'minerals I mine myself are free minerals'.
Our fleet held the field and recovered - look up the term if you are unfamiliar with it.
Suffice to say the truth of the engagement will be told in the war diary. And if you don't like what is going to be written there I would advise you to get writing and prepare your own.
Star Fraction is recruiting
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Octavinus Augustus
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.09 13:40:00 -
[344]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Suffice to say the truth of the engagement will be told in the war diary. And if you don't like what is going to be written there I would advise you to get writing and prepare your own.
I can understand how you must believe this.
After all, Star Fraction pilots are known for their ability to present an unbiased assesment of a given situation.
Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished. |

Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.09 13:44:00 -
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Quote: Suffice to say the truth of the engagement will be told in the war diary. And if you don't like what is going to be written there I would advise you to get writing and prepare your own.
How's that brothel war objective coming along?
Archbishop
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 13:47:00 -
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I would have thought you nationalists knew by now we weren't writing for your benefit. What you think means precisely nothing.
Star Fraction is recruiting
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Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.04.09 13:58:00 -
[347]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Suffice to say the truth of the engagement will be told in the war diary. And if you don't like what is going to be written there I would advise you to get writing and prepare your own.
'The truth' an SF propganda material don't mix well - the rule of thumb seems to be that 50% truth is the highest you'll ever reach. Thus I am waiting for a good laugh with baited breath.
Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
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Atandros
Gallente Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn Ah, better don't get into an economic debatte like that. It makes you look as stupid as people who claim 'minerals I mine myself are free minerals'.
Actually, making the statement above is quite stupid, because applying your example as an analogy for the situation at hand rests on assumptions pulled out of thin air. No-one is claiming we didn't forsake the ISK we could have made by selling those wares on the market, but the value of that profit is a far lesser value than deploying the ships and modules in combat is since they make up a minuscule portion of our factories' output.
Matters of economics aside, we hope that the golden fleet has been suitably reinvigorated by what they consider their victory of yesterday, and will make attempts to score further victories against us in that vein. We welcome this with open arms.
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Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.09 15:30:00 -
[349]
Nothing much has changed, I see... ----------------------------------------------
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Razor Jaxx
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 23:53:00 -
[350]
Originally by: Archbishop
Quote: Suffice to say the truth of the engagement will be told in the war diary. And if you don't like what is going to be written there I would advise you to get writing and prepare your own.
How's that brothel war objective coming along?
Archbishop
You insist on calling my personal pet project a war objective, I see.
I assure you that you need not use false pretenses to inquire about our services, however. We assure utmost discretion to our clients of all creeds and races, be they freedom fighters from the outskirts of Molden Heath or senile servants of the church of Amarr.
But to answer your initial inquiry, profits have been noticeably on the rise ever since we secured the employment of a 'Domina Augustus' - by her own account the younger sibling of a proeminent praetorian. Who, however, is anybody's guess, as the fair young lady steadfastly refuses to divulge any further information.
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Sable Schroedinger
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.11 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn Ah, better don't get into an economic debatte like that. It makes you look as stupid as people who claim 'minerals I mine myself are free minerals'.
Our fleet held the field and recovered - look up the term if you are unfamiliar with it.
Oh please, lets get into this discussion. I want to hear you make a fool of yourself throwing around those magic words you don't really understand and only picked up in a discussion with someone that sounded like they knew what they were talking about down the pub, like "opportunity cost".
Suffice to say, it'll be entertaining to hear you make a fool of yourself yet again --------------------------------------------
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Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.04.11 12:01:00 -
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We have both said our share and I'll leave it to the esteemed reader to make up his mind about who is the fool himself - in contrast to the Hypocrite Fiction I don't have to hammer home my 'arguments' by having them repeated all over by fellow alliance members.
Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
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Sable Schroedinger
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.11 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn We have both said our share and I'll leave it to the esteemed reader to make up his mind about who is the fool himself - in contrast to the Hypocrite Fiction I don't have to hammer home my 'arguments' by having them repeated all over by fellow alliance members.
No guts as a pilot.
No guts as an armchair economist  --------------------------------------------
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.11 12:49:00 -
[354]
Originally by: Sable Schroedinger
Originally by: Tharrn We have both said our share and I'll leave it to the esteemed reader to make up his mind about who is the fool himself - in contrast to the Hypocrite Fiction I don't have to hammer home my 'arguments' by having them repeated all over by fellow alliance members.
No guts as a pilot.
No guts as an armchair economist 
You don't have guts. You have a bile duct.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Kallanagh Tellen
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.04.11 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sable Schroedinger
Originally by: Tharrn We have both said our share and I'll leave it to the esteemed reader to make up his mind about who is the fool himself - in contrast to the Hypocrite Fiction I don't have to hammer home my 'arguments' by having them repeated all over by fellow alliance members.
No guts as a pilot.
No guts as an armchair economist 
Cheap words, perhaps they are a reflection of your own skill in the face of those with considerably more experience.
It is no matter, whatever words are said we shall see what happens on the field. I am intrigued as to what the true damage is of this conflict, whether there is any true gain or whether indeed this is simply a war of publicity. What exactly has been achieved?
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Sable Schroedinger
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.11 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake You don't have guts. You have a bile duct.
Yeah?!!!
I skipped biology for economics... Well, at least I learnt something out of this war  --------------------------------------------
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Octavinus Augustus
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.11 13:04:00 -
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Mr Sable, I remember a time only a few days ago when you were able to present a logical argument to your case - I respect you for that ability.
By now however, you are sliding dangerously into the usual SF habit of posting simply unfounded smack.
I would suggest that you model your postings more along the lines of Mr Cosmopolite. At least he does command quite a lot of respect for his ability and willingness to argue his views (such as they are) using logic and reason.
The words of a respected adversary does weigh a lot heavier than the words of a simple smackartist.
If you wish for a serious debate regarding the economics behind this war, the value of loss statistics or any other topic really, I'd suggest you do as Mr Cosmopolite:
Originally by: The Cosmopolite Discussion of the figures on that basis is to be expected and quite welcome.
If you are content to degrade any discussion to a competition of who can produce the more pointless smack, then by all means continue down the slide you are on.
I'm certain that the perseverance of certain SF pilots makes your alliance the favourite in such contests - with or without your involvement. So the question is simply this: What standard will you set for yourself?
Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished. |

Sable Schroedinger
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.11 13:08:00 -
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In all honesty, it all depends on the mood you catch me in... what I've taken recently... that sort of thing.
I have noticed a disturbing trend showing that my mood can be effected by the tone I'm addressed in. Sad that really.
Soooo economics. Who's in? --------------------------------------------
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Heero Yuy
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.11 13:26:00 -
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Where is the point in presenting logic and reason to people who themselves have no care for either? From the very inception of this conflict you have done your best to twist and subvert the simple facts - those being that you have shown no skill, no honour and no courage. Your best so far is a lucky draw; the entire remainder consists of running, docking and being swiftly and decisively annihilated singly or in groups due to your own disorganisation and because you do not dare to stand and fight.
All you can muster in opposition is a small brigade of semi-accomplished liars on these forums. And you talk about standards?
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.11 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Heero Yuy Where is the point in presenting logic and reason to people who themselves have no care for either? From the very inception of this conflict you have done your best to twist and subvert the simple facts - those being that you have shown no skill, no honour and no courage. Your best so far is a lucky draw; the entire remainder consists of running, docking and being swiftly and decisively annihilated singly or in groups due to your own disorganisation and because you do not dare to stand and fight.
All you can muster in opposition is a small brigade of semi-accomplished liars on these forums. And you talk about standards?
If what you're saying is true, PIE will be dead within two weeks.
I shall remind you of your words in a fortnight.
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